I never understood where this "elves=whites, humans=blacks/browns, fae were germanic gods and the real white people" moronation came from. On one hand there is the "humans=Black folk" thing that implies that the poster is a self-hating black that projects himself on the rest of humanity. On the other hand there is the Larp-pagan angle, that either points towards resentment with christianity (probably because his parents made him go to chruch, many such cases) or that he wants to go back to the "good old days", as were recorded by christian monks and scholars, funnily enough.
>fae were germanic gods
They were?
Literally norse myth talks about elves as part of the gods.
Aesir and the Elves and describes Wayland the Smith as one of the elves.
The elves, from the Nordic word "Alfar", were similar to what the Romans would call "gods", that is to say, a wide range of spirits and creatures, from gods that rule from the heavens and hells to "house gods" that were particular to each household and watched over it. But while the Nordic Alfar were synonymous with dwarves, as the good elves lived in Alfheim and the bad elves lived in Svartheim. The Celtic type of elf was closer to faeries, and in pre-Tolkien fairytales they had a lot of overlap. There are also brownies, from Scottish folklore, that were a type of elf that helped around the house if treated well, or turn into a goblin and cause mischief if mistreated, much like Roman household gods. Elves as we know them only came around the 20th century, mainly due to the writings of Lord Dunsany and Tolkien. And then ripped of by everyone else. So to call elves gods is wrong, as they filled a lot more positions in a variety of folklores.
I've read both Dunsany and Tolkien.
Dunsany's elves aren't anything like you think and Tolkien's ripoff the Norse heavily.
Elves in norse myth were not described as household gods see: Volundr.
You're also conflating different mythologies which makes no sense.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I am referring to "The King of Elfland's Daughter", as it is one of the first works to separate elves from faeries, turning them into an aristocratic and wise people, rather than playful and mischievous. And this separation was further consolidated by Tolkien, who, whilst heavily inspired by Nordic folklore, still changed a lot of things, and further christianized the old Norse legends already christianized by the monks that wrote them first.
And I mentioned so many mythologies because they all mixed with each other, either while living, as geographical and cultural neighbors, or while dead, as references and mistranslations. Hell, even the word ælf was used as a translation of the greek/latin word for nymph.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>turning them into an aristocratic and wise people, rather than playful and mischievous
Except that's what they're like in Norse Myth. Wayland the Smith being a prime example.
The Elves (and Dwarves) were associated with the Gods, literal nobility, and acts of creation like creating the magical items wielded by the Gods.
This is not something out of Dunsany or Tolkien but Norse Myth itself.
And only Snorri's Edda is considered to have christianized influences. The Poetic Edda lacks his telltale "explanations" which is why it's of more interest to academics. >they're all mixed together
What a bunch of relativist horseshit. If you can't prove a direct line of contact it's as empty as those pretending all pre-christian myths are all one and the same indo-aryan skyfather religion. >was used as a translation of the greek/latin word
Wow guess that means they must be the same then. Just like the word for God is the same for the Christian God and the Pagan Gods. Moronic.
Elves in Tolkien tradition slowly age. They can live thousands of years and remain youthful. Having a 40-year-old roastie as the actress goes against that tradition.
Frieren isn't particularly likeable though. She's just kind of cold and selfish. I'm sure she'll change as the series goes on because that's the point but giving her currently as an example of a likeable character just doesn't work.
Tolkien elves only age to the begining of their adult years which takes like 100 years and then they stop aging altogether. Both Galadriel actresses were in their 30s during their stint. The reason it worked for Blanchette and not whoever the hell played her in the prime series is that Blanchette was legitimately very beautiful and otherworldly, whereas prime Galadriel just looks like my old English teacher.
>prime Galadriel just looks like my old English teacher.
That's why she's infinitely more frickable. Left is too regal and pure to be tainted with the seed of men.
They have similar faces, 'otherworldly' what you see in her movie character being queen of a magical wood where show character is walking around backalleys in a dress she borrowed. Ultimately both looked like English teachers when they were of the same age.
because they have the endless need to subvert and degrade preexisting works
they went out of their way to make the elves unlike elves as much as possible without having them be unrecognizable as elvish
To be fair, white people can't do fantasy at all anymore these days.
They're too busy trying to make every fantasy setting look like California or Londonistan.
unironically this. My GF is reading some series that has 3 other series wrapped into it and she keeps telling me about the lore and the characters and all that. It was all planned out but never mentioned and barely hinted how each series connected to one another and now theres some hijinks going on where all three series are now becoming one. It sounded pretty decent but I have no interest in reading smut with my world building
>its the court of stars/crescent city series
Also Court of Thorn and Roses, the Fourth Wing, The Cruel Prince.
That shit is the stuff women adore. If hollywood truly were catering to women they would adapt those and not make Galadriel a c**t
Scott Bakker's novels >Do not mistake me, Inrithi. In this much Conphas is right. You are all staggering drunks to me. Boys who would play at war when you should kennel with your mothers. You know nothing of war. War is dark. Black as pitch. It is not a God. It does not laugh or weep. It rewards neither skill not daring. It is not a trial of souls, nor the measure of wills. Even less is it a tool, a means to some womanish end. It is merely the place where the iron bones of the earth meet the hollow bones of men and break them. >You have offered me war, and I have accepted. Nothing more. I will not regret your losses. I will not bow my head before your funeral pyres. I will not rejoice at your triumphs. But I have taken the wager. I will suffer with you. I will put Fanim to the sword, and drive their wives and children to the slaughter. And when I sleep, I will dream of their lamentations and be glad of heart.
>What are some modern fantasy novels that aren’t woke garbage?
Chinese Xianxia stuff.
It's the main alternative that people in fantasy circles recommend nowadays because the western stuff has become so fricking dogshit due to publisher wienerblocking.
The biggest "revival" of western stuff is in self-publishing and a ton of that is Xianxia derivative as well though personally I find it gaygier on average. (or japanese derivative as with LitRPG stuff)
Other than that the only real rec I can give is to check out DMR books. They've started publishing new pulp fantasy authors both individual ones and collections.
Yeah, people also wrote loving mockery of fantasy stuff.
Of course no one is going to bother with the modern so-called "fantasy" shit because it's just gayhags and homosexuals praising tumblr posts in book form.
>Meng Hao had the gentle air of a scholar, but it wouldn't stop him from killing several people in a McDonald's
I'd pay full price for a novelette of this
>Her writing varies drastically from scene to scene and it's not intentional
It is intentional, showrunners literally address how her characters actions contradict her words between eps7 and ep8. I mean her whole talk with Theo is really 'do as I say and not as I do' shortly followed by her doing more things in ep8 she shouldn't be doing, IE the whole being secretive and keeping the Sauron info to herself. If anything it's realistic characterisation for people who are stuck in rut, haven't fully accepted they the need help of others yet. You say one thing and maybe even you mean it but you cannot break out of that cycle. Like a junkie.
This is so basic.
It looks like she will face some consequences, showrunners have said as much.
But it could be self inflicted punishment, an inflection point for change, rather than some actual punishment imposed on her from others. Or just a period of self reflection where she basically just admits to herself (the audience) that she was wrong to go about things the way she did.
I mean she will still get Nenya in s2 so I can't see her getting locked up/exiled or anything like that.
>your hero
She's not being a hero in s1
The actually villains tell her she's acting like a dark lord and they literally play SAURON's theme for her character, in most episodes (end of ep1, when she's going off at Miriel in ep4, when she's threatening Adar in ep6, etc)
Character not acting like hero = not good :/
[...] >Didn't actually read when you posted by here's my opinion anyway lol
Nothing to do with being 'evil' I didn't say that. It's to do with her doing things WRONG, from a place of isolation, selfishness and arrogance. It's about porttaying the character in a negative light because she's not acting like a LOTR hero should - Collectively, with friends/family, for the greater good, etc.
Absolutely moronic if you are still struggling to comprehend this. It's literally pre-teenager tier character construction.
ROP showrunners said they expected many people to dislike Galadriel in s1, because she's doing things she shouldn't. They said they actually went further and tried to construct scenes in a way that would guide people towards negative feelings of Galadriel when she's having her more questionable moments.
I mean they literally play Sauron's theme for her across multiple episodes, lol. Might as well have given her the imperial march.
So with that in mind, why are tranime gays so fricking moronic?
We've seen this happen before.
Someone wants to write an "anti hero" but decides to take it too far to the point where it's not enjoyable to watch their story.
You can try and fricking argue with me but I don't care. The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable. They can be mostly questionable, or rude, or unethical. But if you're just making them an aggravating c**t that's miserable to watch then don't act like people "don't get it" when they don't like it.
We understand what the plot is trying to say, we just don't care, the only thing I want after 5 episodes was to see her get punched in the face by a different protagonist.
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable
Bingo. Galadriel other traits aside from stubborness and pride were wiseness and being noble and generous, amazon just erased all of that and we got whatever the frick NuGaladriel was
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable.
You have alot of examples just itt disproving this.
Some of the most highly regarded seinen character focussed stories are Berserk and Vinland Saga.
Thorfinn being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note annoying kid at the start and guts being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note (not annoying) but rather evil youth.
Again as mentioned before Eren Jaeger who was the protagonist of of one of the biggest mainstream anime hits of a generation. Yrauma laden, rage fueled annoying crybaby.
They all have determination and drive but outside of that their positive qualities are completely submerged early on in their character journeys.
ROP is doing nothing new with repurposing this type of character onto Galadriel.
>ROP is doing nothing new with repurposing this type of character onto Galadriel.
They did. Galadriel has absolutely zero positive qualities and reedeming moments and you are supposed to root for her.
Oh? on the first episode we are told that Galadriel vengeance quest kills elves and is turning her into a schizo. If you think that's positive then i'm scared for people around you, School shooter
Yeah your examples don't prove shit and you don't know what you're talking about. >most highly regarded seinen character focussed stories are Berserk and Vinland Saga.
Vinland saga is NOT highly regarded, it's slop, it's shit. Written by a cuck who has zero historical knowledge and can't piece together a plot worth reading.
Read
God fricking damn it I hate you anime secondaries. There's literally nothing between all 3 of those series that have ANYTHING in common. Don't fricking put them in an image together.
For starters, berserk was always about guts being a hardass to survive in a cruel world. There's never a point in the story where he realizes he needs to put the sword down.
Thorfinn is written by the biggest cuck with zero historical knowledge, or any reading comprehension. Literally kindergarten tier world view on conflict. Motherfricker has good art and that's it. His terrible writing reveals it when thorfinn can't actually convince anyone to put down their weapons until after they spend half an hour beating him up to get it out of their system. Yeah, totally a rational belief system that the world should adopt. Just sit and take a beating until your aggressor gives up.
And fixing vagabond? It's about a guy who just likes to fight and tried seeking meaning in his love of violence. At no point did he need to "seek light in the darkness". homie just likes to fight, leave him be.
I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. You think galadriel is Eren yegar? Or guts?
There's nothing tying Eren to guts or any of those examples you listed to each other.
You're just taking vague themes that you don't understand and trying to equate that to "they're the same character" because you must be 14 and don't have actually media literacy
>Still more likeable than Galadriel. Like a million times more
Which is completely intentional the showrunners literally said as much before the show was even out.
ROP showrunners said they expected many people to dislike Galadriel in s1, because she's doing things she shouldn't. They said they actually went further and tried to construct scenes in a way that would guide people towards negative feelings of Galadriel when she's having her more questionable moments.
I mean they literally play Sauron's theme for her across multiple episodes, lol. Might as well have given her the imperial march.
So with that in mind, why are tranime gays so fricking moronic?
'we constructed scenes with the explicit intention of people having negative emotional response to Galadriel's behaviour and actions'
Did the bad guy music they played over the top of her not give it away or were you completely unaware until now that you have been emotionally manipulated by a couple of inexperienced Hollywood hacks?
>guts being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note (not annoying) but rather evil youth.
This is the most foul bait I've ever read. I refuse to believe you read berzerk.
And if you're being 100% genuine then explain why guts is beloved by everyone and galadriel is a c**t nobody likes.
>why guts is beloved by everyone
Because they developed his character past the one note, revenge obsessed, borderline evil youth her started out as? You dense c**t.
Much less people liked Guts in the Black Swordsman Arc where he was murdering, (almost) raping, putting kids lives at risk for his own selfish desires to, say, end of Conviction where he found a new purpose, companionship and steered himself away from the darkness that surrounds him.
Edgelord lone wolf Guts was not a good person and a c**t to everybody.
You're so fricking stupid man there's really nothing to say other than to have a nice day. If you genuinely think guts is one note I recommend a 9mm because it will hurt you more and hopefully leave a mess.
I'm not convinced this is your actual opinion of guts. I think you're just taking an arbitrary stance to play devil's advocate. If this is your opinion of guts I honestly have no interest in engaging with your or challenging your worldview because you're already so fricking stupid that it would be a pointless waste of time trying to argue with someone so fricking moronic.
I didn't either but 'one-note', ie highly determined and driven, characters seem to rub some people up the wrong way, especially if they are driven primarily by emotion.
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable
Bingo. Galadriel other traits aside from stubborness and pride were wiseness and being noble and generous, amazon just erased all of that and we got whatever the frick NuGaladriel was
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable.
Massive reddit take.
An entire generation of women masterbated to light yagami
An entire generation of women masterbated to Eren Yeager
Rorschach was spittin fire and was dripping with charisma and cool
Probably the most likeable protagonists you could've mentioned. You're just naming morally grey characters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You worship losers because you are a loser. Go cry into your confederate flag.
Why do you bring up London, a 53% white city (which actually increased in whiteness since 2011) when there is Washington DC, a 30% white city? Or Paris?
>Frieren is not likable. That's kinda the point.
Shes a selfish b***h, but not an butthole, so shes likeable.
Likeable dosnt mean perfect.
She's the most likeable protagonist in the last 50 years. She's a humble hero and lovable teacher. She's even ditsy and cute. But she's also a wise comforting mom
>She's the most likeable protagonist in the last 50 years. She's a humble hero and lovable teacher. She's even ditsy and cute. But she's also a wise comforting mom
Lmao what? Shes a selfish twat who cares about nobody, that is until she is tricked into it by one of her dying friends.
Her whole arc is that she starts realizing how much she was escaping from her feelings.
She only becomes a teacher out of necessity, shes a terrible example to fallow which Fern points out all the time.
People really overhype and overpraise this shonen, it uses the same "washed up uncaring mentor who learns to get attached again" a lot of shonen do.
Though having us fallow this person for once does make for a more interesting dynamic, usually we fallow the pupil around.
Modern political dogma states that if a woman makes men mad then she is, by default, powerful. Thus, acting like a c**t 24/7 is a great way to make yourself seem powerful as a woman.
Frieren is just another shonen with all the usual dull tropes but it does it's job better than RoP. If you just cant get enough of shonen anime then you might like Frieren. I don't want to imagine the people who like RoP.
ROP showrunners said they expected many people to dislike Galadriel in s1, because she's doing things she shouldn't. They said they actually went further and tried to construct scenes in a way that would guide people towards negative feelings of Galadriel when she's having her more questionable moments.
I mean they literally play Sauron's theme for her across multiple episodes, lol. Might as well have given her the imperial march.
So with that in mind, why are tranime gays so fricking moronic?
It's not, it extremely basic and functional writing, made for children >Character does bad thing >Character gets bad guy music >Audience has negative feelings of character because they acting like bad guy now (which is bad)
Although it does seem this kind of Saturday morning cartoon tier scene construction is still too complex for tranime Frierengays to get their head around, kek
>your hero
She's not being a hero in s1
The actually villains tell her she's acting like a dark lord and they literally play SAURON's theme for her character, in most episodes (end of ep1, when she's going off at Miriel in ep4, when she's threatening Adar in ep6, etc)
Character not acting like hero = not good :/
Being evil has nothing to do with being unlikeable. Some of the most beloved characters in fiction are mean motherfrickers.
>Didn't actually read when you posted by here's my opinion anyway lol
Nothing to do with being 'evil' I didn't say that. It's to do with her doing things WRONG, from a place of isolation, selfishness and arrogance. It's about porttaying the character in a negative light because she's not acting like a LOTR hero should - Collectively, with friends/family, for the greater good, etc.
Absolutely moronic if you are still struggling to comprehend this. It's literally pre-teenager tier character construction.
Galadriel's flaws are only highlighted selectively. Her impulsiveness and arrogance are sometimes portrayed as good. Then we've got terrible scenes like the one where she lectures Isildur, telling him to be humble, which in the context of the show is actually supposed to be seen as a good thing. Her writing varies drastically from scene to scene and it's not intentional.
>Her writing varies drastically from scene to scene and it's not intentional
It is intentional, showrunners literally address how her characters actions contradict her words between eps7 and ep8. I mean her whole talk with Theo is really 'do as I say and not as I do' shortly followed by her doing more things in ep8 she shouldn't be doing, IE the whole being secretive and keeping the Sauron info to herself. If anything it's realistic characterisation for people who are stuck in rut, haven't fully accepted they the need help of others yet. You say one thing and maybe even you mean it but you cannot break out of that cycle. Like a junkie.
I know her actions are contradictory on purpose but in the show itself they aren't always framed that way, is what I mean. Her lecture in the show comes off as necessary, and like she actually is a paragon of virtue. Her consistent arrogance is only made out to be a bad thing on a case by case basis. She is only ever truly punished for her reckless behavior at the end of the show and it's meant to be this revelatory thing.
Of course it was intentional. Almost like the writers just wanted a Girlboss c**t without any reedeming qualities (that is not Galadriel) i mean shit she was threatening genocide to Adar just last ep. We know she won't face any concequences and be rewarded instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
It looks like she will face some consequences, showrunners have said as much.
But it could be self inflicted punishment, an inflection point for change, rather than some actual punishment imposed on her from others. Or just a period of self reflection where she basically just admits to herself (the audience) that she was wrong to go about things the way she did.
I mean she will still get Nenya in s2 so I can't see her getting locked up/exiled or anything like that.
That'd be really stupid if true. If you're making an antihero make him interesting or likable. Galadriel is neither. Also, I really don't think she was meant to seem villainous every time she acts that way.
Character does bad = portray them in negative light
Character does good = portray them in positive light
You want another character to compare her to? Thorfinn from Vinland Saga.
Largely one-note, revenge obsessed, trauma youth whose quest of vengeance all goes wrong.
Yukimura was really restrained at portraying Thorfinn in a positive light through the extensive prologue because her wanted the characters positive attributes to come through when he started to develop him into a fully formed character. Which comes about from him reflecting on all his mistakes the ultimately meaningless revenge quest led him. Before then he's just a pretty basic, stone faced action anime protag.
What they said about Galadriel in s2 sounds v.similar >Lots of reflection >She will feel like she was wrong >She's was acting selfishly [in s1@] but now she's thinking about the world and how she can't be guided by her pain
Etc
v.similar character journeys
I knew one of you disingenuous gays would claim that, not true at all.
Literally 30 seconds on google.com and you will find Thorfinn had pretty much the same response
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2075734
>my view on Thorfinn is purely based on the anime and I haven't been impressed with him, Askeladd easily stole season 1 >Thorfinn being a flawed person and annoying throughout the prologue >the point of thorfinn's character is that you're not supposed to like him at first but grow to love him over time. >in season 1 I did not really like him as much >Prologue Thorfinn felt like Black Swordsman Guts and “Shinmen Takezo” Musashi. They seem like extremely one dimensional characters with killing as their only purpose in life
Tbh guts portrays the whole revenge plot much better than thorfinn. The underlying subtext of berserk with one man against all of hell without any God is also pretty kino. Thorfinn comes across as a try hard.
I liked him from the beginning, otherwise even with his wrongs why would you want to follow where his journey and eventual self-reflection leads him? Also you shouldn't call anyone a disingenuous gay while sitting there and pretending that >What has he done?!
and >What a dumb c**t.
are the same types of "unlikeable written characters". With one of those for a lot of viewers it becomes obvious early on why the characters have these flaws and that they are meant to grow through them and it is interesting to watch them get there. While the other kind is just writers who were unable to achieve that so the character is "unlikeable" in the way of a Karen with pointy ears seething at people so you prefer not watching her do anything.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I liked him from the beginning
But many didn't and conversely many people like s1 Galadriel
Eren Jaeger is another manga/anime example. He was seen by many as a perpetually angry annoying crybaby and largely a divisive protag by SnK fans throughout, even after his 'development'
3 months ago
Anonymous
>conversely many people like s1 Galadriel
Who are these people of which you speak?
No, but it is a manga that was ruined by dumb shit like that.
The author is genuinely a fricked in the head "all the evil ever done in the world is male. if women ever do anything wrong it's because of men".
I think Yukimura would have a legit mental breakdown if he was ever forced to interact with women he doesn't personally like. (or if he found out about Thatcher)
>Well ack-tually we totally meant to write an unlikeable, uninteresting character!!!
This is just sad. Also where those "questionable moments" all the moments all the time? Because that is were most people disliked her.
The intention is not to make a character 'unlikable' but the expectation is that a significant portion will not because you are guiding people to having negative responses to her negative actions.
Some of this is through music choices and unsympathetic framing, like nobody in Numenor is there to try and justify her actions. She's seen as a complete nuisance and while she gets her way in the end the result of this is again negative as she pointlessly leads a bunch of Numenoreans to their death.
The whole point it to start a character at a low point but show her taking herself to her lowest and then follow her as she drags herself up again rejecting darkness/despair for light/hope, seinen protag style.
God fricking damn it I hate you anime secondaries. There's literally nothing between all 3 of those series that have ANYTHING in common. Don't fricking put them in an image together.
For starters, berserk was always about guts being a hardass to survive in a cruel world. There's never a point in the story where he realizes he needs to put the sword down.
Thorfinn is written by the biggest cuck with zero historical knowledge, or any reading comprehension. Literally kindergarten tier world view on conflict. Motherfricker has good art and that's it. His terrible writing reveals it when thorfinn can't actually convince anyone to put down their weapons until after they spend half an hour beating him up to get it out of their system. Yeah, totally a rational belief system that the world should adopt. Just sit and take a beating until your aggressor gives up.
And fixing vagabond? It's about a guy who just likes to fight and tried seeking meaning in his love of violence. At no point did he need to "seek light in the darkness". homie just likes to fight, leave him be.
I'm using anime/manga examples because that's what the thread is about.
You want something western that uses the same kind of character as a protag? Batman
capeshit is for children
you could have used breaking bad as an example instead, as walter frequently kills people, does heinous acts, and ruins all of his relationships
at least in his case though his cancer, shit job, and cancer make him sympathetic
I didn't put the image together you fricking gaygit.
If you actually knew anything of what you talk about you would have known that those three characters are regularly used as examples as characters that start who repurpose themselves after a huge life event we see that causes them to re-assess everything about themselves and what life actually means to them
Berserk and Vinland Saga being the most direct comparisons to ROP of taking a character in a bad place, taking them lower and then giving them a huge infection point for change over the rest of their story.
Character development 101, homosexual
>those three characters are regularly used as examples as characters that start who repurpose themselves after a huge life event we see that causes them to re-assess everything about themselves and what life actually means to them
By who? Midwits like yourself? How utterly banal and simple-minded. You're stripping away everything about these characters to fit YOUR narrative, YOUR projected expectations. You don't care about what the characters stand for you just want them to be stand ins for your opinion.
Case in point >Berserk and Vinland Saga being the most direct comparisons to ROP of taking a character in a bad place, taking them lower and then giving them a huge infection point for change over the rest of their story.
So....the comparison between all 3 is that they experience something bad, and change.... yeah, you see why we think you're a fricking moron? You couldn't even begin to explain the actual character traits of 1 of those characters, let alone find the similarities between all 3.
You might as well say "they eat and sleep therefore they're similar".
If they had similar opinions, or shared a similar philosophy it would be an argument. But you keep saying character growth is the similarity.
Galadriel isn't on the same level as guts or Eren btw. She's a retconned character made by committee, of a billion dollar organization, in a mismanaged show. There's nothing organic about her fanbase. It's just brute forced marketing. Come back when she's had 30 years of hardcore fans that have outlasted VHS and mistranslations because the contents of guts' character is just THAT appealing
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Noooo there aren't any similarities between characters that lose loved ones in early life that sets them off on a revenge quest of obsession that takes them to a really dark place before having that chance of revenge taken away from them after which they re-assess everything they have done up until now a realise all they have done is inflicted more pain misery and suffering on themselves and others around them so they repurpose they existence to do good for themselves and those around them rejecting despair and darkness for hope and light in face of a world that constantly challenges that idealism
You dumb fricking homosexual lol
Also >He doesn't think SnK has made by committee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>For starters, berserk was always about guts being a hardass to survive in a cruel world. There's never a point in the story where he realizes he needs to put the sword down.
Guts was an unlikable butthole during the black swordsman arc though. Don't make excuses.
Guts wasn't "unlikeable", he was purposely trying to keep people at a distance because of his upbringing. he was also living through a magic apocalypse where manners went out the window.
It was never one dimensional, if he met a child he'd become protective and sweet, if he saw people in need he'd help. He was an butthole to people so that he wouldn't be hurt when they inevitably died, like with the band of the hawk.
Comparing guts' defence mechanism from a lifetime of pain to galadriels senseless c**tiness makes no sense.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if he met a child he'd become protective and sweet
He literally took kids as hostages to use as bait for monsters and rode in carts with them knowing full well that he put them in danger, without telling them.
Guts was a complete psycho c**t during Black Swordsman and Lost Children, he enjoyed hurting people to try and mask his own pain and yes appeared very one dimensional revenge obsessed c**t. Extremely selfish and barely any redeeming qualities were presented until Conviction arc. Absolutely worse than Galadriel in every conceivable way.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, but what about if I said guts was really fricking cool. Hence he was likeable.
Same with Kratos from god of war.
>w-we made her unlikable on purpose I swear
I bet, I also bet she won't fail as usual in season 2 and the "things she shouldn't be doing" won't matter or impact the story. She will still be perfect but unlikely and probably won't change.
It's really weird seeing people make bait for things when they haven't engaged with either the source material or the fandom. It's like if you made bait for asoiaf and where your cringe wojaks said "dude, like, breasts and prostitutesons..."
>what if one side is good and the other is evil
this but unironically, I'm so tired of midiwt "grey" and "complex" characters and I'm tired of redditors who jerk off on how sophisticated morons they are because the main villain in their cape shit killed a guy but he also kinda feels bad about it, damn so deep. kys moron
>shit character is shit for these reasons >shit character is shit for other reasons >you're le nazi if you think this
Huhhh chudsisters?? the transfolx are SLAYIN on us again???????
>yet the show never acknowledges how much of a piece of shit she
It does, several times. Adar directly calls her evil, Sauron basically says 'nobody else will have you but me because they think you have no goodness left in you'
Even indirectly, as Gil-galad says he hoped that sending her away would cure the tree blight (because he obviously just sees her as their doombringer)
She acknowledges it directly by telling Theo not to be like her.
Not that any of this stops her being a selfish b***h who just causes problems for others, but the characters definitely know it and it is addressed, albeit in brief moments.
And yet it dosnt feel like it since shes such a mary sue. She gets everything she wants, shes the best at everything and puts everybody in their place.
Her "failures" seem like just the ways to push the plot forward.
The only ones i like in the show as the elf and the dwarf, both of them seem like real characters.
Still the hobbits were the worst part since they have 0 fricking relation to the story. Zero.Their only point is to introduce Gandalf (or who ever the new wizard is), something that could have been done in a single fricking scene as he is just a bait for season 2.
Either way the show lacks self awareness about herm when shes upside down riding a horse it sure as frick dosnt feel like its some type of criticism of her character.
The whole point of her character is that she's going too far and "touches the darkness" and "becomes indistinguishable from the thing she wants to destroy" etc. This is from the beginning, and constant throughout the season. It's the defining trait of her character (and an unresolved arc).
I'm not defending the show in general, but you're just a moron.
Barely anybody has a concept of what Galadriel was like when she was younger. Even Tolkien went back and forth a bunch of times, one version she's a rebellious leader of an army and another she's a near perfect pacifist who avoids all conflict.
The only people who think they know who Galadriel is and get big mad at this kind of depiction of her are people who don't know how nebulous her character was and just want to get big mad because women in fantasy makes great chudrage bait.
>The Frieren anime is behind heralded as the second coming of Christ by weebs because it's not a bog standard fantasy anime slop #23142321. >Meanwhile, in the manga, it already turned into your generic battle manga slop. >Meanwhile, in the manga, they already retconned the Demon King's defeat as a super secret plan by the Demon Lords, who by the way still have entire armies intact. >Meanwhile, in the manga, they introduced fricking time travel.
Oh boy, are they up for some disappointment down the line. The source material has already jumped the shark.
Scavengers Reign
great visuals ... realy bad plot
it came from the same nihilistic israelite school as rick an morty, so while the artists created one of the most creative world ever, the writers took a shit on it
so dunno, i wouldnt really recommend, watch if you are really bored
frieren is extremely unlikeable >wait he was flirting with me the entire time!!!????? and he died old and alone???!? >eh idc i live forever LOL
shit show
shit character
boring dogshit
>eh idc i live forever LOL
She definitely does care, she spends the entire show obsessing about a dude who died decades ago. You might be autistic if you were unable to pick up on the very obvious signs the show presents to the audience.
she couldn’t give less of a shit about himmel until after he died
I just don’t buy that after countless confessions the only reason she didn’t pick up on it is because of le long lifespan
the only reason himmel died unfulfilled is so that frieren could have a regret.
because otherwise she’d have no character
She's autistic, even among elves who are the setting's autistic race. Also she spent centuries living all alone in the forest, dealing with people doesn't come easy to her.
yes but this is SHIT writing
there was no real reason for her not to pick up on himmel, it’s all brushed under “that’s just the way she is” and for something so contrived to be the foundation of ALL the emotional beats just means the story is extremely frustrating to watch
Except she's shown to be completely clueless about just about everything that isn't magic or killing monsters, it's not just Himmel that she doesn't get. The only person she really seems to understand is Serie because Serie is another autistic elf just like Frieren, but aside from that her cluelessness is consistent.
I haven't seen rings of power, but this sounds like the dumbest fricking comparison I've ever heard of, and I like Frieren.
First of all I never really considered galadriel as a character who is supposed to be 'likable', and what, the goal is to make her more like frieren? Okay I guess make her a goofy autist played by somebody like Snood, there's your frieren-like likable galadriel...
>one billion dollars >not even the youtube shills have the energy to promote it anymore
at least the other stream piggies will see ads for it while they watch their prime slop right bezos xisters?
>mfw they took down the reaction video of the 4 zoomers, who never heard of lord of the rings before they were paid to talk about for amazon. >Sauron be bussin! >Gladriel is a strong powerful woman here and that's a good thing!
>Galadriel being shit was intentional i swear!
Nobody believes asides from shills here. Also Galadriel was so shit that the villian endep up looking good unironically and don't tell me she "grows up" because the last scene of the show is Galadriel literally hiding the truth of Sauron and dooming eregion
>Galadriel was so shit that the villian endep up looking good unironically
Absolutely intentional, this what should have been the most obvious because they absolutely spell the intention of framing Galadriel as bad and Adar/Sauron as good, or at least sympathetic, in s1
I mean Adar literally says to her face 'wow you're almost as bad as Sauron!'
In s2 Adar will now have more orc like prosthetics on his face to make him look more monstrous and Halbrand gets really badly injured early and will have a fiery/ashy disfigured look to his face, you know like bad guy!
They are not doing this with subtly, yet still goes way over the head of Cinemaphile kek
Frieren and most shitsekai that have elf girls are dogshit pandering to coomer nerd losers with long eared autism/quirky mystical dreamy girl. Last good anime with an elf girl was Lodoss War (1990) and in general most fantasy media that feature elfs from the have been shit like Elves in general peaked too early with Tolkien's bibliography
>Why would people who were hired to raise a company's ESG score that openly talk about how much they hate the product they are working on make an inferior product despite spending 100m per episode?
(OP) >The Frieren anime is behind heralded as the second coming of Christ by weebs because it's not a bog standard fantasy anime slop #23142321. >Meanwhile, in the manga, it already turned into your generic battle manga slop. >Meanwhile, in the manga, they already retconned the Demon King's defeat as a super secret plan by the Demon Lords, who by the way still have entire armies intact. >Meanwhile, in the manga, they introduced fricking time travel.
Oh boy, are they up for some disappointment down the line. The source material has already jumped the shark.
>they introduced fricking time travel.
I figured that would happen anyway after a while (and I'm only watching the anime), where Future Frieren ended up actually living with Himmel during the timeskip. It's too kino not to do
It's not "kino", it's going the way of all contrived shonen power fantasy slop. The whole point was that she missed her chance for experiencing love due to her disconnect from life, and her undergoing a melancholic journey of self-discovery.
Instead now we're getting "muh mana is higher than your mana" power wank, secret keikaku dori plans, retconning established facts, and time travel.
Because the writers are hacks who forced the characters to fit the story even if it made no sense. Like Galadriel basically saying "frick you" to the queen's face and she not only doesn't get executed or kicked out immediately, but she ends up being gifted a ship and small army to get her to where she needs to go.
RoPe failed because that´s not Galadriel. They took the Nerwen shit too far. Yes, Galadriel was as physically proficient as male elves, hence her mother naming her man-maiden but that was relatively early during the first age.
In the end she didn´t choose the path of the sword. She choose instead to learn magic from a maia called Melian and became a politician very early because she had ambitions. She wanted to rule.
She is very cold, cunning, intelligent, wise and unlike her amazon´s counterpart that goes around telegraphing her emotions no one could ever tell what she was thinking. Even Sauron could never read her mind or deceive her (though she could read his). She did not stay on middle earth for something as petty as vengeance but to rule.
She is also married to Celeborn and for elves marriage concerns their eternal souls. They are never unfaithful so bedding Sauron is out of the question too. Heck, their daughter is Elrond´s wife.
So yeah, the actual Galadriel is not this heroic strong female warrior...
They did the same fricking thing as JJ Star Trek, where the first thing we see of the supposedly dignified elder race are a bunch of stupid child bullies and then the protagonist beats them up to show how awesome they are.
Started reading sousou no freiren like 3 years ago because of the post media res premise or whatever and that was interesting but it quickly degenerated into shonenshit tournament garbage
I never watched Rings of Power but Frieren is fricking boring as hell, I dropped it after the Aura Guillotine episode. Literally no plot, not a single interesting obstacle on the way, no character progression
Because they build their entire personality around anime/manga. Its not just something they watch or read, it structure their entire perception of art.
I fricking hate all these youtube reviewers and "video essayists", they always have the most moronic opinions. Even when the premise looks good they always have the most moronic arguments in the world. They don't know shit about anything.
There's a handful of god ones, but like everything there was a goldrush of morons scrambling to get into the market and now there's thousands of low effort trash being pumped out by morons.
The Galadriel (and Halbrand) storyline literally follows the Japanese four act structure. Totally works like an anime storyline where they just buddy copping along together to find Sauron and develop a relationship but then at the end it's revealed oh whoops the person who is helping her find Sauron is actually Sauron!! Then they both kind of just leave each other and nothing gets resolved. Classic Japanese style storytelling.
Because people remember OG Galadriel & realize how bad Amazon’s version of her was. Weeb elf aside, rings of power was all spectacle & what substance it had was bad. That amazon sunk so much money into it was just funny.
>likeable elves
Oxymoron
stfu Pelinal you're literaly gay
Hating elves is code and learned behaviour for hating on white aryans.
>posts christcuck-standin crusader
Ah, makes sense you're anti-white.
I never understood where this "elves=whites, humans=blacks/browns, fae were germanic gods and the real white people" moronation came from. On one hand there is the "humans=Black folk" thing that implies that the poster is a self-hating black that projects himself on the rest of humanity. On the other hand there is the Larp-pagan angle, that either points towards resentment with christianity (probably because his parents made him go to chruch, many such cases) or that he wants to go back to the "good old days", as were recorded by christian monks and scholars, funnily enough.
>fae were germanic gods
They were?
Literally norse myth talks about elves as part of the gods.
Aesir and the Elves and describes Wayland the Smith as one of the elves.
The elves, from the Nordic word "Alfar", were similar to what the Romans would call "gods", that is to say, a wide range of spirits and creatures, from gods that rule from the heavens and hells to "house gods" that were particular to each household and watched over it. But while the Nordic Alfar were synonymous with dwarves, as the good elves lived in Alfheim and the bad elves lived in Svartheim. The Celtic type of elf was closer to faeries, and in pre-Tolkien fairytales they had a lot of overlap. There are also brownies, from Scottish folklore, that were a type of elf that helped around the house if treated well, or turn into a goblin and cause mischief if mistreated, much like Roman household gods. Elves as we know them only came around the 20th century, mainly due to the writings of Lord Dunsany and Tolkien. And then ripped of by everyone else. So to call elves gods is wrong, as they filled a lot more positions in a variety of folklores.
I've read both Dunsany and Tolkien.
Dunsany's elves aren't anything like you think and Tolkien's ripoff the Norse heavily.
Elves in norse myth were not described as household gods see: Volundr.
You're also conflating different mythologies which makes no sense.
I am referring to "The King of Elfland's Daughter", as it is one of the first works to separate elves from faeries, turning them into an aristocratic and wise people, rather than playful and mischievous. And this separation was further consolidated by Tolkien, who, whilst heavily inspired by Nordic folklore, still changed a lot of things, and further christianized the old Norse legends already christianized by the monks that wrote them first.
And I mentioned so many mythologies because they all mixed with each other, either while living, as geographical and cultural neighbors, or while dead, as references and mistranslations. Hell, even the word ælf was used as a translation of the greek/latin word for nymph.
>turning them into an aristocratic and wise people, rather than playful and mischievous
Except that's what they're like in Norse Myth. Wayland the Smith being a prime example.
The Elves (and Dwarves) were associated with the Gods, literal nobility, and acts of creation like creating the magical items wielded by the Gods.
This is not something out of Dunsany or Tolkien but Norse Myth itself.
And only Snorri's Edda is considered to have christianized influences. The Poetic Edda lacks his telltale "explanations" which is why it's of more interest to academics.
>they're all mixed together
What a bunch of relativist horseshit. If you can't prove a direct line of contact it's as empty as those pretending all pre-christian myths are all one and the same indo-aryan skyfather religion.
>was used as a translation of the greek/latin word
Wow guess that means they must be the same then. Just like the word for God is the same for the Christian God and the Pagan Gods. Moronic.
Tolkien was Catholic you Assburgers
It's a Knights of the Nine meme you fricking moron.
Her being unlikable (to you) was the entire point
Unironically
In what way is elf-chan supposed to be unlikeable?
>furgay weebs think they're in a position to critique any other goyslop
What does this sentence even mean. Could you phrase it using exclusively English words from an pre-internet dictionary?
if only they watched my favorite anime waifu they would learn that big breasts is the most likeable trait you can give to your protagonist
stupid Amazon execs
frieren doesn't have big breasts
Yet
Fern's breasts are big enough to make up for that.
Elves in Tolkien tradition slowly age. They can live thousands of years and remain youthful. Having a 40-year-old roastie as the actress goes against that tradition.
Worked fine in the LOTR movies
they didnt choose to cast any rat-human hybrids in the jackson movies though
Frieren isn't particularly likeable though. She's just kind of cold and selfish. I'm sure she'll change as the series goes on because that's the point but giving her currently as an example of a likeable character just doesn't work.
Tolkien elves only age to the begining of their adult years which takes like 100 years and then they stop aging altogether. Both Galadriel actresses were in their 30s during their stint. The reason it worked for Blanchette and not whoever the hell played her in the prime series is that Blanchette was legitimately very beautiful and otherworldly, whereas prime Galadriel just looks like my old English teacher.
Prime Galadriel was more cute.
>prime Galadriel just looks like my old English teacher.
That's why she's infinitely more frickable. Left is too regal and pure to be tainted with the seed of men.
They have similar faces, 'otherworldly' what you see in her movie character being queen of a magical wood where show character is walking around backalleys in a dress she borrowed. Ultimately both looked like English teachers when they were of the same age.
tolk elves are the sexless, boring mary sue product of a christcuck imagination. i see why amazon tried to mix them up
>tolk elves are the sexless, boring mary sue
That's very funny because all I'vee seen about the other weeb elf point to that exact same description
The weeb elf is desperate for human wiener, sadly that human wiener is already dead.
loyal to the one wiener. that's already more feminine than any white woman
you're right. i much prefer the gayBlack person amazon version of the elves.
>sexless
Arwen gave up her immortality to get that BNC
because they have the endless need to subvert and degrade preexisting works
they went out of their way to make the elves unlike elves as much as possible without having them be unrecognizable as elvish
To be fair, white people can't do fantasy at all anymore these days.
They're too busy trying to make every fantasy setting look like California or Londonistan.
>To be fair, white people can't do fantasy at all anymore these days.
I'd bring up GRR Martin, but then I realized he hasn't even finished his series yet
The last mainline GoT novel came out thirteen years ago.
le gritty and le realistic fantasy is cringe
yeah man it's those whites in hollywood
well if they cant who can
Maybe Japan? I really like a fantasy setting in Berserk or Souls series.
What are some modern fantasy novels that aren’t woke garbage? Sanderson is basically the only one but he’s only not woke, his books are still garbage.
>What are some modern fantasy novels that aren’t woke garbage?
Romance fantasy
unironically this. My GF is reading some series that has 3 other series wrapped into it and she keeps telling me about the lore and the characters and all that. It was all planned out but never mentioned and barely hinted how each series connected to one another and now theres some hijinks going on where all three series are now becoming one. It sounded pretty decent but I have no interest in reading smut with my world building
its the court of stars/crescent city series
>its the court of stars/crescent city series
Also Court of Thorn and Roses, the Fourth Wing, The Cruel Prince.
That shit is the stuff women adore. If hollywood truly were catering to women they would adapt those and not make Galadriel a c**t
Scott Bakker's novels
>Do not mistake me, Inrithi. In this much Conphas is right. You are all staggering drunks to me. Boys who would play at war when you should kennel with your mothers. You know nothing of war. War is dark. Black as pitch. It is not a God. It does not laugh or weep. It rewards neither skill not daring. It is not a trial of souls, nor the measure of wills. Even less is it a tool, a means to some womanish end. It is merely the place where the iron bones of the earth meet the hollow bones of men and break them.
>You have offered me war, and I have accepted. Nothing more. I will not regret your losses. I will not bow my head before your funeral pyres. I will not rejoice at your triumphs. But I have taken the wager. I will suffer with you. I will put Fanim to the sword, and drive their wives and children to the slaughter. And when I sleep, I will dream of their lamentations and be glad of heart.
He hasn’t written anything since the 90s. That’s not modern at all.
didn't his last book come out in 2017?
>What are some modern fantasy novels that aren’t woke garbage?
Chinese Xianxia stuff.
It's the main alternative that people in fantasy circles recommend nowadays because the western stuff has become so fricking dogshit due to publisher wienerblocking.
The biggest "revival" of western stuff is in self-publishing and a ton of that is Xianxia derivative as well though personally I find it gaygier on average. (or japanese derivative as with LitRPG stuff)
Other than that the only real rec I can give is to check out DMR books. They've started publishing new pulp fantasy authors both individual ones and collections.
>Chinese Xianxia stuff.
Yeah, people also wrote loving mockery of fantasy stuff.
Of course no one is going to bother with the modern so-called "fantasy" shit because it's just gayhags and homosexuals praising tumblr posts in book form.
YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!!!
>because he had cultivated the Heavenly Burgin' Qi
>Meng Hao had the gentle air of a scholar, but it wouldn't stop him from killing several people in a McDonald's
I'd pay full price for a novelette of this
We've seen this happen before.
Someone wants to write an "anti hero" but decides to take it too far to the point where it's not enjoyable to watch their story.
You can try and fricking argue with me but I don't care. The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable. They can be mostly questionable, or rude, or unethical. But if you're just making them an aggravating c**t that's miserable to watch then don't act like people "don't get it" when they don't like it.
We understand what the plot is trying to say, we just don't care, the only thing I want after 5 episodes was to see her get punched in the face by a different protagonist.
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable
Bingo. Galadriel other traits aside from stubborness and pride were wiseness and being noble and generous, amazon just erased all of that and we got whatever the frick NuGaladriel was
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable.
You have alot of examples just itt disproving this.
Some of the most highly regarded seinen character focussed stories are Berserk and Vinland Saga.
Thorfinn being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note annoying kid at the start and guts being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note (not annoying) but rather evil youth.
Again as mentioned before Eren Jaeger who was the protagonist of of one of the biggest mainstream anime hits of a generation. Yrauma laden, rage fueled annoying crybaby.
They all have determination and drive but outside of that their positive qualities are completely submerged early on in their character journeys.
ROP is doing nothing new with repurposing this type of character onto Galadriel.
Your excuse for her being a bad character is that cartoons made for 14 year old japanese boys also contain similarly bad characters?
>ROP is doing nothing new with repurposing this type of character onto Galadriel.
They did. Galadriel has absolutely zero positive qualities and reedeming moments and you are supposed to root for her.
>People who spend 18hours a days posting on Cinemaphile don't consider drive and determination as positive qualities
Well I never
Oh? on the first episode we are told that Galadriel vengeance quest kills elves and is turning her into a schizo. If you think that's positive then i'm scared for people around you, School shooter
Yeah your examples don't prove shit and you don't know what you're talking about.
>most highly regarded seinen character focussed stories are Berserk and Vinland Saga.
Vinland saga is NOT highly regarded, it's slop, it's shit. Written by a cuck who has zero historical knowledge and can't piece together a plot worth reading.
Read
I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. You think galadriel is Eren yegar? Or guts?
There's nothing tying Eren to guts or any of those examples you listed to each other.
You're just taking vague themes that you don't understand and trying to equate that to "they're the same character" because you must be 14 and don't have actually media literacy
>Thorfinn
>Eren
Bad example. Still more likeable than Galadriel. Like a million times more
>Still more likeable than Galadriel. Like a million times more
Which is completely intentional the showrunners literally said as much before the show was even out.
'we constructed scenes with the explicit intention of people having negative emotional response to Galadriel's behaviour and actions'
Did the bad guy music they played over the top of her not give it away or were you completely unaware until now that you have been emotionally manipulated by a couple of inexperienced Hollywood hacks?
You are only fricking moron who thinks these "showrunners" are capable of subtext
>We made the show bad on purpose guys
>"Well, we don't like it"
>No, you don't get it, that was the point.
>guts being a trauma laden, rage fueled, one note (not annoying) but rather evil youth.
This is the most foul bait I've ever read. I refuse to believe you read berzerk.
And if you're being 100% genuine then explain why guts is beloved by everyone and galadriel is a c**t nobody likes.
>why guts is beloved by everyone
Because they developed his character past the one note, revenge obsessed, borderline evil youth her started out as? You dense c**t.
Much less people liked Guts in the Black Swordsman Arc where he was murdering, (almost) raping, putting kids lives at risk for his own selfish desires to, say, end of Conviction where he found a new purpose, companionship and steered himself away from the darkness that surrounds him.
Edgelord lone wolf Guts was not a good person and a c**t to everybody.
You're so fricking stupid man there's really nothing to say other than to have a nice day. If you genuinely think guts is one note I recommend a 9mm because it will hurt you more and hopefully leave a mess.
I'm not convinced this is your actual opinion of guts. I think you're just taking an arbitrary stance to play devil's advocate. If this is your opinion of guts I honestly have no interest in engaging with your or challenging your worldview because you're already so fricking stupid that it would be a pointless waste of time trying to argue with someone so fricking moronic.
>You have alot of examples just itt disproving this!
>start spouting fricking anime characters
kek
I didn't find Thorfinn annoying, tbh.
I didn't either but 'one-note', ie highly determined and driven, characters seem to rub some people up the wrong way, especially if they are driven primarily by emotion.
>The #1 most important rule of writing is make your protagonist likeable.
Massive reddit take.
Name 3 unlikeable protagonists
you
your mom
your dad
Light Yagami
Eren Yeager
Rorschachmn4wv8
An entire generation of women masterbated to light yagami
An entire generation of women masterbated to Eren Yeager
Rorschach was spittin fire and was dripping with charisma and cool
Probably the most likeable protagonists you could've mentioned. You're just naming morally grey characters.
You worship losers because you are a loser. Go cry into your confederate flag.
Jeffrey Beaumont in Blue Velvet
Robert Ford in The Assassination of Jesse James
Popeye in The French Connection
>Robert Ford
This is the only example of a truly unlikeable protagonist. But he endears you in the end when he accepts his regret.
I got blue velvet on my watchlist, maybe I'll do it tonight.
Why do you bring up London, a 53% white city (which actually increased in whiteness since 2011) when there is Washington DC, a 30% white city? Or Paris?
yt pipo dun seson dey fantaseas
>tranime
anime website
>doesn’t know the difference between tranime and anime
have a nice day reddit election tourist. Anime website
>le godless trashman, has a daughter (he/him) moxie crimefighter
Frieren is not likable. That's kinda the point.
I like her
>Frieren is not likable. That's kinda the point.
Shes a selfish b***h, but not an butthole, so shes likeable.
Likeable dosnt mean perfect.
She's the most likeable protagonist in the last 50 years. She's a humble hero and lovable teacher. She's even ditsy and cute. But she's also a wise comforting mom
>She's the most likeable protagonist in the last 50 years. She's a humble hero and lovable teacher. She's even ditsy and cute. But she's also a wise comforting mom
Lmao what? Shes a selfish twat who cares about nobody, that is until she is tricked into it by one of her dying friends.
Her whole arc is that she starts realizing how much she was escaping from her feelings.
She only becomes a teacher out of necessity, shes a terrible example to fallow which Fern points out all the time.
People really overhype and overpraise this shonen, it uses the same "washed up uncaring mentor who learns to get attached again" a lot of shonen do.
Though having us fallow this person for once does make for a more interesting dynamic, usually we fallow the pupil around.
Your entire post is refuted in the first fricking episode. There's no point in replying to you since everything you've said is wrong.
Come back when you learn English.
Not being obnoxious is key to likeability.
Modern political dogma states that if a woman makes men mad then she is, by default, powerful. Thus, acting like a c**t 24/7 is a great way to make yourself seem powerful as a woman.
I am OWED sex with elves and I'm tired of pretending I'm not.
Frieren is just another shonen with all the usual dull tropes but it does it's job better than RoP. If you just cant get enough of shonen anime then you might like Frieren. I don't want to imagine the people who like RoP.
you already made this thread on Cinemaphile
I didn't
could you link it?
Anybody else noticed that many weeb zoomers are so scared to post on Cinemaphile?
Anons make Frieren threads on Cinemaphile every day though
Cinemaphile has actual moderation.
It is extremely easy to out newbies there.
Yeah they stick out like a sore thumb when they go to a board that can actually discuss topics lol
>people don't want to go to an overmoderated board
yeah no shit
Why would anyone post a ROP thread on Cinemaphile?
Cinemaphile is cancer run by geriatric trannies. the unfunniest circlejerk on this site sans /s4s/
Cinemaphile sucks, so it kind of makes sense that people don't want to post there
Trying to imagine what the guy’s voice sounds like
ROP showrunners said they expected many people to dislike Galadriel in s1, because she's doing things she shouldn't. They said they actually went further and tried to construct scenes in a way that would guide people towards negative feelings of Galadriel when she's having her more questionable moments.
I mean they literally play Sauron's theme for her across multiple episodes, lol. Might as well have given her the imperial march.
So with that in mind, why are tranime gays so fricking moronic?
Lmao this homie actually acting like RoPe was well written
It's not, it extremely basic and functional writing, made for children
>Character does bad thing
>Character gets bad guy music
>Audience has negative feelings of character because they acting like bad guy now (which is bad)
Although it does seem this kind of Saturday morning cartoon tier scene construction is still too complex for tranime Frierengays to get their head around, kek
Is the anime in the room with us right now?
dude both LOTR and Anime are manchild trash, tolkien is a homosexual, get over it
>tranime
This is the biggest sign you're not fit for this place. You conflate the simplest shit like a dumb Black person.
>your hero shouldn't be likable for the entire first season and that's a good thing
fricking kek you are a dipshit
>your hero
She's not being a hero in s1
The actually villains tell her she's acting like a dark lord and they literally play SAURON's theme for her character, in most episodes (end of ep1, when she's going off at Miriel in ep4, when she's threatening Adar in ep6, etc)
Character not acting like hero = not good :/
>Didn't actually read when you posted by here's my opinion anyway lol
Nothing to do with being 'evil' I didn't say that. It's to do with her doing things WRONG, from a place of isolation, selfishness and arrogance. It's about porttaying the character in a negative light because she's not acting like a LOTR hero should - Collectively, with friends/family, for the greater good, etc.
Absolutely moronic if you are still struggling to comprehend this. It's literally pre-teenager tier character construction.
>Nothing to do with being 'evil' I didn't say that
You did say exactly that, you moron. No weaseling your way out of it.
Galadriel's flaws are only highlighted selectively. Her impulsiveness and arrogance are sometimes portrayed as good. Then we've got terrible scenes like the one where she lectures Isildur, telling him to be humble, which in the context of the show is actually supposed to be seen as a good thing. Her writing varies drastically from scene to scene and it's not intentional.
Who were the writers?
>Her writing varies drastically from scene to scene and it's not intentional
It is intentional, showrunners literally address how her characters actions contradict her words between eps7 and ep8. I mean her whole talk with Theo is really 'do as I say and not as I do' shortly followed by her doing more things in ep8 she shouldn't be doing, IE the whole being secretive and keeping the Sauron info to herself. If anything it's realistic characterisation for people who are stuck in rut, haven't fully accepted they the need help of others yet. You say one thing and maybe even you mean it but you cannot break out of that cycle. Like a junkie.
This is so basic.
So they made the main character an unlikable bore on purpose?
I know her actions are contradictory on purpose but in the show itself they aren't always framed that way, is what I mean. Her lecture in the show comes off as necessary, and like she actually is a paragon of virtue. Her consistent arrogance is only made out to be a bad thing on a case by case basis. She is only ever truly punished for her reckless behavior at the end of the show and it's meant to be this revelatory thing.
Of course it was intentional. Almost like the writers just wanted a Girlboss c**t without any reedeming qualities (that is not Galadriel) i mean shit she was threatening genocide to Adar just last ep. We know she won't face any concequences and be rewarded instead
It looks like she will face some consequences, showrunners have said as much.
But it could be self inflicted punishment, an inflection point for change, rather than some actual punishment imposed on her from others. Or just a period of self reflection where she basically just admits to herself (the audience) that she was wrong to go about things the way she did.
I mean she will still get Nenya in s2 so I can't see her getting locked up/exiled or anything like that.
>trusting amazon showrunners
Fricking moron
Being evil has nothing to do with being unlikeable. Some of the most beloved characters in fiction are mean motherfrickers.
>Doing things you shouldn't equals being disliked
???
That'd be really stupid if true. If you're making an antihero make him interesting or likable. Galadriel is neither. Also, I really don't think she was meant to seem villainous every time she acts that way.
Character does bad = portray them in negative light
Character does good = portray them in positive light
You want another character to compare her to? Thorfinn from Vinland Saga.
Largely one-note, revenge obsessed, trauma youth whose quest of vengeance all goes wrong.
Yukimura was really restrained at portraying Thorfinn in a positive light through the extensive prologue because her wanted the characters positive attributes to come through when he started to develop him into a fully formed character. Which comes about from him reflecting on all his mistakes the ultimately meaningless revenge quest led him. Before then he's just a pretty basic, stone faced action anime protag.
What they said about Galadriel in s2 sounds v.similar
>Lots of reflection
>She will feel like she was wrong
>She's was acting selfishly [in s1@] but now she's thinking about the world and how she can't be guided by her pain
Etc
v.similar character journeys
Thorfinn was always likeable, even when he was in his little edgelord revenge-mode state. RoP Galadriel on the other hand just comes across as a c**t.
>Thorfinn was always likeable
I knew one of you disingenuous gays would claim that, not true at all.
Literally 30 seconds on google.com and you will find Thorfinn had pretty much the same response
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2075734
>my view on Thorfinn is purely based on the anime and I haven't been impressed with him, Askeladd easily stole season 1
>Thorfinn being a flawed person and annoying throughout the prologue
>the point of thorfinn's character is that you're not supposed to like him at first but grow to love him over time.
>in season 1 I did not really like him as much
>Prologue Thorfinn felt like Black Swordsman Guts and “Shinmen Takezo” Musashi. They seem like extremely one dimensional characters with killing as their only purpose in life
Same character
I liked Thorfinn. I did not like Galadriel. I don't care what some other homosexual said. Frick you.
Tbh guts portrays the whole revenge plot much better than thorfinn. The underlying subtext of berserk with one man against all of hell without any God is also pretty kino. Thorfinn comes across as a try hard.
I liked him from the beginning, otherwise even with his wrongs why would you want to follow where his journey and eventual self-reflection leads him? Also you shouldn't call anyone a disingenuous gay while sitting there and pretending that
>What has he done?!
and
>What a dumb c**t.
are the same types of "unlikeable written characters". With one of those for a lot of viewers it becomes obvious early on why the characters have these flaws and that they are meant to grow through them and it is interesting to watch them get there. While the other kind is just writers who were unable to achieve that so the character is "unlikeable" in the way of a Karen with pointy ears seething at people so you prefer not watching her do anything.
>I liked him from the beginning
But many didn't and conversely many people like s1 Galadriel
Eren Jaeger is another manga/anime example. He was seen by many as a perpetually angry annoying crybaby and largely a divisive protag by SnK fans throughout, even after his 'development'
>conversely many people like s1 Galadriel
Who are these people of which you speak?
You do realize that Vinland Sagas author is extremely sexist against men right? Also the trannie
Yikes
>vinland saga
isn't it an anime about trans viking?
No, but it is a manga that was ruined by dumb shit like that.
The author is genuinely a fricked in the head "all the evil ever done in the world is male. if women ever do anything wrong it's because of men".
I think Yukimura would have a legit mental breakdown if he was ever forced to interact with women he doesn't personally like. (or if he found out about Thatcher)
>Well ack-tually we totally meant to write an unlikeable, uninteresting character!!!
This is just sad. Also where those "questionable moments" all the moments all the time? Because that is were most people disliked her.
The intention is not to make a character 'unlikable' but the expectation is that a significant portion will not because you are guiding people to having negative responses to her negative actions.
Some of this is through music choices and unsympathetic framing, like nobody in Numenor is there to try and justify her actions. She's seen as a complete nuisance and while she gets her way in the end the result of this is again negative as she pointlessly leads a bunch of Numenoreans to their death.
The whole point it to start a character at a low point but show her taking herself to her lowest and then follow her as she drags herself up again rejecting darkness/despair for light/hope, seinen protag style.
God fricking damn it I hate you anime secondaries. There's literally nothing between all 3 of those series that have ANYTHING in common. Don't fricking put them in an image together.
For starters, berserk was always about guts being a hardass to survive in a cruel world. There's never a point in the story where he realizes he needs to put the sword down.
Thorfinn is written by the biggest cuck with zero historical knowledge, or any reading comprehension. Literally kindergarten tier world view on conflict. Motherfricker has good art and that's it. His terrible writing reveals it when thorfinn can't actually convince anyone to put down their weapons until after they spend half an hour beating him up to get it out of their system. Yeah, totally a rational belief system that the world should adopt. Just sit and take a beating until your aggressor gives up.
And fixing vagabond? It's about a guy who just likes to fight and tried seeking meaning in his love of violence. At no point did he need to "seek light in the darkness". homie just likes to fight, leave him be.
I'm using anime/manga examples because that's what the thread is about.
You want something western that uses the same kind of character as a protag? Batman
capeshit is for children
you could have used breaking bad as an example instead, as walter frequently kills people, does heinous acts, and ruins all of his relationships
at least in his case though his cancer, shit job, and cancer make him sympathetic
I didn't put the image together you fricking gaygit.
If you actually knew anything of what you talk about you would have known that those three characters are regularly used as examples as characters that start who repurpose themselves after a huge life event we see that causes them to re-assess everything about themselves and what life actually means to them
Berserk and Vinland Saga being the most direct comparisons to ROP of taking a character in a bad place, taking them lower and then giving them a huge infection point for change over the rest of their story.
Character development 101, homosexual
>those three characters are regularly used as examples as characters that start who repurpose themselves after a huge life event we see that causes them to re-assess everything about themselves and what life actually means to them
By who? Midwits like yourself? How utterly banal and simple-minded. You're stripping away everything about these characters to fit YOUR narrative, YOUR projected expectations. You don't care about what the characters stand for you just want them to be stand ins for your opinion.
Case in point
>Berserk and Vinland Saga being the most direct comparisons to ROP of taking a character in a bad place, taking them lower and then giving them a huge infection point for change over the rest of their story.
So....the comparison between all 3 is that they experience something bad, and change.... yeah, you see why we think you're a fricking moron? You couldn't even begin to explain the actual character traits of 1 of those characters, let alone find the similarities between all 3.
You might as well say "they eat and sleep therefore they're similar".
If they had similar opinions, or shared a similar philosophy it would be an argument. But you keep saying character growth is the similarity.
Galadriel isn't on the same level as guts or Eren btw. She's a retconned character made by committee, of a billion dollar organization, in a mismanaged show. There's nothing organic about her fanbase. It's just brute forced marketing. Come back when she's had 30 years of hardcore fans that have outlasted VHS and mistranslations because the contents of guts' character is just THAT appealing
>Noooo there aren't any similarities between characters that lose loved ones in early life that sets them off on a revenge quest of obsession that takes them to a really dark place before having that chance of revenge taken away from them after which they re-assess everything they have done up until now a realise all they have done is inflicted more pain misery and suffering on themselves and others around them so they repurpose they existence to do good for themselves and those around them rejecting despair and darkness for hope and light in face of a world that constantly challenges that idealism
You dumb fricking homosexual lol
Also
>He doesn't think SnK has made by committee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Learn to Greentext before you reply to me, newbie
Amazon shill moment
>For starters, berserk was always about guts being a hardass to survive in a cruel world. There's never a point in the story where he realizes he needs to put the sword down.
Guts was an unlikable butthole during the black swordsman arc though. Don't make excuses.
Guts wasn't "unlikeable", he was purposely trying to keep people at a distance because of his upbringing. he was also living through a magic apocalypse where manners went out the window.
It was never one dimensional, if he met a child he'd become protective and sweet, if he saw people in need he'd help. He was an butthole to people so that he wouldn't be hurt when they inevitably died, like with the band of the hawk.
Comparing guts' defence mechanism from a lifetime of pain to galadriels senseless c**tiness makes no sense.
>if he met a child he'd become protective and sweet
He literally took kids as hostages to use as bait for monsters and rode in carts with them knowing full well that he put them in danger, without telling them.
Guts was a complete psycho c**t during Black Swordsman and Lost Children, he enjoyed hurting people to try and mask his own pain and yes appeared very one dimensional revenge obsessed c**t. Extremely selfish and barely any redeeming qualities were presented until Conviction arc. Absolutely worse than Galadriel in every conceivable way.
Ok, but what about if I said guts was really fricking cool. Hence he was likeable.
Same with Kratos from god of war.
See their mistake was in planning that far ahead when nobody was ever going to watch a second season
>w-we made her unlikable on purpose I swear
I bet, I also bet she won't fail as usual in season 2 and the "things she shouldn't be doing" won't matter or impact the story. She will still be perfect but unlikely and probably won't change.
Ahh, so THESE are the "tranime" posters.
Explains so much.
drink bleach
HBO shill as well? Shill gathering ITT
How's HBO paying ya?
The silmarillion is technically Tolkien’s main work and it’s full of conplex and morally grey characters. Feanor being the best that I can think of.
It's really weird seeing people make bait for things when they haven't engaged with either the source material or the fandom. It's like if you made bait for asoiaf and where your cringe wojaks said "dude, like, breasts and prostitutesons..."
Lel. Mind if I save that, sir?
>what if one side is good and the other is evil
this but unironically, I'm so tired of midiwt "grey" and "complex" characters and I'm tired of redditors who jerk off on how sophisticated morons they are because the main villain in their cape shit killed a guy but he also kinda feels bad about it, damn so deep. kys moron
>uhm acshually Tolkien is bad
So why are you insisting on plagiarizing his work again?
>it's bad on purpose
Ha
>is that character flawed? Nooooo
>the writing is shit and the characters are garbage? that's... heh... le GOOD?
This is you.
>female character with no flaws are mary-sues
>female characters with flaws are bad
The eternal chud
>shit character is shit for these reasons
>shit character is shit for other reasons
>you're le nazi if you think this
Huhhh chudsisters?? the transfolx are SLAYIN on us again???????
biden will lose, trump will win. and then we start civil war against you piece of shit leftist c**ts.
and yet the show never acknowledges how much of a piece of shit she is
we are just expected to accept and celebrates her
>yet the show never acknowledges how much of a piece of shit she
It does, several times. Adar directly calls her evil, Sauron basically says 'nobody else will have you but me because they think you have no goodness left in you'
Even indirectly, as Gil-galad says he hoped that sending her away would cure the tree blight (because he obviously just sees her as their doombringer)
She acknowledges it directly by telling Theo not to be like her.
Not that any of this stops her being a selfish b***h who just causes problems for others, but the characters definitely know it and it is addressed, albeit in brief moments.
And yet it dosnt feel like it since shes such a mary sue. She gets everything she wants, shes the best at everything and puts everybody in their place.
Her "failures" seem like just the ways to push the plot forward.
The only ones i like in the show as the elf and the dwarf, both of them seem like real characters.
Still the hobbits were the worst part since they have 0 fricking relation to the story. Zero.Their only point is to introduce Gandalf (or who ever the new wizard is), something that could have been done in a single fricking scene as he is just a bait for season 2.
Either way the show lacks self awareness about herm when shes upside down riding a horse it sure as frick dosnt feel like its some type of criticism of her character.
>Their only point is to introduce Gandalf
They're there because they needed to remind the audience that they're watching something lotr related
The whole point of her character is that she's going too far and "touches the darkness" and "becomes indistinguishable from the thing she wants to destroy" etc. This is from the beginning, and constant throughout the season. It's the defining trait of her character (and an unresolved arc).
I'm not defending the show in general, but you're just a moron.
We all know RoP Galadriel would be a beloved character if she was a man.
Galadriel would probably be better received if she wasn't called Galadriel
Barely anybody has a concept of what Galadriel was like when she was younger. Even Tolkien went back and forth a bunch of times, one version she's a rebellious leader of an army and another she's a near perfect pacifist who avoids all conflict.
The only people who think they know who Galadriel is and get big mad at this kind of depiction of her are people who don't know how nebulous her character was and just want to get big mad because women in fantasy makes great chudrage bait.
> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/
> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/
> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/
Kek. Never thought I would see another YTMND again.
Haha. I haven't been there is years.
>We ruined this character, and here's why it is a GOOD thing
That's a really moronic comparison to make. RoP sucks btw
what elves
Everything mogs the ring of power piece of shit,even tranime yes
the producers arent likeable
>The Frieren anime is behind heralded as the second coming of Christ by weebs because it's not a bog standard fantasy anime slop #23142321.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, it already turned into your generic battle manga slop.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, they already retconned the Demon King's defeat as a super secret plan by the Demon Lords, who by the way still have entire armies intact.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, they introduced fricking time travel.
Oh boy, are they up for some disappointment down the line. The source material has already jumped the shark.
Why did Rings of power f-ACK
That anime is not woke, it doesn't subvert a previous work nor it shits on it.
if the west was in charge of Frieren she'd be gay, Flamme and Fern would be Black folk, demons would actually be the good guys and it'd look like this
Looks bretty good actually. What show?
Scavengers Reign
great visuals ... realy bad plot
it came from the same nihilistic israelite school as rick an morty, so while the artists created one of the most creative world ever, the writers took a shit on it
so dunno, i wouldnt really recommend, watch if you are really bored
which fotm tranime will they spam next?
I want to clap Morfydds pale bum cheeks from behind vigorously.
No condoms.
It’s crazy how fat she is
She's cute so she's likeable
frieren is extremely unlikeable
>wait he was flirting with me the entire time!!!????? and he died old and alone???!?
>eh idc i live forever LOL
shit show
shit character
boring dogshit
Did you only watch the trailer?
>eh idc i live forever LOL
She definitely does care, she spends the entire show obsessing about a dude who died decades ago. You might be autistic if you were unable to pick up on the very obvious signs the show presents to the audience.
she couldn’t give less of a shit about himmel until after he died
I just don’t buy that after countless confessions the only reason she didn’t pick up on it is because of le long lifespan
the only reason himmel died unfulfilled is so that frieren could have a regret.
because otherwise she’d have no character
She's autistic, even among elves who are the setting's autistic race. Also she spent centuries living all alone in the forest, dealing with people doesn't come easy to her.
yes but this is SHIT writing
there was no real reason for her not to pick up on himmel, it’s all brushed under “that’s just the way she is” and for something so contrived to be the foundation of ALL the emotional beats just means the story is extremely frustrating to watch
Except she's shown to be completely clueless about just about everything that isn't magic or killing monsters, it's not just Himmel that she doesn't get. The only person she really seems to understand is Serie because Serie is another autistic elf just like Frieren, but aside from that her cluelessness is consistent.
You didn't watch the show at all if you are pretending that is your takeaway
There's no way people actually like this godawful, overrated, downright emotionless tranime, right? It's just a big meme like kagurabachi, right?
I haven't seen rings of power, but this sounds like the dumbest fricking comparison I've ever heard of, and I like Frieren.
First of all I never really considered galadriel as a character who is supposed to be 'likable', and what, the goal is to make her more like frieren? Okay I guess make her a goofy autist played by somebody like Snood, there's your frieren-like likable galadriel...
>one billion dollars
>not even the youtube shills have the energy to promote it anymore
at least the other stream piggies will see ads for it while they watch their prime slop right bezos xisters?
>mfw they took down the reaction video of the 4 zoomers, who never heard of lord of the rings before they were paid to talk about for amazon.
>Sauron be bussin!
>Gladriel is a strong powerful woman here and that's a good thing!
>slop
>slop japan
What other anime have had paid shill campaigns like Frieren
I don't remember Galadriel in Rings of Power being unlikable.
>omg she is autistic like me, A+!!!!
aurabros....
The fact that people stan Aura proves Frieren was right.
>stan
Speak English you little frick.
>Galadriel being shit was intentional i swear!
Nobody believes asides from shills here. Also Galadriel was so shit that the villian endep up looking good unironically and don't tell me she "grows up" because the last scene of the show is Galadriel literally hiding the truth of Sauron and dooming eregion
>Galadriel was so shit that the villian endep up looking good unironically
Absolutely intentional, this what should have been the most obvious because they absolutely spell the intention of framing Galadriel as bad and Adar/Sauron as good, or at least sympathetic, in s1
I mean Adar literally says to her face 'wow you're almost as bad as Sauron!'
In s2 Adar will now have more orc like prosthetics on his face to make him look more monstrous and Halbrand gets really badly injured early and will have a fiery/ashy disfigured look to his face, you know like bad guy!
They are not doing this with subtly, yet still goes way over the head of Cinemaphile kek
Good morning sir
>making "good guy" hitler tier, satanic schizo
>making bad guy sympathetic
I hate modern media
This obnoxious mary sue is the Taylor Swift of anime, stop forcing your fat elf psyop everywhere.
galadriel acts like a twenty year old roastie and that's the main issue I had with her. completely unconvincing centuries old elf
Frieren and most shitsekai that have elf girls are dogshit pandering to coomer nerd losers with long eared autism/quirky mystical dreamy girl. Last good anime with an elf girl was Lodoss War (1990) and in general most fantasy media that feature elfs from the have been shit like Elves in general peaked too early with Tolkien's bibliography
>Why would people who were hired to raise a company's ESG score that openly talk about how much they hate the product they are working on make an inferior product despite spending 100m per episode?
Those who made the show have nothing but contempt for Tolkien's beliefs which are fundamental to the source material and so can't understand it.
(OP)
>The Frieren anime is behind heralded as the second coming of Christ by weebs because it's not a bog standard fantasy anime slop #23142321.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, it already turned into your generic battle manga slop.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, they already retconned the Demon King's defeat as a super secret plan by the Demon Lords, who by the way still have entire armies intact.
>Meanwhile, in the manga, they introduced fricking time travel.
Oh boy, are they up for some disappointment down the line. The source material has already jumped the shark.
>they introduced fricking time travel.
I figured that would happen anyway after a while (and I'm only watching the anime), where Future Frieren ended up actually living with Himmel during the timeskip. It's too kino not to do
It's not "kino", it's going the way of all contrived shonen power fantasy slop. The whole point was that she missed her chance for experiencing love due to her disconnect from life, and her undergoing a melancholic journey of self-discovery.
Instead now we're getting "muh mana is higher than your mana" power wank, secret keikaku dori plans, retconning established facts, and time travel.
Because the writers are hacks who forced the characters to fit the story even if it made no sense. Like Galadriel basically saying "frick you" to the queen's face and she not only doesn't get executed or kicked out immediately, but she ends up being gifted a ship and small army to get her to where she needs to go.
>selfish male characters are good
>selfish female characters are bad
Cinemaphile logic
frieren isn't cheesed to meet you
RoPe failed because that´s not Galadriel. They took the Nerwen shit too far. Yes, Galadriel was as physically proficient as male elves, hence her mother naming her man-maiden but that was relatively early during the first age.
In the end she didn´t choose the path of the sword. She choose instead to learn magic from a maia called Melian and became a politician very early because she had ambitions. She wanted to rule.
She is very cold, cunning, intelligent, wise and unlike her amazon´s counterpart that goes around telegraphing her emotions no one could ever tell what she was thinking. Even Sauron could never read her mind or deceive her (though she could read his). She did not stay on middle earth for something as petty as vengeance but to rule.
She is also married to Celeborn and for elves marriage concerns their eternal souls. They are never unfaithful so bedding Sauron is out of the question too. Heck, their daughter is Elrond´s wife.
So yeah, the actual Galadriel is not this heroic strong female warrior...
They did the same fricking thing as JJ Star Trek, where the first thing we see of the supposedly dignified elder race are a bunch of stupid child bullies and then the protagonist beats them up to show how awesome they are.
"unlikable" is when a female character makes manchildren feel threatened.
Marcille is better
Don't start
Frieren > Marcille, but Dungeon Meshi is a better anime
Am I the only one who would rather frick galadriel from RoP than galadriel from LOTR? lotr G. looks creepy and skinny, RoP version is THICC
Started reading sousou no freiren like 3 years ago because of the post media res premise or whatever and that was interesting but it quickly degenerated into shonenshit tournament garbage
I never watched Rings of Power but Frieren is fricking boring as hell, I dropped it after the Aura Guillotine episode. Literally no plot, not a single interesting obstacle on the way, no character progression
Why are weebs so ungodly cringy?
Because they build their entire personality around anime/manga. Its not just something they watch or read, it structure their entire perception of art.
This thread really is bad. These guys should go to Cinemaphile instead.
I fricking hate all these youtube reviewers and "video essayists", they always have the most moronic opinions. Even when the premise looks good they always have the most moronic arguments in the world. They don't know shit about anything.
There's a handful of god ones, but like everything there was a goldrush of morons scrambling to get into the market and now there's thousands of low effort trash being pumped out by morons.
The Galadriel (and Halbrand) storyline literally follows the Japanese four act structure. Totally works like an anime storyline where they just buddy copping along together to find Sauron and develop a relationship but then at the end it's revealed oh whoops the person who is helping her find Sauron is actually Sauron!! Then they both kind of just leave each other and nothing gets resolved. Classic Japanese style storytelling.
That anime is only talked about because people want to put their penis in the characters.
Oh Lawd Dem Rangz is also trash.
You're all weak and uncultured.
People who make YouTube videos like this deserve to be laughed at. Same with OP making moronic threads
Elf Ruri
bump
Because people remember OG Galadriel & realize how bad Amazon’s version of her was. Weeb elf aside, rings of power was all spectacle & what substance it had was bad. That amazon sunk so much money into it was just funny.
Characters don't have to be likable to be well written, but neither of those characters are well written so whatever.
gays on Cinemaphile are getting slaughtered
They want to destroy what YOU like.
they clearly did not read
1: the hobbit
2: lord of the rings
3: the silmarillion
4: the legendarium