Why did Jango Fett use Kaminoan poison darts to kill the shapeshifted in the attack of the clones?
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Why did Jango Fett use Kaminoan poison darts to kill the shapeshifted in the attack of the clones?
Why did Jango Fett use Kaminoan poison darts to kill the shapeshifted in the attack of the clones?
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his typical sabre darts were really hard to come by on kamino which was cut off from the rest of the galaxy. since he was secluded there for several years, he had to buy local.
>BREAKING NEWS: Jango Fett burns local
always knew he was a real one
Palptaine told him to because he foresaw Kenobi would go to Kamino, find the clone army, go to Geonosis, get captured, forcing Yoda and Windu to get the clone army, take it to Geonosis, start a war and use the clones that were secretly preprogrammed to kill all the Jedi.
Duh.
Did Palpatine also know Kenobi was going to Dex's Diner?
there's some deleted scenes of palpatine at dexter's diner that are hilarious
Where can I learn more? Is there footage?
They're pointless. He comes in, orders a Shawda club sandwich, Photon Fizzle, and one slice of Kowakian crumb cake and just sits in a corner booth without saying anything.
Anakin still orders from the kids menu
>tried ordering from the adult's menu once
>this course is irritating....
its a joke
kek i remember that deleted scene
palpatine gets mad that ted danson also has a sandwich on the menu named after him that's actually a lot nicer than palpatine's
>palpatine gets mad that ted danson also has a sandwich on the menu named after him that's actually a lot nicer than palpatine's
lost
Yes, Palpatine also knew what the lunch special was that day
mmmmm… jawa juice 🙂
holy sh!t
All jedi go to Dex's diner, its the only place open 30/15.
the molecularly agitated oograba cheese sandwiches are good eatin'.
Yes Palpatine goes to the Early Bird special for seniors every chance he gets.
Nice head canon.
Isn't it necessarily this though? Doesn't the trilogy not make sense without this? At what point, then, was the republic going to take up the clone army? They didn't even know about it and the whole palpo plan was to have the clones fight the robots, no?
yes, Palpatine hired jango so he would get killed and/or draw them to kamino
its almost like the entire story of the prequels was indeed poorly planned out and pretty much relies on a massive amount of convient things happening for the plot to happen
And this isn't the case for the OT?
>Palpatine conveniently letting Vader's idea of turning Luke be the new plan and acting like it's some brilliant idea he hadn't thought of
>Luke happening to crash land right next to Yoda on a whole planet
>Luke b***hing about how impossible it is and how he doesn't believe that Yoda just lifted the X-Wing all the way out of the water, when he just almost did it himself five seconds ago
>imperial walkers being the least logical vehicle ever
etc etc etc
These are very desperate complaints.
Not at all, even as a kid I found complaint 1 and 3 especially to be poor writing. 2 and 4 only annoyed me later.
Anon, please. Luke's surprise is pretty easy to understand given the gap in his performance and Yoda's. He's barely able to lift it at all and then sits down out of breath. And none of your complaints compare to the entire foundation of the prequels being consistently moronic.
>He's barely able to lift it at all and then sits down out of breath
Yeah exactly, he literally lifts it, just not all the way. And then acts like just being a bit more "in shape" with the force than he is is literally impossible. moronic.
>And none of your complaints compare to the entire foundation of the prequels being consistently moronic.
In what way do they not?
Palpatine not only going with but acting like Vader's idea is so great only because the plot needs him to is stupid.
You minimize the OT's flaws and exaggerate the PT's.
Why? Battles can be chaos, jammed communications, fake info, orders to not let Grevious ship leave no matter what, etc...
Goddamn you're a brainlet. You deserve Attack of the Clones.
I accept your concession.
You're stupid. Anakin, Obiwan and their entire squad of clones are leading the rescue mission.
Everyone knows that Palpatine is inside.
If they can't properly communicate in the chaos "don't touch the ship of grievous, sheev is inside" then the rescue shouldn't even had happened.
I just don't see why it's a problem, plenty of things can go wrong or become crosswired in a battle like that. There could be hundreds of reasons why that ship fired. Grevious could have sent a holovid of Anakin and Obi Wan in handcuffs for frick's sake.
So it's a reason to murder the ship with the fricking SUPREME CHANCELOR, the ultimate boss of the clones inside?
If they alternative is Grievous getting away with him succeeding in his incursion, yeah. Better the military leader of the seps goes down too than he executes Palp live on the holonet later.
The clones don't make these kind of choices. Their number 1 mission is to serve and protect the chancelor at all cost.
If the chancelor tells them "the separatists are our friend now and I'm the emperor btw" they are okay with it.
>The clones don't make these kind of choices.
I'm not saying they did, in this hypothetical it would have been a contingency order.
>you can't even say they couldn't do that since the opening scene of a New Hope is the empire doing exactly that
...to a much weaker vessel
if anything just taking out the engines for a flagship instead of a tiny ship would be far easier since its much bigger target and you have far more room for error
Not really. Weaker ship, weaker defenses. Capital ships can presumably resist turbolasers much more than Leia's dinky shuttle.
they could just do a precision strike on the engines and make it go dead in the water, you can't even say they couldn't do that since the opening scene of a New Hope is the empire doing exactly that
>could have sent a holovid of Anakin and Ovi Wan in handcuffs
wouldn't that be even more reason to not fire on on that ship
>Yeah exactly, he literally lifts it, just not all the way. And then acts like just being a bit more "in shape" with the force than he is is literally impossible. moronic.
It's baffling to me there are people who still aren't able to grasp this stuff. Luke's surprise stems from his misunderstanding of the force. He still assumes that to be a powerful Jedi you have to be a powerful warrior, his approach to using the force reflects that and it limits him. He assumes that if he can't lift the ship with all of his perceived strength, then it must be just too difficult a task. When little/old/weak Yoda can lift the ship with relative ease, it's a shock to him and helps him better understand that power in the force isn't necessarily about might or force of will.
Of course the prequels end up ruining all the spiritual aspects of the force anyway, so I guess it makes sense you're not capable of understanding basic scenes like these if you're defending them.
>Luke JUST SO HAPPENS to crash RIGHT near where yoda LIVES? Uh.... PLOT HOLE! *ding*
have a nice day
>Palpatine conveniently letting Vader's idea of turning Luke be the new plan and acting like it's some brilliant idea he hadn't thought of
Maybe he was just shocked that Vader thought of it too and agreed?
>Luke happening to crash land right next to Yoda on a whole planet
Well, when he enters the planet's atmopshere he loses control of his x-wing. Couldn't it be that Yoda takes control of it and crashes it on purpose? Yoda does know he's coming after all, which is why Yoda finds Luke.
>Luke b***hing about how impossible it is and how he doesn't believe that Yoda just lifted the X-Wing all the way out of the water, when he just almost did it himself five seconds ago
He only did the first part and it exhausted him. It's similar with trying to move an object too heavy for yourself, you may get it off the ground for a split second, but you can't move it before your exhausted.
>imperial walkers being the least logical vehicle ever
Yeah, but it's cool. It leads to one of the best action scenes in any movie (tow cables). When I watch the scene I don't drift off and start thinking about how they could have used better vehicles because the movie is so fricking good I don't care. That's the difference.
What you're doing is called "Grasping at straws".
>When I watch the scene I don't drift off and start thinking about how they could have used better vehicles because the movie is so fricking good I don't care. That's the difference.
But I don't notice the equally handwavable PT plotholes because I find those films to be good- that doesn't constitute a defense if it's only a valid excuse when it applies to *you*.
>What you're doing is called "Grasping at straws".
No, what you're doing is minimizing for one trilogy and nitpicking for the other.
>But I don't notice the equally handwavable PT plotholes because I find those films to be good- that doesn't constitute a defense if it's only a valid excuse when it applies to *you*.
Well, you did not mention any plot holes of the OT. Using an inefficient vehicle =/= plothole. It could be considered "silly" at worst, but not a plothole. I don't think arguing with someone who does not know what a plothole is can be a healthy experience.
>No, what you're doing is minimizing for one trilogy and nitpicking for the other.
Nope. You have failed to provide any counter arguments, probably because you don't know the definitions of the language you are using for said arguments.
>Right, and Luke would be an idiot to think that someone who has been hitting the gym much longer being able to do it would be impossible.
I don't think Luke knows what Yoda can or cannot do. He says it's impossible because he's frustrated. He's using appropriate language for his situation and emotional state. See, unlike the prequels, the characters in the original movies do have emotions, express said emotions appropriately, and have character defining traits that logically explain their emotional status to the audience.
>Well, you did not mention any plot holes of the OT. Using an inefficient vehicle =/= plothole. It could be considered "silly" at worst, but not a plothole. I don't think arguing with someone who does not know what a plothole is can be a healthy experience.
pedantry means you have no argument
>You have failed to provide any counter arguments
My counter argument is that you have a double standard.
>I don't think Luke knows what Yoda can or cannot do. He says it's impossible because he's frustrated. He's using appropriate language for his situation and emotional state.
He just comes off as stupid. He doesn't just say "damn that's crazy I didn't think was possible", he says that yoga wants the impossible and then when Yoda doesn't he still doesn't believe it and Yoda tells him he failed. I get the intent of the scene but Luke takes stupid pills for it to work.
>See, unlike the prequels, the characters in the original movies do have emotions, express said emotions appropriately, and have character defining traits that logically explain their emotional status to the audience.
The prequels have that though. Now we're back to your double standard.
When Luke gives it a try he actually manages to lift it for a little while. The fact that someone with a ton more training can do what he did but with less struggle shouldn't be "impossible" in his mind. It's like they don't have the concept of learning and mastering things on Tatooine.
I didn't concede.
Arguments? Ad hom doesn't look good, chaps.
*and then when yoda does it
>I didn't concede.
I addressed your points and explained why they don't support your argument while also providing a defense explaining why Luke thinks the way he does at the point in the film.
If you want to ignore that then that's fine, I guess just pretending like an argument wasn't made is one way to cope after being btfo lol, best of luck to you anon
>and explained why they don't support your argument
You didn't.
>I guess just pretending like an argument wasn't made
I'm not pretending, you keep just saying that I don't get it in different ways, but there is nothing to get. Luke protests too much because the script is trying to wrench in a "big moment" without doing the work to make it make sense.
Luke acting like someone with a ton of training in the force being able to do what he half did already with like no training should not be particularly shocking.
Lucas should not have had Luke be able to lift the ship at all.
>When Luke gives it a try he actually manages to lift it for a little while.
With a lot of effort that leaves him gasping, unlike the rocks. He still believes there's a difference, so a difference is what manifests. Yoda's competence per se isn't what Luke doesn't understand. In fact, this is already addressed when Yoda emphasizes that if Luke shouldn't judge Yoda by his size the principle applies to this exercise, too. "Do or do not, there is no try." Luke is still trying, so he doesn't believe it. The statement isn't just about Luke being gung-ho. It's about why he's doubting.
This doesn't really further the discussion. It's not about why Luke couldn't do it, it's why he acts so shocked that someone with a ton of training can do what he almost did with almost no training.
Lucas should not have had Luke be able to lift the ship at all.
>This doesn't really further the discussion
Becsuse you're too fricking dumb to understand what Luke fails to believe despite the movie doing everything in its power to illustrate it. "Luke can lift the X-wing some therefore he should believe it can be lifted all the way!" completely ignores the context and even Luke's personality.
The only way in which it ignores Luke's personality is that it ignores that Luke wouldn't be that stupid.
No 20 year old who isn't an invalid should find it shocking to the point of denial that a mystic master with years of training can do things you cannot.
Because it's a self-imposed mental block. A mental block that's mitigated by discipline, yes, but a mental block. He doesn't even recognize the mental block for what it is, which is why he "tries" instead of "does." Why you find if hard to understand why Luke is immediately left in awe is beyond me. It's like you're willfully choosing to be moronic.
Again, No 20 year old who can breathe unassisted should find it shocking that a master can fully do what the novice just already half did.
Again, you are missing the point that's been explained to you over and over. Yoda being more competent is not the surprise. You are stupider than Luke ever was.
You just can't cope with being wrong on this issue.
I can't cope with your inability to comprehend a movie for children.
But I can, in fact it's your inability to see shoddy writing in a film for children that is the frightening thing here.
>It's similar with trying to move an object too heavy for yourself, you may get it off the ground for a split second, but you can't move it before your exhausted.
Right, and Luke would be an idiot to think that someone who has been hitting the gym much longer being able to do it would be impossible.
Clones has the most ridiculous plot of the prequels, maybe even worse than all the sequels. It literally gets dumber and dumber the more you think about it. It's like the film equivalent of that wojak whose brain converges into a black hole.
Why did they just use a random army of clones Sifo Dias allegedly ordered
They needed an army quick. Desperate times and they were commissioned by a Jedi master so they figured things were reletively kosher
I still don't get how the republic couldn't muster a standing army to deal with the CIS. It's 1000 worlds, should have been easy.
They made it seem like the Republic had absolutely no standing Army or Navy after being around for hundreds of years and being comprised of thousands of planets. Not even a regular peace keeping force? No defense budget or policies in place to raise militia from each contributing government of the Republic in case of conflict? Lol stupid
They relied on the jedi for shit like Naboo and were ineffective and terrible.
That's why the war was even able to start. The republic was complacent and decedent and a lot of planets signed on with the CIS because of it.
You also clearly saw in Ep1 that planets (like Naboo) had local security capableof handling most things, but not a full on multi planet war. Hence why the trade federation invasion was thought to be some exaggeration or not urgent.
>They relied on the jedi for shit like Naboo and were ineffective and terrible.
>That's why the war was even able to start. The republic was complacent and decedent and a lot of planets signed on with the CIS because of it.
>You also clearly saw in Ep1 that planets (like Naboo) had local security capableof handling most things, but not a full on multi planet war. Hence why the trade federation invasion was thought to be some exaggeration or not urgent.
All these things are true.
The more you look at the big picture the more you realize how shitty a government the Republic actually was. It was somehow both oppressive and unable to keep its citizens safe. Lol
>It was somehow both oppressive and unable to keep its citizens safe. Lol
So like any formerly White country today
>Bongistan Sand Land
>Formerly England’s
considering there are trillions on coruscant who never have seen the sun, whatever civilization was left on the surface has the republic to thank for
I wish there had been more works around the underworld or just life in corucant, imagine a planet sized city of kms of levels would mean billions would die every minute of just natural causes.
All their water and food had to come from somewhere and all their excrements should go somewhere.
I wouuld imagine there were not just bilions that never saw the sun but entire cities of canibals or aliens eating humans.
People living in country sized buldings who had never heard of jedis, sith or the republic.
Maybe entire levels of people not even knowing they are in a planet cause they never saw a star or even a another race.
The jedis being on coruscant should've turned them into schizos with all the people and force around them and you would need a milion of jedis to keep the peace only on the upper street level.
Its a shame most writers and Lucas can't into scale.
imagine the traffic daily in the sky, now with disney disruption of what hyperspace is you would have bilions of freighters crashing each other every minute
>I wish there had been more works around the underworld or just life in corucant
Too bad that idea for Kenobi doing noir detective jobs around the Coruscant underbelly never materialized.
kenobi on coruscant would've made zero sense, there was a cancelled game call 1313 I believe and also one of the original ideas for the force unleashed was about the crime in the coruscant underworld and was very dark, it even had a robot trying to become human killing people and taking their bones
writers love shit like this but it never makes sense cause what if he had killed him? they do this in many games too
>no you see I was helping you geting inside
oh really? how about when you were throwing misiles at me?
Star Wars has a lot of "just don't think about it" stuff where if you read into it too much it's almost as bad as 40k.
The movies don't really do a good job of showing that
I imagine the Republic had just recently (past century) assumed its centrality in the Galaxy by the time of Phantom Menace. One has to wonder how such a power came to be, with an interplanetary Senate representing diverse interests. With most of the planets inhabited by humans, it can only be assumed that they settled the galaxy fairly recently, and were the backbone of the Republic as it was on the rise, with insular planetary civilisations coming into contact individually, and only few disparate interplanetary realms coming to be brought into the fold, perhaps in the wreckage of some galaxy-spanning war between the Jedi-aided Republic and some Sith Kingdom. The Trade Federation to me represents a power that was eclipsed militarily but that is always struggling to gain control wherever there is weakness in the status quo.
You know they could make a series about this era, if they had talent.
They didn't really have a choice. It was that or instantly lose the war
Sheev's entire plan was to troll the Jedi with shitty droids until the clones were ready
holy cope
>buzzwords
great argument
Even back then while watching it in the theater, I was like “So, they found an army that was ordered into production by a Jedi who’s been dead for a decade, consisting of tens of thousands of clones of the guy who has been spending the entire movie trying to kill then, and they’re just going to go with it? Not even look into where the undoubtedly substantial amount of funds came from?” Not to mention how stupid it is that some random ass bounty hunter from the OT is now suddenly a central figure in the galactic conflict.
That movie was dumb as hell in just about every conceivable way, and its only redeeming quality at this point was that it had Herschlag at her prime, and wasn’t afraid to show her off.
Lucas was too busy stroking it to the thought of all the money he was going to make off of merchandise bevause of le Fetts.
The prequels are stupid movies for stupid people.
after vader making c3po nothing really mattered aymore
>Even back then while watching it in the theater I was moronic
FTFY
They literally would have instantly lost if they hadn't taken the army. And Yoda literally says the shroud of the dark side has fallen at the end of the film. They know they are knee deep in the shit.
moron did you even watch the movie? The war was already planned. Armies were being built in secret, Geonosis just accelerated what was already going to happen.
there is nothing in the movies or even extend lore shit to justify this claim, that and if he wanted them to find the army by that point why not just have doku start making his move then reveal the clone army is a thing by having the kaminios contact them saying the army is ready, it would be more simple with far less room for error
The plan is sheer elegance in its simplicity.
Ahh yes, this is similar to how Palpatine convinced the Asian dudes to invade Naboo so that the two precise jedi, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, would conduct negotiations to the trade federation, and predicted exactly how the two jedi would behave and exactly how the asians would botch the job of killing them. Then Palpatine just exactly knew that they would have to land on tatooine at the exact location to go to the exact city when that exact sandstorm is blowing to meet Anakin, go to Anakin's house (adults going to a boys house), and prepare for that exact podrace that is happening in a few days. That Palpatine fellow is too fricking good at this.
Anyone who thought otherwise is a fricking moron and does not understand George Lucas and his masterful writing. Get the frick back to redtit b***hes.
Palp didn't even know Anakin existed before Qui Gon found him.
Next!
Uh, no? Sheev is annies force daddy
Not canon.
I'm about to take you to pound town. Apologize and agree with me or else.
PALPATINES BEHIND IT ALL
basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YWbqKVpwE
shaking my head at the thought that star wars has such a convoluted and ridiculous story. george lucas should've never been let anywhere near star wars.
that building was probaly shielded
A genuine classic, and the best Obi-pasta.
A bobafide classic
>no "Oh and that senator was your mother btw. "
why did he hire another bounty hunter to do his job?
Why did that bounty hunter hire a robot to hire some centipedes
wasn't that his gf?
>troony gf that can't do anything right dies due to an overdose
George was ahead of his time
Why did the Black Hand hire three young Bosnian Serbs to kill Franz Ferdinand?
>obi wan knows the clones are based off of jango and were commissioned by someone assumed dead
>later sees jango is working with palpatine
>blindly trusts the clones anyways
is he stupid or what
Jango sold his jizz to the republic and worked security for the trade federation. He's a mercenary. So what?
Yoda tells him to not assume anything
>a redditor sees his kids look like his wifes boyfriend but assumes they’re his
>later sees his wifes boyfriend have more kids with other mens wifes that look exactly like his kids
>blindly trusts his wife anyway
Is he stupid or what
He was just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe. Probably got them on sale or had a coupon.
Why did Kamino, of all places, even produce highly-volatile poison darts?
>an entire planet can only produce one thing
Your mom is a planet and she only produces one thing, shitty kids, i.e. you
Kamino is just a couple of cloud city platforms and some underwater warehouses to store Jango Fetts
Essentially a Jango jizz factory. The question is, what did they do before they were making a clone army?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kamino
>Major Imports: Foodstuffs
So this planet that is twelve parsecs (ha ha, get it?) inside the Outer Rim, 70,000 light years from the "core planets" and has been so isolated and mysterious for so long that people don't even know about it, and the ones that do think it's a legend or made up. Yet they evidently can't survive without importing "foodstuffs" from other systems, irregardless of their technological ability to replicate biological life?
>irregardless
Cut him some slack we spent our education budget on trying to lift up cavemen Black folk to bronze age behavior and bombs.
Irregardless sounds better in context. The only people who care about its usage are English majors, also known as people who flunked out of Business.
It's a big galaxy.
For you
cloning foodstuff is a power the kaminoans have yet to achieve
The might be importing food from another little known planet
That's fricking moronic though if they could fabricate full blown clone automation facilities they could build greenhouses underwater.
Not to mention that the entire planet is an ocean. They could just fish.
Maybe they want brand name space tendies
The republic was being run by a manipulative space wizard and was already heavily divided before the war started. Nobody is going to volunteer their flesh and blood to fight when the federal government has meat machines.
And the republic wanted a unified fighting force instead of 500,000 mixed planet armies full of aliens all infighting and being a burden even if they were willing.
If no one in the Republic can get along or support one another whats the point of being in the Republic? They may as well just go do their own thing at that point. Lol what did the Republic actually provide for anyone?
>Lol what did the Republic actually provide for anyone?
What every government beyond the local does:
Collect taxes.
they survive on their own food, but they also like importing droidslop processed food for snacks
they eat bounty hunters
Jango is a big eater.
Gee, maybe they’re importing food and trading with other planets that are nearby, making them equally distant from the republic
>irregardless
stupid mutt
>[unsourced headcannon]
>b-b-but a cereal box said one time that...
frick off with this shit
Tell me about Cad. Why does he wear the hat?
What the frick is this shit is this some unfinished deleted scene from one of the prequels? Why does it look like lower budget than a 2001 straight to dvd Sci fi movie?
its tv serial. its filmed in the starwars theme park on the weekends
I didn't know there was that much star wars corpse left for Di$ney to frick but here we are.
that's Bane
No, this is Bane.
>what if a barnacle became a sith?
Darth Mollusk
I'm not lichen that armor.
Underrated post.
Barnacle-head
>barnacle
>barnace
>barnae
>barne
>bane
>baneacle
The Rule of Two thing was always fricking dumb. The Sith in general are dumb.
Dooku had Ventress, Maul started his own branch of Sith, Vader tried to recruit Luke, plus you've got heaps of guys serving Palpatine which where Sith in anything but name.
One thing I liked about TRoS is the Sith Eternal cult - while they might not be Sith, they could become one if Palpatine needed them for that. Funny how Disney came up with this very sensible idea which does not break the Rule of Two but supports it
spaghettiface
I unironically like Bane's design. It's unique and grows on you.
>so infested with parasites that he has to wear a cage on his head to stop them from suffocating him
a cute
wait till you see her without makeup.
Yeah I always found her really attractive
modern Cinemaphile weebs would call this a troony because of
>le manjaw
Those honksters though
Do you think she and Jango...? You know...
Jango was probably all spunked out from jerking into cups on Komino all day.
I believe it was implied in the EU books, yes
>shows she can shapeshift
>this isn't used in any part of the assassination plot
>it was literally just an excuse to do a special effect
>prequel trilogy
>it was literally just an excuse to do a special effect
Many such cases
>many
it was 3
I am Le star wars costume design diversity hire. I must have impractical armor plates and paint them in matte finish and chip random spots.
Le perfection.
Why the frick didn't he go kill Padme while the jedi were off chasing the assassin he hired?
Because he's the worst bounty hunter ever. Basically dog the bounty hunter in space.
Anon have you seen pademe?
Prolly had to get back to Komino to avoid late fees from them babysitting Boba Fett
He had to make sure she didn't talk. Watch the movie.
I did watch the movie. What was she going to say "A bounty hunter hired me"
Big whoop, they figured that out pretty quick who he was seeing him fly away right in front of him, and him leaving a dart a specific people make. Hes a fricking idiot, or the writers are, or both
Kamino was erased from the archives. And Mando armor isn't that identifying.
Yeah because I'm sure there are so many mandalorians with a blue paint scheme flying around
>what is paint
I'm not saying it isn't a clue, but it's not like that armor even gives them a place to look really. Check Mandalore, he's not there. Now what?
He left a dart that comes from a specific place. A place that conspicuously has been erased from the jedi archives, even though everyone who knows about the planet knows exactly where it is. He couldn't have been more obvious if he stood right in front of Obi Wan with a bag of bread, throwing bits of it at him
>conspicuously has been erased from the jedi archives
meds moment
Well..it used to be..until they decided to add a whole Madalorian thing to Clone Wars and The Mandalorian and its like everyone and their mother has a set. I thought it was supposed to be rare and the Mandalorians were actually wiped out long before the clone wars even happened.
>man living on planet uses equipment from said planet
I swear people find the dumbest reasons to criticize these movies
>leave the most obvious trail when you're supposed to be the best at what you do
Kamino didn't exist in the Jedi records.
Had Kenobi not been friends with a being that could instantly recognize a Kaminoan saber dart on sight, Jango never would have gotten caught.
Yeah where did that shit come from.
"Find mysterious weapon used to kill someone"
"I know this guy who cooks up greasy eggs downtown who would know what this does!" Wtf Lucas
He was a good friend
From where? Serving Obiwan Grand slam breakfasts and chicken tendies at 2am during his death stick binging days?
except for the fact he could have just shot her which would leave less of a trail, you can't even say he was trying to be stealthy since he was out in plain view and using a sniper would mean he could be farther away meaning less likely to be seen, that and the massive plot convience of how despite said weapon coming from a planet so obscure it getting deleted in the jedi archives wasn't noticed, obi wan just so happens to know a guy who is so familiar with said planet he can instantly tell one of their products, its the equivlanet of some police officers needing to solve a case but the records of the very specific murder weapon don't exist so he goes to a giga autist who knows about one very specific village in bumfrick Siberia and it works
Speak English gaygit, what are you trying to say???
Attack of the Clones is the worst "movie" ever made.
Why didnt Dooku take Jango to the ChanPalSuRecon? They might have been able to save him
Because
its better to use all the great designs of the prequels and make your own head canon, that's what I do
dooku shoudn't have been a sith but a rogue jedi supporting the confederacy cause he prefered a dived galaxy over one controlled by the sith, he would not have been the one ordering the army and the neimodians would've stop working with sidious after phantom menace.
Weird because he was using those darts in the Bounty Hunter game before he ever went to Kamino.
They were probably buy one get one at Coruscants local Bass Pro shops
you dont need to go to germany to drive an audi
then how does finding a baddie leaving an audi behind mean that you have to trace him back to germany? the kaminoan sabre darts were well-known enough to be recognisable but yet werent exported at all by the money-grubbing kaminoans
they weren't recognizable dex was a connoisseur. that's why kenobi sought him out
>connoisseur
Yes..yes he was. Of what appeared to be greasy triple patty bacon cheeseburgers and probably a pint of bourbon in his morning coffee.
Why did obvious noncombatants like kaminoans produce poison darts in the first place?
why would they make clones with guns and armor
They made the clones and guns on order, duh, but the darts being identifiable specifically as kaminoan poison darts implies they used them themselves.
why not? we saw one city and imagine the wildlife there is
The implication is that Fett was specifically trying to bait Obi-Wan to Kamino to kill him.
But Fett clearly didn't expect him and tried to run away instead of killing him.
To lead the jedi to Kamino to discover the clones to gain an army to fight the separatist droids to give Palpatine power, pay attention.
yeah sure jango knew obi wan was friends with the only guy that could indicate the origins of the dart and dooku had erased kamino so they would find him and jango didnt try to kill obiwan in by using guns, a rocket launcher, the ship guns, the ship misiles and sonic bombs
>Be a bounty hunter
>Get asked to kill a woman
>Hire another bounty hunter to kill her (?)
>It's a shapeshifter
>Instead of infiltrating in the target's inner circles it turns into a random woman (??) then wears a mask (???) and sends a robot to kill the target (????)
>The robot gets into the target's room and instead of firing it sends 2 bugs to kill it (?????)
srsly what the frick lucas
makes zero sense, what it would've worked was if she had worked for the neimodians directly without dooku agreeing, and dooku would've sent jango to kill the assasin and avoid gunray to fricked it up again, or to use that to make them sign the treaty (wich they sing anyway even though amidal is alive)
her being a transformer also makes zero sense and offers nothing to the movie.
As a kid I thought the dart had some mutagen to turned her into a reptile to avoid her from being identified.
Considering the kaminoans clone people, this would've made more sense I believe.
>As a kid I thought the dart had some mutagen to turned her into a reptile to avoid her from being identified.
Same
I thought it was a poison that killed her and in turn shriveled her up. Then I saw the toy that had the changing face skin and I was like.."why does it come with the poison skin death face?..oooohh.."
another thing that never make sense is that dooku was right there in the fricking arena when the clones attack and then the clone ships left and go attack some place else and yoda says "we need to find dooku" while escaping from the arena.
And then dooku is magically some place else and gets a bike.
How did he go from the colisseum to the command center? a subway? my guess is the fight between clones and droids was gonna happen before the arena fight
People complain about the Republic using an unknown army of clones as if IRL countries don’t make the most absolutely moronic decisions available, such as the US funding Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, et al only for them to turn against America. You homies are moronic, as if the Republic wasn’t a weak-willed oligarchy where a few thousand select corrupt senators and noblemen ruled over trillions of people . If there was no flaws in the government there would be NO WAR. And this is coming from someone who dislikes AotC almost as much as the Yidsneyslop sequel trilogy.
It would've been cool if we had seen any of that
Not really an apt comparison, the USA didn't make Osama Bin Laden et al their only standing army
So does Sheev frick, or did he make Rey's dad by cloning himself?
Both
Having it just be a clone body his soul escapes too like in the EU makes more sense than Rey's dad being Palatine's son
as a dark empire enthusiast I felt so vindicated with the last movie, seeing disney copying and failing and all the nufans nerds pretending they were ok with the emperor while they made fun of the eu
>all the nufans nerds pretending they were ok with the emperor
This didn't happen. Even people that liked TFA and/or TLJ shat on TROS. It was the most widely hated Star Wars movie since AOTC.
I think it united the fandom back. No matter if you loved or hated TLJ, the next movie was agreed by everyone to be absolute dogshit.
Yeah, after TFA I still had hope, thinking it could redeem itself and it still had 2 movies to make a good story. After TLJ I knew it was ogre.
AOTC was beloved by fans on release
all the hate was manufactured by talk show hosts on comedy central
Port man tumy
no, we just were happy there was no jar jar stepping on poo and geting farted on but then lucas made one last frick you to the fans and made jar jar felow delegates be the thing that catapults palpatine into becoming the emperor
Of course, leave it to frickin Jar Jar to usher in an age of darkness, suffering and tyranny
we dont talk about the sequels here
>changling gets shot with dart
>Obi wan looks up and back at the changling
>"Who was your employer!"
>"M-mandolorian..*dies*"
>obiwan goes to dexter jextar
>"I'm looking for an assassin a...mandolorian"
>"oy vey obiwan my good friend who i've known for years and went on many adventures with, mandolorians don't normally assassinate they consider it dishonorable(making up my own lore as we go btw). The only ones that would do that kind of work are exiles. Do you remember his insignia? I have a contact who...dables in these kind of things my good friend obiwan who I've known for years and this isn't the first time we are talking."
>*obiwan goes to a bounty hunters den, levels down below the surface, rhyming once again with the cantina scene exotic and dangerous looking aliens stare*
>obiwan walks up to the tender
>"What can I get ya?"
>"I'm looking for an assassin. A...mandolorian assassin. "
>*bartender looks suspiciously*
>"and what does a JEDI*says it disgustedly* need with one of those."
>"Personal business. I've used him before and he's quite effective. Here's his insignia"
>*shows the a datapad with jangos insignia*
>Bartender doesn't even look at it
>"We don't deal with assassins. Or jedi. We only hire bounty hunters."
>*obiwan begins to raise his hand to use the force suggestion on the bartender/proprietor but some other patron walks up*
>"I know that insignia. It's Jango Fett. The swamp rat stole a bounty from under me."
>It's a character from the famous bounty hunter scene from Empire, doesn't matter who just pick one.
>"He's working for the kaminoans. He rarely takes bounties anymore...heh, I thought he was dead until he showed up a cycle ago with his changeling to swipe my bounty."
And then the rest of the movie proceeds as it was. Wow, I just improved the movie in a 10 minute quick draft. You can thank me later.
yeah I also had thought of something like this, the club scene couldve been the one obiwan visited to find about a bounty hunter, it coud've been used to show us a bothan too or some kind of rogue underworld jedi like quinlan vos
Sounds lame and cliché, you must be a part of SAG AFTRA huh
Better than what Lucas wrote
>forgot to add *rain pounds the coruscant pavement*
how do they get to kamino now?
they dont, the kaminoans call cause they had a fricking army to deliver
imagine if it would've been like this, after the troony gets killed by jango the order says "time for persecuting bounty we dont have, a call from kamino we had, som army they say posses, go an ivestigate obi wan while anakin tries to frick padme"
and then obiwan would ask about the original clone and boom, its the fricking mandalorian that escaped
The same as the original movie
>>"M-mandolorian..*dies*"
I remember watching this with the captions on. She says something, something, schlemo. wtf does that even mean?
It's Sleemo that insult that I think Sebulba and young Anakin call each other during the pod racing parts of Ep 1.
>Sleemo was a Huttese insult, pronounced slay-mo, and literally translating as "slimeball"
The prequels were so bad.
the games, alien and ship designs were top though
A thermos of coffee from Glaxnar, the coffee planet
Damn that CGI looks rough
And yet prequelteens defend them and make 5 hour videos pretending they're good.
There is unironically nothing wrong with the diner outside of the fact that it's 2005 CGI
obiwan was suposed to use qui gon green lightsaber on this one acording to the concept art, would've been great
You know what doesn't leave a trace, Jango? Blaster fire.
Laser blasts are too loud
It's called breadcrumbs in storytelling. It was ment to lead the jedi to the cloning facility in order for the clone army to be revealed and palps could say, "Hey, we have these 2million clones soldiers lying around, why don't we use them to stop the seperatist? Eh?" In the senate just goes, yeah thats a good idea. then bam, clones wars.
if i ran you over with an audi and disappeared would you assume you would have to go to germany to find me?
I mean frick it's just a random entire planet 70000 light years away from the galaxy's center and not on any maps why not check it out?
If they only sold audis in germany to a select few living there...i might.
It's more like if you ran over somebody with an 85yo Nazi staff car, they'd probably go to Germany to find you
he just assumed kamino was such a big secret no jedi would have a diner alien buddy able to identify his darts
why didn't the jedi find it odd that the clone army that shows up to save them are clones of a bounty hunter working for a sith lord that mace windu just murdered in the arena? nobody asked "why is the new republic army made of clones of a sith ally?"
>Bankroll this massive fricking army, I wonder who the frick did
t. didn't watch the movie
Yoda literally says that the shroud of the dark side has fallen. He knows they are deep in the muck. But if they didn't take the army, Dooku would have immediately won.
Yes, they feel backed into a corner and grab the gun delivered to them. That doesn't justify the lack of attention given to it afterward, though.
Everything star wars related up to disney buying it can be summed up by this: george was a midwit
Nah. George is a genius. JJ Abrams is a midwit.
Lucas is a ha-
You don't actually want to invite that comparison. Unless this is a funpost.
Why don't I? Even on the topic of sequels within franchises, Spielberg loses. The Lost World has substantially lower RT score than Episodes 2 and 3, and is barely higher than Episode 1.
>Why don't I?
Because Spielberg blew Lucas the absolute frick out with not one but two movies the same year Lucas released the worst Star Wars movie not called The Rise of Skywalker.
Minority Report and Catch Me if You Can? Mid movies.
>Mid movies.
They aren't, but even if that were true that would still put them a league above the dire dross of Attack of the Clones.
War of the Worlds was a good movie though.
The worse part is ep3 where the clones sink the ship with Palpatine, Anakin and Obiwan inside.
the big question nobody ever seems to ask is how the frick the seperatist even became a thing, sure you can go on with your lore explanations of the republic being corrupt, but then you look at the seperatist top leadership who outside of doku were the type of people the seperatist were complaining about, Gunray being one of the top dogs alone should have killed off any support for it considering how he essentially invade a planet for some money
We got many rich morons being leaders in our own world so I don't have trouble believing that the seperatists are a thing in Star Wars
>why was star wars thing good?
>why was star wars thing bad?
Both are because George is a fat autistic moron
Who was in the right here?
Both kind of
One of the best scenes in the franchise.
>From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
One of the worst lines in the franchise.
Not got this meme. Anakin desperately trying to pretend his evil actions are rational or defensible. Trying to get Obi Wan to validate him. When Obi doesn't, he just switches to a monotone voice and resolves to kill him.
the "from my point of view" makes it sound like he doesn't have conviction, which is jarring. Anyway, the prequels probably have a hundred worse lines, including "My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!"
>he doesn't have conviction
He really doesn't have conviction, that's why he's looking for validation. He's essentially losing his mind.
>My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!
Problem being?
?
You would call this a plothole if it was in the PT.
No, I wouldn't homosexual. I'm not 12 years old and think slight plot convenience is an EPIC criticism
so he has conviction, but at the same time he doesn't have conviction. makes sense. I'm sure it was intentional and not just lazy writing.
It sounds incredibly stilted and cringe.
>so he has conviction, but at the same time he doesn't have conviction
wut
MY POINT is that it makes Luke look moronic. If he didn't already get that you could be powerful in the force without it being directly tied to being a "powerful warrior" by seeing a literal Grandpa being a badass AND whispering to him after his death, Luke is just dumb.
Which is my point, the scene makes Luke look really thick.
>durr prequels ruined my childooefdge diretg
cry more
>If he didn't already get that you could be powerful in the force without it being directly tied to being a "powerful warrior" by seeing a literal Grandpa being a badass AND whispering to him after his death, Luke is just dumb.
The last thing Luke sees Obi-wan do is just stand there and get struck down by Vader lol. At this point in the films Luke still thinks of the Jedi simply as powerful warriors, there's not much reason for him to think otherwise yet. And I'm not sure why hearing Obi-wan's voice a couple times would somehow make him understand how to become a Jedi like you're implying
Where are you getting the idea that Luke should just perfectly understand what it means to be strong with the force by this point in ESB? If you want to make an argument, you have to do better than just pulling stuff out of your ass
>durr prequels ruined my childooefdge diretg
lol also not an argument, anyway the prequels were my childhood Star Wars films
You are playing dumb, my friend.
reasons why Luke doth protest too much to Yoda lifting the ship:
-Luke literally already raised the entire weight of the ship, just not all the way
-Obi Wan was physically weaker than Luke but stronger in the force
-the concept of "train and you will get better at X thing" should not be alien, to anyone (BIG ONE)
-Luke should just already know that the force has nothing to do with physical size or muscles given that he wouldn't be able to lift his X Wing my standing under it and pushing up with only his muscles either
> -Luke literally already raised the entire weight of the ship, just not all the way
And it took everything he was capable of. The problem wasn't that he was still too weak in the force, it's that he still didn't understand the force and how to use it.
>-Obi Wan was physically weaker than Luke but stronger in the force
What's your point? From Luke's point of view, Obi-wan wasn't strong enough to defeat Vader and that's why he was killed.
>-the concept of "train and you will get better at X thing" should not be alien, to anyone (BIG ONE)
It's not alien to anyone in the film either? Luke's problem was that his approach to using the force was misguided not because he didn't understand 'training' as a concept lol
>-Luke should just already know that the force has nothing to do with physical size or muscles given that he wouldn't be able to lift his X Wing my standing under it and pushing up with only his muscles either
You seem to be under the impression that Luke's idea of powerful warrior is literally 'strong muscular dude', but that's not what's holding him back.
You're entire argument here is that:
>Luke should just know how the force works already and should not be surprised that Yoda could lift the ship when he couldn't
and so far you've only provided large stretches of conjecture and head canon. Again, there's no reason at this point in the films to assume that Luke should perfectly understand what it means to be a powerful Jedi master. That's his whole character arc through to the end of Return of the Jedi. Like maybe if Luke had seen Obi-wan also lift a huge ship with the force I could see where you are coming from, but that's not the case.
Honestly my impression is that you are mixing up what a you, a member of the audience understands vs what a character in a story understands, and you're just not able to reconcile the difference of context between those two things.
You have not actually addressed any of my points and are just playing dumb again.
Luke would not be able to eat food without a tube if he was consistently written as dumb as that scene.
Yes, I get what the writing was going for and what the story arc was, but that doesn't mean the execution (for that scene) was good. It wasn't, and you're not even giving a defense.
You just keep saying
>you don't le get it
>Luke would not be able to eat food without a tube if he was consistently written as dumb as that scene.
Now this is autism.
>Now this is autism.
Perhaps the same could be said for all prequelhomosexualry.
I addressed all your points, if you don't have anything else I accept your concession lol
>MY POINT is that it makes Luke look moronic
You're making yourself look moronic. Luke is left gasping for air after barely lifting it. Yoda then manages to gracefully lift it up and out of the water. He made it look as easy as lifting the rocks. Luke doesn't believe this, because to him there's a world of difference between small rocks and the X-Wing ("I'll give it a try"). This reaffirms the point Yoda already made, which is that the difference only exists in Luke's mind. "I don't believe it." "That is why you fail." You look even thicker than Luke.
>Anakin desperately
This is the problem. The entire conversation and Anakin's actions to this point demonstrate a complete lack of self-reflection, and an absolutist all-or-nothing attitude. Obi-Wan even points this out after Anakin reminds everyone of GWB. Yet here Anakin is, talking about his "point of view" like he isn't consumed with paranoia and anger but instead engaged in polite debate over a cup of coffee. It's completely unnatural sounding.
>Anakin's actions to this point demonstrate a complete lack of self-reflection
This just isn't true at all, even on Mustafar after he sacks the temple he is crying on the balcony. And he even tries to get Padme to see his point of view as well. The problem is that he's already so deep into a pit of denial and rationalization that he can't think straight. He just retreats into his rationazations and doesn't snap out of it until Luke is being killed by Palp.
Anakin essentially dies right after Obi Wan tells him he is lost. His voice becomes monotone and he just tells Obi Wan that he is going to kill him.
>This just isn't true at all
He starts choking to death the woman he was fixated on saving, and declares "If you are not with me you are my enemy." He's in turmoil but he's completely beyond "points of view." It's a clunky line in a bad movie.
>He starts choking to death the woman he was fixated on saving
Yeah, because he's falling to the dark side, dumbo. Imagine when your dad used to drink booze and get angry, like that.
>If you are not with me you are my enemy.
How does this contradict the later line? Anakin doesn't start the later conversation, Obi Wan does. Obi Wan says Palp is evil, which Anakin rebuts with the line in question. Anakin's state of mind is such that he is trying to convince himself that he is in the right, even after doing things like killing kids and choking his entire reason for doing any of this. He is going insane and is looking to Obi Wan to validate his insanity. When Obi Wan doesn't, Anakin just goes monotone and resolves to kill him.
>Yeah, because he's falling to the dark side, dumbo
That's the point, my sweet little prequelteen. He's emotional and beyond reason. Why is he considering points of view? You're a clunky thinker making bad posts.
>He's emotional and beyond reason. Why is he considering points of view?
Obi Wan brought it up, and Anakin is seeking validation for his crimes because it's driving him insane.
It's like you people didn't watch the same movies. Anakin isn't some stoic, he's an emotional wreck with both mommy and daddy issues.
>Obi Wan brought it up, and Anakin is seeking validation for his crimes because it's driving him insane.
I understand the point of the exchange. I'm saying the emotional register of Anakin's response is wrong. The fact he's an emotional wreck is why it sounds off. Are you autistic?
No, but I think you might be. He has been fighting his father figure in an intense battle and is trying to make Obi Wan "see reason" after Obi Wan decides to open a dialogue.
You should have just said "yes."
I accept your concession.
You can't simultaneously appeal to Anakin being consumed by the Dark Side and choking his wife to near-death and then also suggest he merely wants Obi-Wan to "see reason." The fact Anakin is consumed by these emotions is the point. He has lost all perspective. This is the point of the Dark Side itself. "From my point of view..." is awkward phrasing given his emotional state. It's too self-possessed.
>It's too self-possessed.
No, it's him trying to get Obi Wan to validate his delusion. Anakin is trying to frame his reality in such a way that his actions make sense, and every time he does some dumb shit like choke Padme or kill kids, it gets harder and he has less mental room to maneuver, which is why he's zonked enough to think that Obi Wan might validate his mental house of cards.
From my point of view, this post is coping.
That post is not a matter of opinion though, merely a description of what happens in the movie.
>inb4 from my point of view etc
From my point of view, this anon is making shit up.
It's funny how the dialogue sucks despite the kino moment.
Like when Obiwan stand on the ship... And then anakin chokes padme and he does nothing.
He doesn't want to immediately start a fight with Anakin. He's trying to split the difference between forcefully telling Anakin to stop (which works) and physically starting a battle.
do shit movie watchers actually get emotionally invested into their movies or do they just see shit like this and they know it's intended to be intense so they think "this is intense!" but they don't actually really feel that way?
That scene is good though.
Lmao
no u
Because he hired her to hire a robot to hire some bugs to kill Padme and she failed.
>smartest prequel defender
Argument?
I thought Zam’s pistol was really cool looking and fit with the retro 1950s aesthetic they were doing for with the Coruscant underworld
shut up and start calling george a hack
How did Obi-Wan tank a rocket & a ship grade laser?
Rocket missed him and lasers fired around him (as in, he was in the gap between the two turrets).
Why did Jango turn into a spider?
I made a post 9 hours ago and left, I come back and this thread is still up lol
This fight was worse than the final one in Revenge of the Sith.