Why did SEED recycle so many plot ideas from the og gundam shows?
>Stella and shin
Kamille and four
>coordinators
Newtypes
>Genesis and the other super weapons
Solar system
>Andrew waltfeld
Ramba ral
I can go on. And they even recycle the mobile suit designs too.
it's simple. Fukuda likes 0079 and asked Tomino for his input.
Fukada's never seen 0079, Tomino gave him advice for interacting with Bandai, not the show.
Tomino slapped his 80+ year old dick on the table and Fukada swallowed it whole.
Good. Fukuda loved Turn A after all.
He's a braindead mecha fanboy. I don't think there's ever been a robot show ever made he did not like.
he didn't like Gundam X
Smart.
>meant to be the gundam for the 21st century
>not reintroducing things from the original
Also, why do these bait threads keep on lumping Destiny unto SEED?
Catches more people that way.
Frick off SEEDgay. You guys are cancer on our board
Tell it to OP (homosexual), not me.
Cope.
SEED and SEED Destiny are the best Gundam shows and always will be the case.
the entire premise of the show is "MSG for the new generation"
it's just that somewhere along the way they left behind most (not all, but most) of the things that made the original great
OP is either baiting or an utter moron. He's a homosexual regardless.
To recap, after the franchise's slump during the 1990s, the production committee behind SEED (Sunrise, Bandai and MBS) conceived it right from the start as a close remake/reimagining of the original series, to the point of directly copying the entire first arc from it:
>Gundam being developed on a lone colony on L5
>asteroid fortress with unfriendly allies
>battle in orbit directly followed by desert arc with an enemy ace
Morosawa's admitted inexperience with the franchise was perfect for these plans, since they wouldn't have to deal with an Imagawa-type situation, where the staff inserts their own ideas instead of following what the suits want.
Literally every Gundam rehashes from 0079 and Zeta. 00's 2nd season gets shit on so hard because the 1st season actually introduces new ideas and then the 2nd season just gives up on all that and turns into a Zeta clone.
I'm at episode 28, and all Flay has done is walk about being miserable, acted like a giant b***h and tried to pussywhip Kira and failed at it. Does she ever do anything at all that contributes to the story?
Yeah, later she will be intentionally released back to OMNI with the secret nuclear jammer canceler tech that will allow nuclear reactors and warheads to work again.
She disappears from the plot after being kidnapped, then
happens and gets killed.
What is with the constant, godawful flashbacks? Every dramatic moment is undercut by a flashback. Flay tries to shoot Dearka? Show a flashback of it after it happened less than 30 seconds ago in-story. Show a million flashbacks of Nikol becoming half the man he used to be. These endless flashbacks severely undercut what should be good dramatic and character moments. Every time it feels like we might get a good moment, in goes a flashback. Was the production that troubled that they needed to recycle so much animation to keep things going?
Filler. It saves you money.
>what should be good dramatic and character moments
I don't think they were good in the first place. Too soap opera drama.
And to answer your question, shitty directing. I don't remember any other Gundam series (or anime, period) that abused flashbacks the way SEED did. Stock footage ("bank", in industry jargon) is a different bag of potatoes, and Toei is by far the worst offender.
I'm pretty sure there was that one EA officer who had more lines in flashbacks than in real time. Studio must have saved some yen on reusing so many lines.
contrary to popular belief I don't think the use of flashbacks in SEED was largely a money issue, after seeing Fukuda's non Gundam work I've noticed it's just something he likes to do. Or maybe his wife liked to do.
It made since back when it aired since streaming didn't exist yet. Not everyone could tune in to every single episode
It was excessive even at the time.
Shows don't do flashbacks to save money. They reuse cuts in things like fast-paced fight scenes or establishment shots.
Besides, SEED had an absurdly large budget for an anime show. They don't have an excuse.
Probably just padding because his script isnt that big for 50 episodes
Because they could get away with it as it's their property.
>muh Morosawa
Gee, it's nice that SEEDgays have a sole boogeywoman they can point at whenever anyone has critiques or complaints of the show. It couldn't be that the entire staff were complete hacks.
The entire staff were complete hacks. Learn to draw a face, motherfricker.
Head screenwriter, credited with writing most of the series' episode, who admitted to know very little about mecha anime. At least Fukuda proved he had a sliver of competence with Cyber Formula. It's the same reason people blame Okuichi for G-Witch, or Fukui for Unicorn/Narrative/Yamato 2202, and not their respective directors.
>a sole boogeywoman
"Sole"? Have you been on /m/ for an hour, newhomosexual? The people responsible for the disaster that was SEED are, in order:
>1. Head screenwriter Chiaki Morosawa
>2. Head director Mitsuo Fukuda,
>3. Character designer Hisashi Hirai
>4. Chief producer Seiji Takeda
>5. Soichiro Hoshi
Everyone else proved their worth and competence in other projects they made, especially Shigeru Morita, who wrote the technical settei for the series and the screenplay for Stargazer.
And while Okawara was phoning it in with the mobile suit designs, Yamane brought his best game for the ships and other vehicles.
Oh, and by the way,
>muh
Frick off
Why Kira's VA?
I had a feeling it would be about Kira's crying ahaha
I actually like him a lot, I think his voice fits his character
He's nowhere near as interesting or as memorable as Amuro, Kamille, Judau, Setsuna, even fricking Suletta has more going on than Kira does.
lol
lmao
Kira is better than all of them.
I still have to watch the UC trilogy and I don't have plans on watching G-Witch so far but I did watch 00 and while I loved Setsuna I don't get why people don't have the same problems with him as Kira?
Keep in mind I'm going to finish SEED for the first time today so I still have a lot to see with Kira.
Setsuna turns into actual Gundam Jesus, but it feels earned given what he goes through before and during the story.
Kira just gets handouts and plot asspulls in his favour, but admittedly that's more of a problem in Destiny.
>Suletta
Okay, you almost got me there, anon.
I’m gonna be honest I don’t remember a single line of dialogue that came out of Kira’s mouth besides ASSUURAAAAAN and his absurd crying. He left such little impact on me
His screaming is really iconic. It's what made Higurashi so fun to listen.
NTA but
>every major character's VA has given great performances but him
>barely emotes
>UAGUGUHAGHUUH
.......RAKKUSU!!!!!!!!!!!!
because it wasnt good
Is it true that Fukuda said that if Flay was alive Kira would have ended up with her instead of Lacus?
it would make sense. he seemed pretty happy to know she was still alive until Rau killed her a few seconds later
It's literally meant to be a reimagining of MSG for a modern audience you moronic mouthbreather.
All AUs do this
Wing doesn't have transhumanism nor a Ramba Ral clone.
(a list of all the doom lasers from Gundam. Let me know if I missed any)
>UC
Solar Ray
Solar System
Gryps II
>Wing
Bulge
Libra
>X
Satellite Cannon
Colony laser
>SEED
GENESIS
Requiem
Neo-GENESIS
>00
Memento Mori
Celestial Being
>AGE
La Gramis
>G-Witch
ILTS
>Bulge
I don't know how you gringos transcribe "バルジ". I watched that shit in Spanish.
"Buluge", obviously, known for its equipped beam. But actually it's Barge.
>Newtypes
SEED's equivalent would be SEED mode, and even so, it has literal newtypes. Coordinators are Spacenoids with perhaps some Nippon Banzai sprinkled in.
Despite the nonsense with Rau and Mwu, Coordinators are supposed to be the CE's Newtypes, as the setting's "human innovation".
So, were all spacenoids newtypes, then? Were all newtypes spacenoids? When was the idea of newtypes introduced into the original story, and why?
Anon, you aren't making any sense. "Spacenoids" are just the people who live in space, whereas "Newtypes" are meant to be the next step in human evolution in the UC, which is what Coordinators are supposed to be for SEED.
>When was the idea of newtypes introduced into the original story
The term "Newtype" itself appears for the first time in episode 38 of First Gundam, but the concept of espers had been mentioned before on the series, when Matilda points out Amuro's abilities. Furthermore, the overall idea is present on the planning documents for the series, dating back to 1978.
>and why
Not only were psychic powers a usual sight on anime and science fiction of the era (a lot of them influenced by Star Wars, obviously), but Tomino himself still has a bunch of kooky ideas about evolution and whatnot.
>"Newtypes" are meant to be the next step in human evolution in the UC
You're talking about contolism, which was a spacenoid supremacist theory that had no correlation with how newtypes actually work. I'm bringing up when it was introduced in the series to draw attention to the concept's dramatic purpose.
>You're talking about contolism
I am? No, I am not. I'm talking about Newtypes themselves. Although their appearance matched up with Deikun's ramblings about Spacenoid independence, they are not the same thing. For one, Earthnoids like General Revil and Bright have Newtype-like symptoms.
Again, I don't understand where you are going with this. In SEED, Coordinators are supposed to be the evolution of mankind that Newtypes were in the UC. This is made clear by the story itself and interviews with staff.
Newtypes were flukes that appeared irregularly as special individuals and eventually all but fizzled out of existence. Coordinators are an entire race and nation that formed following in the footsteps of a certain ideologue.
>and eventually all but fizzled out of existence
Or, they all evolved or migrated far away from the Solar System.
That's about as relevant a supposition as Amuro and Char fighting Ideon.
Not really. Turn A's lore is explicit about off-Solar System migration.
shit dude... idk, actually watch SEED, coordinators are stand-ins for spacenoids, the people that have the SEED factor are C.Es newtype stand-in given that is a boost that even naturals can reach (cagalli), just like newtype frickery was originally introduced.
As much as we debate the merits and flaws of 0079, it's by all accounts a much better show than fricking SEED.
>comic sans
Seed is 0079 but tailored for gays and fujos.
It has good music but it's still a shit show compared to the OG
/m/ is dead
/m/ is back
>recycle so many plot ideas from the og gundam shows
Because the formula works? Even Tomino does this but he tweaks it to make it feel something different.
Hack
Seed is 0079 except kino and i'm tired of pretending otherwise
Amuro turning into a frag machine and getting into a sword fight at the end of MSG is 100x better than anything in seed.
The episode where those Zeon rascals plant all the bombs on the gundam is 1000x better.
MSG is schlock that hasn't aged well at all. I don't know why you homosexuals pretend it's good
Here's your (you)
>Seed is 0079 except [term only morons use]
Seems about right
>Andrew Waltfield is very clearly meant to be a Ramba Ral clone
>both characters have a role in the story to demonstrate that there are in fact moral and decent people on the opposing side and to show Amuro and Kira that things aren’t so black and white
>Andy’s death in particular serves to further grind Kira into the dirt for having to kill a man he knew wasn’t bad, though it serves as a learning experience and helps build his character
>except he miraculously survives, joins the Archangel and nonchalantly brushes off Kira’s claim that he should be angry at him. He holds zero ill will despite having been maimed and having his partner killed and the whole thing is dropped completely afterwards
I genuinely have no idea what the frick they were trying to accomplish here
Andy was popular, so he got retroactive plot armour. Who cares about character development or logical writing when you can have a power fantasy where everything works out for the MC.
Andy was only brought back because they needed another cool adult.
Should Andy be mad, he tried to kill Kira and all his friends. He's established as a pretty wise and experienced guy... him being pissy about the fact he lost would be more out of character.
SEED is just a 0079 remake but with a Bandai producer visiting every week asking Fukuda to cut costs
still looks 10 times better than the eye bleach that was 0079. don't get me wrong i loved the show but it looked worse than dogshit
10% of every single fricking SEED episode was flashbacks. At least 0079 didn't recycle itself for padding that egregiously.
You say padding, I say look at the comprehension of modern anime viewers and tell me they retain information worth half a damn.
They can fricking learn.
That estimation is generous to SEED. I would say it's closer to 50% in the latter half of the series.
20 years later, when attention spans have supposedly been destroyed by smartphones and web 2.0, the average viewer has little difficulty following the average show, which doesn't ever use flashbacks. Besides, half of the flashbacks occur immediately after their contents were just directly alluded to and in some cases happened less than 5 minutes ago.
Here's a better question. What girl in Gundam has by far the largest boobs?
Because it was supposed to be the new U.C.
Is Seed the non-UC Gundam I should watch if 0079 is my favorite so far? Have seen Wing and tried to watch IBO but it was too fujo.
SEED is the literal fujo gundam anime (but lets be honest, so was 0079 and CCA). but it's the closest one to UC since it's heavily inspired by it
watch X
Her breasts died for nothing
What was that one gundam that released the invisible rainbow lights that deleted people when they touched them?
The g self with its anti matter missiles?
Fillet
Imagine the smell
Giving Flay free breast cancer check ups.
Fukuda doesn't have anything original in his backbone to begin with. Even with the works you consider good are copied from better stories and ideas.
this is true for literally anything in the past 40 years
find something else to nitpick
What was G-Reco copying?
The brain waves of a stroke victim
All of Tomino's previous shows
Such as?
F-Reco
What was Cross Ange copied from?
Not that anon, but probably Ride Back given how both have motorcycle bots with Nana Mizuki in the main role.
>bots
Meant to type wienerpits
what about all the hot racy lesbian prison stuff?
Any hentai OVA.
Maybe Fukuda found out about Kangoku Senkan and wanted a piece of it for himself.
Would certainly explain the lips on all the female character designs in the new movie.
Stop bumping dead threads, you idiot.
no. kys. i'll do whatever i want moron
Because when Seed was written the internet wasn't as ubiquitous or streamlined as it is now, so the only people with ready access to old gundam media were those lucky enough to own old home releases, recorded VHS tapes or those of us in the then budding peer 2 peer file communities. Seed was seen at the time as an affectionate retread of "classic" gundam with a new millennium spin. It wasn't really seen as creatively bankrupt or offensive as the last 4 gundam series had been pretty massive departures from those older UC shows. So for its time it WAS a breath of fresh air. At least until Destiny.
>so the only people with ready access to old gundam media were those lucky enough to own old home releases, recorded VHS tapes
You're talking nonsense. Japan has always had a huge home video market, to the point Bandai has its own division for it, Emotion (the moai).
While VHS was almost exclusively used for rentals, Laserdisc was the dominant home video format.
>Mobile Suit Gundam III Place in the Encounter
???
I can't even blame Engrish for that one. "宇宙" literally translates to "space", as in "cosmos, universe".