Why did people act like he killed Zod in cold blood dispite him obviously being upset about it?
Why did people act like he killed Zod in cold blood dispite him obviously being upset about it?
Why did people act like he killed Zod in cold blood dispite him obviously being upset about it?
>Scream "Aaaaaiiiiieeee!"
>Get over it 5 seconds later
>Smile and make out with your girlfriend in a romantic scene to the backdrop of the entire city of people you just murdered
this
wasn't too upset to go make out with a reporter in the middle of the destruction
also, you remember that moment where Zod and Superman fly up into space together?
thing is the Earth rotates at 1600km/h, so if you're flying upward the ground beneath you moves without moving you
the WayneCorp satellite they come into contact with is because of its size no closer than 100km from the surface of the Earth and the timing of that trip at about 10 seconds means Metropolis has moved about 4.4km by the time they arrive, and for the whole round trip of about 40 seconds Metropolis has shifted its position relative to them by 18km or 11 miles in dumbass units (weirdly you can actually see they and the satellite debris come down at a fairly shallow angle, indicating the satellite's position wasn't geosynchronous and hitting it was pure chance)
which means that they aimed at Metropolis on the way back, which would be fine - because Zod is the one who initiates descent and he's trying to kill everyone in Metropolis - except that for the second half of that trip Superman is the one aiming Zod at Metropolis, and given that he knows Zod is pursuing him personally by this point he could just fly away
it's not cold blood, he's genuinely trying to kill Zod because he's lost his temper
lmao
"I'll kill you, Zod! Even if I have to kill every person in Metropolis to do it!"
AAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEE ZOD-SAMA IM SORRRYYYYYYY
>>Get over it 5 seconds later
and make out with your girlfriend in a romantic scene to the backdrop of the entire city of people you just murdered
Superman created the world engine?
Superman stood over corpses to kiss his hag GF and then proceeded to frick up Metropolis even more while fighting Zod
i too like strawmans
Answer my question.
Zack Snyder is a hack and shouldn't be near superhero films ever again.
>dispite
even Nolan pushed back against the idea of the neck snap
Everybody who is sane knew it was a bad idea, and the first domino to fall in the DCEU (and Superman's brand decline)
Zack Snyder sucks
Not saying it wasn't a bad idea, but why were people acting like he killed him without thought?
Because Clark didn't try anything else
>didn't suplex Zod
>didn't cover Zod's eyes
>didn't just punch him in the head to knock him out
>didn't fly in front of Zod to block his heat vision
>didn't fly Zod back up in the air
And to top of it there's no fricking way Zod should be as strong or stronger than a Kal-El who spent his entire life under a yellow sun. And Superman still kills in the next movie too. It's completely contrived no matter how you look at it.
>didn't suplex Zod
Dude was flat out punching him through buildings and straight into the ground and getting nowhere, you think one more suplex after the first dozen megaton punches was suddenly going to stop him?
>didn't just punch him in the head to knock him out
He literally punched him about a dozen times in the air, in space, through buildings, and got nowhere.
On top of that, even if he did knock Zod out, what's he going to do to stop him once he wakes back up in 30 seconds and gets right back to trying to wipe out humans?
>didn't fly in front of Zod to block his heat vision
OK, still haven't solved the actual main problem of having a full powered kryptonian bent on wiping out everyone on earth.
>didn't fly Zod back up in the air
He flew Zod into space and all he did was destroy a satellite and rode it back down to earth while taking out a half dozen buildings with it.
There's no super prison on earth that could hold him, there's no more phantom zone to use, what else would you have Superman do with what he's got in front of him?
No matter how hard the movie tried to justify it, a mainstream interpretation of Superman murdering someone in his first major outing is just a stupid fricking idea and it's antithetical to the point of conventional Superman narratives.
It's like making a Bugs Bunny short where Bugs gets shot by Elmer Fudd then bleeds out and dies in the woods. Of course it makes sense, that's what happens when rabbits get shot -but it's not what Bugs Bunny is fricking about.
that's a joke that happened in family guy
The movie wasn’t good man. It’s more than just the neck snap. Snyder movies are just meh in general.
>writer doesn't know how to end the movie
one of the biggest examples of "and then I guess they fight for awhile until the hero kills the villain" because the actual plot ended 15 minutes earlier
Was that awkward army girl the daughter of someone that worked on the movie? Why put that scene in? Such a fart of an ending.
The superman/Shazam cartoon had the same problem. They didn't know how to end it without someone getting killed so they had Black Adam literally commit suicide
>Destroy the whole city while fighting Zod
>Hundreds, maybe even thousands, dead
>5 people are in the way
>"No, that's too far Zod"!
>Now is the time to kill him
>Not like 20 minutes prior as the city was becoming a crater
This is one of the few times I would have accepted the pacifism excuse because if killing was always on the table then Superman just comes off as a jackass for doing it too little too late.
It's like the inverse of when the protagonist goes on a killing spree murdering tons of henchmen but when they reach the big bad they decide "No, I won't kill you! If I do, I will be just as bad"! It's just dumb.
i fricking hate realism in comic book movies because then you have to wonder about shit like collateral damage. just make a fantastical story with no plausibility and let us enjoy it
Sure, but Man of Steel from the start was aiming for realistic and gritty. So suspension of disbelief is harder.
Different mediums, different rules. Suspension of disbelief works differently here. What works for a comic book won’t for a movie. The general audience will not accept the same things the fanboys do.
you expect superman to kill a zod that has not yet been weakened from a fight?
frick you i like fight scenes
>frick you i like fight scenes
They sucked ass. There's no weight to any attacks, they just crash into buildings and get up like fine afterwards. Even DBZ has the characters take damage and look tired as they fight.
Zack the Hack was correct to add some emotional element with Zod threating the family at the end to get the audience invested, but of course being a Hack put it at the worst possible moment with no build up at all.
None of you morons answered my question.
Comic fans are cry babies who can't handle the lightest moral ambiguity, more at 11
Only person ITT that actually answered the question.
Coping samegay
>ANSWER MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW!!!
It's been 10 years now. If you don't understand then you're either a moron or a willfully ignorant Snyder fanboy.
>SAMEBITCH..
It's always funny how no one remembers or notices he did the same thing in Superman 2 and wasn't upset about it at all. I don't care about any deleted scenes or production photos or whatever, he killed that guy.
I'm actually watching Superman II right now and they wrecked the city in that fight too.
Now I that I think about it, the dreary tone of the movie and the shitty schizo cuts made the entire thing depressing to watch and look at. Nothing about it made sense. I've watched this movie dozens of times throughout the years because I can NEVER remember what happened in the middle of the film. Only the very beginning and the end. That's a fricking horrible sign.
>I've watched this movie dozens of times
Why? It was bad the first time
Because I kept forgetting what happened in the middle. I still don't fricking remember LOL.
I've give this movie one thing, those fight scenes were some of the best displays of power in capeshit history. It didn't look like complete ass.
Because they don't actually care, no one actually rewatches the Reeve movies all that often no matter how beloved he is in the role. People just hate Zack Snyder.
The tone of the movie was ass that's why. It was grey, muddled and confusing as frick.
>People just hate Zack Snyder.
As we should. Rewatch Watchmen if you want to see why.
Frick me, I actually just saw the Watchmen movie for the first time since the DVD was only a dollar at a pawn shop and I wanted to see if anybody was around on Cinemaphile to complain about it. What a mess
>Why was some assassin Veidt hired able to beat Comedian in a fist-fight. I'm pretty sure in the comic he was just shot
>Why, in a movie that had so many scenes cut to even attempt to fit into a sub-3 hour time limit did they decide a really awkward minute long sex scene with corny music between Night Owl and Silk Spectre was the one they needed to keep
>What were they THINKING with the casting for Jon Osterman's girlfriend (forgot her name) and Ozymandias. Jon's girlfriend was even dryer than Dr. Manhattan, and Ozymandias was supposed to be a friendly, approachable classical bodybuilder. Not a tweedy, sniveling little man. Also of all the backstories to cut, cutting his was the worst one because his origin of selling everything he owned to reenact the life of Alexander the Great as a form of testing and soul-seeking was brilliant
>Why was there so much much SNYDER DESATURATED BLUE in what was originally such a colorful comic. Not even a red or pink shot?
>What were they THINKING blaming New York's destruction on Doctor Manhattan instead of the space aliens, that's just moronic. Now the hint of Veidt's genetic testing means absolutely nothing, AND now the soviets had 10x as much reason to obliterate the US. Space aliens, completely unaffiliated with any human politics or causes except by mere coincidence, are exactly the type of threat the entire world can unite under. A US asset going rogue and killing millions of people is exactly the type of threat the would unite the world against the US
>Why did they even waste time on the street pedestrians right before the nuke when originally it was to parallel Veidt's plan of people coming together to stop a war, and in the street people's case the pedestrians coming together to stop the lesbian fight
>Why was some assassin Veidt hired able to beat Comedian in a fist-fight. I'm pretty sure in the comic he was just shot
That was Veidt, he was still asshurt about the time Comedian kicked his ass back in the day so he got sloppy by doing it himself and proved he isn't the ubermensch he believes himself to be.
>Why, in a movie that had so many scenes cut to even attempt to fit into a sub-3 hour time limit did they decide a really awkward minute long sex scene with corny music between Night Owl and Silk Spectre was the one they needed to keep
Yeah, that was terrible, same with all the people exploding and focus on the limbs snapping, we need some of that, but come on. Manhattan could just hover the guns out of their hands or something.
>Why did they even waste time on the street pedestrians right before the nuke when originally it was to parallel Veidt's plan of people coming together to stop a war, and in the street people's case the pedestrians coming together to stop the lesbian fight
I think the point of the street scenes was to show us that the people Veidt sacrificed were more than just a statistic, we had gotten to know the cranky but gregarious newsstand vendor, his freeloading customer, the fighting lesbos and the shrink who has been having rorsach related mental problems of his own. they were real people with real problems hopes and dreams and they're dead because of his hubris. The movie should have left some of them in.
>same with all the people exploding and focus on the limbs snapping, we need some of that, but come on. Manhattan could just hover the guns out of their hands or something.
That would imply Dr Manhattan cared about their well-being. The entire point of his character is his increasing dissociation with humanity.
>no one actually rewatches the Reeve movies all that often no matter how beloved he is in the role.
People fricking love the first one
People love Reeve in it, the movie itself almost never gets talked about because it's a mess
To be entirely fair to Superman 2 that's only in the awful theatrical cut and there was a deleted scene showing that Zod and co survived
Either way it's fairly standard comicbook 'deaths' where you don't see him die, so he can come back later somehow. Snapping his fricking neck not so much.
>nobody remembers a 40 year old movie
It need one or two scenes where Clark wouldn't kill something like a fox in the hen house or a wild dog. Show him refusing to kill because he dislikes it, then he does it because he absolutely has to.
Yeah that was the biggest issue. They never established why it bothered him. Imagine being a newbie to capeshit, that scene of him yelling made no fricking sense.
Pretty sure people were more upset about him letting his dad die. Him only killing Zod after he'd let him murder a bunch of people was just funny. Doubly so because of the fact that the final event that instigated the neck snapping was easily avoidable if the people just moved or he flew Zod up or down. Followed immediately by him dicking around for a kiss while people were lying in rubble all around him.
>Pretty sure people were more upset about him letting his dad die
That was the dumbest shit I've ever seen. I went WTF in the theater at that part.
It's also the fact that the movie frames Zod's death as being more or less equal to Jonathan's. Clark sad, big noooo, everything is grey and bleak, etc. If you want use to feel good that the murderous kryptonian is dead maybe don't do that?
All these years later and Snydergays still don't understand what the word "tone" means, that's actually impressive
Henry Cavil was a waste. I actually feel sorry for him. Frick Snyder.
>I actually feel sorry for him.
he got a massive amount of money and has gone on to star in Tom Cruise movies and produce Warhammer shows. I think he's better off without capeshit in his life.
He was the best looking Superman. He wears no cowl. If you don’t get his face right you already fricked up the characters.
I'm rewatch BVS for the luls.
Fricking shit, Batman fricking pisses me off in this damn movie.
I remember watching this with a few friends the first time, we all wanted him to die. What's the message here? Nothing makes any fricking sense.
You guys are making me want to watch RLM's Man of Steel review for the 1000th time.
who the frick watches video reviews that much holy shit, watch something off the criterion collection, be productive with your limited time on Earth
I can't watch Andrei Rublev while I'm grinding in Monster Hunter.
The movie should have done Flash numbers, but instead dipshits gave them enough money to justify shitting out the rest of the DCEU.
Oh well, at least we got some memes.
It's always like that with new franchise debuts
>It's always like that with new franchise debuts
They literally tried to boot a Universal Monsters cinematic universe TWICE and both attempts bombed and killed the project.
MARTHA
People keep thinking that Batman's no-kill rule applies to Superman. He is willing to put down threats permanently if there is absolutely no other option, and given that he's Superman, he has A LOT of options.
The whole thing was moronic false drama from start to finish.
>can snap Zod's neck which requires him turning Zod's head
>can't save civilians from getting hit by Zod's eye beams because that would mean turning Zod's head
There's no way to square that circle. You can't even charitably interpret hack shit that bad.
That's before we even get to why Zod can't turn his eyes, etc. Hacks set up these little dramatic-moments-in-their-own-mind, and then try to work backwards to justify them. When they so moronic they can't figure out an even semi-plausible way to do that, it exposes their hackery.
>I want his Dad to die protecting his secret identity
>I want his Dad to did in a twister
>I want them to share a dramatic last moment
>I'm a fricking hack and I can't figure out how to really make that make any sense
Result: picrel
It makes the whole movie trip over its own feet every step of the way, and undermines the very 'dramatic' shit they imagine will save it.
The real kicker is you actually see him push Zod's head the wrong way, where it should have fried, (or at the very least risked frying), the family he was trying to protect.
I to this day don't even know what actually happened. This one family that he suddenly cared oh-so-much about could have died for all I know, because you don't see them again, you don't hear a fricking peep.
Did they die? Are they lying there cowering in the corner with a suntan? I'm genuinely asking because I literally have no fricking idea to this day. Maybe that's what he was yelling about, that he killed Zod and they died anyway? Am I supposed to go back and click through every frame? I'm assuming they lived but I am just assuming.
>The family just exits stage left once the story no longer needs them to exist.
I mean it could be worse. The family could have all gotten super cancer from the near miss, except the dad who gets possesed by some kind of space parasite that convinces him it's his family's ghosts and gives him super powers.
At this point I'm just content to quietly enjoy movies I like separate from fandoms and fanboys.
I used to like this movie but having got into other Superman media since then it's just missing so much of the important stuff. I get that they thought if Lois didn't know from the get go she'd seem dumb but it ruins their classic dynamic. Superman is basically a cipher, he does hardly any classic superheroics and the first thing people see him doing is level several city blocks. Superman should start off as a low key local hero, then you get to the alien and mad scientist shit.
So why is it bad that superman killed zod exactly?
Why are people so afraid of superheros killing someone?
I get spiderman and batman not wanting to kill
I imagine seeing such power actually being used is their equivalent of a global power actually using their nuclear weaponry, even if it was for a "good reason". The shitstorm and chaos it would cause would be too much, because everybody would ask "when will they use it next". I mean, look how much international controversy Hiroshima and Nagasaki still cause almost 80 years later, and that was to put a swift end to a great power in the largest war in human history. Or so they say but I'm not getting into that, the official story is what the world operates on
.....At least that WOULD be the right reason if these writers had any damn brains for the obvious answer of "Why doesn't superman use Superspeed+Heat vision+Killing to solve 99% of his conflicts", the honest answer of "Because a constant rotation of new villains would be exhausting and we want readers to keep coming back" isn't going to fly so effeminate, moralizing bullshit of "because if I am the one that kills then I am..... Le evil" is what they use instead.
>Why are people so afraid of superheros killing someone?
Because you're dragging Superman down to everyone else's level
How does a cashgrab fighting game where he can fight his own friends get Superman's character right better than Zach Sneed's fricking movie?
Oh, Zack!
I mean the animu Trigun pulled this same thing, it completely broke the protagonist so badly it took a time skip for him to recover and was presented as the whimsically nihilistic villain's ultimate triumph. It had impact. It was done well. This was just an edgy moment. I still liked the movie, I liked how the air force gets a few solid hits in on the kryptonians before getting taken out, nice to give the redshirts some dignity.
Just look at all the disingenuous mental gymnastics homosexuals have to do ITT trying to defend this piece of shit film. All the proof you need for how woefully shit it really is.
It's been 10 fricking years and it feels like DC built nothing of consequence, just making fools of themselves again and again
for me the issue is that he wasn't established to have a no kill rule, this movie juat expects me to assume it
One of the many sins of this film, along with other modern shit in general. How much do you have to assume for BvS or Justice League, (either cut). It's all the same problem. Perfunctory drama, where you're supposed to assume half of it. Tell-don't-show gay little speeches where you're supposed to just take it as read that something dramatic happened. Most of the romance shit is like that. He's in love with boring Lois because why again? Zod is doing who because what? Lex Luthor wants to give a moron speech about God because peach tea or some shit, huh?
Frick this hack shit.