Why did disney shelve most of his sequel trilogy ideas? Sounded like his trilogy like it had potential.
But 1-6 tells a complete story and he won as a result so I guess it not a huge loss for hi.
Why did disney shelve most of his sequel trilogy ideas? Sounded like his trilogy like it had potential.
Disney wanted to appeal to people who hate Star Wars, hate the Prequels and hate George Lucas
It worked initially, TFA and Rogue One were huge hits. Then fans hated TLJ because the movie took inspiration from the prequels.
Fans hated TLJ not only because it took inspiration from the prequels but because it wasn't a fast paced flick and instead more of a character drama.
Fans hated All of Disney nu wars because fans buys the merchandise. Disney nu-wars merchandise was a failure from the beginning.
The fans were filtered by the movie because Star Wars fans are largely plebs.
>filtered
Nah, the fans, many of whom are Middle aged straight men, you know the people spending BILLIONS on the merchandise until Disney took over, saw this putrid vomit series care of Disney for what it was, a train crash in slow motion. And they've been vindicated: Disney has failed and no one cares about their pale imitation of star wars.
>morons who love marvel movies
I said Star Wars, you mong! When did I say marvel shit? I don't read western puke comics. Manga, Manhua and Manwha!
Do I have to dig up comments of Star Wars fans complaining Star Wars wasn't as epic as Infinity War and Endgame? Both are putrid shit.
What the FUK are you on about? I never said anything about marvel cinematic dog shit!
Box Office hits sure, overall however they were failures. As lazily told as the prequels were their merchandise made billions. TFA bankrupted Toys R Us.
His idea was to have luke be a hermit and have a girl come to his island and that movie triggered the entire fanbase. Star Wars fans are gay.
Did he also come up with the bit about Luke cutting himself off from the force because he tried to kill his nephew or Rey being automatically good and having no real need for training? Because I seriously fricking doubt it.
>he tried to kill his nephew
This literally didn't happen in the movie why do people keep posting it?
NTA but Luke considered it, and hesitated. Which is moronic because he literally believed in the good of Vader, who killed his mentor, his adopted parents, and tons of people.
>Which is moronic because he literally believed in the good of Vader, who killed his mentor, his adopted parents, and tons of people
Trying to redeem someone else is far easier than coming to terms with your own failure. Ben was Luke’s failure.
Going into the dude's room when he's sleeping armed with an ignited lightsaber is what escalated everything and was the point of no return. That was the failure. The entire backstory of why Kylo hates Luke is pure contrivance and it shows.
>Going into the dude's room when he's sleeping armed with an ignited lightsaber
He didn’t walk into Ben’s room with an ignited lightsaber.
Oh, so this scene must be doctored, fake, and simply not in the movie that everyone saw.
first one has no lightsaber, second one shows his the glow as he ignites it, as its from driver's perspective and he doesn't wake up until he hears it ignite, third scene starts with unignited saber in hand then cuts to ignited. all three scenes are in the movie because rian thought he had a rashamon moment there. Black person.
>but Luke considered it, and hesitated. Which is moronic because he literally believed in the good of Vader
I never understand this particular complaint. Luke got very close to killing Vader too after he threatened Leia, but he stopped himself. THAT is the mark of a good person. This weird puritan idea that a Good™ person can only have Good™ thoughts is stupid and doesn't resemble the original trilogies at all.
If you look at what actually happened in the movie
>He would bring destruction, and pain, and death... and the end of everything I love because of what he will become. And for the briefest moment of pure instinct...I thought I could stop it. It passed like a fleeting shadow. And I was left with shame... and with consequence. And the last thing I saw... were the eyes of a frightened boy whose master had failed him.
The fact that Luke, a wizard who can see the future, saw what Ben would become (remember this is the person who went on to kill Han and I believe Leia) and still couldn't go through with it, precisely because it's NOT in his character to do so, is a far greater testiment to his moral fibre than audiences gave him credit for.
>murdered children, committed genocide, willing to kill his son if needed
there's good in him! i can feel it!
>has a bad dream
DIE MOTHERFRICKER
>doesn't read the post or explain their opinion, just spams copy pasted twitter memes
every time
There is no excusing the disparity between the two positions. Detailing it that way utterly demolishes any attempt to defend it.
>Detailing it that way
You mean by lying?
>has a bad dream
This literally requires you to pretend that the Force has no foresight ability, because if you acknowledge that Luke wasn't just acting off a whim then your outrage falls apart
its been pretty well established that force foresight is pretty whimsical.
No, walking into a room with a loaded gun, wienered, ready to fire pointed at a sleeping b... uh... middle aged man, is quite a bit different than just walking into a room with a gun.
When Luke was a young man, he considered killing Vader and hesitated. Decades later, after becoming a wise wizard who taught an entire new generation of Jedi, helped countless people, and potentially defeated countless evil beings, he contemplates killing his nephew. To the point of bringing an ignited weapon to kill him in his sleep. Again, this is AFTER all he has been through, and he should know, more than anyone, that mercy can be the greatest savior in the world. How can a man, who spared his own genocidal father who IS partially or directly responsible for the following deaths: Obi Wan, Luke's adopted parents, and tons of other civilians and Jedi - how can this same man contemplate killing his own nephew who hasn't even committed a single crime yet? If Luke is such a wise and great wizard, did he not consider that potentially trying to kill Kylo would be the trigger that causes all the bloodshed he saw? No, of course not. Again, the whole Luke-Kylo friction is lazy writing and pure contrivance.
You are such a pedantic homosexual, I knew you would split hairs over it. Go frick yourself you dysgenic loser. At least I'm getting paid to waste my time talking to a child like you who's parents are brother and sister.
>he doesn't walk in there with an ignited saber
>YES HE DOES LOOK AT SCENES
>none of them show him walking in with an ignited saber
>I FRICKING KNEW YOU WOULD SPLIT HAIRS
or you're just wrong.
Your inbred brain cannot comprehend what's being said. You can only greentext in memes because you are unable to articulate your point.
>say something wrong
>get called on it
>double down with video evidence that proves you're wrong
>get called on it
>Y-YOU'RE BRAIN IS moronic!!
why are you like this? The biggest problem with the sequence is literally just
.
Because whether or not he actually ignited the lightsaber before he entered the room is irrelevant and you're too moronic to realize that.
>irrelevant
Literally the difference between a brief moment of poor judgement and Luke acting on premeditated murder. It's literally the most important distinction there is
LOL try walking into a bank with a gun guys. Just tell them you had a moment of poor judgement. I'm sure they'll reply with "Oh, good thing you didn't walk in here already pointing it at one of the tellers. That would make a huge difference. Be on your way. And hey - catch kid. Take this bundle of cash with you for the trouble."
A lot of states allow open carry and if you have a concealed carry permit there's no problem. its only when you pull the gun does criminal theater begin.
But hey, you seem brown.
A damn shame about your reading comprehension. Not the first time it happened in this thread.
As the site (and internet as a whole) continues to brown, this will unfortunately become more common. Nearly every thread you click on now you will find a 100 post argument that is founded in one anon being straight up incapable of understanding simple words or turns of phrase. Its impossible to discuss ideas here because you need to express those ideas in a language that most of the readers can hardly understand now.
Unfortunately prequeljeets are like wienerroaches, you kill one and ten more take his place, each one dumber than the last.
>has no understanding of US law (the only set that matters)
>cries about reading comprehension
lmao
You're too moronic to realize the entire movie gives Luke more meat to chew than anything in the originals
>Decades later, after becoming a wise wizard who taught an entire new generation of Jedi
So you're exactly what I just described, you genuinely believe Luke ended RotJ as a flawless being who can never make a mistake again.
First of all, nowhere did I say that I believe he is a perfect being who can make no mistake. Save your projections and assumptions for the ignited lightsaber guy. Secondly, that is a fricking stupid "mistake" to make, considering all he has been through. The mistake being... killing your nephew as he sleeps in cold blood.
>The mistake being... killing your nephew
Which didn't happen. Notice how I quoted the scene in question to make my point and you're STILL lying about what happened in the movie despite the scene being posted in this very thread
Actually, you can make the argument that everything Luke did led to Kylo being killed. Bravo Rian. Beautiful writing indeed.
>So you're exactly what I just described, you genuinely believe Luke ended RotJ as a flawless being who can never make a mistake again.
I fricking hate every single Star Wars fan that has this childish mindset. Holy frick what a boring piece of shit mind you have to have to think Luke just stagnates.
>When Luke was a young man, he considered killing Vader and hesitated. Decades later, after becoming a wise wizard who taught an entire new generation of Jedi, helped countless people, and potentially defeated countless evil beings, he contemplates killing his nephew. To the point of bringing an ignited weapon to kill him in his sleep. Again, this is AFTER all he has been through, and he should know, more than anyone, that mercy can be the greatest savior in the world. How can a man, who spared his own genocidal father who IS partially or directly responsible for the following deaths: Obi Wan, Luke's adopted parents, and tons of other civilians and Jedi - how can this same man contemplate killing his own nephew who hasn't even committed a single crime yet? If Luke is such a wise and great wizard, did he not consider that potentially trying to kill Kylo would be the trigger that causes all the bloodshed he saw? No, of course not. Again, the whole Luke-Kylo friction is lazy writing and pure contrivance.
This is the same shit Prequel critics do where they refuse to engage with the movie in front of them and instead manufacture a movie in their head and judge the real movie based on how closely it aligns with what they wanted
It's fricking stupid and needs to die
Don't worry anon, this thread is completely nonsensical. No one defending the film ITT is actually trying to engage with the film at all and they'll just nitpick your posts when you try to have a dialogue with them. This is 100% a bait thread.
>No one defending the film ITT is actually trying to engage with the film at all
I literally quoted the movie when I defended it (or defended that specific scene, I didn't like the movie overall)
Star Wars fans are moronic homosexuals, the reception to the prequels ruining star wars was stupid and it was doubly stupid with the sequels because they had objectively better acting and cinematography and the dialogue was better.
>sequels because they had objectively better acting and cinematography and the dialogue was better.
This isn't even slightly true moron
The Abrams movies are completely indefensible. And I wasn't even a big fan of TLJ, but some of the mainstream criticisms it picked up were completely moronic
Stop anon, the acting in all the sequel movies makes the prequel acting look dogshit (not that this was hard).
>why is Luke human wah wah he's supposed to be CLEAN CUT in the 8th star wars movie
You have no idea what good drama is
>Switching on the lightsaber in front of your sleeping nephew.
Bravo, Rian!
Luke almost killing Ben but not is more interesting than anything Star Wars related since 1980
Disney made the prequels retroactively better with Jar Jar Binks and midichlorians.
Jar Jar binks is awful and the midichlorians were always fine
>he tried to kill his nephew
He didn’t try to kill Ben
>needing no training
she's on the island with luke longer than luke trains with yoda, follow the movie
I didn't realize the movies occur non-linearly.
>did he come up with this kino
Obviously not it's why Lucas isn't making movies anymore
Falls off Luke's temple wassupposed to happen ON screen, rhyming with Order 66 and having enough depth to justify Luke's exile.
And not!Ray was supposed to be his student from the start, so all she knows she knows from Luke and has to remind him what he tought her, not bring external wisdome she shouldn't have
2 reasons
1) his ideas were more on the force itself/potentially more midichlorian shit
2) those homosexuals at RLM poisoned the well on the PTs being the worst things in history that raped your babies, etc that disney overcorrected and brought in the safest most bland hack in JJ that scrammed them
Cmon everyone knows this already. His third trilogy would be some honey I shrunk the kids type movie. Microscopic people who create the force or some shit. His ideas sound absolutely crazy
His ideas were worse than Disney
>Darth Maul returns as a cyborg but he has a daughter
Cyborg maul > snoke+kylo+abused sheev corpse
Cringe but expected from a prequelgay
>His ideas were worse than Disney
Wouldn't surprise me.
too reasons
too hopeful, too positive and too soulful
>Why did disney shelve most of his sequel trilogy ideas?
they have seen the prequels
His ideas were really bad, and as shitty as the sequels were, they would have been even worse.
Cause the whills are fricking moronic
>Why did disney shelve most of his sequel trilogy ideas?
Because they were terrible
>Sounded like his trilogy like it had potential.
No not really
>But 1-6 tells a complete story and he won as a result so I guess it not a huge loss for hi.
Who's hi?
Lucas has a lot of moronic ideas. Thats why the prequels are so moronic.
The vast majority of the things from The Clone Wars that people blame on Filoni were coming from George, like a character literally named "Savage Oppress". Not defending Filoni, the insistence on shoving Ahsoka into everything is played out and gay, but George deserves a lot of shit.
Can't believe people are still defending TLJ kek. What do you gain from it at this point? You just make yourself look moronic
>You just make yourself look moronic
That is the gain. These are people so starved for attention that getting someone to call them moronic on 4trans is euphoric. Its the only time anyone acknowledges they're alive.
Exactly. Its just a bunch of bored anons doing this for laughs. Some probably don't talk to anyone for days at a time, so getting called a moron (rightly so) for defending these movies is gives them that slight hit of dopamine.
The Last Jedi is the most interesting and thoughtfully made Star Wars movie.
No, it was just bad.
With heavy editing and oversight, there was something there, but the film as released is catastrophic .
the film looks like a fricking masterpiece compared to most star wars movies
Yeah, if you sniffed glue as a child maybe.
Those are the homosexuals who claim the prequels are a masterpiece (might include you). It makes all other Star Wars movies look like they are as deep as a .0002mm puddle.
Damn Timmy, you gotta put down that glue. Its going to seriously impede your prefrontal cortex development
It's not even a fair fight either. Episode 8 genuinely mogs the other movies made since 1977 to hell and back.
Damn, looks like its too late. Inoperable
Just the acting by itself makes 1-6 look shit.
you're still replying? talk about booty blasted
Daisy Ridley by herself disproves this lol
Her acting was way better than Carrie and Natalie and I fancy both of them
>try to murder sleeping child
>its just a mistake
You people are so dumb it honestly blows my mind.
>>try to murder sleeping child
When did this happen?
No, no, no! Anon! Don't you see?! Because he didn't ignite his lightsaber BEFORE going into the room, that makes it all ok. This is good writing. This is good drama. This is very believable and not contrivance. Please understand.
>my space wizard is not a fricking plastic figure and had bad thoughts one time but didn't act on them and was shamed
Oh no the horror.
>try to murder sleeping child
>just bad thoughts bro
>didn't act on it
>drew a deadly weapon and was only stopped because the child was armed
Okay.
Oh no Luke thought of doing something bad and you are still fricking crying years later. Star Wars fans are pussies.
No, Star wars fans hates all of Disney nu-wars. All of it. Disney merchandise was dead from the beginning.
BUT DUDE IT DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN! DID YOU EVEN SEE THE MOV-
oh shit this guy beat me to it
>Luke draws his lightsaber in readiness as he attempts to pin down the incredibly powerful source of dark side energy he is sensing
>fricking morons watch it and go HE TRYING TO KILL LIL BENNY BOO BOO HE BAD MAN
This is why people hate Star Wars fans. They're just idiots.
No, the investors of Disney puke are the only idiots here. Disney has yet to make a profit off of Star Wars and yet they're producing more woke puke that'll bomb!
>Hmm, there's an incredible aura of darkness coming from that room that Ben sleeps in
>I better investigate with my lightsaber
>Strange, there's nothing in here but Ben... I better ignite my lightsaber just to be sure while angrily staring at him
>Wait! Ben no! It's not what it looks like!
The prequels don't exist and I will never watch them (again).
The sequels don't exist and I will never watch them (unfortunately I did watch TFA once).
Star Wars is a partisan issue now
You can't discuss the film because nobody watched it, they just form an opinion based on if its on their 'team' or not
>Star Wars makes an original movie with a director's vision behind it
>fans go fricking apeshit
>Star Wars makes a literal carbon copy of shit they saw in the original trilogy with no thought behind it beyond nostalgia baiting
>fans eat it up and beg for more
This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME without fail. You will never get me to take the opinions of Star Wars 'fans' seriously
I hated TFA. Back when it was released I thought that Disney purchasing Star Wars might have been a good thing since it would allow someone to get it out of Lucas's control. But oh boy was a wrong. What a fricking terrible movie. At that moment, after watching that film, I completely swore off Star Wars as a franchise and I've never watched another new Star Wars movie, TV show, or anything else, and I never will. Only the OT exists to me at this point. I don't care what else anyone does with it, I won't be interested.
>I thought that Disney purchasing Star Wars might have been a good thing since it would allow someone to get it out of Lucas's control
Then you're the problem and exactly why it happened
You literally got the movie you wanted, a bland investor friendly knock off of the OT
>Then you're the problem and exactly why it happened
Lol, Lucas had already destroyed Star Wars at that point. The possibility that it could somehow become worse was not seriously credible at that time. The franchise is honestly cursed or something.
>You literally got the movie you wanted
That is not what I got at all.
>a bland investor friendly knock off of the OT
Sharing a few surface similarities means nothing. Anyway, I knew it was over when they showed Kylo Ren's stupid ass lightsaber in the trailer. That film is more in line with the prequels than you think it is.
>Lol, Lucas had already destroyed Star Wars at that point.
Yes, you're the problem
I will call the prequels shitty movies because that's what they are. The fact that Lucas made movies that I like prior to that does not obligate me to defend things he made that are bad. It does not also mean that I have to like him as a person. Even if he had not made the prequels I would find him personally detestable due to the Special Editions. But he had three chances to make another good Star Wars movie, and I watched all of them and gave him the benefit of the doubt, and all I got out of it was a pile of shit.
>But I didn't like it so it must be repossessed and taken away from him
Who said that it needs to be repossessed? He showed himself to be incapable of doing anything good with the series anymore. I also don't think he's a responsible steward of "art" in any way, given his treatment of the original series with the Special Editions.
>It made money so it's good!
Prequels fans are fricking pathetic.
>given his treatment of the original series with the Special Editions.
>I will call the prequels shitty movies because that's what they are.
You're ticking all the boxes so well I can't tell if you're a real person or an AI boy just parodying a moronic Star Wars fanbaby
I'm not a Star Wars fan. I like the OT, particularly the original film, but I have no interested in the "franchise" anymore. If I hate the majority of content in the "franchise" then I would not say that I am a "fan" of it.
>also don't think he's a responsible steward of "art" in any way, given his treatment of the original series with the Special Editions.
He's not a responsible steward of art because he made changes to his own movie that he made and owned?
You're not doing proving me wrong in thinking you're fricking deranged
>He owned it so he can do whatever he wants with it neener neener
Indeed he can, and I can think he's a piece of shit for it. I don't owe him any respect.
>If you own the original of a classic painting and then decide to smear feces all over it, no one can complain and say that you are an irresponsible owner since it's your property
Prequelgay logic
>>If you own the original of a classic painting and then decide to smear feces all over it, no one can complain and say that you are an irresponsible owner since it's your property
If you MADE a classic painting then yes, you are literally moronic if you think the artist who made a piece of art doesn't have the right to change it however they want
And that would make him an irresponsible owner of the painting.
I take it you believe every directors cut of any movie is irresponsible too then, right? You're not just applying this bizarre standard to Lucas exclusively because some ecelebs told you to right?
It's a standard that absolutely should be applied to Lucas because he was previously a supporter of film preservation and spoke against the colorization of black and and white films.
>spoke against the colorization of black and and white films.
By people who were NOT the orignal creators you fricking imbecile
Are you pretending to not understand or do you really believe Lucas making changes to his own movie is a film preservation issue?
>do you really believe Lucas making changes to his own movie is a film preservation issue?
Of course it is, since part of his effort was to ensure that versions of the films without his changes stopped being commercially available.
So every director of every film has an obligation to sell versions of the unfinished movie that they don't like?
All to appease a few dozen manchildren?
>the OT trilogy were "unfinished movies"
It's hard to tell if you're serious anymore, but if you actually think then I have to wonder how someone as stupid as you can even figure out how to breathe.
>draw a picture of a stick man
>few days later decide to give him a hat
>a horde of screeching manbabies break down my door and beat me to death for destroying art
the special editions are the movies. cope and seethe, homosexual redditor
>By people who were NOT the orignal creators
You keep harping on this as if it matters. Disney owns Star Wars now and can mutilate the previous movies any way that they want. The fact that they didn't make them is irrelevant. It's their property and they can do whatever they want with it, and you have no say in it.
>destroyed Star wars
>the prequels merchandise made BILLIONS
>up until 2012 star wars merchandise made BILLIONS
>failure
>I thought that Disney purchasing Star Wars might have been a good thing since it would allow someone to get it out of Lucas's control
>Guy makes a piece of art
>But I didn't like it so it must be repossessed and taken away from him
What the frick is this mindset? Star Wars fans are mentally ill
Star Wars fans never supported that disgusting puke, TFA. Look at the merchandise sales. Normies supported the box office. Of which Disney saw less than half. Lucas' Prequels bread and butter was always the merchandise of which made BILLIONS!!!! Can you Disney shills say the same for your putrid puke nu-wars?
The sequels followed the rough outline of having a new generation of younger characters carrying on the original trilogy archetypes such as a young female Jedi training a new generation of students, characters like Luke dying, a younger Han Solo type character that was reused for the movie Solo, and finding the Death Star II wreckage underwater Disney changed a couple of the characters around added a Black stormtrooper, deleted the badass female Sith not to be confused with the other badass female Sith deleted from Episode I and didn't bother explaining the Whills that were behind the whole Midichlorian meme bringing the entire saga to some form of resolution because George was tired I mean really tired.
Because they wanted to recycle market-proven ideas instead of taking a risk on a new story.
George Lucas is one-of-a-kind and beyond talented. Part of that talent is having the balls to take the risks that corporate morons are too chickenshit to ever consider. That's why he created star wars successfully from the ground up (and ilm, and revolutionised digital filmmaking) while disney crashed the franchise into obscurity.
Should have listened to criticism.
Nope. We've seen where that takes you
>force awakens and rise of Skywalker
The prequels were shit and his sequels would have been just as shitty as the ones we got from Disney. Everything other than the original trilogy is non-canon fan fiction.
>prequels were shit
Merchandise still made BILLIONS!!!!
Try again!
So McDonalds is the best restaurant franchise right because they sell the most? Best food?
>bad movies are actually good if the merchandise makes a lot of money
the prequels were good
Try again Disney Shill, the prequel merchandise MADE BILLIONS! TFA bankrupted Toys R Us!
Stupid question and another pointless Starshit thread. They obviously just wanted to pander to OT nostalgia. A blind moron could see that. Next pointless question?
Because Lucas is interested in making films and Disney is interested in making adverts
Still would’ve been better than the sequel trilogy. Or an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy.
I’m curious what the results of this are
https://strawpoll.com/e6Z284N6EnN
Star Wars fans are predictable. Most will say OT and PT.
...and that makes it untrue somehow?
>what's good to eat?
>Steak
>Dog Shit
>durrrr deez dumb fans so predictable. most will say steak. I'm so smart hurrrr
>everything I don't like is dogshit
>le prequels are kino
Where's the OT, PT and TLJ?
it’s all or none per trilogy
The Rise of Skywalker is unironically a much better movie than Return of the Jedi
This could be true and I'll never find out because I'll never watch it
Bringing back Abrams for the third movie was the most moronic decision ever made by a film studio, followed immediately by hiring Abrams for the first movie
It was only because Iger forced the movie into production and I thought he did fine being rushed out his ass.
>no Only the PT
gay
if someone likes the PT but not the OT it should immediately alert the authorities for a school shooter
Where the “only the PT option”?
Prequelgays are embarrassing and the reason why I barely talk about Star Wars anymore
and yet you're still here spewing bad takes
Prequelgays never not gaygin
don't you have an eceleb friend simulator to suck off?
you know ecelebs didn't come up with any idea, ever, right? people hated the prequels when they came out. children didn't, but it'd be years before we'd have to listen to them.
Prequel merchandise made BILLIONS! Try again, Disney shill!
>But 1-6 tells a complete story
4-6 tell a complete story.
prequels are shit and don't even gel with the OT