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I AM NOT CRAZY! I am not crazy! I know he broke that commandment! I knew it was "remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy". One after "thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain". As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got those fishermen from Galilee to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This sorcery? He's done worse. That paralytic! Are you telling me that a man just happens to take up his mat and walk like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jesus! HE HEALED A MAN ON THE SABBATH! And I remained silent! And I shouldn't have. Pharisees took him into their own homes! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since before Abraham was, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands off of the lepers! But not our Jesus! Couldn't be precious Jesus! Healing the blind! And he gets to be the Messiah!? What a sick joke! I should've stoned him when I had the chance! And you – you have to crucify him! You-
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4 israelites
Matthew 15:24
To show the world who the true evil is. And to save us from it.
for (You)
Pretty sure the romans did it
Pilate famously washed his hands out of the situation and said he didn't want to do it. The Romans didn't do it. At the end, Roma converted to Christianity, fulfilling the prophecy of defeating Rome and liberating God's people. israelites took it literally and lost.
I wonder who made the romans do it. Its exactly like the way they are making the US goverment pass antisemetism laws and getting them to fund the genocide in gaza. I dont think the romans are innocent in it, I mean they kept killing people that were trying to spread the message of Jesus after he rose for a long time still.
Let me re-phrase, what I said is all part of the fiction of that movie. So im not antisemetic im just describing the movie.
That comparison doesn't really work. Judea was a province of the Roman empire, and their operating procedure for provinces was let them do whatever they want as long as they pay taxes. In America literally every politician is bought and paid for by AIPAC, and foreign policy is completely dictated by what is best for Israel
In other words Judea did not control Rome, but today Israel does control America
Oh word?
Why did the Roman's do it then? What Roman law did Jesus break?
>What Roman law did Jesus break?
The Romans were an occupying force, anon. They could kill whoever they felt like.
But usually they kept the populace more or less quiet by adapting to local laws and customs when it wasn't a problem for Romans.
they killed him moron
you looking for excuses just makes you look like a guilty italian just like them
Were you raised Christian? I'm always curious about these people who insist it was the Romans at fault, I assume that's what modern liberal churches teach.
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>jews keep claiming they are Gods chosen people
>they keep doing evil things like usury or constantly trying to cheat God by having sabat goys etc
>sends part of Himself as a human on earth to tell us about the kingdom of heaven
>jews decide to get Jesus killed
It was a way to expose the israelites as devils. I mean think about it, they kept saying how a messiah will come, then He does performs miracles and shows them the way, and they kill him.
hey buddy, you can't say that, it's illegal now
Jesus knew death was temporary and he'd be in Heaven soon enough, so his "sacrifice" wasnt a sacrifice at all. he was in a no lose situation
He still knew it'd be a painful sacrifice he didn't want to go through, he even asked His father to spare him when he prayed. He accepted his destiny, though.
The orthodox creed is that he is both human and divine. The human side builds a bridge between the upper transcendent plane and our lower material plane, the divine side infinitely "pays" for our sins, or infinitely "makes up for" our fallen nature (something we can't ever hope to make up for due to our finite nature).
Whether you believe in it or not I recommend people think of it less as a legalistic framework, or a "no lose" situation, and more as spiritual physics manifested in our material realm.
Except he begged that the burden be lifted from him if there were any other way and had a moment of doubt upon the cross (i.e. it's a suffering outside of time itself and not your mother telling you she'll take you to McDonald's after the dentist). He bore the weight of all human sin and was tortured by those he was doing it to protect.
Was getting caught part of his plan?
Yes.
>"Pilate therefore said unto Him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
Of course. The next step of his masterplan you ask? Saving your soul! WITH ETERNAL LOVE!
>you're not legally allowed to hate the israelites for killing your god
but don't worry. they are our greatest ally!
It was of course part of his plan, and they cannot kill the almighty as He proved himself when he rose as promised. But you can hate them for doing unto humanity many evils.
I would love to be Christian but my rational brain just keeps me telling me it's a bunch of bs. Also, Jesus was all for the israelites. It's only because of Paul that it converted goyim.
>'Paul'
formerly Saul
Not formerly. He was both Saul and Paul his whole life. Saul was his Hebrew name and Paul was his Latin name. He went by both depending on the situation.
start with the philosophical fact that this universe was absolutely created and did not happen by accident
I'm reminded of the line from south park; God doesnt have to be the answer to how, but the why. People get caught up in disproving God by saying oh it didnt just happen in 7 days and we werent made from dirt. Thats just a story of humans trying to grasp our own creation. It cant happen in our state of existence. But God is the answer to why.
Okay, but that doesn't validate Christianity over any other world religion. I've always wondered what Christians would do if they could see into the past and it totally debunked their religion. Would they hop to the next faith?
I used to be an edgelord atheist, but through logic and through observing the obvious evil that is trying to turn people away from God it became obvious to me what the way is.
If you are truly rational, you should think what would make more sense; that everything is random and happened by chance for no reason at all? That we randomly evolved along with the atmosphere in the earth so perfectly as to one day become rational and intelligent as to explore outselfs and the infinite beauty of the world? Or that it's all part of a plan? Furthermore so many atheists try to disprove God, but think of it this way; if a celestial being so powerful to create all the universes and life were to exist, would you as a dumb human be able to grasp its reasoning and ways? It would be like a tiny spec of dust trying to compehend the makings of a human times a million. Who are we to presume we have everything figured out?
can atheists refute this?
https://youtube.com/shorts/nARz673L7BQ?si=Q4aN-aia7rEFmEED
They will try to anon sadly. But it's such hubris to presume to begin to comprehend it. I had this conversation with a friend whos an atheist, and to make it more paletable to him i said; what if a 4th dimension existed, would we as 3 dimensional beings be able to comprehend how that would look like existing in 4 dimensions? It would be like explaining to a person born blind what the color blue is.
I love when believers try to justify their beliefs with logic, they always refuse to follow that logic to the end. well then god exists, and everything that exists has a cause so there has to be mega god
his logic presented a conclusive end. He ascribed God as "beginningless" in his argument
you're the one talking in circles. that fedora has cut off circulation to your brain
>He ascribed God as "beginningless" in his argument
and why is that? let me go one step ahead of him and say that our universe is "beginningless". both our statements don't have merit because we don't have arguments to support them
>fedora can't into metaphysics
NTA but I'll explain it to you in simple terms. The argument is that the universe is temporal and therefore it had to have a beginning (i.e. if there were an infinite amount of time preceding your existence you'd never be able to come into existence). Therefore, the universe somehow began outside of time and isn't limited to crude materialism as we understand it. From there you recognize our humility, which is something fedoras are extremely adverse towards, and build arguments toward cause. Such arguments are holistic in their nature, because they can't be framed otherwise, so the best answer you get is toward agnosticism. From there you get faith based arguments which take a particular humility in order to entertain.
>The argument is that the universe is temporal and therefore it had to have a beginning (i.e. if there were an infinite amount of time preceding your existence you'd never be able to come into existence).
No, scientifically we know the universe is changeable. From there we deduce that some form of existence, or the potential for some sort of existance, has always been there.
For a certain definition of "always" outside time and space, of course.
The God thesis doesn't solve anything, it just passes the buck to an extra element. Great, so a supreme being created all space and time. Where does the Supreme being come from? Ah, it's always been there, you say? Then why not say existence has always been there, then? No need to add magical beings.
>Great, so a supreme being created all space and time. Where does the Supreme being come from? Ah, it's always been there, you say? Then why not say existence has always been there, then? No need to add magical beings.
NTA but how is this better than granting a magical big bang that creates everything or that order just magically existed forever? A personal being at least explains a motive for why things are as they are. I'd say most (if not all) conceptions of God include some form of "existence has always been there" (Colossians 1:16)
Because if you have an issue wrapping your head around the concept of an infinite number of attempts at existence failing until by sheer coincidence one appears with enough built-in rules to not collapse automatically, the idea of a superbeing still solves nothing.
it's like explaining existence saying that we're a simulation created in a supercomputer in a superreality by a couple of guys in a superbasement.
Okay, fine, but, what created the two guys? you can't just keep adding bigger simulations, there has to be a starting point.
If before the big bang can 'just be', then before a god can 'just be'.
If we accept infinity is real, how does the concept of an infinite being become ridiculous in the same frame of argument. If space is infinite, denying something else can be infinite is nonsensical. But whatever. Cinemaphile.
It's not ridiculous. Nothing is ridiculous in an infinite. It's just:
a) not necessary to explain anything.
b) it's not an explanation in itself, just a new layer of complexity.
what is ridiculous is believing in something without some sort of compelling evidence. Even if you happened to be right, you didn't reach that conclusion by logic, just wishful thinking.
>Because if you have an issue wrapping your head around the concept of an infinite number of attempts at existence failing until by sheer coincidence one appears with enough built-in rules to not collapse automatically, the idea of a superbeing still solves nothing
Why is existence attempting infinitely to create a "non-collapsing" existence? Could you differentiate collapsing from non-collapsing existence? I don't see any reason to believe that.
>it's like explaining existence saying that we're a simulation created in a supercomputer in a superreality by a couple of guys in a superbasement.
Okay, fine, but, what created the two guys? you can't just keep adding bigger simulations, there has to be a starting point.
The starting point is God, which by definition has no starting point. At it's root it's really just a personification to that existence you are focusing on, which again solves the question of why things are as they are.
>The starting point is God, which by definition has no starting point. At it's root it's really just a personification to that existence you are focusing on, which again solves the question of why things are as they are.
But it's still something that came out of nowhere, something you claim to believe is impossible.
>But it's still something that came out of nowhere
At no point did I say this and no one believes this. If God "came out of nowhere" he wouldn't be God because that implies there would be a time in which he didn't exist. Your fundamental misunderstanding of God as a concept is not a flaw of God.
So now you believe things can just exist and happen without a beginning?
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>No, scientifically we know the universe is changeable. From there we deduce that some form of existence, or the potential for some sort of existance, has always been there.
You're not actually meeting the argument, anon. We also know almost nothing about the big bang and our understanding of physics breaks down so I honestly have no idea what you're referencing "we know scientifically" there. Have you ever even studied physics? Can you do basic calculus?
>The God thesis doesn't solve anything, it just passes the buck to an extra element.
It's not a "thesis," moron. Religion isn't a science textbook and this is why you're hopelessly filtered by religion.
who cares, life is just a neurochemical con job, enjoy the dopamine hits while they last and be kind to people, its everyones first time here, go outside
I'm not sure if the funniest part of fedora tipping is the intelligence LARP of scientism held forth by people who don't even know basic calculus or their attempt to pass off cheap cynicism as pearls of wisdom.
>be kind to people
Why should I be kind to people if nothing matters and life is just nuerochemicals? Why does it matter that it's everyone's first time here? You can't just introduce and ought from an is.
^This is the natural conclusion to the lack of objective morality. Anyone denying it has an ulterior motive.
I want people to like me, so I treat them with kindness and respect. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
We're social animals, we have empathy. Is how we survive.
>Why should I be kind to people if nothing matters and life is just nuerochemicals? Why does it matter that it's everyone's first time here? You can't just introduce and ought from an is.
because letting go of hate literally feels good, even of its hard to let go sometimes
Yes. It literally makes more sense to say that everything sprang forth from nothing, for no reason, with no purpose and with no ultimate goal, than it does to posit that some god did it. And the reason why this is so is because the latter involves two absurdities rather than one, and two absurdities stacked on on top of the other (the simple fact of the universe itself, together with some god) are less credible than a single absurdity.
Invoking some god to explain everything is a deeply unsatisfying and lazy way of coping with the absurdity of life. "Oh there must be some special thing with special properties that we don't understand".
>special properties that we don't understand".
Human history is filled with people presuming to be the most intelligent in their lifetime thinking they have the universe figured out. And time and time again they are proven complete and utter morons.
>bro the earth is flat trust me -smartest guys on earth at the time
>dude you cant fly thats dumb no one can fly -smartest guys on earth at the time
>hah you say theres invisible to the eye organisms that cause us to get ill? this guy is an idiot -smartest guys on earth at the time
so how would it be so obsurd that you dont know anything at all about our creation and purpose?
lastly, if you truly thing there is no purpose in life, theres no mind other than the human mind, then that would mean there is no inheritely evil or good in the world. evil and good is only what we as humans define, so its all relative, so therefore there is no ihnerit evil, so if someone were to kill rape murder etc its all fine, it doesnt matter. so if you want to be consistent with your views then accept that its fine to do all sorts of unspeacable things to people and it is not evil.
No reason to try to argue with people about these things. Most people are moronic and have never attempted a journey through individuation. These people are posers in the worst way, constantly projecting the way they want to be treated on to others. They want to be coddled and made to feel absolutely secure at all conversation points. Worst yet, these people gladly accept anything “credited” people tell them because they don’t want to feel dumb. These people are soooo deeply entrenched by “being viewed” in a certain way. Which is why, my point being, people who have begun the individuation process, intentionally or not, will always believe in god. Really makes you think.
You are correct, but I just want to try and help others find the way. I guess I too would resist and kick and scream when I was on my teenage edgelord phase. I just hope they find their way eventually.
How do you define absurd? How is a god absurd?
>Yes. It literally makes more sense to say that everything sprang forth from nothing,
That's patently absurd, "something from nothing" is absurd. At least the idea of a god outside of space/time creating everything has a certain logical consistency, it's "something from something"
inb4 WHO CREATED GOD (nta obviously)
I was also. Then Jesus Christ revealed his presence to me in what can only be described as a miracle.
Since then things have only gotten better.
I believe we may be beginning to witness what the scriptures speak of right now, all around us. Jesus Christ is returning to wash away the followers of Lucifer, he's making his presence felt, and people are seeing, and returning to him. I personally know people in the same boat who believed in nothing just a few years ago aside from myself.
The return of Jesus is something people might imagined as a literal man floating in the sky shooting lightning bolts at the wicked, but that's not how it works, that's not how any of the scriptures work. So much is metaphor and philosophy, but I really do think we could be witnessing the start of this right before our eyes.
>Jesus Christ revealed his presence to me in what can only be described as a miracle.
You probably just had a bipolar episode, anon.
For three years? which completely turned my life from a descent into hell to returning from it?
Your life probably sucked because of your existing mental issues, you just replaced your other coping mechanisms with something else... But you're still spiraling down, you're just having episodes of religious mania. it happens a lot.
please, go get help.
In fact I'm spiralling up, in every metric. All debts paid off, savings growing, anxiety lessening, compulsive behaviors improving, losing weight, not eating processed slop, seven years of severe addiction to alcohol, gone.
If anything what you are talking about with "bipolar episodes" or sliding into compulsion and apathy versus bursts of trying hard to fix things is levelling out.
And then I look around and I see so many others like me experiencing the same thing. There's no mania, no going to church that you might imagine, or speaking in tongues, in fact I don't even share any of this with people in real life, they'll figure it out for themselves soon enough, eventually even you will.
Good for you, I hope you also make the final leap and leave Cinemaphile forever.
That may in fact happen. This website is a place to wallow in misery for the most part. The only thing that even makes me come back is that (very) occasionally an actual discussion of kino takes place. Though this is exceedingly rare now and mostly it's just a lot of coping, shitposting, and reddit tier behaviour.
Please leave.
I don't know your story. Did you join a cult?
Listen, all I'm saying is, bipolars have ups nd downs. And the up can last a while... but it always comes with a down. I'm sure that alchol was a real problem, but you probably had deeper issues that led you to that addiction.
Be prepared. get help before that happens.
Read what you wrote. "they'll figure it out for themselves soon enough". Are you having delusions about an incoming apocalypse? That's a big sign, anon.
Yes I know, my brother is bipolar. I am not.
They'll figure it out means more and more people are looking around and coming to the same conclusion. Five years ago for example someone like Russel Brand going and announcing he was being baptized would have been met with ridicule across every form of media and having his life destroyed. And oh they did try, but it didn't work did it? If anything that message is spreading more, and through more and more sources.
The age of obnoxious reddit atheism is over.
Yes, anon, most people are generally following some dogma or another. That's always been true. It's not really a change of mores. That was true a hundred years ago and will be true a hundred years from now.
Anyway, please get checked. Just in case.
nice! im with you!!
Im not saying there is no creator or divine power
but what makes you think out of the thousands of religions and cults humans have come up with since the dawn of time, your specific one is the truth and all the others are bullshit?
Because I am the smartest person to ever live
Because I have faith. I feel it in my soul and faith cannot be explained completely.
Matthew 23:9
This answers your question regarding cults or religious institutions.
"jews" is such a misnomer. the israelites of then were not the schmeckleburgs and rosensteins and mort's of today
Is the movie illegal now? I’m scared I’ll get arrested for owning it.
jews always must play the victim card, imagine a """god""" who died crucified, there can't be anything more pathetic
These tiktok challenges are getting out of hand.
to make whites slaves to israelites.
For his Son.
The house of reps just past a bill against this sort of language you’re using. You guys are treading on thin water.
for teh lulz
it had to be done
Because Adam & Eve at an apple.
For (You).
>why did He do it?
for you and me
Jesus had a mutilated wiener
I genuinely wonder what the Christian Identity schizo take on this is
Circumcision back then was much less extreme than it is today. It used to be just a nip at the top of the skin, now they just cut your entire foreskin off. Not that it's good regardless...
>Circumcision back then was much less extreme than it is today.
source?
>source is a shitty pic with bananas
ok
How many dicks do you need to see sliced?
>looks over
>(smirks)
>First time?
Jesus loves me this I know
For the Bible tells me so
Little ones to Him belong
They are weak but He is strong
Amen
I'm trying to read the Bible, but it's not a very enjoyable read. The language seems dated and dull. Half of Genesis is talking about Genealogy. Is this normal? Should I switch from KJV?
Read Siddhartha instead, a much better story and message
Listen to it on audiobook, the genealogy is easier when you can just hear it and not read it
4 da lulz
Lucifer, and his agents of darkness, never rest, and corrupted Judaism. God sent His only begotten son to Earth as an act of understanding of how frail and easily corrupted man truly is when faced with the forces of darkness. He made Jesus suffer for the sins of man so as to demonstrate his love for man, and He had Him killed so that God could resurrect Him showing the world that He truly was the son of God. Jesus was basically sent as a pact from God to man, telling man that yes, I exist, yes, I love you, yes, I understand how easily corrupted you are, and yes, I will forgive you if you choose to accept these truths.
Since that time, Lucifer, and his agents, have continued to infiltrate and corrupt almost every aspect of human society in all its forms, including the Christian church that would be established after the death of Jesus. Regardless, Lucifer will fail in the end, as Jesus foretold.
>...on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
>- Matthew 16:18
The greatest trick Lucifer ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist....
This world is nothing but a distraction and a waste of life if you neglect a relationship with God.
>I want to waste my life talking to my imaginary friend because I'm a coward who's scared of life
blood sacrifice actually works. it was the ultimate defeat of satan who's minions still do blood sacrifices today but it doesnt matter because God blood sacrificed Himself
>mfw I found out jesus was known as "the king of the israelites" and the bible was written in hebrew
he was mockingly called the king of the israelites, Moshe
Humiliation fetish.
Xristos Anesti/Christ is Risen Orthodox anons!
Alithos o Kyrios brehs!