why did they make him straight?
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why did they make him straight?
why did they make him straight?
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tell me you haven't read the iliad without telling me you haven't read the iliad
yes anon, I'm sure it was just bromance, Homer said "no homo" while writing so it was okay, his contemporaries mentioning them as gays was surely just a coincidence, Plato also didn't read the Iliad before commenting on it.
>degenerate athenians projecting their homosexualry
The Iliad is set during the bronze age collapse, i.e. hundreds of years before the golden age of gayreek pederasty. Straight Achilles is a based and correct interpretation.
Literally not a single "contemporary" labeled them as gay. In fact no one in history up until modern times did
Wishful thinking?
Why is /misc/ so obsessed with making Greeks white?
Pretty good double-edged bait, well done
Yeah the BBC had the real authentic depiction.
It's such a clear and easily understandable book because of it's straightforward writing style.
precisely
Go back to primary school
A gay being a badass action hero? lol lmao
worked in Black Sails
because he was straight
Because NOBODY wants to watch some homosexual prance round on film in fiction or reality.
Frick off to
with your homosexual shit.
gayness wasnt cool in america at the time
I figured most Ancient Greeks were straight but liked a little anal as a friendship thing with the boys.
nothing wrong with dudes being bros
it was actually mostly frottage, lying a boy down and basically humping his taint. anal as such was frowned upon although aristophanes has jokes about it in his plays so i'm sure it did happen sometimes.
thats how stephen fry has sex.
They were raping children, teenagers and slaves, because women were locked away. "Gay" relationships between adult citizens of the similar social standing were forbidden everywhere in Ancient Greece, sometimes punished by death. Just like in modern day Muslim shitholes.
This. It always sets my homosexuals are evil alarm off when they talk about “homosexual relationships” in the classical world. They fail to mention most of them were basically gay child molestation
The truth is that one of the weaknesses in nature-worship and mere mythology had already produced a perversion among the Greeks, due to the worst sophistry; the sophistry of simplicity. Just as they became unnatural by worshipping nature, so they actually became unmanly by worshipping man. If Greece led her conqueror, she might have misled her conqueror; but these were things he did originally wish to conquer-even in himself. It is true that in one sense there was less inhumanity even in Sodom and Gomorrah than in Tyre and Sidon. When we consider the war of the demons on the children we cannot compare even Greek decadence to Punic devil worship. But it is not true that the sincere revulsion from either need be merely pharisaical. It is not true to human nature or to common sense. Let any lad who has had the look to grow up sane and simple in his day-dreams of love hear for the first time of the cult of Ganymede [i.e. cultists hunting down and raping young boys to reenact the myth of Zeus raping his cupbearer]; he will not be merely shocked but sickened. And that first impression, as has been said here so often about first impressions, will be right.
absolute unit chesterton
Correct take
>Let any lad who has had the look to grow up sane and simple
Uhhh...
>Let any lad who is exactly like me
Thanks for playing bro.
Jk.
I agree with him.
This is what Nietzsche said (he was a professional classicists before becoming an edgelord): the Athenians became gay because they didn't let women participate in any way in political and cultural life, so they became like a lower species and lost their attractiveness relative to educated young men.
theres troony cultures in every oppressive civilization that denies homosexuality including america. the public doesn't accept it when the corporations wave rainbow flags around. so gay kids get alan turing'd even in our time
An interesting theory but I think there is something different at play right now, the trannies are more common in cities where everyone loves them and the gays so your theory doesn't really hold
they aren't truly accepted though which was my point. the state enforces it but behind closed doors its entirely different. it looks nothing on the ground like it does on tv.
one way you could test it is what percentage of metro living trannies actually born and raised in the metro vs gays from the metro. i bet a majority of the trannies come from less accepting areas
I don't know where on the ground you've been but what I see is nothing but doe-eyed acceptance of men in dresses pretending to be anime girls. They think it's the new civil rights cause and they'll be remembered like Harriet Tubman or something
>Men in dresses
You're a piece of shit.
A "man in a dress" is a contradiction. If you're wearing adress, you can't be a man. Plain and simple.
How rude.
because, like the ancient greeks themselves, they couldn't decide if he was a top or a bottom.
Why wouldn't they? The Iliad doesn't show him fricking anyone from what I can recall but he gets really mad about Agamemnon taking Briseis away from him- which to me suggests that even if he fricked guys, he ALSO fricked girls. Generally from what I can recall the Iliad and Odyssey do not directly mention any homosexual relationships - open discussion of homosexuality is more of a Classical Greece kind of thing, and Classical Greece happened several hundred years after the Iliad and Odyssey took form.
To be fair, the movie is not an Iliad adaptation, it is a new take on the Trojan War that takes part but not all of its plot from the Iliad. So maybe there is no reason for me to emphasize the Iliad too much in my analysis. But I am not very familiar with Trojan War literature other than the Iliad and Odyssey, and I am not sure what if anything they say about Achilles' sexuality.
They knew Brad Pitt could never pull of gay.
ancient greeks being raging homos is israeli propaganda
correct
I mean, they weren't all raging homos but come on, man. I don't even remember the last time I saw Classical Greece-era Greek visual art that shows a man fricking a woman.
i don't buy it
Don't mind these fools.
They're Cretan homosexuals who think everyone is Cretan.
what does plato have to do with crete?
What does Crete have to do with the rest of the Greeks who weren't gays?
what? the athenians were gays. plato was an athenian and a gay. most of our sources for greek homosexualry are athenian.
Cretian*
Source on Cretan homosexuality?
read plato for yourself then. start with the symposium and phaedrus. they're fairly short, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours.
imagine what future gens will say about present day civilization when the only artifacts are rainbow flags, drag queen storytime and videos of pride parades
they'd probably think we were bigots somehow in the same way we view slave owners from centuries ago, that's just how history goes
better to be a bigot than a homosexual
This is a fake btw, i tried searching it up the other day but the only sources I could find were on tumblr
Tha picture proves nothing brainlet
It actually does look fake. However, it could also be depicting the rape of a young teen boy. Hence his lack of beard and softer features.
being horny for boys is literally the origin point of plato's philosophy. like, before you were born you directly experienced transcendent ideals like "pure beauty," and since the most beautiful thing on earth is a teenage boy, looking at one causes you to get a flashback to the pure world of ideas and the longing for pure beauty manifests as desire for the boy. this is, for plato, how a man becomes a philosopher, by getting a hardon for a boy and then contemplating where it came from. no hardon for boys means your soul is too weak to remember pure beauty and you'll never be a philosopher.
holy shit what happened to you? Were you raped as a kid or something? I can't wait until the supreme court makes it legal to start killing you deranged pedo freaks again
he's just describing Plato's philosophy for frick's sake, he isn't claiming that he agrees with it
all i did was give you an accurate summary of a section of plato's "phaedrus." it's not my fault the west was built by pederasts.
>You say thing that make me mad? THAT MEAN YOU BAD THING
Literal ape brain.
You're a literal homosexual kid toucher and will burn in hell after you die of AIDS
You made your bait too obvious. That is why no-one will remember your bait.
cope moron
there are no trustworthy sources that support your fanfiction
pagans literally had big gay bisexual orgies in the forest until the christcucks taught them it was wrong
yo i bet this dude got mad boipussy, he must of creamfilled villages worth of twinks
>tmw no one will remember OP's name.
>Classical Greek infantryman cooming into a twink's butt while away from the wife on military campaign
>21st century superspreading ultracoomers having thousands of sexual partners every year to the point of needing diapers in old age
Golly gee these sure do seem the same to me!
Does the image in
look like guys who would rather frick their wives and only frick other guys because they are no women around?
Greek infantryman cooming into a twink's butt while away from the wife on military campaign
it wasn't just about temporarily replacing women like with a prison b***h, they were pursuing boys at home, in peacetime. they were kneeling under boys' windows and reciting love poetry. women were for breeding and boys were for love.
>they were kneeling under boys' windows and reciting love poetry
and people genuinely wonder why the Romans dominated them so easily
Romans were masculine gays while the Gr*eks were feminine gays.
this is why
>So Zeus brought about this relocation of genitals, and in doing so he invented interior reproduction, by the man in the woman. The purpose of this was so that, when a man embraced a woman, he would cast his seed and they would have children; but when male embraced male, they would at least have the satisfaction of intercourse, after which they could stop embracing, return to their jobs, and look after their other needs in life.
the greeks were never gay, it's a myth, it's a myth!
the greeks:
>thank you based zeus for inventing gay sex
moron have a nice day
>the greeks were not gay, j-just don't read them! remember, don't read them, just watch my youtube video about how not gay they were, don't read them for yourself, trust me
Rent free
zeus is yahweh is the devil
nah, yahweh is the one forbidding gay sex. embrace your european heritage and reject the israeli fear of buttholes
is it true that all greeks/turks are/were gays?
I'll never understand how Greeks/Romans or even prisoners in the modern day can suddenly be ok with having sex with other men when they're otherwise not gay. I just couldn't do it, even though I wish I was bi as it would be easier to get laid. How did they do it, bros?
a teenage boy bent over kinda looks like a girl
I don't think Greeks were all gay, probably just the 5% of gay/bigays like in current time, except it wasn't considered abnormal by the society (or at least not vilified to the level it was under christianity)
they probably fricked more young girls than gay asses.
some of them appreciated the highest form of intellect and beauty, a muscular, well built warrior body. women are mostly attractive when young, they are stupid and can never achiece anything without males giving it to them.
Its obvious why great ancient cultures appreciated men... They were builders, thinkers, heroes. Meanwhile women were hairy and smelly complaining losers, just like now.
Brutal descension. Over for balding Chicocel
He fought like a girl.
Did they? Achilles has female concubines, but that is from the source and not a contradiction. They casted some twink straight out of a Bryan Singer movie as Patroclus, and the way Brad reacts to his death is pretty questionable. It's kind of there if you know about it.
You can't just go around fricking a girl every day. She's going to get pregnant eventually.
So the male Greeks like many ancient cultures just fricked each other for fun. (They also didn't have very favorable views of women seeing them as insane and emotional).
So they would even platonically love their male friends, which they would spend many years with at war or working.
Women again were just something that took your money, and food but raised the kids while you went on an adventure with the boys.
tl:dr the bussy was birth control
Source: I made it up
Refer to Plato on love between Greeks
Refer to Aristotle on Greeks' views on women and Aristotle's account of Alexanders and Hephaestion's platonic relationship.
Xenophon, Plutarch, Aelian, Athenian law all talk about bussy taking.
It's only logical that these practices were to prevent marriage and a less than favorable view of women, they also did not promote sodomy because you can die from infection and feces is unclean.
>Source: it was revealed to me in a wet dream
It's pretty hilarious watching /misc/ and people of their ilk try to reinvent history and make greeks straight and white
the phenomenon of pederasty in ancient greece is pretty well documented and not really debated by actual historians but here goes anon, who probably failed history in highschool, with his "acshual truth, trust me bro"
Since when were the Greeks not white?
Since the fall of the Byzantine Empire. That's when they became non-white and begun having lower IQ on average.
I read the illiad thinking achilles would be a massive homosexual like you. Instead he has a slave prostitute who is stolen from him, by Agamemnon. Patrolces also has a prostitute. So now achilles tries ruin agamemenon's life and the greek campaign. In doing so he gets his cousin patrocles killed. Then feels like shit for being so petty. The only homosexual thing was wanting to have his ashes mixed with patrolces. Which is pretty gay. But modern gays are monsters in comparison. At best achilles is bi.
Plato was of course a massive gay.
>~~*well documented*~~
>~~*not really debated*~~
>~~*actual historians*~~
>t. shitskin we wuz kangz will tell you how it was
thx for your input
The whole plot of the Iliad is that Achilles is mad that Agamemnon took his girlfriend Briseis away. Achilles nearly kills the Greek king/general Agamemnon over it, but decides instead to sulk on his ship while the Trojans start owning the Greeks, until the Trojans kill Patroclus and Achilles decides to fight again for the sake of revenge. There's no hint or reference to Achilles and Patroclus having a sexual relationship.
There is a huge push to homosexual up the greeks by modern homos. The fact the illiad has nothing homosexual in it doesn't stop them.
Test
He was straight. The Illiad was written centuries after the fact. It was literally just degenerate Athenian pederasts projecting their degeneracy onto Greeks.
>Illiad was written
Really?
>Uhm, Troy was a myth. It was made up by the greeks.
>*19th century explorer literally finds the ruins of Troy.*
>Alright, but the Trojan WAR was still a Greek myth.
Why are modern historians such homosexuals bros? Go see yourself, wikipedia says that the Trojan war was a myth. Why can't they accept the historical value of ancient texts? Is it hatred for the bible spilling over into hatred of ancient literature in general?
Modern academics actually hates when plebes like stuff and deliberately try to ruin it for them like the spartans. If right wing people like it they will do anything to ruin it. Only read primary sources.
Yes it's political. Same reason all archeological finds have to be filtered through whatever govt you are under. So they can control the historical narrative
Ajax was unironically the best character in the filum.
Hector's speech before his single combat with Ajax
***
Great Hector first amidst both armies broke
The solemn silence, and their powers bespoke:
“Hear, all ye Trojan, all ye Grecian bands,
What my soul prompts, and what some god commands.
Great Jove, averse our warfare to compose,
O’erwhelms the nations with new toils and woes;
War with a fiercer tide once more returns,
Till Ilion falls, or till yon navy burns.
You then, O princes of the Greeks! appear;
’Tis Hector speaks, and calls the gods to hear:
From all your troops select the boldest knight,
And him, the boldest, Hector dares to fight.
Here if I fall, by chance of battle slain,
Be his my spoil, and his these arms remain;
But let my body, to my friends return’d,
By Trojan hands and Trojan flames be burn’d.
And if Apollo, in whose aid I trust,
Shall stretch your daring champion in the dust;
If mine the glory to despoil the foe;
On Phœbus’ temple I’ll his arms bestow:
The breathless carcase to your navy sent,
Greece on the shore shall raise a monument;
Which when some future mariner surveys,
Wash’d by broad Hellespont’s resounding seas,
Thus shall he say, ‘A valiant Greek lies there,
By Hector slain, the mighty man of war,’
The stone shall tell your vanquish’d hero’s name
And distant ages learn the victor’s fame.”
This fierce defiance Greece astonish’d heard,
Blush’d to refuse, and to accept it fear’d.
The actor would have been considered a slob and weak. It's very difficult for modern people to understand how different Greeks were to modern humans at the time of the Trojan war.
Physically he would have looked something closer to this. 7 ft + tall. His bones would have been 2 maybe 3 times thicker than modern humans. Ajax could likely beat modern strongman records today with ease. Greeks at this time could run 7 miles in full armor and then battle for hours.
They had that weird genetic "Double Muscle Mutation" that was rediscovered in modern Greek children recently, The mutation makes you twice as strong without working out, with twice the muscle mass, and the Greeks worked out all the time.
Dude are you fricking moronic
You're israeli.
Brilliant response.
This illustrates one of the many reasons why I detest modern western society: Everything is sexualised. There can be no room for platonic friendship between men. If men have any closeness and warmness towards one another, then they must be buggering each other. Why else would they be so close and caring for each other?
learn what platonic meant in the greek sense of the word
I do know what it means. Doesn't change anyhting about what I wrote.
Pitt already looks gay so there was no point
I'm also pretty sure Achilles was gay for Patroclus BUT I did hear an interesting lecture about how they might not have been and it was more the kind of rid or die mentality you hear about in context of modern day gang culture. I've dumbed it down a bit but that was the general idea. Not saying the famously bent Greeks weren't gaying it up but it was an interesting listen and does explain why it's never explicitly stated in the Iliad
He was straight in the original manga and straight in the anime adaptation. moron