That's a myth. There plenty of porn on Betamax, there was just less of it like there was less of everything on Beta. Beta died because the tapes were too small and the original model could only hold 1 hour worth of tape. VHS had 2 hours right from the very start and while both formats did some tweaking to extend the runtime, VHS tapes kept being longer than Betamax. That's it. The porn thing's mythology
Actually no. It's more to do with recording time. The original idea of both Beta and VHS was that you could now record shows and watch them later. The whole home theater thing (and porn) came later in the 80s. With Beta you initially could only record 1 hour, with VHS you could record 2 hours.
They figured out ways of stretching this out pretty quickly, so for instance later Betamax and VHS players could double their recording time using a different speed setting, just at the expense of halving the quality. So now Betamax tapes can be 2 hours long and VHS... can be 4 hours long. Hopefuly you can see the problem Beta faced. All because they wanted the tapes a little smaller
>DVD/Lasedisk
I don't think this was ever even an argument? There's a decade between the relevancy of the latter to the former. Some would argue the latter was never relevant at all.
Laserdisc was never a competitor to DVD. That format was adopted an onset so quickly that other digital disc formats are so obscure no one remembers them at all.
I don't think that had anything to do with it. Internet porn was already a thing. People just say this because of the vhs thing, but that doesn't make it true.
Internet porn was a thing but the rips were still coming from DVDs for a lot of scenes. Blu ray raised the quality further. Late 2000s was the era of porn parodies too and most were on disc only and were big sellers.
The parody genre was a response to the internet kneecapping non-story releases. Sex itself wasn't as much of a selling point anymore. You could find tonnes of that online, either pirated from DVDs or produced specifically for the web. By the time Blu-Ray launched, sites like Bang Bros and Brazzers existed.
Porn helping BD over HD-DVD is definitely a myth. Younger audiences were already moving to digital and the old timers? Well, looking at a porn retail site, there are still new DVD releases, but Blu-Ray's limited to hentai and vintage preservation nerd releases. The older guys never upgraded.
Incorrect and you're not even getting the scene right.
HD-DVD got the porn industry (initially) but Blu-Ray had the Playstation 3, and the PS3 ultimately won the format war for Blu-Ray. Also a contributing factor was Disney, who ended up choosing Blu-Ray because the discs were more child-proof than DVD or HD-DVD, and because they would not let their movies be processed through facilities that also made porn discs.
I have an HD DVD copy of 300 that my dad picked out of the trash for me years. I don't have an HD DVD player, but thankfully it's a two sided disc with the regular version, so I can watch it whenever i want.
Blu-ray sounds gay as frick like a name brand instead of a generic product. >compact disc >digital video disc >high definition digital video disc >BLU-RAY® disc
Blu-ray sounds gay as frick like a name brand instead of a generic product. >compact disc >digital video disc >high definition digital video disc >BLU-RAY® disc
Porn industry and the PS3 having it built in making a blu-ray player available for relatively cheap. For whatever reason the Xbox 360 supported HD-DVD but the player was a separate unit you had to buy. If the 360 had played HD-DVD native it would have stood a chance.
That's still less than how much PS2 sold on the first year despite market being bigger. Also PS2 launched with 299$ price tag on 2000. Just six years later PS3 launched with 599$ which is double what the previous console cost. It was considered very expensive at the time and it's one of the reasons why 360 got a better start.
All PS3 memes were FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS and Talledega Nights after announcement and launch. The PS3 itself pulled a Sega Saturn in terms of creating hardware that was difficult to develop for
The PS3 was 600 dollars with a Blu Ray player when standalone blu ray players were just as expensive if not more so. Just like the PS2 was a cheap DVD player, the PS3 was a "cheap" blu ray player.
>Porn industry and the PS3 having it built in making a blu-ray player available for relatively cheap.
The new Xbronx Brooklyn coming out next year will cost less than the PSTriple cost new 16 years ago.
In my personal tests back in the day I found HD-DVD did more with the smaller space it had in terms of picture quality but the audio was just slightly behind Blu. Blu was encoded sloppier because it had all that space but because it has ALL THAT SPACE, HD-DVD just couldn't compete with what Blu was capable of.
This. HD DVD just tried to cram more bits into a regular CD and produced errors I’m old existing drives while Bluray offered larger space and higher quality. BluRay can still handle 4K and DTS, Atmos, whatever. HD physically and technically cant.
Nta but if you actually spend time here while sat at a desktop, you are a fricking loser. Cinemaphile is something you should only do to pass time while taking a shit.
Its only advantage was that it didn't require pressing factories to retool but all of them could afford to
It advertised "look we can sandwich a regular DVD layer in the middle" and then BD said "so can we, big deal"
Technical benefits aside, it was harder to pronounce and the Xbox 360 didn't use an internal HD DVD drive. It didn't even launch with the eventual accessory drive available. PS3 gave Blu Ray a huge head start on adoption. Why spend FIVE NINETY NINE US DOLLARS on a single purpose HD DVD player when you can play RIDGE RACER on the new game console that also plays the other new video format.
Well blu ray was superior in a bunch of ways, what's more interesting is why it took so long to die off. (Allegedly) Microsoft kept pushing it as a viable alternative to blu ray for the sole purpose of confusing consumers long enough for streaming to take over and for home media formats to become obsolete. And... it worked! Blu ray never caught on the same way DVD or VHS did before it because Netflix became a thing.
And guess who blew the whistle on this when it was going on? Michael fricking Bay of all people. Pic related is what he had to say about it in 2007(!)
Also: goddammit. Michael Bay's old website doesn't seem to have been archived very well. He would actually turn up and respond to people there, like during the peak Michael Bay years
It's been a while since I looked into all this stuff but Netflix had an exclusivity deal with Microsoft for years where, as far as consoles went, it was only on Xbox 360. Obviously it's not 2009 anymore so that hasn't been true for years.
Weirdly netflix was on wiiu but it's still not on switch, I think to this day the only streaming on switch is crunchyroll of all things (I think there was also a funi one before sonys illegal monopolistic buyout of crunchyroll they rolled funi into) it's also got some thing for a comics subscription called inkeypen or something which released just before western comics started to really die more than the already dead they were and had to scramble to start adding manga
Netflix was on the original Wii as well but for some reason you had to actually insert a disc into your machine for it to work. It's been a while since I looked into this but from memory the disc is mostly useless it's just that having it "on a disc" meant that it didn't violate Microsoft's exclusivity deal (which was really just them trying to sabotage Sony, although before anyone thinks I'm a playstation fanboy - Sony does the same backhanded, corporate shit right back all the time.)
Netflix was great on the 360 for a while. They had a party mode thing where you could synchronize the video with your friends and voicechat. Even had your avatars in the foreground like MST3K.
It's not so impressive these days where you can just stream through discord or whatever, and only one person needs a subscription, but it was pretty innovative back then, and it all worked so smoothly.
>streaming >digital downloads
Zommie, slap yourself. Then ask your single mother to slap you and ask her what 2007 was like, it will be cloudy between the cheap vodka and Xanax, but she might be able to tell you what 2007 was like.
fricking insane how up until the late 2000's you'd get creators responding to things like this. Twitter isn't the same because it's built for inane bullshit.
It's funny how nobody seems to remember this like I do - The two formats were in active competition at retail for a little while, and then some agreements were made within the publisher industry to exclusively support Blu-Ray. It was announced in the news cycles and everything that this deal had been reached. That pretty much sealed the fate of HD-DVD.
It wasn't solely an organic thing based on end-user adoption, the industry itself flat out cut HD-DVD off one day and that was the end of it.
Many people here wasnt around when it was a thing. Honestly I was surprised the industry went with bluray since it has higher licensing fees. That was one of the sticking points with betamax, it was not JUST the porn industry.
No region restrictions. The industry still thought they'd be able to continue getting away with regional distribution, so refused to properly support HD-DVD.
>In mid-2009, Warner offered to replace any HD DVD Warner home video release with a Blu-ray Disc equivalent for $4.95, plus $6.95 shipping to the contiguous United States or $8.95 to Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico. The deal required the HD DVD's original sleeve art to be returned to Warner as proof of purchase
how the frick is the boxart a better proof of purchase than the art on the disc itself
HD DVD sounds like a Wii and Wii U situation where Americans can't rub two brain cells together
Besides, PS3 shipped with a bluray player inside, but Xbox 360 needed an external attachment. Microsoft REALLY dropped the ball considering Xbox 360 had a huge advantageous lead in that generation.
360 had a "huge advantageous lead in that generation" specifically because it came out a year earlier and didn't $599 U.S. dollars. Slap a HD-DVD drive on by default and that price advantage lessens.
Netflix was on the original Wii as well but for some reason you had to actually insert a disc into your machine for it to work. It's been a while since I looked into this but from memory the disc is mostly useless it's just that having it "on a disc" meant that it didn't violate Microsoft's exclusivity deal (which was really just them trying to sabotage Sony, although before anyone thinks I'm a playstation fanboy - Sony does the same backhanded, corporate shit right back all the time.)
There's a PS2 version of Netflix (only released in LATAM, IIRC) that shipped on a disc, too.
Because the PS3. Thats basically it. At the time the PS3 was the cheapest bluray player, and it came "free" (so to speak) with each PS3. Thats the big reason, and there are of course several smaller ones.
Personally HD-DVD was the superior format and I am still sad it didnt win. >hurrdurr less storage space
That would have been fixed over time just like bluray also increased in capacity over time.
DVD is a fricking meme
The trailera at the start of some of my later vcr tapes would have DVD ads where they show "vhs resolution" switch to dvd as if the footage I'm watching magically changed
They played "dvd quality" sound and compared images
Oh god I remember these. Does anyone remember the one where they play a low quality version of like some action scene where the camera's doing a full 360 movement (it looked like a Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer type movie from memory with that really saturated, orange LA look) and then the announcer says something like, "that was in VHS quality, now let's watch it again in DVD quality." And then they play the clip again just in good, crystal clear quality. Even as a kid I was like, "I'm watching both clips on a VHS tape you idiots."
I just tried looking for it on Youtube but I can't seem to find it.
>p
YEAH THAT'S IT! THANK YOU ANON. Yeah it was a dvd commercial with that scene except they just played it twice, once in crap quality and the 2nd time in good quality and made it out like "that's the power of dvd" or whatever. Ignoring the fact that it was a commercial on a vhs tape.
Ads for new TVs or media formats have always been unrealistic like that because there is no actual way to advertise the difference in picture quality to normies aside from getting them in the store to look at it in person. DVD was a major improvement over VHS, and for a time the extras that came on the disc were actually worthwhile. Sometimes they even recorded special intros and stuff for the DVD release.
As for Bluray it won mainly because of the PS3 included a Bluray drive. Xbox 360 had HD-DVD but only as a separate external drive which virtually nobody bought. Likewise, the PS2 played a big role in the adoption of DVD by including a DVD drive.
>and for a time the extras that came on the disc were actually worthwhile
The Spinal Tap commentary is so good it's worth tracking down the dvd for it. They do the whole thing in character and it's almost like an entire 2nd movie
>PS3 is a Blu-ray player first >games come in second
LOL. The "PS3 has no gaems" meme was true. At least until MGS4 came out.
Then the PS3 turned into the weeaboo console of the generation. The Wii was the baby console and the grandma console, the Xbox 360 was the typical gamer console, the PS3 was the weeaboo console.
DVD on the PS2 was less of a selling point than Bluray on PS3 because DVD had already been out for a while and wasn't as expensive. Plus the Xbox also had a DVD drive.
BUT because the PS2 was so successful, it put DVD players in a gorillion homes that might not have gone out of their way to buy a DVD player otherwise.
The transition from VHS to DVD was inevitable and already ongoing, but the PS2 definitely accelerated it.
Normalgays didn't care/know about the difference. >already owns most of their media on DVD >HD DVDs come out >"but I already have this movie on DVD, the HD can't be that much different" >doesn't buy it >Blurays come out >"oooh what's this? It has a different name from DVD, I MUST buy it!"
I bet that if they didn't have "DVD" in it's name it could have been more successful. Also, marketing.
I worked in gamestop when the HD-DVD addon was released for the 360 and the PS3 was released. Mostly people didnt really care about either format, but right from the start there was hardly any interest in HD-DVD. Its been a good couple of years but as I remember people expected it to be somewhat backwards compatible. Like if you placed it in a regular dvd player it would play the same and if you used an HD player it would be higher quality. Many people didnt like it was not compatible. It was an easier sell with bluray "its a totally new format, you know, like back in the days with VHS and Betamax" and everyone would go "oh ok", and that was that.
Sony paid studios to back Blu-ray and Sony fricked over Panasonic/Philips/LG by making the PS3 the cheapest Blu-ray player available that also had firmware update and Internet connectivity features, plus had larger storage capacity.
the movie studios backed blu-ray bc they thought that the format was harder to pirate. as soon as hd-dvd folded, the pirates cracked blu-ray encryption.
The PS3.
The PS3 also proved that Blu-ray was better for storing games than DVDs.
Lost Odyssey was three DVDs, when it could easily fit on one Blu-ray.
Final Fantasy XIII was split into three DVDs on Xbox 360, and had much worse quality FMVs, audio and graphics than the PS3 version which was on one disc.
Metal Gear Solid 4 would be impractical on Xbox 360. It would have been three discs at minimum there.
>The PS3 also proved that Blu-ray was better for storing games than DVDs. >Lost Odyssey was three DVDs, when it could easily fit on one Blu-ray. >Final Fantasy XIII was split into three DVDs on Xbox 360, and had much worse quality FMVs, audio and graphics than the PS3 version which was on one disc.
Although to be fair it was one of the main reasons why blu ray succeeded over HD DVD
Some enthusiasts actually did buy it just for the bluray drive because at the time it was like the cheapest way to get a Bluray player. Even at the high price of five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars the PS3 was still being sold at a loss in order to bait people into their software ecosystem where the real money is made.
Of course for most it was not the primary reason for purchase, but it was a major incentive to choose a PS3 over the 360.
Samsung launched the first commercial BD player at ~$1000 US in June 2006. Sony shipped the PS3 at $599 that November. Sony used the price of the console as a loss leader. They were willing to lose money on the hardware in hopes of making money off of games, peripherals and other accessories. That was a strategy they already used for the original PlayStation and PS2. Sony Electronics was a very big player in the development of Blu-Ray as a format, so they had a vested interest in making sure it gained adoption as they'd collect royalties from movie releases, too. Other BD manufacturers didn't have that going for them, so they couldn't compete so fiercely on price.
Porn didn't side with Blu-ray. The BDA actively discouraged adult studios from releasing titles by making the format's licensing a long process. HD DVD was always much more open to all content distributors. In the early days there were more porn on HD DVD than BD. Didn't matter though since it didn't move the needle for either.
"HD DVD" makes you think of the DVD. Your brain goes "oh, it's just a DVD with a better picture," and as such your brain deduces that you can watch it on your DVD player. But you can't. And they want you tell you that RIGHT UP FRONT, making sure your dumb ass doesn't buy it and try to play it in your DVD player because Walmart won't take the return if you opened it.
So you're at the display and your brain is taking in seemingly conflicting information and you think for a moment "well, alright, I'll just get the DVD version then." Because spending $19 on a movie is better than spending $30 on a mocie AND $70~ $120, just doesn't track.
Honestly if they'd elwanted a smooth transition, they should have first released the HD-DVD players, with backwards compatibility, and just not made a thing about it. Put those out for maybe three years, stop making stand-alone DVD players, always put the two together. Then when 50% of the population had already had the, ready-to-us new player, the switch would have been easier.
"Blue Ray" sounds different so your squishy brain understands that it isn't the same thing more readily.
If the Xbox 360 came with a pre-installed HD DVD player instead of an external device it might have worked out, the PS3 having a blu ray player already installed helped it significantly.
I was in favor of hddvd in principle, being a consortium rather than Sonys new thing.
The race lasted longer than it should have in the end, mostly due to supply issues with the new laser for the Blu-ray. PS3 would've sold quite a bit more that year of not for that.
Blu-rays usually suck ass and aren't worth the money because often times they use inferior masters, so you can have a great camera and tale a picture of a hunk of dogshit, but it's still going to look like dogshit. Then you have the literally blue-ening of movies for what reason I can't fathom, and finally you have abominations like "The Terminator" Blu-ray that edited out the original soundtracks and substituted one with gay sounding guns.
So with all that in mind, I'll stick to DVDs, Laserdiscs, VHS;et al before get desperate and pop in Boo Gays.
>Warner Bros. officially announced Total Hi Def (THD or Total HD) at CES 2007. THD hybrid discs were to support both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc, with HD DVD on one side (up to two layers) and Blu-ray Disc on the other side (up to two layers). In November 2007, Warner Bros. cancelled THD's development.[78]
Microsoft tried to postpone the inevitable, but when Warner Bros. decided to ditch HDdvd and go with only Blu-ray, the format war was officially over.
The back catalog of classic films from WB, guaranteed that any movie fan would have a Blu-ray player.
The only advantage HDDVD had over Blu-ray was HDVD format had internet connectivity from day one, Blu-ray had to get a patch to firmware 1.2 I believe, cant really remember
tropic thunder told me its because porn used blu-ray
It's true, in the days of physical media, the format the porn industry chose as standard won, same goes for VHS/Betamax and DVD/Lasedisk.
That's a myth. There plenty of porn on Betamax, there was just less of it like there was less of everything on Beta. Beta died because the tapes were too small and the original model could only hold 1 hour worth of tape. VHS had 2 hours right from the very start and while both formats did some tweaking to extend the runtime, VHS tapes kept being longer than Betamax. That's it. The porn thing's mythology
and people were more willing to pay $30 for two hours of porn than for 1 hour of porn.
Actually no. It's more to do with recording time. The original idea of both Beta and VHS was that you could now record shows and watch them later. The whole home theater thing (and porn) came later in the 80s. With Beta you initially could only record 1 hour, with VHS you could record 2 hours.
They figured out ways of stretching this out pretty quickly, so for instance later Betamax and VHS players could double their recording time using a different speed setting, just at the expense of halving the quality. So now Betamax tapes can be 2 hours long and VHS... can be 4 hours long. Hopefuly you can see the problem Beta faced. All because they wanted the tapes a little smaller
>muh porn myth parroting
morons never die
Porn helped, but Blue ray won more so because it had Sony's backing, it had more advantages than HDDVD in terms of tech.
This
Porn was a non factor
HD porn was already moving online, BuRay was too late
>DVD/Lasedisk
I don't think this was ever even an argument? There's a decade between the relevancy of the latter to the former. Some would argue the latter was never relevant at all.
Laserdisc was never a competitor to DVD. That format was adopted an onset so quickly that other digital disc formats are so obscure no one remembers them at all.
I don't think that had anything to do with it. Internet porn was already a thing. People just say this because of the vhs thing, but that doesn't make it true.
Internet porn was a thing but the rips were still coming from DVDs for a lot of scenes. Blu ray raised the quality further. Late 2000s was the era of porn parodies too and most were on disc only and were big sellers.
Nah, the porn thing's always been a bit of a myth. Even the VHS/Betamax thing's a myth
The parody genre was a response to the internet kneecapping non-story releases. Sex itself wasn't as much of a selling point anymore. You could find tonnes of that online, either pirated from DVDs or produced specifically for the web. By the time Blu-Ray launched, sites like Bang Bros and Brazzers existed.
Porn helping BD over HD-DVD is definitely a myth. Younger audiences were already moving to digital and the old timers? Well, looking at a porn retail site, there are still new DVD releases, but Blu-Ray's limited to hentai and vintage preservation nerd releases. The older guys never upgraded.
Incorrect and you're not even getting the scene right.
HD-DVD got the porn industry (initially) but Blu-Ray had the Playstation 3, and the PS3 ultimately won the format war for Blu-Ray. Also a contributing factor was Disney, who ended up choosing Blu-Ray because the discs were more child-proof than DVD or HD-DVD, and because they would not let their movies be processed through facilities that also made porn discs.
Not enough repeating letters
For me, it's HHDDVVDDBVD
for your mom its hd bbc
for me it's doovde
I have an HD DVD copy of 300 that my dad picked out of the trash for me years. I don't have an HD DVD player, but thankfully it's a two sided disc with the regular version, so I can watch it whenever i want.
Bluray sounded cooler. And it was blue. HDDVD sounds like a disease, and it feels like version 1.5, while Bluray feels like version 2.0.
>sounded cooler
Speaking of which, what dumbfrick decided that ED was a good two letter combination to sell 480p?
Blu-ray sounds gay as frick like a name brand instead of a generic product.
>compact disc
>digital video disc
>high definition digital video disc
>BLU-RAY® disc
You're telling me it's not a brand name?
bullshit
this if anything
Because BluRay had dts-hd ma which was the exact same thing and quality as pcm but half the size.
>why did it fail
PS3, people thought moar bits is better
HDDVD should have won
HDDVD had Dolby TrueHD which is lossless, DTS is a dead format now
Shitty format full of disc rot. Also porn sided with Blu-ray.
>Shitty format full of disc rot.
Is this confirmed?
Porn industry and the PS3 having it built in making a blu-ray player available for relatively cheap. For whatever reason the Xbox 360 supported HD-DVD but the player was a separate unit you had to buy. If the 360 had played HD-DVD native it would have stood a chance.
PS3 cost a fortune when it came out. It was only after a few years when it became affordable.
7 million americans bought a PS3 in its first year on the market
That's still less than how much PS2 sold on the first year despite market being bigger. Also PS2 launched with 299$ price tag on 2000. Just six years later PS3 launched with 599$ which is double what the previous console cost. It was considered very expensive at the time and it's one of the reasons why 360 got a better start.
$600 in 2006 was not alot of money
$600 in 2006 is $1800 today
Wtf I hate Biden now
It absolutely was to the target audience. An unprecedented price at the time.
All PS3 memes were FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS and Talledega Nights after announcement and launch. The PS3 itself pulled a Sega Saturn in terms of creating hardware that was difficult to develop for
The PS3 was 600 dollars with a Blu Ray player when standalone blu ray players were just as expensive if not more so. Just like the PS2 was a cheap DVD player, the PS3 was a "cheap" blu ray player.
>PS3 cost a fortune when it came out
idk if it was a "fortune" but it was definitely a big deal at the time. people died on radio shows in attempts to get one
That was the Wii
Yes but bluray players were almost as expensive so eventually people just bought ps3 to play movies.
>Porn industry and the PS3 having it built in making a blu-ray player available for relatively cheap.
The new Xbronx Brooklyn coming out next year will cost less than the PSTriple cost new 16 years ago.
In my personal tests back in the day I found HD-DVD did more with the smaller space it had in terms of picture quality but the audio was just slightly behind Blu. Blu was encoded sloppier because it had all that space but because it has ALL THAT SPACE, HD-DVD just couldn't compete with what Blu was capable of.
Blu Ray was simply better. The discs had more space. It was the Betamax of the generation, if Betamax had won.
This. HD DVD just tried to cram more bits into a regular CD and produced errors I’m old existing drives while Bluray offered larger space and higher quality. BluRay can still handle 4K and DTS, Atmos, whatever. HD physically and technically cant.
>and produced errors I’m old existing drives
not only are you old, you're also a phoneposter
Nta but if you actually spend time here while sat at a desktop, you are a fricking loser. Cinemaphile is something you should only do to pass time while taking a shit.
Not true. HDDVD had more space.
Its only advantage was that it didn't require pressing factories to retool but all of them could afford to
It advertised "look we can sandwich a regular DVD layer in the middle" and then BD said "so can we, big deal"
>and then BD said "so can we, big deal"
but they didnt
Aitch dee dee vee dee takes too long to say.
cause you'd still call it DVD dummy
People thought hd-dvd would work on their dvd player
PS3
Higher disc capacity and bluray supported H264/AVCHD encoding
Technical benefits aside, it was harder to pronounce and the Xbox 360 didn't use an internal HD DVD drive. It didn't even launch with the eventual accessory drive available. PS3 gave Blu Ray a huge head start on adoption. Why spend FIVE NINETY NINE US DOLLARS on a single purpose HD DVD player when you can play RIDGE RACER on the new game console that also plays the other new video format.
Well blu ray was superior in a bunch of ways, what's more interesting is why it took so long to die off. (Allegedly) Microsoft kept pushing it as a viable alternative to blu ray for the sole purpose of confusing consumers long enough for streaming to take over and for home media formats to become obsolete. And... it worked! Blu ray never caught on the same way DVD or VHS did before it because Netflix became a thing.
And guess who blew the whistle on this when it was going on? Michael fricking Bay of all people. Pic related is what he had to say about it in 2007(!)
Also: goddammit. Michael Bay's old website doesn't seem to have been archived very well. He would actually turn up and respond to people there, like during the peak Michael Bay years
Where's Microsoft's streaming service then?
moron
It's been a while since I looked into all this stuff but Netflix had an exclusivity deal with Microsoft for years where, as far as consoles went, it was only on Xbox 360. Obviously it's not 2009 anymore so that hasn't been true for years.
Weirdly netflix was on wiiu but it's still not on switch, I think to this day the only streaming on switch is crunchyroll of all things (I think there was also a funi one before sonys illegal monopolistic buyout of crunchyroll they rolled funi into) it's also got some thing for a comics subscription called inkeypen or something which released just before western comics started to really die more than the already dead they were and had to scramble to start adding manga
Netflix was on the original Wii as well but for some reason you had to actually insert a disc into your machine for it to work. It's been a while since I looked into this but from memory the disc is mostly useless it's just that having it "on a disc" meant that it didn't violate Microsoft's exclusivity deal (which was really just them trying to sabotage Sony, although before anyone thinks I'm a playstation fanboy - Sony does the same backhanded, corporate shit right back all the time.)
Netflix was great on the 360 for a while. They had a party mode thing where you could synchronize the video with your friends and voicechat. Even had your avatars in the foreground like MST3K.
It's not so impressive these days where you can just stream through discord or whatever, and only one person needs a subscription, but it was pretty innovative back then, and it all worked so smoothly.
>Game Boy Advanced sold 80 million units
>>Game Boy Color pictured
>streaming
>digital downloads
Zommie, slap yourself. Then ask your single mother to slap you and ask her what 2007 was like, it will be cloudy between the cheap vodka and Xanax, but she might be able to tell you what 2007 was like.
Azure, Dropbox, Xbox Live, Xbox Series S, Windows OS account.
It's about digital downloads and then providing storage space.
fricking insane how up until the late 2000's you'd get creators responding to things like this. Twitter isn't the same because it's built for inane bullshit.
I really miss the old internet
Bay is an absolute homosexual
Well, yes but I think he's telling the truth there
>blu ray was superior in a bunch of ways
BS
It's funny how nobody seems to remember this like I do - The two formats were in active competition at retail for a little while, and then some agreements were made within the publisher industry to exclusively support Blu-Ray. It was announced in the news cycles and everything that this deal had been reached. That pretty much sealed the fate of HD-DVD.
It wasn't solely an organic thing based on end-user adoption, the industry itself flat out cut HD-DVD off one day and that was the end of it.
Many people here wasnt around when it was a thing. Honestly I was surprised the industry went with bluray since it has higher licensing fees. That was one of the sticking points with betamax, it was not JUST the porn industry.
HD dvd just doesn't roll off the tongue well
No region restrictions. The industry still thought they'd be able to continue getting away with regional distribution, so refused to properly support HD-DVD.
playstation had a bluray player in it
blu ray was f-
>HD DVD actually came out first
what the frick
So did Betamax
SONY ALWAYS WINS BABY
>cries in Betamax
>In mid-2009, Warner offered to replace any HD DVD Warner home video release with a Blu-ray Disc equivalent for $4.95, plus $6.95 shipping to the contiguous United States or $8.95 to Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico. The deal required the HD DVD's original sleeve art to be returned to Warner as proof of purchase
how the frick is the boxart a better proof of purchase than the art on the disc itself
You really want people to ship the disc that's going to get crushed? Sleeve art fits in an envelope
oh so you didn't actually have to send the disc back? that makes more sense
Five syllables versus two
HD DVD sounds like a Wii and Wii U situation where Americans can't rub two brain cells together
Besides, PS3 shipped with a bluray player inside, but Xbox 360 needed an external attachment. Microsoft REALLY dropped the ball considering Xbox 360 had a huge advantageous lead in that generation.
360 had a "huge advantageous lead in that generation" specifically because it came out a year earlier and didn't $599 U.S. dollars. Slap a HD-DVD drive on by default and that price advantage lessens.
There's a PS2 version of Netflix (only released in LATAM, IIRC) that shipped on a disc, too.
digg leak
I don't know why.
because the Xbox failed.
Because the PS3. Thats basically it. At the time the PS3 was the cheapest bluray player, and it came "free" (so to speak) with each PS3. Thats the big reason, and there are of course several smaller ones.
Personally HD-DVD was the superior format and I am still sad it didnt win.
>hurrdurr less storage space
That would have been fixed over time just like bluray also increased in capacity over time.
>implying ps3 was relevant
ps2 was huge for dvd but ps3... lmao
DVD is a fricking meme
The trailera at the start of some of my later vcr tapes would have DVD ads where they show "vhs resolution" switch to dvd as if the footage I'm watching magically changed
They played "dvd quality" sound and compared images
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HOLY SOULY
Oh god I remember these. Does anyone remember the one where they play a low quality version of like some action scene where the camera's doing a full 360 movement (it looked like a Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer type movie from memory with that really saturated, orange LA look) and then the announcer says something like, "that was in VHS quality, now let's watch it again in DVD quality." And then they play the clip again just in good, crystal clear quality. Even as a kid I was like, "I'm watching both clips on a VHS tape you idiots."
I just tried looking for it on Youtube but I can't seem to find it.
I've only ever seen the one I posted sorry. But yeah they had me seething back then too.
Swordfish (2001).
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>p
YEAH THAT'S IT! THANK YOU ANON. Yeah it was a dvd commercial with that scene except they just played it twice, once in crap quality and the 2nd time in good quality and made it out like "that's the power of dvd" or whatever. Ignoring the fact that it was a commercial on a vhs tape.
Thank you for finding that anon
PURE UNADULTERATED SOUL
Ads for new TVs or media formats have always been unrealistic like that because there is no actual way to advertise the difference in picture quality to normies aside from getting them in the store to look at it in person. DVD was a major improvement over VHS, and for a time the extras that came on the disc were actually worthwhile. Sometimes they even recorded special intros and stuff for the DVD release.
As for Bluray it won mainly because of the PS3 included a Bluray drive. Xbox 360 had HD-DVD but only as a separate external drive which virtually nobody bought. Likewise, the PS2 played a big role in the adoption of DVD by including a DVD drive.
>and for a time the extras that came on the disc were actually worthwhile
The Spinal Tap commentary is so good it's worth tracking down the dvd for it. They do the whole thing in character and it's almost like an entire 2nd movie
>PS3 is a Blu-ray player first
>games come in second
LOL. The "PS3 has no gaems" meme was true. At least until MGS4 came out.
Then the PS3 turned into the weeaboo console of the generation. The Wii was the baby console and the grandma console, the Xbox 360 was the typical gamer console, the PS3 was the weeaboo console.
I distinctly remember we didnt even know our playstation had a dvd drive, my parents bought some POS dvd player from K-mart
DVD on the PS2 was less of a selling point than Bluray on PS3 because DVD had already been out for a while and wasn't as expensive. Plus the Xbox also had a DVD drive.
BUT because the PS2 was so successful, it put DVD players in a gorillion homes that might not have gone out of their way to buy a DVD player otherwise.
The transition from VHS to DVD was inevitable and already ongoing, but the PS2 definitely accelerated it.
Normalgays didn't care/know about the difference.
>already owns most of their media on DVD
>HD DVDs come out
>"but I already have this movie on DVD, the HD can't be that much different"
>doesn't buy it
>Blurays come out
>"oooh what's this? It has a different name from DVD, I MUST buy it!"
I bet that if they didn't have "DVD" in it's name it could have been more successful. Also, marketing.
I worked in gamestop when the HD-DVD addon was released for the 360 and the PS3 was released. Mostly people didnt really care about either format, but right from the start there was hardly any interest in HD-DVD. Its been a good couple of years but as I remember people expected it to be somewhat backwards compatible. Like if you placed it in a regular dvd player it would play the same and if you used an HD player it would be higher quality. Many people didnt like it was not compatible. It was an easier sell with bluray "its a totally new format, you know, like back in the days with VHS and Betamax" and everyone would go "oh ok", and that was that.
that's bullshit shut up
people didn't care about both
Sony paid studios to back Blu-ray and Sony fricked over Panasonic/Philips/LG by making the PS3 the cheapest Blu-ray player available that also had firmware update and Internet connectivity features, plus had larger storage capacity.
the movie studios backed blu-ray bc they thought that the format was harder to pirate. as soon as hd-dvd folded, the pirates cracked blu-ray encryption.
HDDVD is harder to say than blue ray
The PS3.
The PS3 also proved that Blu-ray was better for storing games than DVDs.
Lost Odyssey was three DVDs, when it could easily fit on one Blu-ray.
Final Fantasy XIII was split into three DVDs on Xbox 360, and had much worse quality FMVs, audio and graphics than the PS3 version which was on one disc.
Metal Gear Solid 4 would be impractical on Xbox 360. It would have been three discs at minimum there.
MGS4 would have been more practical with disk changes than hardware installs.
>The PS3 also proved that Blu-ray was better for storing games than DVDs.
>Lost Odyssey was three DVDs, when it could easily fit on one Blu-ray.
>Final Fantasy XIII was split into three DVDs on Xbox 360, and had much worse quality FMVs, audio and graphics than the PS3 version which was on one disc.
>3x 8.5=25.5gb
>1 DL-HDDVD=30gb
Nobody bought a PS3 for the blu-ray player, that is another myth.
Although to be fair it was one of the main reasons why blu ray succeeded over HD DVD
Some enthusiasts actually did buy it just for the bluray drive because at the time it was like the cheapest way to get a Bluray player. Even at the high price of five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars the PS3 was still being sold at a loss in order to bait people into their software ecosystem where the real money is made.
Of course for most it was not the primary reason for purchase, but it was a major incentive to choose a PS3 over the 360.
Cope, PS1 was god-tier CD player. PS2 with the 5 colors cable and toslink made it the greatest DVD player and the same for PS3
stand alone bluray players cost more than ps3 back in 2006
That simply makes no sense. Why would bluray player + one (1) game cost more than bluray player by itself?
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/information-technology/samsung-ships-first-blu-ray-player-with-1000-price-2006-06/
Samsung launched the first commercial BD player at ~$1000 US in June 2006. Sony shipped the PS3 at $599 that November. Sony used the price of the console as a loss leader. They were willing to lose money on the hardware in hopes of making money off of games, peripherals and other accessories. That was a strategy they already used for the original PlayStation and PS2. Sony Electronics was a very big player in the development of Blu-Ray as a format, so they had a vested interest in making sure it gained adoption as they'd collect royalties from movie releases, too. Other BD manufacturers didn't have that going for them, so they couldn't compete so fiercely on price.
They lied about that. They sold shit hardware qt a high price and made a fortune.
Porn didn't side with Blu-ray. The BDA actively discouraged adult studios from releasing titles by making the format's licensing a long process. HD DVD was always much more open to all content distributors. In the early days there were more porn on HD DVD than BD. Didn't matter though since it didn't move the needle for either.
didn't ship with xbox 360
It didn't come with the 360 and it's competition held more data.
They both failed though. If holographic disc was released instead maybe we'd still have rental places.
PS3
It was garbage like every single thing Microsoft promotes.
The naming convention.
"HD DVD" makes you think of the DVD. Your brain goes "oh, it's just a DVD with a better picture," and as such your brain deduces that you can watch it on your DVD player. But you can't. And they want you tell you that RIGHT UP FRONT, making sure your dumb ass doesn't buy it and try to play it in your DVD player because Walmart won't take the return if you opened it.
So you're at the display and your brain is taking in seemingly conflicting information and you think for a moment "well, alright, I'll just get the DVD version then." Because spending $19 on a movie is better than spending $30 on a mocie AND $70~ $120, just doesn't track.
Honestly if they'd elwanted a smooth transition, they should have first released the HD-DVD players, with backwards compatibility, and just not made a thing about it. Put those out for maybe three years, stop making stand-alone DVD players, always put the two together. Then when 50% of the population had already had the, ready-to-us new player, the switch would have been easier.
"Blue Ray" sounds different so your squishy brain understands that it isn't the same thing more readily.
If the Xbox 360 came with a pre-installed HD DVD player instead of an external device it might have worked out, the PS3 having a blu ray player already installed helped it significantly.
I don’t think one had anything to do with the other. The ps3 sold like shit especially at first.
I agree. Nobody wanted to buy the add on. Convenience is huge.
>$40 "4k" blu-ray that is just an upscaled HD transfer
Gee i wonder why
Imagine being Criterion films on HD-DVD lel
I think blu-ray was more marketable, and there was the usual PS3 effect. At any rate neither became as big as DVD was and streaming won.
Hd dvd had small size limit
>implying BluRay didn't fail
The film industry lost so much money, only capeshit survived.
Because it wasn't in the xbox360 as original disc drive.
playstation
Hard Disk Drive Venereal Disease? In my PC?
Ultimately, people prefer the color blue. Simple as.
>better name
>better logo
>better color
>comes with a free PS3
>better color
Red Chad here, frick you blue b***h!
from a mass-marketing perspective I mean
I am also an average red enjoyer
I was in favor of hddvd in principle, being a consortium rather than Sonys new thing.
The race lasted longer than it should have in the end, mostly due to supply issues with the new laser for the Blu-ray. PS3 would've sold quite a bit more that year of not for that.
They both failed. I believe as recently as a few years ago, regular DVD sales are STILL greater Blu-ray sales (although both are nearly dead).
Blu-rays usually suck ass and aren't worth the money because often times they use inferior masters, so you can have a great camera and tale a picture of a hunk of dogshit, but it's still going to look like dogshit. Then you have the literally blue-ening of movies for what reason I can't fathom, and finally you have abominations like "The Terminator" Blu-ray that edited out the original soundtracks and substituted one with gay sounding guns.
So with all that in mind, I'll stick to DVDs, Laserdiscs, VHS;et al before get desperate and pop in Boo Gays.
I made the mistake of buying a DIVX player when they launched with DVD.
>HD DVD / Blu-ray Disc hybrid discs edit
>Warner Bros. officially announced Total Hi Def (THD or Total HD) at CES 2007. THD hybrid discs were to support both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc, with HD DVD on one side (up to two layers) and Blu-ray Disc on the other side (up to two layers). In November 2007, Warner Bros. cancelled THD's development.[78]
Microsoft tried to postpone the inevitable, but when Warner Bros. decided to ditch HDdvd and go with only Blu-ray, the format war was officially over.
The back catalog of classic films from WB, guaranteed that any movie fan would have a Blu-ray player.
The only advantage HDDVD had over Blu-ray was HDVD format had internet connectivity from day one, Blu-ray had to get a patch to firmware 1.2 I believe, cant really remember