Why did it take 36 years for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to finally act like teenagers?
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Why did it take 36 years for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to finally act like teenagers?
Why did it take 36 years for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to finally act like teenagers?
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what about Next Mutation?
Because Mayo Monkeys were straight cappin frfr
>Teenagers
You mean broccoliheads?
They always acted like teens
You just can't comprehend things that happened before you were born because underages nowadays seem to have this belief that the world began with them
It's the weirdest thing. At what point did these morons become unable to process that the world was different before they were born.
You mean brown Tiktok mutts but that is how things are and how they'll continue to trend so valid point.
>muh real teens™
Well, paramount shill, it's because you're fricking moronic and don't know what teens are actually like, why they were called the TMNT in the first place, and because you have shit taste.
people with low intellect and high egotism tend to perceive themselves as the default, and assume everything else is not real
it's the same reason why people on Cinemaphile constantly ask "WHY DID THIS MALE CHARCTER DO [literally anything else] INSTEAD OF BENDING THE FEMALE OVER AND PLAP-PLAP-PLAPPING HER RIGHT THERE!?" and why fat women cry that skinny/curvy/otherwise attractive women are "impossible" and "unrealistic"
likewise, idiot modern kiddies think they're the arbiters of normalcy and nothing that happened before them is real
The worst part is that it's a lot of older people who are most commonly doing this "they finally sound like real teens!" shit, which I cannot understand at all. Even their mental image of zoomers being hyperactive morons who never shut up about k-pop and Mark Ruffalo and blurt out how much they love anime all the time. If I were under the age of 20, I'd be insulted that Mutant Mayhem thinks modern teens were like. It's the fricking Big Bang Theory all over again.
>Even their mental image of zoomers being hyperactive morons who never shut up about k-pop and Mark Ruffalo and blurt out how much they love anime all the time. If I were under the age of 20, I'd be insulted that Mutant Mayhem thinks modern teens were like. It's the fricking Big Bang Theory all over again.
That was a completely accurate depiction of how most zoomers act
It really fricking isn't.
Erm are you from Ohio? Just capping bro on God. Say less.
Even your mental image of teenagers is just tiktok memes and all shit from the last few months, and it's all the loudest, most obnoxious stuff that breaks containment for being loud and obnoxious, not for being normal.
I know that's the lie that you tell yourself to convince high schoolers to hang out with you, but that is how they act.
a lot of older people today either don't remember being kids, or worse, they've been so browbeaten by the younger gens who fundamentally hate their guts that they just decided to lay down and parrot everything they say
Because only woke dipshits want TMNT acting like moronic zoomers - also why the film FAILED and the merch got dumped.
I think the movie actually did well in the box office even though it was only like 150-200 million, because the budget was restrained compared to the recent Disney/Pixar animated movies
Paramount likely recouped their costs, at best, but the TMNT property has been a free money printer for decades. Even if the movie flopped, they probably would have racked up a billion in merch sales on nostalgic '87 TMNT merch like they do every year.
They were, they just weren't Zoomers (and that's a good thing).
Fortnite’s cinematic was cooler than the whole movie
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They had good Splinter and Shredder frsgjsb
>Why did it take 36 years for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to finally be voiced by teenagers?
ftfy
They always acted like teenagers. they just acted like the teenagers of the time.
This thread reminds me of a RIZZED UP ANIME I saw on the TIKTOK
They don't act like teenagers. I'm the mind of the audience, which is 12 year olds, teenagers are tall and cool. These things aren't cool. They're dorky and cutesy.
They don't
1. That movie came out 39 years after the TMNT debuted, not 36 and I'm not sure why you got that wrong.
2. It can hardly be the first attempt at doing so, you can see clear signs of them attempting this as far back as the early comics.
3. I'm guessing the reason you didn't get it is because it might not have fit a very narrow interpretation of how to write teenage characters but different writers don't necessarily approach the subject the same way.
4. If you you define "acting like teenagers" as "being immature", not only is that the most annoying thing about real teenagers and probably the least compelling way to write them, that was clearly the approach in the 90's movies, the 2012 cartoon, the PD movies and Rise. Maybe the MM turtles are the least mature but… Why do you like that?
5. If you define it as "making pop culture references all the time" that was also done before but that is and always was stupid.
6. And, I really like to stress this, why exactly do these mutated animals raised by a rat in seclusion from human beings need to behave exactly the way human teenagers do? Because they're explicitly 15 year olds? There are factors than age at play here, for all we really know, a mutated turtle might as well be an adult for all we know.
Because the Teenage Mutant part was added to poke fun at the New Mutant and Xmen books at the time. That part of the name was never meant to be taken seriously
Outside of that, the franchise up until like the 2012 show make it pr apparent that they're child soldiers. Makes sense that they aren't gonna be normal teens when they've trained all their lives atp to specifically kill one guy.
Said it plenty of times before, but they're teenaged to imply immaturity and inexperienced. People mistake that as meaning that they're supposed to be like actual normal children, even though the other 3 parts of their title are MUTANT NINJA TURTLES, which tell you a lot more about them as characters than what age demographic they belong to and which memes they should use.
I have yet to hear a concise argument on how the 2003 Turtles were not “teenage” enough and what measure is used for that
They acted like teenagers in secret of the ooze
They didn't do a cool hip hop dance
Boom, hip hop breakdance
Because people think teenagers should act like 6 year olds on meth and sound like they are going through the most nightmarish puberty you can imagine at all times.
Secret of the ooze exists anon.
They acted a lot like teenagers in 2012, and it just made everyone mad because they wanted to know why they were being so stupid.
Growing up, the TMNT felt like big bros
Then peers
Then damn kids
>all the upset oldgays itt
They acted like goofball teens of their era in the 80s, but the 2003 incarnation that everyone drums up definitely did not have the turtles act like teens. They acted like twenty-somethings in 03. With 2012, they acted a bit younger but more 17-19 year olds who watch too much anime instead of younger teenagers. Rise was a return to form in terms of teenage characterization, and Mutant Mayhem did an excellent job of continuing the trend.
>but the 2003 incarnation that everyone drums up definitely did not have the turtles act like teens.
How about you actually explain how they acted like twenty year olds?
>They acted like twenty-somethings in 03
Because they weren't nervous about talking to girls and wanting to go to the big promscoming dance?
I’ll take a Chad like 2003 Donnie any day over this simp
You say simp but he won the girl.
Became a sexless robot
Never watching Seth's TMNT.
They acted like TV teenagers in early cartoons, and TV teenagers were much older kids (sometimes young adults) using cheesy slang and acting much cooler than they were.
Child + teen acting agencies are much more active now as laws change, so now they act more like BELIEVABLE teenagers, aided by the fact that they're actually voiced by teens. This is different from REALISTIC teenagers who are really fricking embarrassing, awkward, and say some of the dumbest shit around. The new TMNT are not nearly as cringey as real high schoolers.
>so now they act more like BELIEVABLE teenagers
Nothing believable about 4 mutants raised by a rat in a sewer on random scraps of pop culture acting like they were born with a smartphone in their hands, raised by tiktok influencers, and socialized in US public school.
When this came out the promotion kept touting “it has actual teens voicing the characters!” and then i started hearing morons parrot that like it was a big plus for the movie.
I don’t remember who voiced the characters ever being a problem before, though. Did i miss all the criticism of “I’d like TMNT except there are adults voicing the main characters?”
Question:
Out of 1987, 2003 and 2012 series, which would you recommend to someone the most? I watched some of 2003 one as kid and might be leaning towards watching that one but I wouldn't say no to the other two.
2003 from season 1-4 is probably the most even handed overall. 2012 might have higher highsbut I find the characters obnoxious. the first 3 seasons of 87 are pretty funny, but the best is the opening multiparter. Then it gets serious in the last 3 seasons, but not particularly great.
It’s easy to forget because most of the time they are not in a “typical teenager” environment. They’re not dealing with teenage problems like high school and dating as you’d normally see from teen protagonists. 2012 and Rise brought out their teenage aspects too, it's just that Mutant Mayhem made them even younger to highlight their immaturity.
"Teenagers" is that what he calls it?
The CGI show had them acting like teens.
At the very most, it comes down to Mutant Mayhem using younger actors for the voices, but that's not really a good thing when they sound as bad as they do, have no personality, and are still written by a bunch of middle aged israelites who never worked on a kids' cartoon before.
I mean they're trying but the best way to deal with it would basically be to make them go to theme parks/skate parks/malls together and try to write the dialogue based on how they interact together but hey show-business ain't in the business of taking more time to develop relationships between actors to create a better character chemistry. What the hell do you think it is? Theater(re)?
The best way to deal with it would be to not let Seth Rogen and guys who have only ever worked on Seth Rogen movies write a TMNT movie because Seth fancies himself the most powerful manchild in hollywood.
I don't think it's a problem if we force Seth to be their babysitter for paintball games and shit, but the problem is he's got kinda a shit brain and he's a manchild so we need someone autistic as frick and completely devoted to remembering everything. A Daniel Day Lewis type. or regrettably and probably given the way Hollywood works, Leonard DiCapario
Look up the list of writers for MM. It's all guys who have only worked on or with movies starring or produced by Seth Rogen and nearly all of them are slop that you've probably never heard of. Rowe is the only one with a background in animation because he worked on Mitchells vs the Machines, and I don't personally think that's a good thing. You need writers who actually give a frick about what they're working on, have experience with stories that aren't DUDE WEED LMAO, and aren't shackled by some manchild homosexual's brain damaged ideas.
Didnt the 2012 version made a big deal about them acting like "real teens" and even redesigned april into a teen because the showrunner found weird that an adult woman was hanging out with a group of 15 year old mutantes?
Because nobody actually wants to read about TEENAGERS. They want to read about NINAS.
>NINAS
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Am I fricking crazy for thinking they've always acted like teenagers they're irrational and stupid but endearing they always learn lessons and beat the bad guys cause they're cool ninjas who also happen to be turtles
>Am I fricking crazy for thinking they've always acted like teenagers they're irrational and stupid but endearing they always learn lessons and beat the bad guys cause they're cool ninjas who also happen to be turtles
They've always been childish for sure, but being childish doesn't make you teenage. Frat bros are a perfect example of this, which is what the 03 turtles feel like more than teenagers. Brother Mikey from 03 is childish but still mature enough to handle beer runs, talking to the cops, and paying his part of the rent money. Not a single one of the 2012 or Rise Turtles could be tasked with those things.
Every other version of the turtles had them with a streak of immaturity. Fighting amongst themselves. Cracking stupid jokes. Anxieties about their responsibilities and living up to expectations. Skateboarding, video games, pizza, etc. "Acting like teenagers" encompasses a massive variety of behaviors and the turtles always fall comfortably inside that, with some added quirks because they're also ninja crimefighters who live in the sewer. Rise isn't even that different from 2012 because both versions have them being a little younger and more bombastic, while also being inexperienced with crimefighting.
Mutant Mayhem takes that formula and dillutes it even further to where their ninja training exists only so they can shoplift and stay away from humans. They don't even think that they could fight anyone until the 2nd act of the movie. They only even think about doing it because they think it will make people like them, because they are 90% "teen" in their characterization, which is just more heavy handed pop culture references and quirky mumbly dialog, and 10% mutant ninja turtles.
https://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2014/02/what-happened-to-teenage-in-teenage.html?m=1 this topic was already adressed in the year 2014. As usual, Cinemaphile is behind the times.
>Fast forward to the 4Kids animated series from 2003 and we see much the same thing. Although their family dynamic was restored, there was still little to connect them with being teenagers. They still hung out with adults like April and Casey, which in itself could become a little weird and problematic. You have the Turtles, 15, treating Casey, 23, as a bumbling tagalong. All of a sudden the adult character is the sidekick to the teenage characters, who constantly regard him with sighs of exasperation or bemusement. I mean, it doesn’t help that the 4Kids cartoon had one of the worst depictions of Casey Jones in any adaptation, but the point is that the 23 year-old characters were peers to the 15 year-old characters at best (April) or their worthless comic relief frickup hanger-ons at worst (Casey).
What a shit take and doesn’t even address why they feel the 2003 versions don’t count as teenagers. Also teens having adult friends isn’t really problematic and judging by the 2012 wank, just some Nick shill
People who don't actually care for TMNT that much have adopted very strong opinions about this movie and TMNT as a whole for reasons I can't understand. Push them enough and they'll eventually just blurt out that they never liked any of the other TMNT cartoons and didn't watch them anyways, even though they've been talking like they're lifelong fans who enjoyed every previous iteration, but like this newest one the best.
Could we talk about the elephant in the room surrounding this movie?
TMNT never acted like real teenagers, they acted like teenage superheroes from the 1980s, because that's what they were a parody of. You have to understand the context before it makes sense.
>Why did it take 36 years for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to finally act like teenagers?
It didn't.
The problem isn't that they never acted like teenagers, the problem is that modern teenagers act like children
The most spoiled, moronic ones do. There's no reason for the TMNT to act that way.
They acted like teens in every incarnation, the only difference is their 'age'
1987, 2003 and live action were older teens
2012 and Rise were mid teens.
The most recent movie (and upcoming show?) were young teens
No it was teens themselves that changed. The bar for maturity has changed every generation and now even 20 somethings act like teens used to.
It took their audience about the same amount of time
They always acted like contemporary teens in that they had aloof personalities. It's just that things changed a lot since the 80s. There are far more neotenous materials dumped in the food chain so teens and adults end up looking younger for longer and longer, and due to crap like making money out of playing games and living with their parents, they have to share less and less responsibility and can act as kids for longer.
So the 80s Turtles acted like teenagers in the 80s did, which would be how young adults act today. 2020s Turtles act as teenagers in the 2020s, which is closer to how kids acted in the 80s.
Also the Turtles don't deal with average teenager problems on a day to day basis. they are fighting off bank robbers and evil ninja robot armies equipped with lasers, or doing time travels and fighting alien warlords from dimension X, which is a bit more responsible than what the average human teenagers do at any age.
I think this is a very thoughtful explanation for a larger cultural issue with maturity and growing up. However, I think the simpler explanation for why the Rogen turtles are so fricking obnoxious and awful is because some out of touch middle aged hollywood guys went
>what do kids like?
>what's trending online?
>K-pop?
>Kids like cartoons right? Hey little kid we hired, what anime is popular?
They even talked about their earlier drafts where they had the turtles start the movie in high school, so they wrote them as cliches of school kids, like the nerd and the class clown. There's even that early draft of the script where they introduce all the turtles and all they've got is shit like Mikey recording a skit video. Donnie playing video games. Raphael wanting to fight.
They simply had no idea who these characters were supposed to be, what teens are like, and then they just crammed in 1-dimensional stereotypes instead. It's why the climax of the movie is "Do improv? ANIME!!! Be loud! Teamwork!" Because the writers are incompetent simpletons.
>shit like Mikey recording a skit video
Hello, my name is Michelangelo, welcome to Jackass
>Mikey gets shot out of a cannon
>Corona by The Minutemen starts playing
teenagers were in a rush to be adults but didnt know what that meant. now people can be 28 and consider themselves kids OMG BRO DONT YOU SEE BRO IM STREAMING HERE! EXCUSE ME BRO!