Why did she get shilled hard as Sonic's rival when she is going to job twice to him?
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Why did she get shilled hard as Sonic's rival when she is going to job twice to him?
Because shadow has so many mandates he isnt worth using and his reputation got forever ruined with his own game.
Isn’t the real Shadow fricking dead? Also fpbp
The original game implied that, and some, such as myself, think Shadow should have stayed dead (with occasional multiplayer character and Sonic Skin unlockables).
Sonic Heroes tried to set some "mystery" by implying he was an android copy, but his own game ultimately stated he was the Shadow we met in SA2.
At least Gamma stayed dead
Shadow was too cool for his own good.
By the way, the lady who played Jessica Jones was cast in Sonic 3 and people are speculating it’s Rouge. I don’t know how to feel about that or where to talk about it other than here.
It’s not even confirmed Rouge or Amy. Maybe it’s a human oc like that fat black lady that gets together with a glowie? I’m looking forward to the disappointment?
Shadow was never meant to stay dead. They always planned to bring him back.
>>By the way, the lady who played Jessica Jones was cast in Sonic 3 and people are speculating it’s Rouge. I don’t know how to feel about that or where to talk about it other than here.
I'm going to be disappointed in the internet if this doesn't multiply the Rouge mind break porn output.
They say in his own game during the final fight he is the real one
Shadow the Hedgehog (the actual game) true ending reveals that he was never dead or a robot or a clone.
GUN just put him in a coma and made a bunch of robots using him as a model.
Eggman made those robots, not GUN. And it was also him that saved Shadow after SA2.
My bad, it's been a while.
That game isn't exactly one I'm dying to replay often.
Do those mandates exist anymore?
every IP has mandates anon. Sega's are just moronic .
Yakuza can be very persuasive
The Yakuza are weak compared to Penders
Shadow is still the second most popular character, what are you smoking? Have you seen the reactions to the next movie and game?
I think his problem is that he’s too popular so writers are walking on eggshells with him. The fact that mandates might exist at all is indicative to how little risk they want to put him through
It’s a huge risk bringing back Black Doom of all characters, and going through Shadow’s backstory.
You mean his blackstory?
It is funny considering Black Doom, Professor Gerald and Maria (and anything Project Shadow backstory related) were supposed to be "forbidden" with the current mandates... which just comes to show how easy Sega changes their mind.
Unless that is somewhat related to SA and SA2 finally becoming available through Steam in Japan.
>which just comes to show how easy Sega changes their mind.
Nothing new there. They change canon every other week.
>were supposed to be "forbidden" with the current mandates
Probably a case of 'if we want to talk about it we want it in the games and not the comic'
If they decided to put Shadow in Sonic 3, they had to talk about it again eventually. They’ve already had Sonic’s Owlmom genocide the Echidnas, and die afterwards, so this isn’t too far of a leap in the movieverse.
>how easy Sega changes their mind.
Partially that, mostly Sega just being a b***h and wanting to do all the big events and character stories themselves first.
These reactions wouldn't exist if he stayed dead, was likely his point.
The mandates aren’t a problem. Ian just doesn’t want to write him properly. The guy who wrote Scrapnik Island said that the mandates were a total non-issue meaning Ian’s just a crybaby.
Considering that in prime shadow wasnt even allowed to be shown inside a house because it would imply he owned it the mandates are very much so an issue.
that's Boom you dumbass, nobody owns houses in Prime
>that's Boom you dumbass
Someones a little grump and needs some tickles to cheer up
>Ian just doesn’t want to write him properly.
Ian has never written Shadow properly.
I'm glad the director of the movies actually likes shadow, so I don't expect funny business there
Except for the movie Sega has no input whatsoever.
>so I don't expect funny business there
The only thing I have to look forward with the movies is for idiots for you to get led by the nose.
you really think they are going to make him a clown like in the comics?
They made all the characters clowns so why not?
your bait is weak and sad
So are the movies, which says alot about you liking them.
His Archie Shadow is great, I think it's ridiculous the extent this board has gone to shit on Ian.
I will stop shitting on him when Shadow stops being a yamcha tier jobber and Silver stops being treated like a 5-year-old child with 0 life experience fawning over literal whos
>when Shadow stops being a yamcha tier jobber
It was a moment of overconfidence from years ago you hyperbolic jackass.
>and Silver stops being treated like a 5-year-old child with 0 life experience fawning over literal whos
Stop putting all of your chips into Silver the Hedgehog.
>a moment of overconfidence
You mean and OOC moment explicitly made to take him out of the story, Shadow has never been that rash or has never acted like that. Ian literally writes him as if he was Vegeta.
You can cope all you want, but Prime and even Boom of all things had a better Shadow that anything he does.
I'd agree on Prime, despite still not getting round to season 3 it is finally nice to hear him have a good voice actor after Black Knight was the last time and they balance him having a sense of justice, a serious attitude and being a dick to Sonic weirdly well in the show despite its issues with the other characters
>His Archie Shadow is great
Which one? You better not be talking about the preboot version because that one was massively OOC.
How was that out of character? He found peace with himself and works as an operative, how in the world is that different from the end of his solo game?
Shadow would never act like this even in his debut. And if you're going to somehow try and say this is in-character or "better", then I'm going to have to say you know absolutely nothing about the character.
NTA but Shadow is fundamentally a shit character so him being OOC is usually a good thing.
>Shadow would never act like this even in his debut
Because most of the game he was brainwashed into doing the deeds of a rambling mad man?
And that brainwashing changed his personality too?
Media illiterate moron.
>And that brainwashing changed his personality too?
Considering he went form declaring revenge to wanting to save the world when he got his real memories back, yes. If he wanted it that bad he wouldn't have dropped it so easily.
>Goals = Personality
Thanks for proving my point. You can go be stupid somewhere else now.
>Goals = Personality
Your goals are shaped by your personality, yes.
>You can go be stupid somewhere else now.
Why? You seem to be fine doing it here.
Describe his personality
That's it? Because he showed a little vulnerability in finally getting to reconnect with the one soul he ever cared about? For one page? You want him to just do his usual mandated pouting and arm crossing and saying "hmph" to working with others, the same old shit over and over. You're obnoxious.
>You want him to just do his usual mandated pouting and arm crossing and saying "hmph" to working with others
Nta but that's the character, yes.
>the same old shit over and over.
Why are you so against consistenty?
It's consistent for his rocky exterior to give way to memories of Maria. This is honestly one of the moments that made me realize Shadow could be a good character and it's funny this is your whole argument that he sucked in Archie.
Why do you care so much about Shadow when you don't like how the character is supposed to be written? Do you want Sonic to punch Amy in a comic or game and excuse it as a "moment of frustration"?
Can...can we have that? Is that an option?
Simmer down, Boco.
Shut up and die Boco
You mean to tell me Sonic and Amy have never fought before in this entire series?
>His Archie Shadow is great
Lmao. I think it's ridiculous the amount of hoops archiegays jump through to defend Ian.
>The guy who wrote Scrapnik Island said that the mandates were a total non-issue
He's never touched Shadow so that's meaningless. Just because he had little problem on his one story does not mean they're not a thing.
I was going to literally say this. Now that Shadow is back with Gens DLC and the movie, they should have never made this dogshit character.
She was and never would have even been the Ultimate Lifeform. Sonic is the only one that should have a rival as powerful as gods.
Ian’s a lying piece of shit. He’s jus coming up with excuses for being a bad writer. If you read his own comics, his writing is virtually identical to his IDW writing, mean the mandates are nowhere near a strict as he claims, or don’t exist.
The writers of prime have confirmed the mandates are strict.
NTA, while I'm not denying the existence of mandates or directives (whatever you want to call them), I can't help but wonder if all these writers are just covering each other asses regarding how strict they truly are.
I doubt those Man of Action hacks even know who Flynn is, let alone cares.
Do they need to personally know him and be best pals with him to copy the "it isn't my fault! it's the mandates, I swear!" strategy?
Not if its true.
If the mandates exist, then how did Prime managed to make Shadow competent and not a jobber unlike Ian?
Prime didnt have Shadow being a angry jobber (i.e vegeta) and he had plot relevance
Its Ian's fault
>his reputation got forever ruined with his own game
Shadow the Hedgehog was an overall fun game with a few repetitive sections.
>his reputation got forever ruined with his own game
His game was based.
>Gonna be the main attraction of the 3rd Sonic movie.
>Spinoff series planned.
>Getting his own story in the Generations remaster.
Lol, no. Shadow is thriving, moron.
Knuckles is getting the spinoff.
Knuckles got a Spinoff cause they needed slop for Paramount+. It's a given that Shadow will get one too if Sonic 3 makes bank.
That and they already said they want a "Sonic cinematic universe".
Hey kids, 'member that one thing from Archie? Well here's something like it but completely neutered! Subscribe to my podcast!
Cry more IDW is going to appear in a mainline game. Theyre already mentioned in frontiers.
>bad comic character gets an offhanded mention in a bad video game
Oh man, I'm coping and seething over here.
Cope more Ian wrote everything with the intention of them appearing in the games. Its going to happen chud
Ian can intend all he wants. Sonic Team isn't obligated to do shit and Sega will likely tell them to toss everything and start over again anyway.
How come they couldn’t merge the comics and the games back in the day?
They literally did this, but Ian and staff didn't want their headcanon of Sonic outclassed by the official Sonic lore so all they bothered to do was making the designs on brand to modern Sonic and that's really it. They sure didn't act like the game cast one to one, and still don't.
They'll never exist in anything but spin-off mobile game cameos. And when their popularity underperforms there, Sega will make sure they're forgotten. Ian can pretend to have all the influence he wants, but outside the comics he's really nothing to the franchise. Frontiers had some of the worst writing in the series so far; it was the soundtrack that carried it into relevancy.
You can't say Frontiers had some of the worse writing when Forces was right before it or Rise of Lyric also
So did SatAM characters. What's your point?
that was an Easter Egg at best as Spinball was made by STI, not Sonic Team
>It doesn't matter cuz I say it doesn't
This doesn’t mean it’s canon, dude.
Like
said, Easter Egg only for American fans. Most Japanese fans don't even know about Archie Sonic and it's probably for the best. It's had a lot of nonsensical baggage that had to wither on the vine.
By that Logic Tangle isn’t canon either because she also only appears in a small easter egg and most Japanese people don’t give a shit about Sonic in general.
The Freedom Fighters were in a mandatory bonus stage, Tangle was only mentioned in idle dialogue that most people who play the game never heard.
Out of all the donuts, Sally is probably the biggest one. Not just because of pinball. But also because she appeared in a bunch of those kids books in the 90s. Caused Sega to force Ken to bring her back to life in issue 50. And was being explored as being made an attraction for the Sega park of kangaroo land.
Tangle meanwhile has a name drop, mobile phone skin, and Sonic Channel art work?
>Sega forced Ken to bring her back
Is that why he turned her into a raging bawd?
Nah, that was the failure of striking it out on his own. He always had a thing for Knuckles and secret society of grandpas. But he only went off the rails when his actual original creations failed and Sonic was only thing he ever did successfully.
Sonic Adventure didn't help either. And Frontiers only made it worse. Not that he would care.
Thoughts on the Fartchie cuck wanting a scorched earth outcome for the Sonic comics to feel superior?
Can IDW just get that last fricking nail and sell the IP already? Just fricking retcon everything, especially crying lesbians. Keep the gay duck, I like him.
At one point Surge gets beat so bad by Sonic she runs at the sight of him and starts crying in fear because she knows he’s going to hurt her. It’s insane how hard Evan has further ruined this character after Ian already made her a joke.
I just want Thunderbolt back. She was an adorable little ball of hate.
never read the comics but I hope she gets a good depiction in a cartoon in the future
Because they already had her concept thought up back from archie days and they knew a punk rock sad girl would make fans pick up the comic and go oooouuuhhh.
I like Whisper better, but I’ve never picked up a comic. I find her moronation and constant blubbering strangely endearing and cute.
It's what has been becoming popular of recent we can call it a jobber fetish or cringefail wife thing. Girls find it relatable and makes them feel better about themselves while guys more have that i must protect and fix her vibe. Also never said it worked just what their goal was also mostly just them being oc gays, like I mean look at all the hero girls they are all lesbians and very oc esque and annoying even whisper got infected by it by being around tangle
I just want Whisper to eat her emotions away until she can barely fit through doors anymore. The more she thinks about how she failed to even maintain her own body leads to more emotional eating. Just place a whole banana split sundae or ten pounds of whatever she likes to eat in her trough so she can graze like the sad little piggy wolf she is. Cringefail is an excellent term, she doesn’t need to win all the time to be a decent character
In contrast, Surge looks stupid. She’s like a discount Scourge who was already a discount Shadow.
Never mind your weird
Fricking weirdoes and their fetishes, right?
Has Sonic ever jobbed to anyone in the comics himself?
Archie Eggman beat the shit out of him, burned down Knothole, kidnapped tons of Mobians, and killed tons of them.
And then he had a mental breakdown after losing so much at some point, right?
And he turned Charmy moronic after he murdered his family and destroyed his kingdom.
Sasuga, Ian.
>Archie Eggman beat the shit out of him
Which lasted for 1 issue and had no impact
>burned down Knothole
Which was replaced by a literal utopia.
>kidnapped tons of Mobians, and killed tons of them.
Sonic was never there for any of that, if I remember correctly.
Eggman
Nack actually has a decent track record on Archie Sonic. Yes he loses in the end but no where near the total job out IDW Shadow or Surge undergo.
Surge isn't meant to be Sonic's rival, she's closer to a shitty version of Metal Sonic that's allowed to have development and not have any ties to Eggman. Her role in the story is to challenge Sonic's personality and quirks and the entire reason she stuck to the path of evil early on is because Sonic refused to take her mental breakdown seriously because he just loves to be an butthole to anyone he deems an enemy, which in turn, actually makes more enemies for him. This cover perfectly encapsulates what Surge is and what Sonic is to her, Tails had the smarts to tell that Kit was disturbed and was even able to form a temporary alliance with him, Sonic egged Surge on and made the problem worse.
I haven't kept up with IDW in a bit so I dunno what she's doing now but her being Sonic's rival was never her point, she's supposed to suck, though they made her way TOO much of a jobber immediately after 50.
Would be cool if everything you said was even implied and wasn't just shit you made up to make the comic seem more multi-faceted than it actually is.
Oh, but it was implied.
Sorry you need every single idea from a story spoon-fed to you.
>It was implied, but I'm not gonna show when. You're just too dumb to notice it hehe
Lolling at your delusions.
Seemed implied pretty well to me. They made a big deal about how she was originally some bystander who got mindfricked into who she is now.
What would it look like to have a character who was minding their own business until they were forced to make "hating Sonic The Hedgehog" their entire personality?
Well, they'd probably take the handful of things they aren't thrilled with - like, say, the way he lets the bad guys go free so they can do more evil shit - and use that to justify their hatred in an attempt to manage the dischord. Maybe that wouldn't be enough, and you'd see a self-destructive, borderline suicidal streak as they unconsciously reach for a way out.
Maybe you'd end up with an actually interesting conflict when Sonic is forced to face the fact that his enemy isn't evil. He stomps her easy, but she's not at all responsible for her actions - she needs to be stopped, but he can't really kill/injure her because she's almost as much a victim as the people she'd hurt. How does he stop Collateral Damage Barbie without permanently injuring/crippling/killing her? It's a way to get around the "Sonic can't lose fights" mandate, while exploring a different kind of character conflict.
...but this is all speculation until it actually happens, because it's totally possible that they stumbled onto a fricking goldmine BY ACCIDENT and won't be competent enough to put it to use
>...but this is all speculation until it actually happens
So it wasn't implied. Glad we agree.
nta
But did you read issue 56?
Sonic says he a surge got off on the wrong foot, he apologizes for how he treated her previously, begs for her to choose freedom and not just be a slave to her programming, she refuses then
happens.
>she's closer to a shitty version of Metal Sonic that's allowed to have development and not have any ties to Eggman
she's more like a discount scourge than anything, even down to the name and design similarities
She’s also a way bigger jobber that Scourge.
I-I thought that was the intent? To have "we have scourge at home" even down to her species being hedgehog adjacent but not really a hedgehog.
Nah, Scourge is actually the child of Surge and Sonic from the future, they both suck at naming things so much they just combined their names when choosing his.
>the entire reason she stuck to the path of evil early on is because Sonic refused to take her mental breakdown seriously because he just loves to be an butthole to anyone he deems an enemy
Well then they should have went all in on Sonic being an ass instead of the talking down he did towards the end of the battle.
What is the ideal balance of a villains victory ratio? I don't mean that as some sorta gotcha question but genuinely how many times should a rival/villain win to make that seem more genuine. I've noticed in other media the rival stereotype appears but more often than not whoever the MC is will thrash them over and over but still be considered within striking distance of their rival in skill.
They should at least win FIRST depending on what the story’s bar for the protagonist is. I’ve been watching Yugioh GX recently and Yuki steamrolled through his rivals initially. I guess to set up a more lighthearted tone?
How do you know the comics won’t be cancelled by then?
It's not a hard science. It depends on the situation.
You're setting yourself up for failure if you go counting how many times the hero won, instead of letting the fights complement the situation.
In video games Vergil is the gold standard for rivals, so the ratio should be almost 1:1
>What is the ideal balance of a villains victory ratio?
The minimum is to win the first fight, then it doesn't matter if you win or lose the following ones.
They need to win enough, or at least come very close to winning often enough, to actually be considered a threat. They should never EVER be getting fully shit on in their first appearance either
Who cares, Surge and Kit will be redeemed. I already see people thinking Surge will pick up Ws as a hero and they never saw Whisper's fricking L streak.
I've seen some page where Kit is bloodlusting after Tail's head without any influence by Surge.
Surge and Kit being redeemed has already been confirmed by solicits.
I don't read Sonic comics, but from what I've seen in these threads, I feel like all of Surge's problems would be solved if Sonic just fricked her.
All of the new girl ocs need a good dicking, but remember this is modern comic writers we’re dealing with
The Freedumb Fighters are gone and never coming back 🙂
What about the Feed ’em Fighters where they feed people all day and night?
Will they help me get a fat crying Whisper?
They never left, they just became meme lesbian furries as originally planned.
She's not in any of the games, so why should I give a frick about her?
Ian is a homosexual
Imagine yourself a kid or teen after the release the Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Knuckles Chaotix was considered a flop and Sonic 3D Blast was a mixed bag (cool music from both Genesis and Saturn version but the latter suffered from long loading, Sonic was more slippery than the Greased Up Deaf Guy from Family Guy, Flickies have a tendency to scatter if you got hit, and you don't even become Super Sonic), Sonic Jam was Sonic's answer to SMB All Stars and Sonic World was a test run for Adventure. Sonic R (again despite awesome music, was seen as a poor man's Mario Kart). In order for Sonic to stay relevant until the Dreamcast's release, you had to buy the Archie comics and endure the drama, padding and plagiarism.
...Or you could not be an obsessive shitbag and just wait until the next game...While playing Nights and Burning Rangers cause Sonic Team made more than Sonic.
Had NiGHTs but couldn't afford Burning Rangers.
Also had Fighters Megamix, Marvel Super Heroes, Bug!, and VF2
Were you dropped at birth?
Or or, if you were not moronic like me, replayed S3K for years on end because it was and still is the perfect Sonic game
If SA2tards can worship SA2 for 20 years, why is it so hard to think actual great games like Sonic 2 and 3K were meant to be played once and dropped for the next title to the point you became a an autistic comicgay? You were never a gamer, that's the problem. Liking Sonic for story is really really mentally ill and all of the Shadow discussion right now is really showing just how batshit insane one Sonicgay is when looking forward to seeing this shit in Sonic. And I'm not saying it's objectively bad, I'm saying your kind is objectively insane.
Sociopath
Because she reminds people of fan favorite Ashura and it makes people happy to understand the reference.
IDW will never be as beloved as Archie or Fleetway.
Get over it, you will never convince Cinemaphile.
>Implying IDWgays aren't just Fartchiegays desperate for more cheap drama and crying OCs.
Lmao.
I don't know. IDW seems to have a lot of fans and if it ends it will definitely have heavy nostalgia 10 years after.
No way man. Surge and The NDC will have their fans but the book will become irrelevant after it ends
This sounds like a cope on your part.
How so? I interact with fans of the book daily and can tell you that most of them only read it because it's "current Sonic thing".
>Sonic fans like it because it's Sonic content!
Color me fricking surprised.
and? It's fricking shallow and will be forgotten about as badly as Prime not long after it ends
>IDW seems to have a lot of fans
Anon, how about you show me real proof that IDW Sonic has fans, because so far, from what I've seen on Twitter, the only reason people follow this shitty comic it is mainly so they can promote their artwork, I hardly see anyone defending this comic.
IDW's fans are mostly comprised of the Twitterfolk and those incapable of critical thought who don't recognize that shit barely happens in it and Tangle and Whisper are only popular because they're queer-coded.
Imagine seething and coming up with all this mental gymnastics over IDW having fans.
Artificial popularity
You can say that with most Sonic characters.
The only one that was "accidentally popular" is Blaze and Gamma/Omega.
WTF mandates are around Shadow?
He has no friends and only broods by himself and wants to fight strong people and his backstory can’t be referenced and he can’t be funny or crack jokes.
>It’s another “pretend that SEGA gives a shit about Sonic comics and views them as anything more than just monthly game advertisements” episode
I don’t care, I just want more fat, cringefail Whisper
Being entirely fair here, who DOESN'T job to Sonic, especially in this comic?
Neo Metal beat Sonic.
Because she's actually shilled as Sonic's girlfriend and Sonic Says hitting your girlfriend is way past cool.
How ticklish do you think Surge is?
Not at all.
Are you kidding me? There's no way this tough tomboy tenrec isn't even a little bit ticklish. One stroke of a feather and she'll be breaking down easier than a dusty old car on the freeway.
Starline built Surge with a special defense against tickling because he knew that in the future there would come a man who would try to defeat her by tickling her, this is why she is immune
Pretty ticklish I'd say, it also depends on the spots you want to "attack". I'd love to take her shoes off and have some fun with those cute green soles
Sonicbabs belong on /vg/
Except for that time she was seconds from killing him.
>sh-she almost won!
You either win or you don't. She lost. Flopping because she had to exert power she didn't have just to match Sonic doesn't somehow grant her partial credit, or else we'll say Vegetas suicide bomb beat Majin Buu
Yeah, and 06 was "almost" a good game.
Don't post pictures of yourself.
Don't tell me what to do
And she fried herself doing it. She cannot physically kill Sonic because she is far too weak even with compounding factors making her more stronger.
>cannot kill Sonic
Well yeah, cause plot armor. She did kick Whisper's crying ass tho.
If there wasnt a romance mandate I would want to see a storyline where surge falls for sonic and gets into a love triangle with sonic and amy.
nah, she should be a tsundere
I think a mixture of Tsundere and yandere traits works best for her.
Both infatuated and hating Sonic due to a conflict between her programing, pre-bio Android self, and her personal feelings.
While simultaneously wanting to target women close to Sonic in order to remove competition and hurt the people close to him.
I also like the idea of Sonic being guilted into being in a Relationship with a damaged Surge and them being in a mutually abusive and dependant relationship.
Ends in hate sex?
Yes.
But I think either way she'd eventually stop being a villain, it's the only real direction a story with her could go if you wanted character development.
Other than staying in her villainous limbo state.
Does he correct her with rape
Yes.
But seriously I don't see Sonic as the type to rape correct, and I think rape would justify Surges hatred towards Sonic too much.
What I want is for Surge to be destroyed and rebuilt on every single level from the ground up, not that I don't like her character, I do.
I just want to see her utterly destroyed and heal, and for that I think breaking down her hatred and one-sided rivalry has to come first.
So ideally Sonic would return Surges affections completely and honestly, while also being able to physically dominate her and not being threatened by her in the slightest.
Huh unique idea anon I'm intrigued, how it'd would work. Like you said sounded basic but the dominate her part still sounds fun.
Thanks, I have more elaborate details in my head and in a word document.
Unfortunately I have a couple things to get to writing first before I start on Surge.
But to me the psychological aspect of breaking someone apart like that is far more appealing than just rape, rapes to vanilla.
Hmmmm sounds based, reminds me of the housebroken ivy writings.
>romance mandate
What?
No characters can be in love or in a relationship with anyone.
Damn, so Nite and Don being gay lovers is ESPECIALLY bullshit.
Somewhat
Supposedly they're allowed because A) they told Sega they were gay from the beginning and B) no one gives a frick about Nite and Don.
I'm still sayin that Evan lied about that just for clout.
Vector is in love with Vanilla.
Amy and Sonic are in love with each other.
If the games established them its okay. They just can't act on it.
And Sonic is for Blaze.
Sonic ships Silvaze. Amy is the only girl in the series he actually developed romantic feelings for and went on multiple dates with.
Amy, get off Cinemaphile.
He has several lines of dialogue in Frontiers about wanting to confess his feelings for her and wanting to share an umbrella together.
Frontiers sucks.
>If the games established them its okay.
Vector x Vanilla is from Sonic X.
And Vector and Vanilla have never even interacted in the games, have they?
>Series shills sonamy and doubles down on it by making sonic himself push silvaze
It's unironically over...
I just saw that cute animation and I already love her
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Thats an odd song choice.
Do you think Starline ever fricked her and erased her memory after
He's gay for Eggman.
Was.
Starline was gay. He was a bara daddygay
Once just to see if he was into it. He wasn't, wants Eggman.
I genuinely do believe the only reason people pretend to care about her is because she's a girl
Make the same character but a dude and he would've had half the fanbase at BEST
You don’t have to believe that, it’s objective fact. Kit is the male partner to Surge with the exact same backstory and he’s nowhere near as popular.
>the only reason people pretend to care about her is because she's a girl
So, like every female character ever?
Suppression squad vs Surge Kit and Starline
Surge Kit and Starline get stomped hard. It’s not even a fair fight.
Scourge solos
Because they were afraid of making her too OP to actually make him struggle.
DynamiteSticks
Do you have an urge for Surge?
unstable female trope
uninspired writing for young kids because the beginning of the franchise is a leftist fable of rebellion and protecting the environment. after the sega games and SatAM cartoons, the franchise was pushed in a direction that was neutered and domesticated
Gone forever.
until Penders brings him back
Keep telling yourself that.
I don't even like Scourge, but death is better than Penders.
Not chance in Hell. Archie burned the bridge and is now doing Bollywood Archie
already got shitcanned, not that it had even remotely a chance of happening in the first place
I wonder why the people behind this project thought this was a good idea?
Even if Scourge has a huge fandom, making deals with Sonic Fandom Enemy #1 was going to make people suspicious of the project from the beginning.
Ken is simply delusional and brought on a bunch of comic guys that were ignorant of his shenanigans
Someone cut off this mans hands before he can draw again.
Wanna see the cover?
>he's selling this at Comic Con
I kinda wanna go just to see him sitting there, piles of unsold books surrounding him.
Well said, Boco!
Wait... that doesn't sound...
He got his revenge in the end.
at the expense of his own existence. Pyrrhic victories are more trouble than worth
Sleep tight, Sonic.
>I sleep in a race car. Do you?
I remember when Ian came to Cinemaphile and said that Scourge’s ideal date with Fiona would be to break into Sonic’s house, and frick in his race car bed.
HE WHAT
Fun Fact: The race car bed at the end of the Sonic movie was based off the one in the Archie comics according to the audio commentary.
Sonic should have stayed on the Kirby route and not be anchored to a core static cast but instead a huge list of threats that aren't just faceless gods and for Sonic to actually kill them as he moves on to the next big threat and that includes Eggman.
so how good are the Archie comics? are the fights cool? is the lore as equally fricked up as the vidya?
>t. hasn't read a single Sonic comic after the Archie ending
Archie Sonic lore is so moronic that it makes the game lore look like citizen kane.
Archie goes from a gag series to a batshit insane sci-fi melodrama under Penders to a kino drama under Ian.
Bad enough to make IDW look good.
Everything IDW does wrong Archie does as well but even worse.
It's barely even a Sonic comic with how much it focuses on random OCs and drama.
>IDW look good
You’re delusional.
Yes
I'm aware of how bad IDW is, and Archie is still worse
There's no rape, The Slap, dragon wife-beating, pedophile skunks, nazi echidnas, roboticization body-horror etc. in IDW
Shit like this makes the writing in the games look like Shakespeare
The problem is that Archie is just full of this shit, it never lets up until Penders got the sack and even then it had shitty moments
Oh lord, not the jilted Tails subplots. Please, I can only take so much cringe.
Do you have anything of Tails being a badass?
Sorry it's Archie, all I have is cringe
I can give you their attempt at making him a badass (it's just more cringe)
The lineart is making me want to gag too.
So It’s like a bad drug trip? High highs and LOW lows?
It had fricking Yakub, there were no highs except when it was being funny by accident
Maybe the highs were had by the creators themselves? how else can they come up with this shit?
Yeah some people, even in this very thread, like to cherry pick the bad moments from it’s run which have been brought up rightfully so but you can easily jump in after that to get to the good stuff which has spotty moments but overall has some fun wether you like Sonic for fun action or it’s cast of characters.
The cast of characters who were 90% OCs?
And honestly even after Penders left there was a ton of shitty characterization of non-OCs and garbage plotlines, like this one from 178
Ian is responsible for this too. This arc was supposed to be much longer, but he was forced to speed it up and get it over with as soon as possible, since he couldn’t just scrap the story arc.
Would Sonic ever say something evil like that in the games?
In the comic Tails just scurries right back to Sonic and continues being Sonic's spineless doormat.
Game Fans would probably demand Tails never tolerate Sonic ever speaking to him again if that happened there. Game fans still haven't forgiven Amy acting a little rude back in the 2000s.
Oh hey that cherry picked moment that always gets used when the rest of the issue shows Sonic is wrong for it and then next issue resolves to treat Tails better. Also the game cast actually got more focus from 160 onwards since we see Espio actually be interesting on his own finally without the rest of the Chaotix, Knuckles showcase resolve and moving from his ancestors bullshit plus Mighty, Famg and Bean getting used and given personalities when the games had essentially treated them as dead
I mean there's a billion other moments I could have chosen
>that time Archie didn't know how to make their adult Charmy act like his kid counterpart in the games so they just made him moronic
>that time Archie
Ian did that too, dumbass.
To be fair Flynn even regrets that but it’s very much a damned if you do or don’t situation, even then this is still when an issue before Eggman gets a genuine win over Sonic and then an issue after the rest of the cast get to be the ones to score a win by destroying his to this point ultimate mech, the Egg Beater instead of Sonic
>But now you'd never manage boy, you'd be brain damaged just to think that you could get away
>and then next issue resolves to treat Tails better
He never does this, and never does, he acts the exact same the rest of the comic. He deflects and condescends Tails and claims it's not his fault he cucked Tails and mocked Tails to his parents because "you should have SAID something brah, it's actually YOUR fault for not speaking up about it".
Which is ironically a lie made to absolve himself, I believe zoomers named that "gaslighting"
Reminder the real reason Tails was mad was because of some thot who never loved him.
and also because Sonic's the homosexual who cucked Tails over that thot
It was to be closer to Tails and one day put his wiener in Tails.
I forgot Sonic's douchebro mentality.
Who's got the pic of titan tails doing the omniman pose with mogul?
Here’s him doing his usual Bird Nazi fighting
TOTAL KUKKU DEATH
…and then he gets beat up by Speedy so Ian can tell the reader how Sonic would beat them all up so much better than Tails
And then onto 3 issues of Bunnie and Antoine where Tails doesn’t actually do anything he’s meant to in Tails Adventure
Tails literally destroys the mole robot at the end with his ingenuity and quick thinking by dismantling the thing and makes the battle bird troops look like idiots every time he faces them. Also it’s just a fact that Sonic would beat them all better then him, he’s the main character
This is meant to be Tails' arc about Tails' strengths, not just another chance for Ian to suck off his obnoxious self-insert.
And all Tails did was unscrew the loose bolts on it, the birds are idiots because they're idiots, and they STILL shoot Tails out of the water while Tail is using Rotor's boat. Tails never does anything impressive the entire thing, and gets beat up and made to look weak just to suck off Sonic some more in what was supposed to be TAILS' game
Oh it’s you, for a guy who wants to shill Tails you really try to go out of your way to make him sound as shitty and pathetic as possible disingenuously, also what self-insert? Do you mean Speedy the guy who literally next appearance gets beaten by the Babylon Rogues?
Beaten by Sonic and the Babylon Rogues, yes, right before Sonic beat all the Battle Birds.
But ironically Speedy beats up Tails every time, because god forbid Ian let Tails look strong instead of his self-insert Sonic.
Speedy beat the Rogues, it was Sonic who clowned on Speedy
Uh huh
Didn’t Ian write this?
Ian wrote 99% of all the Tails/Fiona cuckoldry shit. Penders only wrote the first issue, Ian turned it into a decade long cuck arc
At least it’s not crying lesbians. This shit is ridiculous.
technically they're not lesbians because of Sega mandates, but lets be honest Archie has way more shitty drama and crying OCs (which is an achievement because IDW has a LOT of that)
IDW has more crying per issue than Archie, and Archie ran for longer. I can guarantee you that if IDW runs for as long as Archie did, there’ll be enough lesbian tears to put Steven Universe to shame.
>average Archie fan asking Ian to release LHT
Can we get a crying mandate on all the characters?
I think 44 is the limit per issue
I can’t explain it, but these crying lesbians make me giddy for some reason
>Belle
What worthless character. Especially since we have Sage now.
I can't believe they even got Tangle... what the frick.
This is clearly a fetish at this point.
To be fair Tangle's was somewhat fitting. She was giving her life to stop some zombies, knowing she was already infected.
Yes. Ian and Evan love crying lesbians. Ian even wanted Sally and Nicole to be lesbians in Archie.
>At least it's not crying lesbi--ACK!!!
Nice feet. Very big. Very soft. 10/10
>14 issues
>one of them is fanart
Using multiple panels can only obscure so much anon.
How many issues of IDW are there in total, Anon?
I mean Archie did have some bad moments but it also had some really great writing for the characters that the games haven’t attempted since they don’t want to expand the cast on an individual level
Archie had plenty of moronic melodrama, but it also had a lot of good stuff like the Dr. Finitevus arcs, Sonic Universe, the Space Arc, Iron Dominion, etc.
IDW is just nothing.
>the Space Arc
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
THIS b***h LIKED THE SPACE ARC OH NONONONONNO
Archiegays. Never once.
Sonic sure is cool when he goes on and on about how cool he is…
I’d say after 160 they are consistently good with some low points but always fun art, entertaining and well choreographed action while having crazy lore from the previous 159 issues that have less consistent quality and some genuinely bad moments of writing but are what helped build the tone and identity of the comic in a way. Plus there is Sonic universe which gives arcs to other characters and lets them do fun things without Sonic being involved except for a few arcs on occassion.
Went to shit as soon as SATAM stopped running alongside archie sonic and they didn't have any material. It's your choice but it's best to stick to sonic the comic
Whether it’s bad or good, it’s one helluva ride and you’ll care about characters and the world. Sonic will never have world building on that level ever again.
Yeah world building like a guy pretending to be sonic tricking a woman into sleeping with him. Aka rape.
And yet the worst thing Penders did was force a reboot. Ian was able to fix a lot of his mess before that.
He most absolutely didn’t. In most cases Ian made all of Penders’ stories way worse. People falsely accredit him “fixing” Penders’ stories because he put Sonic and Sally back together, even thoufh thhe story quality was terrible and the lore was more pretentious than ever
I don’t know how you expect me to take you seriously. Leave the shitposting to the usual losers. Subtlety is key. Keep at it.
Wahh wahh wahh everyone who doesn’t suck off Ian’s ntr fanfiction for babies is a shitposter.
Grow up, Ian’s stories were some of the worst shit to ever disgrace graphic novels and you need to grow some fricking standards.
Dude don’t worry, this guy has either made threads expressly to just get his ranting or repeated buzzwords out on how mad Archie makes him or goes into others to shit stir under some asinine shitposting persona’s, this guy managed to get banned from any community except here. You can tell who he is by either the phrases diapershitter, archiecuck, tails rants framing Sonic as a self-insert or smarmy ntr obsession in regards to Geoffrey St John though not seen that one in ages
schizophrenic victim-complex
They’re dogshit bad, the fights are lame and poorly choreographed, and the lore is schizophrenic in the most boring way possible.
This anon
is a liar, too.
Unless you’re a sub 80iq barely literate moron, you’ll instantly recognise that all the original characters are surface level media tropes copy pasted from other media lazily and badly onto a bunch of hazbin hotel fursonas. You won’t care for them at all, the setting is at best boring and at worst a whole bowl of uninteresting shit only a complete deviantart tier mouthbreather could pretend is entertaining, and the characters from the games that you actually do love are shat on and insulted at every opportunity in the most shameless, repulsive, insulting manner possible by a talentless obese hack who couldn’t write his way out of a 7th grade english class.
But I digress, Archie is honest-to-god dogshit. Pic related.
It will make you actually respect the French.
>cowardly cuck comic relief whose only accomplishment in his lifetime is telling his wife he doesn't care she fricked Sonic and Evil Sonci behind his back, then getting fridged by Metal Sonic
Why am I meant to respect him again?
Maybe the true cuck all along was you, maybe this is your way to rationalise and cope for it, we'll be here for you to help you through this, if you get a girlfriend let us in the thread know
nah I'm pretty sure the cuck is the shit 1-dimensional character whose wife fricked Sonic and Scourge (Antoine)
I didn't know you had a wife who slept with cartoon hedgehogs anon, you must of mispelled at the there cause anon isn't spelt with a t, I or an e at the end
Nah I spelled it right, 'Antoine', that's the name of the the embarrassingly cringy cuck character in archie sonic, made only to be a cuck to the book's embarrassingly cringy self-insert of a protagonist.
That's why Archie Sonic is made for cucks.
This is embarrassingly cringy
Nah because noone in this thread is a cuck who lets his wife sleep with the gary stu self-insert main character.
Antoine however, IS a cringy little cuck,
Peaks and valleys really. There's some good shit in there and some absolute shit as well. I still think its a fun read though and I'd recommend it. It gets pretty consistently good when Flynn takes over.
Ignore the people saying it makes IDW look good, they are delusional. IDW has nothing going for it.
IDW doesn't have turn Tails and Amy into cuckolds. Archie's garbage makes IDW look like Alan Moore's Miracleman
I want to see surge and sonic have to fight each other. But theyre not allowed to actually hit each other so they have to tickle each other instead.
>The part of Sonic where Serge shrinks Sonic and fricking vores him after bullying him with her feet for like 10 panels.
What the frick Ian?
Making another weepy female OC was more important to them than giving Sonic a new rival.
They thought they could do both at the same time.
what i'm taking away from this thread is that all sonic comics are shit.
is there any good ones?
None.
>but
None. Sonic was never good
Yes but I don’t think you’ll check by just saying they are all shit while not actually reading for yourself to decide
Maybe the next one will be good after IDW dies.
I doubt it.
Don’t you mean after IDW cries?
that already happened. Quite a lot of times it happened.
More than 44 times per issue?
Well I only keep track of the crying lesbians and Belle, so 15 issues so far of crying with a max of 8 panels of crying. Give it another few years, the lesbians will hit 44 in no time.
You really really really like focusing on the crying lesbians dont you?
what else is there to focus on? Sonic and Tails standing in a cave with a large lizard for 7 pages?
Literally the rest of the series you fricking fat neckbeard.
Nothing in the rest of the series produced anything permanent to talk about.
Eggman? Just the same as he always is. The Zeti? Still just the Zeti. The Restoration? Don't do anything and we barely know anything about it. The only thing different to the status quo is that there are a handful of crying lesbian OCs who are attracted to eachother like magnets.
You got such a hate boner its sad.
They are the meme, characters who cry, and the worst part of the series.
the French one
>Why did she get shilled hard as Sonic's rival when she is going to job twice to him?
1- To be a rival you must first present a challenge to the protagonist.
2- She almost kills herself in their two confrontations while Sonic just walks away as if nothing had happened.
you gotta understand before Surge was introduced, Ian was shilling her HARD on all his fan networks and shit. People were annoyed that every villain so far was weak and asked when a scary and powerful endboss villain was gonna come, and he just *knowing smiled* that it's coming. And people saw the hints at the Starline cloning vats in the background and picked up on it.
And then it arrived and it was Surge and we all know the rest.
>2- She almost kills herself in their two confrontations while Sonic just walks away as if nothing had happened.
It was Sonic's most pathetic fight or the most intense sex scene in comics, They even have an angelic choir singing after sex.
In this scene Surge admits that she is a slave to Sonic's wiener.
Okay that last panel is literally just post coital clarity, what the frick
It's sex, metaphorical sex.
Her obsession with Sonic is obviously romantically tinged especially with how she keeps going on about him and how she's literally made for him.
And how she only wanted to fight(frick) him, Kit resenting Sonic for having Tails and not being devoted to either him and/or Surge.
Honestly, I think Evan wanted to write an enemies to lovers pairing with Sonic, but y'know romance mandates and such.
Didn’t some anons come up with a backstory for her where she was a Sonic fangirl?
Yeah, those Surge threads before and during Impostor Syndrome we're fun, shame I didn't save enough.
Ah man I loved those days back before we knew surge was trash. I miss these type of greens, I used to make them and shitty surge art. Wish we could bring those days back but most threads turn into idw hate.
I remember loving this concept added a second layer of tragedy onto surge's life. She's obsessed with sonic even after breaking part of the conditioning because she was a fangirl. I remember a long green about her backstory being she was a fan and missed out on meeting sonic, or met sonic but got in the way and got yelled out so starline preyed on that.
>Didn’t some anons come up with a backstory for her where she was a Sonic fangirl?
yes
Surge cute!
Shes not perfect until she takes her shoes off
How do we get her to take them off for us?
Two pages earlier.
Context: Sonic trying to convince her abandon her programming, with the implication being of course, she'd choose him.
Sonic definitely looks like he just lost his virginity.
Those are clearly ovaries exploiting from an orgasm
That's cool and all but she and Starline were immediately overshadowed by Eggman.
Starline was an idiot who massively overestimated himself and underestimated Eggman.
that and her few interactions with Sonic so far.
Gosh, from Sonic's point of view, Surge is just an unknown girl who sometimes wants to fight him.
Surge being a pathetic jobber is 100% on Evan Stanley and she doesn’t get enough shit for ruining this character.
Sure she lost in issue 50 when Ian was writing but it wasn’t a total curbstomp and Sonic was shown sweating and tired which doesn’t happen much. Not exactly the greatest showing for Surge but she still had potential.
The real humiliation for Surge comes in the issues following. Surge supposedly gets a new power up by stealing Eggman’s technology, (which is a terrible idea on its own because it makes her look like she can’t achieve anything by herself). But with this “power-up” Surge becomes way weaker than her showing in issue 50, she barely defeats Whisper, gets punked on by Sonic with a broken leg, and her final all-out desperation attack does literally nothing to Sonic. That temporary power-up retroactively made her base form weaker, it pretty much established that no matter how strong Surge gets she will never be in Sonic’s league. Surge has been completely broken and made a joke, even the character admits she can never match up to Sonic, now having to resort to pretending to be a good guy to not get her face caved in by The Hedgehog (and let’s be honest she’s probably going to legitimately turn into a good guy, just another member of the crying lesbian squad).
Honestly, I have a problem with the crying, but there are only two lesbians, and I think it's becoming a bit of an overstated meme.
Even in the crying compilation, there are examples which I don't think are bad.
Some of them just have beads of tears or are just closing their eyes, not the full on annoying messy crying which I dislike.
And the other two "lesbians" Surge and Lanolin, have shown to be obsessed with sonic and uncomfortable with Tangles physical affection respectively.
Yeah I know most of them aren’t actually lesbians but “crying female OCs” doesn’t have the same ring to it. Calling them gay is just an insult, not a descriptor.
The crying is absolutely a problem though. I think the only game characters to cry are Shadow and Elise who both cried once. Meanwhile those b***hes are crying every 4 issues or so and it’s over stupid bullshit like “I made a mistake!”
They're called lesbian because 3 of them (Jen said israeliteel is a dyke, Ian would never queer erasure that) are gay, and all the rest of them are not romantically affiliated with any of the boys but predominantly hang out with the other dyke OCs.
Honestly, I entirely forget about israeliteel when she's off screen.
So that's israeliteel, Tangle, Whisper, Surge, Lanolin, and belle.
So 3/6, that's kinda a point, but israeliteel isn't gay on screen and it's irrelevant, so I personally don't count her.
>(Jen said israeliteel is a dyke,
Jewel is not Jen's character. It doesn't matter if she ships her with her butterfly girl she doesn't have the call on that. The only legitimately confirmed gay people in IDW are Evan's bird DJs, who're only gay because by Evan's own admission, they're not important.
>Ian would never queer erasure that)
He just doesn't have to respond to any questions about it. Though knowing him, he would.
The issue is still that only the OCs are allowed to cry, and only the female OCs get focus, so they are written to cry a disproportionate amount. It's not a matter of it being appropriate to the scenario or not, the story shouldn't be going out of it's way to create this kind of drama specifically for 1/4th of the cast. It simultaneously creates lopsided characterization, highlights that the female OCs get a disproportionate amount of focus in general, and constantly reminds everyone of the mandates preventing the actual main characters from being explored emotionally.
>Not exactly the greatest showing for Surge but she still had potential.
No, she didn't.
The moment she loses to Sonic without even hurting him, and then Sonic goes and breaks his leg in a plane crash in the literal next issue is when she can't be taken seriously anymore.
Same with Kit.
Yeah that power-up was a huge mistake.
idk
>Why did she get shilled hard as Sonic's rival when she is going to job twice to him?
She really is Vegeta, isn't she?
Bejita beat Goku 3-0
So true Burge mogs Sonic low diff.
Vegeta defeats Goku in their first fight and only lost because one of Goku's friends cut off his tail in a surprise attack from behind.
The reason Archie Sonic and SatAM in the earlier years deviated from the source material is the same reason every other videogame cartoon adaptation suffered from: a very abstract concept, a handbook of do-nots and a middle finger.
Also Sonic only had a handful of games at the time
FRICK THE PAIN AWAY
MY BED IS IN RUINS
BoomSticks and SegaSticks aren’t the same character. Two different universes. Same with Tangle.
It's a good thing Starline is a baragay otherwise Surge and Kit would get molested to hell and back
Sonic will always be a gaming franchise first. The comics are mostly ignored by sega with occasional references in the english translations that aren't mentioned anywhere else.
How smelly do you think surges feet are after fighting sonic so much theg must reek and be so sweaty ha ha ha imagine if she took them off and tails passed out from smelling them ha ha ha
>Blaze writing about getting plowed by Sonic
What does Cinemaphile think about Trip the Sungazer?
Painfully boring, uninteresting, and will be forgotten when she doesn't show up for the next Classic game.
I wish she looked more like a lizard but she seems fine enough as a character
Surge Purge
Surge cuddling
>somecallmejonhy is a IDWgay
I'ts so fricking over
As if he wasn't already unlikeable enough before
You can't blame people when you make Shadow Lancelot and Silver Galahad
Who's Guinivere?
There wasn't one.
Wasn't Elaine the mother of Galahad?
Guinivere was unfaithful to her husband/king and had an affair with Lancelot.
So obviously she'd be Sally.
>So obviously she'd be Sally.
Excuse to post this again.
>marries both Sonic and Shadow
How does she do it?
By that logic Amy would be Shadow's mom
The comic needs more mandates.
>it needs to be more limiting
No
Unironic porn bait
Hope we get to see her in the games, alongside Lanolin she's probably the most blatant porn bait character.
Except Surge has the better personality between the two.
>Guy who wrote Scrapnik is black
>Original work is unoriginal story about Black kid in white wizarding school
Not saying Scrapnik was bad. Just saying I don't trust him on the "mandates" bit.
He wrote Aggretsuko? Damn, might need to check that out.
Tie-in comics but yes. He has a couple of those under his belt.
Always meant to read those. I only remember the one issue where a nosy swan named Karen takes over the office.
You shouldn't because he only wrote one story that was self-contained and barely had anything in it. We don't even properly see the island the arc is named after. Just inside the Eggman ruins. Dude is high off his first story getting through unscathed while others have had years of experience dealing with Sega. Let him try to write a story for Shadow, then he can brag.
Ah yes, before we knew how much of a loser Surge was.
If Surge and Scourge fought who would rape who?
>who would rape who?
green sonic
If the comic is gonna be canon it should have different mandates to force it to be like the games.
Give it more freedom to explore stuff that is not cared about that won't affect the games, but aside from that ban a lot of concepts that are allowed.
Whos ready for the arc where for her redemption she becomes a maid for sonic?
I'd prefer a wheelchair bound arc where she has to be hospitalized and monitored 24/7 so she doesn't go on a tard rampage and get herself killed.
She's an immortal zombot though
She breaks herself, almost irreparably through shoving some gizmo onto or into herself and getting massively high/schicoprehic off of the power like she did with the Dynamo cage.
I just really want this shitty tomboy to be physically and mentally broken.
She already is mentally broken
Damn man, what did she ever do to you?
Boco you get this autistic over Amy Rose, don't start throwing stones in glass houses.
Just curious.
Nothing, she's just my second favorite of the IDW OCs and female, this is just my way of showing my appreciation for her, basically what
said.
Ah, I see now.
So is it the same sort of deal with you and Amy?
Just curious.
No, I have no appreciation for Amy whatsoever.
This guy is apparently doing some kind of weird tsundere thing.
I wouldn't describe myself as doing a "tsundere" thing personally, the tsundere trope has more to do with being in denial of feeling and expressing them in a belligerent way, than slowly warming up to your target.
But for me there's no real difference in my love for Surge and wanting to see her hurt, I just wanna express my love to her by throwing her down a flight of stairs.
Thats...some kind of extreme tsundere. I think.
A Tsundere is defined by acting cold and cruel in order to hide their feelings, and is usually bitter, hypocritical, and uncomfortable with honest affection.
I think the term you're looking for is Yandere. Defined by obsessiveness, controlling-ness, and twisted displays of affection such as de-limbing someone so they can't run away from your love.
Ah, yes, there we go.
Like the crazy girl in Misery.
shes not gonna bang you bro
The actual problem with surge is that sonic already has way too many rivals to begin with
And there’s nothing to set her apart from the deluge. This is why rivals need hobbies
so uhm
i read strictly the surge parts of idw and some change inbetween if it didnt heavily involve the ocs aside from surge
it was cool and i now realize why alot of people think surge is great aside from horny i guess
honestly the only really negative thought i had, aside from the usual, "sonic talks too much sometimes" thing is that who the frick does the lamb lady think she is talking down to silver (sonics close telekinetic friend from the future who was in sonic 06, mario & sonic at the olympic games, sonic forces and more) and doubting his and whispers intuition when the both of them have more genuine experience combined than this no name goat lady
Lanolin was a literal background character that was hastily made into the leader for no reason. It’s so bizarre.
Its cus shes thick af
Yuji Naka did not want this.
Who cares what that control freak wants.
You guys are dumb can we just discuss how hot surge is again?
Sure, honestly just wanted to mess with the schizo but even that isn't fun, guy is to mind broken and repetitive
perhaps
dead
Gay