You have to realize that half or more of the people who browse Cinemaphile don't know a single thing about cartoons, comics, or even film & television. They're just here because they want to start catfights. Now, I do think there might be an actual discussion in the topic of how the reception and presentation of Poochies has changed in the last few decades--or even to the topic of that for as much as people don't like the Poochie characters, there's usually a devoted circle who likes that character no one likes. I know a startling amount of people who either have come around to Scrappy or always liked him to begin with, for example.
Because it's making fun of a trend that already existed even at the time. The easiest one to think of is Scrappy Doo, who debuted as early as 1979 and was far from even the earliest example of a so called 'poochie'.
There's also the fact that the episode was supposedly written in response to actual requests by execs to add a new character to the family.
At its heart the episode wasn't even a parody, it was the writers venting their frustration.
>Wanting another family member when the writers ignored Roy for YEARS
I just can't believe this character lived with the Simpsons since episode 1 and he barely does anything until he moves out to live with two sexy ladies.
The Poochie episode and Pinky and the Brain and Larry were written around the same time. They were about a real shitty trend in 1990s shows that executives were trying to push on both shows and the writers of both shows vented through these episodes. The executives failed to make The Simpsons add a real "Poochie" but succeeded at making Pinky, Elmira, and the Brain, which sucked and was promptly cancelled.
Yes it makes no sense. Pinky and the Brain were the breakout characters from Animaniacs while by that time Elmyra was already pretty hated. The match up made no sense and nothing about it worked. Things like that lyric might be a clue to how the show's own writers felt about it.
I can't get over the fact that Tiny Toons had not one, but TWO back door pilots for an Elmyra spin-off. Who the frick thought people wanted to see more Elmyra?
There were persistent rumors for years that one bigwig at the studio was crazy for Elmyra and not only wanted her to get her own spin off BEFORE PatBaE, as mentioned, about her and her family but planned spin offs for THAT spin off starting with a show called Duncan's World about her brother from that Tiny Toons episode about her family. They wanted her to be the next big thing. But it could have just been that person's wishful thinking.
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I believe the two Tiny Toons episodes about her family are confirmed backdoor pilots. Not sure about Duncan's World.
Bamm-Bamm also counts. Pebbles was kind of a historic first for animation and television, but Bamm-Bamm was just trying to recapture the Pebbles hype. Same with when they gave Barney an equivelant to Dino. That kangaroo thing.
Because it's making fun of a trend that already existed even at the time. The easiest one to think of is Scrappy Doo, who debuted as early as 1979 and was far from even the earliest example of a so called 'poochie'.
It is a very old trend. Typically when the kid character on a sitcom is too old they bring in a new kid to replace them. Additionally if they have a character that outgrows their niche they'll bring in a new character to serve that niche. Like Leo on Growing Pains. He was brought in because Mike was now too old, and Ben grew up to be ugly so he couldn't be the new heartthrob. Ben was of course also replaced by a new cute little sister because he wasn't the cute kid anymore.
And they had written in Segal's real pregnancy in the season prior. I think Olivia from The Cosby Show is one of the few times these new characters was actually widely accepted. And Michelle I guess but she was always there and despite introducing the twins I don't think Full House ever tried to have them replace Michelle as the cute kid character.
Bugs Bunny was the first poochie, what the frick are you talking about. The trope began and reversed to what we know several times before The Simpsons.
Stupid zoomer writers can't understand humor
They also have massive complexes and are convinced they are in the right, doubling down when their own OCs are rejected
>zoomers invented shitty OCs
Holy frick have you morons just collectively memoryholed the past 20+ years
invented shitty OCs
Nowhere does that post say or imply that.
You have to realize that half or more of the people who browse Cinemaphile don't know a single thing about cartoons, comics, or even film & television. They're just here because they want to start catfights. Now, I do think there might be an actual discussion in the topic of how the reception and presentation of Poochies has changed in the last few decades--or even to the topic of that for as much as people don't like the Poochie characters, there's usually a devoted circle who likes that character no one likes. I know a startling amount of people who either have come around to Scrappy or always liked him to begin with, for example.
Scrappy is funny because he is a piss head at this point his original incarnation sucks
Zoomers are barely in their 20's. What kinda of show are you watching with a bunch of teenager writers?
The oldest zoomers are 27.
And how did you know is not the 28 year old millennials making all the bad the stuff you hate?
It was a real trope then too, what do you think the joke was making fun of?
There's also the fact that the episode was supposedly written in response to actual requests by execs to add a new character to the family.
At its heart the episode wasn't even a parody, it was the writers venting their frustration.
>Wanting another family member when the writers ignored Roy for YEARS
I just can't believe this character lived with the Simpsons since episode 1 and he barely does anything until he moves out to live with two sexy ladies.
so it was a 'pinky and the brain and larry' situation huh
The best part about that is they actually ended up being forced to do that.
The Poochie episode and Pinky and the Brain and Larry were written around the same time. They were about a real shitty trend in 1990s shows that executives were trying to push on both shows and the writers of both shows vented through these episodes. The executives failed to make The Simpsons add a real "Poochie" but succeeded at making Pinky, Elmira, and the Brain, which sucked and was promptly cancelled.
elmira was such a terrible idea they mocked it in the theme song. imagine how terrible it must've been to actually work on it
>now pinky and the brain share a new domain
>its what the network wants, why bother to complain?
Yes it makes no sense. Pinky and the Brain were the breakout characters from Animaniacs while by that time Elmyra was already pretty hated. The match up made no sense and nothing about it worked. Things like that lyric might be a clue to how the show's own writers felt about it.
I can't get over the fact that Tiny Toons had not one, but TWO back door pilots for an Elmyra spin-off. Who the frick thought people wanted to see more Elmyra?
1 pedo executive
Probably did really well on focus groups somehow.
It was probably some older executive who was stuck in the "cartoons = kids, so a cartoon about a kid is a surefire winner" mindset.
There were persistent rumors for years that one bigwig at the studio was crazy for Elmyra and not only wanted her to get her own spin off BEFORE PatBaE, as mentioned, about her and her family but planned spin offs for THAT spin off starting with a show called Duncan's World about her brother from that Tiny Toons episode about her family. They wanted her to be the next big thing. But it could have just been that person's wishful thinking.
I believe the two Tiny Toons episodes about her family are confirmed backdoor pilots. Not sure about Duncan's World.
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Bamm-Bamm also counts. Pebbles was kind of a historic first for animation and television, but Bamm-Bamm was just trying to recapture the Pebbles hype. Same with when they gave Barney an equivelant to Dino. That kangaroo thing.
Because it's making fun of a trend that already existed even at the time. The easiest one to think of is Scrappy Doo, who debuted as early as 1979 and was far from even the earliest example of a so called 'poochie'.
Cousin Oliver on the Brady Bunch is another famous example if non Cinemaphile.
It is a very old trend. Typically when the kid character on a sitcom is too old they bring in a new kid to replace them. Additionally if they have a character that outgrows their niche they'll bring in a new character to serve that niche. Like Leo on Growing Pains. He was brought in because Mike was now too old, and Ben grew up to be ugly so he couldn't be the new heartthrob. Ben was of course also replaced by a new cute little sister because he wasn't the cute kid anymore.
Married with Children introduced Seven in season 7 (get it) when Bud and Kelly weren't kids any longer.
And they had written in Segal's real pregnancy in the season prior. I think Olivia from The Cosby Show is one of the few times these new characters was actually widely accepted. And Michelle I guess but she was always there and despite introducing the twins I don't think Full House ever tried to have them replace Michelle as the cute kid character.
Simpsons never "predicted" anything. Society and culture are just cyclical, and the stuff they were referencing keeps reoccurring.
Whatever happened to this show?
It's dead.
I can't believe they fast tracked this heap of shit to TV show. Who did Bendis have to suck to make that happen? The comic flopped hard.
Any and all Disney movies and Star Wars movie now.
I think it's more of an MCU issue.
I agree, Phineas & Ferb is the worst cartoon ever and woke garbage and such other right wing buzzwords.
1. Perry is a main character
2. Perry was there from the very begining
Millennials took it to heart not realizing it's a bad thing being mocked and not a good idea
Bugs Bunny was the first poochie, what the frick are you talking about. The trope began and reversed to what we know several times before The Simpsons.
Maybe they were being self-deprecating
Can you give an example, OP?
because you've never watched a show produced before 1997
>that time fop shoehorned in the most literal definition of a poochie in the show