Why did they release multiple versions of Spider-Verse?
https://twitter.com/balisonqs/status/1671654756656492544
Why did they release multiple versions of Spider-Verse?
Why did they release multiple versions of Spider-Verse?
https://twitter.com/balisonqs/status/1671654756656492544
because it's funny, dumbass.
Nope, the new version with fixed audio accidentally used an old cut which had lots of small things that were changed for the REAL final one, news just broke that animators were overworked as frick to make this movie and were redoing finished scenes 5+ times because Lord and Miller couldn't visualize anything in pre-vis or storyboarding and had to see finished scenes in front of them before they would axe them and ask for modifications.
The changes people are seeing in the different versions are old finished cuts that Lord and Miller saw, and then asked to be changed anyway, it's a symptom of a troubled production and garbage directors completely unsuited for the animation pipeline.
It's been confirmed the "fixed audio" version exists for both versions of the movie though.
Yes, people have been recording it and posting the comparisons to Twitter.
The changes are so negligible though that it really doesn't matter.
>send in the final copy
>shit the audio is fricked
>send in the final copy with fixed audio
>shit the final copy is actually an old copy
>send in the real final copy with fixed audio
What a fricking mess
>garbage directors completely unsuited for the animation pipeline.
And yet they keep making smash critical and commercial successes beloved by audiences.
>commercial successes
I wouldn't go that far, they do fine, barely average, definitely nothing exceptional
>smash critical
>beloved by audiences.
Appealing to modern audiences and critics, just ape Rick and Morty and make fun of the IP you're working on every 10 seconds, they eat it the frick up
Other "non-superstar" directors do far better and appealing work with animation, that actually makes tons of money
This is a really strange recent Cinemaphile phenomenon: if you personally don't like something, it means no one else does and it's a failure. By all objective measures Lord and Miller have been moving from success to success for a decade. Their Lego and Spider-Man movies are beloved and hugely profitable. Again, you can not like them, but you don't get to change reality.
It's delusional "pro-animator rights" shitters trying to invent reasons to hate the film and directors
Anon, don't conflate people who campaign for better conditions with people who hated the film from the onset.
No, I still liked the film. I just don't like that the animators were getting fricked over during production.
Cuck
>ADD zoomer can't keep an argument straight for 2 posts in a row
The point is that Lord and Miller's horrendous approach doesn't result in any boost in product quality, audience appeal, or money made, regular directors who don't need to have every finished scene reworked 5+ times keep making better movies, liked by more people, that make vastly more money. Lord and Miller are overworking animators for no fricking reason.
It's worse considering Lord and Miller weren't even the directors of the fricking film. They kept overriding the actual directors' work
Shut up, shills. Black spiderboy didn't do that great.
>muh animators on a board for cartoons
Who's side are you on? This shit ruins video games just as much as animation. I'd argue "crunched" video games are ruining the industry just like "crunched" movies are destroying animation. Crunch is always about money.
The directors are fricking shit and don't know how animation works to be chopping out finished chunks like that. What is a storyboard?
>muh animators
OT aka crunch is standard in the industry. I've worked in both animation and video games - both notorious for crunch culture - and it was right there front and center during the interview process that overtime would come and I would be expected to do it.
>DUDE BUT PEOPLE QUIT BECAUSE OF HOW BAD IT WAS!
I saw people quit when it barely hit 48 hour weeks. Lots of people get into the industry and stupidly believe that it won't happen to them, as if crunch was only for the "bad companies."
This is like getting mad at construction companies because the workers lift heavy things.
Read the article anon, these dudes literally can't imagine what a scene would look like without seeing it finished so they keep asking for full re-takes over and over and over again, the animators who brought it up literally said what they do is much worse than the industry standard crunch, and in an inane way because the meddling producers are type 5 brainlets who hog the credit.
>OT aka crunch is standard in the industry
Yes, and it's an obvious problem. Just because it's normalized doesn't mean it's something thay should be accepted. It's the symptom of poor management that only ends up overworking and eventually burning out workers while the audience receives lower quality products more often than not
It's quite literally a lose-lose situation. Stop trying to defend this shit, because it's a major factor as to why so many games/cartoons are so bad now.
Looks like an editor of the film made a tweet to make it seem like it was on purpose. So everyone is eating it up.
Why did the animators wait until now to come forward with this info instead of revealing it close to the movie’s release? Any chance they had of hurting the film’s financial and critical reception is long gone now and everyone’s going to forget about this by the time BTSV releases
Phil Lord and Chris Miller on a new level of meta yet to be defined by man.
So stupid people would pay to see the same film twice
Isn't it just two versions? The original release and the updated one with better audio and a few other tweaks?
They literally overworked all the animators with horrid 11+ hour days every single day for months just so they can go to reddit and say "ackually there's multiple versions aren't I qwirky :D"
Those animators need to hang Lord and Miller for this
>workers have to work
OHH THE HUMANITY
>t. fatass on neetbux
So redditors would clap and call it a masterpiece because having multiple versions that change absolutely nothing about the movie is good or something
Seeing that article makes me see the Solo debacle in a new light.
Solo debacle?
Multiple reshoots iirc. He's implying that he has a hunch that they released slightly different "versions" in theaters that are actually final drafts so that some of the shots and voice lines aren't at a financial loss. Or at least, that's what suits think releasing them would prevent.
>so that some of the shots and voice lines aren't at a financial loss.
What does this mean?
NTA But I believe it means getting your money's worth.
They got booted off directing the Han Solo movie, probably because their method is inefficient and frustrating as frick while their stories all mock the IP they're working on and its fans
>probably because
How about I tell you the reason? It's because kennedy wanted a serious drama and they made a funny action adventure. homosexual.
sorry i replied to the wrong post
i'm talking about the recent Vulture article where an animator detailed the working conditions on ATSV, where Phil Lord overworked the animators by demanding constant changesand revisions. him being so indecisive got to the point that animators where basically left hanging for six months as he was storyboarding, with the resulting crunch afterwards being massive.
The Solo debacle was that Lord and Miller were the initial directors for the film, but their improvisation and style of making annoyed Lucasfilm (and reportedly, the cast and crew as well), to the point of them being fired after already shooting large part of the film.
Just a fun little multiverse concept. Does everything have to be so serious?
Either a "Meta" reason or an accident
Either way i don't care
Is there any actual evidence that this is happening? I mean actual recordings of the "different versions"? Because this sounds like people misremembering what they saw and refusing to admit they're wrong.
There's definitely a few changes
>Scarlett Spider and Spot have different lines of dialogue
>Lyla in one version doesn't tease Miguel with a Snapchat filter
>Some versions have the text for "Hobie?" appear above Miles' head when he meets him
And there's more
I asked for evidence, not more claims.
Look it up you lazy homosexual, I'm not google.
https://twitter.com/AlliterAndy/status/1672063881446035456
>Feature film editor. Associate editor on Spider-Verse movies. SAG VO Actor.
Literally in the OP.
Kino
Not only is this silly on its own, but it's some real clown shoe shit when the story just broke about the working conditions. Like what purpose does this serve? They mentioned having to redo finished work specifically. Imagine having to crunch for literal busywork.
There are a multiverse of different cuts.. get it? They're trying to impose a Mandela Effect on the audience.
this is like cats and the buttholes all over again
Do the camrips circulating online contain the "original" version of the film?
Here are your "visionary" producers lmao
Why didn’t he have this problem with the first movie?
He did, article says he did it on every movie, it happened on Rogen's Sausage Party as well which makes me think they need to stop letting these brainlet live action hacks work on animation. Expect to see the same thing brought up on TMNT.
Giving me big Lawrence Kasanoff vibes
He did. Watch the cut of ITSV where they put back all the deleted scenes that was released with the Blu Ray. Ganke has as much screen time as characters like Peni and Noir.
>People will still bootlick over this
Hopefully in the future there is better communication between departments, and they actually listen to the people making the film so praised.
Soulful.
I think the most puzzling thing about this whole Lord/the department situation is how they hired some animators only for them to do frickall for 3-6 months while Lord was thinking up sequences to come with then eventually have them go through the most grueling workload possible once they had work on their hands. Like the studios would rather spend more money doing reshoots or having workers do frickall since the directors/execs have nothing in store for them to do than figure out smoother pipeline for less of this to happen especially in the realm of animation. Hoping this shit doesn't affect the quality of Beyond.
Beyond's plot is already confirmed moronic, there's no reason to care for the rest of it
What’s the plot?
They fricked it all up by dragging determinism into it
Rather they just had the Inheritors as the bad guy
Ehh. It’d have been better if it was Doc Ock setting up some interdimensional sinister six as revenge for getting hit by a truck. Inheritors are lame.
NTA but we only know things hinted in the ending, Spot's vision, and interviews about the sequel. It's interesting stuff but I remember seeing a few people say they fear the sequel is gonna be this giant 3rd act which isn't necessarily bad but I am concerned about the execution of it especially when this news came out. I believe said all they have rn is some pre production stuff and animation tests done. I wouldn't be surprised if there's no "script" present but just tangible ideas they have for one hinted in Across.
They got, like, a full year or so to perfect the third movie. I’m sure it won’t be a mess, right?
It's joever man. Most likely will release in 2028 which really sucks for it being a 2 parter.
Could’ve sworn they were aiming for a 2024 release, but I guess this news means it’ll be push back.
Yeah the marketing for this fricked up big time. Imagine if this news came out before the film's release lol.
Feel bad for the animators because they got so much praise, but are still treated awfully
That is a much better idea. Is female Doc Ock even in the sequel?
Writers are striking, I'm already seeing talk of a potential animator guild strike when the contract is up, and work on the third one barely started, it's joever
>I'm already seeing talk of a potential animator guild strike when the contract is up
Source?
I just saw several guild members bring it up on Twitter in light of the news, nothing official yet
I assumed they would have most of it already done and had been working on it at the same time as Across if they expected it out less than a year after it. I also thought they might have had two seperate teams working on each movie, like how Pixar, Disney and Dreamworks can do that and release two movies in one year.
no way it comes out in a year
gaslighting
Just like Butterfly Effect movie back in the day, to mess around with the viewers