Why did he ruin the old movies?
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Why did he ruin the old movies?
Why did he ruin the old movies?
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>the part where the skin texture moves over the whole screen for a second
Frick you, George.
Because it's his creation, his project, he can do what he wants with it
>the part where the skin texture moves over the whole screen for a second
If you have to freeze frame to b***h about something then it's not ruined.
George is an actual genius and has forgotten more about movies and filmmaking than you will ever know. Watch any interview with him instead of out of context clips and you will see. His only sin is that he wanted to do something original with the prequels instead of what his army of midwitt manchildren wanted to do. He couldn't read their minds or bring back their childhood so they will constantly b***h about everything in bad faith. I really dislike you
>George is an actual genius and has forgotten more about movies and filmmaking than you will ever know
Yes I wrote it quite clearly.
>His only sin is that he wanted to do something original with the prequels
The prequels are filled with unoriginal stuff that isn't just unoriginal but don't even make sense if you think about it for more than two fricking seconds. Shit like Kenobis robes now being the Jedi uniform is just one example. Lucas sin is not having someone looking over his shoulder and pointing out when he was doing something stupid that made no sense and also being talked into directing the films himself by Spielberg.
There's more originality in one prequel than an entire decade of Disney slop, I mean "content". The realization should slowly sink in that there will never be a new original era of Star Wars with it's own original designs precisely because George is gone. He was the main creative driving force.
>Shit like Kenobis robes now being the Jedi uniform is just one example.
This is not an argument. There are thousands of original costumes in the prequels, if they wanted a new Jedi robe they could have come up with one. This is your own personal nitpick that doesn't prove anything about the originality of the movies.
>This is your own personal nitpick
Do you really think these mouthbreathers have had an original thought in their lives? They probably took it from the Plinket reviews, or some other midwit screeds of people with zero talent.
If Lucas had any level of originality to him his entire career wouldn't be about making nostalgia bait shit. Fricking prequels are still just more fricking Star Wars. He had infinite amounts of money and the best production crew on the planet and just went "Actually I don't want to do anything too new" which is the same thing he's done his entire career.
The prequels tell an entirely different story with its own set of morals from the OT. Movies are about telling stories, arent they? You seem very hung up on its surface elements, and since youre already moving goalposts of your original argument id say you are realizing how stupid you are
Lucas wuz Kangs
If youre stuck on surface elements like kenobis robes than youre too stupid to even communicate with. The prequels have a deep subtext about the cycles of history. Its really no accident that the prequel introduces the idea of midi chlorians in a scientific light, this is the jedi in the era of civilization. Its devoid of religion and that is the point.
>The prequels have a deep subtext about the cycles of history.
So? you think cycles of histopry is an original or profound concept? History repeating itself on some level is something just about every culture that has ever existed has pondered. Its as generic as the hero's journey.
>Kenobis robes now being the Jedi uniform
always have been. watch the fricking movies with your eyes instead of parroting rants by a borderline moronic alcoholic who made Space Cop
>he thinks he's got a good argument but all he does is solidify the even worse case against him, that Return of the Jedi started everything wrong with Star Wars
kids won't notice
This actually isn't the worst thing because now that Hayden Christianson reprised the role he does feel like he's the definitive Anakin.
>ruins the entire idea of redemption before his death
>not the worst thing
I'm guessing you watch a lot of cartoons as an adult, smoke a lot of weed and don't really think a lot
it's not really a guess, I already know
>ruins the entire idea of redemption before his death
what did anon mean by this?
haven't seen the new hayden show btw
I hope George Lucas burns in hell for eternity
As a child I was confused how it was possible that they'd lined up the actor set to play Anakin twenty fricking years before the prequels.
I remember watching Attack of the Clones and thinking it was odd how they updated Yoda's outfit. Then I went back and rewatched the original movies and realized he was wearing the same thing.
> His only sin is that he wanted to do something original
His “only sin” … so we’re just going to ignore the Star Wars Holiday Special and Howard the Duck? Okay.
George’s 6 foot moron mogwai quoted the fricking Olsen twins 5 minutes after he showed up.
The child space pilot cliche was done better in Flight of the Navigator, Explorers, SpaceCamp, etc.
That bearded frick definitely forgot more about movie making than I’ll ever know right before he fricked up the PT.
>the original movie is a FRICKING BONUS on DVD
and people still defend that moron lucas.
George you absolute oaf!
I'm just going to say it. Star Wars was always MASSIVELY overrated slop.
thank you
This. the prequels are trash no matter what zoomies screech about
>the prequels are trash
They are bad movies, they are great popcorn munchers for kids, and you may not like it but the 3 prequels are ABSOLUTE GOLDMINES when it comes to memes, parodies and homages
>they are great popcorn munchers for kids
They really aren't. Episode 1 spends too much time on politics and Episode 2 is so convoluted it'd be hard for any kid to understand what's happening. Episode 3 is the only one that's action packed and kids could enjoy but it's also the most dark and violent.
>They really aren't. Episode 1 spends too much time on politics
>First trilogy is about the rise of the empire.
>No, you can't have any scenes with politics!
>they are great popcorn munchers for kids
Yes a tarrif conflict and imperial senate negotiations, people sitting around tables discussing tax policy, great exciting kiddy stuff.
The original three were dogshit too you goalpost moving sissy
>STAR WARS IS MY LIFE
>okay the sequels were trash but that doesnt count because disney
>and the prequels were a joke
>And jedi is shit too, I mean come on the fricking ewoks?
>and there are some obvious problems with the first movie, the elderly lightsaber fight is just laughable
>empire is great though
>okay that takes a million years to get going and yoda acting like a moronic miss piggy goblin is kind of lame
>BUT I LOVE STAR WARS
Im pretty sure even the fans just like the setting more than anything set in it.
Completely true.
This. It was never good, not once. moronic boomers have held the entire world hostage for nearly fifty fricking years because of their gay nostalgia. Think about that. Half a century spent worshipping the worst sci fi slop. They, Boomers, have destabilized this country through Star Wars worship alone far more than the CIA ever has or could with tampering in any foreign nation.
>Think about that. Half a century spent worshipping the worst sci fi slop.
Star Wars isn't science-fiction. It's a space western with fantasy elements.
Star Wars: 7.5/10
Empire Strikes Back: 8.5/10
Return of the Jedi: 6/10
And these are the good ones. Each one is worse than an Indiana Jones movie.
Yeah this ground breaking piece of cinema for its time was definitely overrated from day one. Hindsight Andys lmao
THANK YOU!
Nah the OG trilogy was amazing, always was, always will be, no matter how much its reputation has been tarnished by the follow up media.
in the 90s there was nothing more cringe than SW spergs
they'd be the untouchables, the people you'd have to avoid at all costs
I'm just going to say it: zoomers are no more humans than boomers.
Correct.
Hollywood, vidya, and lego dont exist today without star wars. the idea of cgi is George lucas'
Star Wars will die with the last childless millenial.
Thank you for making my day just a little bit better, Anon
The first two movies are good, the rest are shit.
fr ong no cap
>Makes an outdoor scene so Cloud City isn't just hallway, hallway, hallway
>Movie ruined
If you really want to talk about shitty changes, post the end of Return where the Ewok party gets replaced by Coruscant, Naboo, and Tatooine shooting fireworks.
This. The most underwhelming thing about the Cloud City segment is that it was just a bunch of rooms and corridors.
Cloud City is run by frickin Lando Calrissian. Of course it'd have some bangin entertainment and luxuries there. Hotels, casinos, resorts, food, music, and shows from across the galaxy. All to enjoy while see the endless beautiful clouds in the open air.
Cloud City was an industrial business, not a fricking resort spa.
>It contained 392 levels, along with platforms and rooms for residents and visitors. The top 50 levels of the city were used as a luxury resort, renowned for its famous casinos such as Yarith Bespin and Pair O'Dice, while the lower levels housed workers and catered for the mining and processing of tibanna gas. The city had a controlled environment that meant residents did not have to worry about the weather. Popular tourist activities included gambling, hiring a cloud car for sightseeing the city and occasionally touring the local mining operations. The high-end accommodations were exclusive, with luxury resorts often charging as much as 5,000 Imperial credits a night. The Ivax Syndicate also maintained gaming houses on the station.
Boom. Now shut the frick up about things you don't know anything about.
Now post the Wookipedia article on Water.
wudu hide
>published after the Specials released
Revisionist history =/= reality, frickwit.
It ran on an gas mining yes but there's no way you have a city that large and its just one gigantic industrial facility facility. Cloud City basically being Sky Dubai is perfectly fine by me.
It's a glorified offshore drilling platform where you get to bring your family instead of leaving them on the mainland. It's not Brunei.
You're weirdly hung up on Cloud City being purely industrial. There's clear signs of luxury, like Han and Leia's room, the banquet hall where Vader is revealed, the statues in a couple hallways, etc.
what do they eat
They import a variety of yummy goodies.
Cloud city is a mining facility on a GAS GIANT. You are nto meant to just chill around like it's a beach resort. It's an industrial plant. I just assumed the air was totally toxic to breathe.
No because the dock when Han arrives is outside and they act like normal. Plus when Luke escapes Vader he's hanging on for dear life call for Leia but nothing indicates the air is toxic to him.
Futher strengthened by when Han & Leia are checking out the creatures in the "asteroid". They wear masks because they know they can't breathe the air, but it doesn't cover their eyes & ears so they would've known the asteroid part of a vacuum,
You're joking, right? The original version is, and I mean this in the kindest way possible, complete fricking shit. It feels like john williams went home before the movies ended and forgot to record a song so george brought out the old sticks and pans. The new superior version the scene is the reason the ending is even remembered to this day.
SOUL
SOULLESS
so many badly framed shots and bad transitions in the 2011 version. completely unnecessary b roll / rehashes from chronologically earlier movies, then hayden inserted as the force ghost LUKE sees, even though Luke wouldn't even recognize the Hayden version of his father, he only knew him as a pale old guy.
so bad.
george has always been stupid. the prequels only proved it.
That was one of the only good changes though. Cloud city was beautiful outside and needed more exterior scenes
Those are decisions that should have been made during production.
No. There's a ton of new things he couldn't do when the movies were originally made.
>George couldn't have done one additional matte painting for Empire
doubt
The shot cant be done with matte paintings. The entire area where the actors appear have to be a a giant hole in the painting because of how the effect works.
Well then use rear projection or simply change the camera angle. George could've got it done if he had wanted to.
>simply change the camera angle
Never compromise artistic integrity.
But also George didn't direct the movie so it wasn't his choice.
Yes it fricking was read how production on these movies worked, watch any Kershner interview. George did all of the pre-production before Kershner was even hired. He was a hired hand, like the creator of a tv show hires different directors each episode. It's not their artistic vision. Why do you think Kershner has never made another decent movie before or after empire? Because this is a Lucas movie not a Kershner movie.
Yes, in 1980 it was impossible to go outside or to pretend to with the use of things like matte paintings, despite them literally having sets from other scenes that could easily be repurposed.
ok, but they weren't, so why not go back and fix them when you have the chance?
that hallway looks like my grandmas house. stay mad nerds lol
I love this little homie like you wouldn't believe
This scene is so fricking stupid and gay but the song is bangin. Have a date you want to impress? Put this song on and unzip your dick
OI OI, U WANNA WANGA?
It fits perfectly with the silly shit in Jabba's palace
you can clearly tell it's cgi that was added decades later
Yes because you know the history of Star Wars, and practical effects. Show it to a kid watching Star Wars for the first time and they won't notice anything about it.
>Show it to a kid
great argument
>Yes because you know the history of Star Wars, and practical effects. Show it to a kid watching Star Wars for the first time and they won't notice anything about it.
You could speed the movie up by 25% and replace all the John Williams music with minecraft music and some children wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
On some very general level yes but the digital CGI look clashes horribly with the rest of the sequence. Had the entire movie been made in the late 90s and that had been the original scene I don't think anyone would've minded it since it wouldn't have stuck out as much since everything would look more or less the same. As it is its like looking at Casablanca and completely out of nowhere they've replaced a scene with a reshot one in color.
I loved this shit when I was a little kid, I had no idea it wasn't part of the original movie, I just assumed they replaced a puppet.
HOO LOO WENG SHUKU SHIKI PATA CHA UPATA YALI YO YO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I think I have a 2004 DVD, how different is it from the theatrical?
Not that much but there's a few added scenes and altered ones in cloud city.
added cgi shit
I'm surprised this bothers people. Y'all watching CGI movies already so why does it matter if they do it with an old one?
>Y'all
Please frick off back to X
>Y'all
have a nice day homosexual
because i want to see the original
Lucas was such a shitter he changed some of Vader's lines in ESB.
like you dont have the box set of special editions that have the theatrical in like 720p lol I do haha
We always intended George to be cgi, we just didn't have the technology back then
if youre an artist, you know the phenomena of being obsessed with a certain piece of work you did, you love it soo much you cant let it go till its unrecognizeable. there has to be a term for it
>obviously-interior hallway suddenly opens to the windy outside that's thousands of feet in the air without a door
Bravo, George.
Because cloud city needed more CLOUDS!
Artists going back to redo their past works is not uncommon. Even Hackson did it just recently, arguably for the worst.
The backlash against this has nothing to do with the quality of the movie, but the army of dysgenic manchildren somehow feel like these are their movies because they bought Star Wars toys as kids, so George did something without consulting them
Lord of the Rings is the only other mainstream slop I can think that rivals Star Wars slopdom. The amount of homosexuals who cum over these movies is unreal. The books mog them so fricking hard it's hilarious.
>Artists going back to redo their past works is not uncommon. Even Hackson did it just recently, arguably for the worst.
The LOTR remasters aren't intended to change anything, the issue is that they can't replicate the exact same thing because its 15 years later and they're working with completely new methods for the mastering process.
Even Irvin Kershner approved these changes. He hated the sense of Cloud City being endless hallways.
Hacks gonna hack. Plus, he was super jealous at how well ESB did when he wasn't calling the shots, so he especially fricked that one up.
kids won't notice
The original trilogy worked because more hand were involved to keep Lucas' moronation in check.
The prequels and constant special editions of the originals were George Lucas with no buffers. No one to say "No George, that's stupid."
No editor wife to run idea past and refine them with.
Pretty much my thoughts too.
people tend to forget stuff like this
>Cloud City
>It's just a lot of running around through identical corridors like a shit episode of Doctor Who
George was right to go back and fix it
Yes, much like Scott was right to fix a bunch of stuff in Blade Runner. Difference is that Scott wasn't a moron and made the unfinished workprint, the theactrical cut and the director's cut available
GEORGE NOOOO
My first inclining that George Lucas was not the man I thought he was when ESB SE came out in February 1997. George adds a scream to Luke when he falls off into the abyss. WHY? Vader's line "Bring My Shuttle" is changed to "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival". WHY!?!?! May 1999 proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that George Lucas was a hack.
yep. boomers (the actual boomers) figured out in the 90s to early 2000s that george lucas was a complete fraud carried by other creatives into a position he never deserved. they figured this out by having the original trilogy on VHS so they could compare it and george couldn't memoryhole shit like greedo having NEVER SHOT, or the original weird looking emperor. boomers made sure I started with the originals so I remember the weirdly feminine looking original emperor and well paced editing that isn't derailed by big CGI animals or cars added in the foreground. the colors were also so much nicer.
Haven't they figured that out with the Star Wars Holiday Special already?
My parents also used to show me the VHS versions (recorded from German TV) which at least didn't have the CGI shit but I think those versions weren't 1:1 theatrical either.
TV versions are always cut to shit, both in terms of actual scenes missing entirely (to retain something like a 2 hour, 2:30 max run-time WITH ADS) and in terms of cropping all frames to fit the old 4:3 standard.
the earliest VHS releases were close or identical to theatrical I think. also they had black bars but I doubt they were full width. probably for the best on a 4:3 TV.
Yeah I thought so, at least there wasn't any CGI shit in them. Regarding the length I do think they were full runtime, probably some late night screenings.
I take your point
>Haven't they figured that out with the Star Wars Holiday Special already?
No because that was very clearly a made for TV cash grab and what followed it was one of the best sequels ever made which solidified Star Wars as a permanent fixture of pop culture. Like if someone made a Matrix christmas special in 2000 and it turned out shit nobody would've really cared.
I'm not a boomer. I'm the last of Gen-X. Boomers are my parents.
He didn't. I grew up with the edited versions and when I went back and watched the original I couldn't believe how bad some of the scenes (like your pic) were.
He made them how he would have if the tech had existed at the time. They are the improved and true versions according to his vision.
um can you not
A New Hope is fine.
Empire Strikes Back is easily the most kino of them all.
Return of the Jedi is okay.
Clone Wars TV series was surprisingly good for the most part, mainly due to consistent character growth and it seemed more adult oriented than a lot of other SW stuff.
Everything else George made can suck a dick of varying degrees.
I don't find Phantom Menace quite as offensive as other people, probably just because they didn't have access to quite as much 3D crap.
But Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are hands down the worst movies, due to extremely fricked up CGI that looked very dated even at the time.
Lucas is a genuine moron in one seen in THX 1138 the shell dwellers are midgets in costume and then the next they're CGI monkeys
Which prequel is this? Havent seen them in 20 years so i dont remember
The Special Editions are his worst sin by far. Not content to ruin Star Wars for future generations, he had to go back and ruin it in the past as well. Absolute madness. Perhaps America's worst mainstream filmmaker
i like that change. they fricked up the characters' reflections though.
Man i wish George Lucas still made movies, with today's tech he'd achieve Cameron levels of CGI filmmaking
The changes in Star Wars (1) alone are fricking moronic. The name change alone is insidious, it's called Star Wars, not Episode IV - A New Hope. This is so confusing to new comers and it is unfathomable that he was just allowed to do that decades after release.
The CGI dinosaurs obscuring the view are such a stupid and detracting addition. This is so dumb and actually indefensible.
Then the fricking awkward and jerky looking scene with Han Magically dodging a bullet like a Jedi on crack, all to completely change his character introduction from actual scoundrel to inoffensive "good guy" with an attitude.
And then the moronic reintroduction of the Jabba scene, complete with the tail stepping "gag". This is prequels level 50s Diner scene bad, this is what George wanted and why he created JarJar.
Frick you George and frick you George defenders. The man is an imbecile. He ruined his fricking movies and refuses to properly release the original versions. Every time somebody young watches the first Star Wars movie, they're gonna end up watching the crappy version unless they have a sperg friend who makes them watch the 4k77 version.
It is so sad and infuriating.
>Star Wars
>Star, singular
>Wars, plural
>there's way more than one star, and only one incredibly long war
It should be called Stars War
You can't even count the 2011 blu ray releases as the original movies. I sat down earlier this year to watch the OG trilogy after not watching them for easily 15+ years and was shocked to see some of the greatest effects ever for the 70s. It wasn't till after the movie where i googled and subsequently found out that they added all this CGI and practical effects 40 years after the release and try to sell it off as the original movie.
every creative butthole has a streak of neuroticism in them to perfect what they've already created and ol' georgie boy happened to have the deep pockets to go absolutely apeshit in that regard
We like to shit on Star Wars, but at one point in our lives, what was once a living subculture will be dead with the generation that made it live. Like when the fans of Cleopatra and Ben Hur died.
That day, we will miss Star Wars.
What are you talking about? I already miss Star Wars. There hasn't been any real Star Wars since Return and that one could've been better.
hate the lack of llm from the kids on here
https://www.anthropic.com/index/claude-2-1-prompting
meme infographic btfo
>zoomer prequel contrarians defend this
Plinkett mindbroke these morons.