Why did Vader stick by Sheev's side? The only reason he turned to the dark side was to save Padme who died anyway. Did he expect Sheev to teach him how to bring back people from the dead? And it took him 25 years to realize it wasn't going to happen? Why didn't he just kill Sheev when he learned that his wife was dead?
extreme sunk cost fallacy
this, it's made clear when he says "it's too late for me" to luke
It was implied that he wanted to rule the galaxy and overthrow the emperor, I’m assuming he probably was trying to figure out a way of doing it without being destroyed but couldn’t because the emperor was pretty powerful. Vader was willing to betray the emperor with Luke as soon as he had the chance.
Also, after he force-chokes padme he goes on a rant about building his new empire:
It’s implied that he was just seduced by the idea of having power because he lacked trust in others (the Jedi, his friends, and his wife) and felt they were corrupt liars and that a cleansing was required to purge the corruption. I think the analogy of this corruption was the sand and the sand people, also representing democracy, the rule of many being analogous to grains of sand whereas a rule of one or two is more solid and less chaotic. I think he felt the Jedi were like the sand people, primitive and stupid and that they were in denial and just trying to keep him down. But more than anything I think it’s implied that his concrete fears of losing his mother and padme just became abstract fears, excuses for him to indulge in narcissistic ego-driven lust for power.
Btw, I hate the prequels. I think they are terrible films.
Because he's a shell of his former self.
Only after the prequel lore is that a thing which makes it not make sense. Before then, it was fine.
He did try to kill him immediately after his "nooooo"
Sheev lighting'd him
1) Vader is a cripple
2) Palpatine is his groomer/abuser
3) There is nothing left in life for him until Luke
>There is nothing left in life for him
That's my point, why didn't he kill Sheev and then himself? Would bring perfect balance in the Force
learn about darth malgus and darth nihilus and revan and you will understand
and the philosophy of kreia
>read gay EU crap written by third party writers and has absolutely nothing to do with the prequels to understand the prequels
>learning about the siths philosophy, history motivations wont tell you anything about their present behavior and actions
lol you are a top tier fricking moron arent ya boy? stupid fricking Black person stfu and stop posting
>learning about the siths philosophy, history motivations wont tell you anything about their present behavior and actions
As written by people with absolutely nothing to do with the prequels? I might as well read Harry Potter and apply Voldemort's philosophy onto Anakin to understand him
when you are stupid I know it is hard to make sense of things and understand how they are connected, causation etc. sticking to HP is a good idea for you
>the grammar in this post
Could barely make out this ESL logic
KOTOR and stuff like the Sith pledge is almost entirely made up by Obsidian writers, Lucas had nothing to do with it. He was writing and making the prequels when KOTOR was being made, he didn't give a shit about some random videogame, it's just a licensing arrangement to make him more money.
Ironic that Obsidian were able to come up with a 10x better story than him.
>moron states the obvious
wow thanks
And yet you use some bullshit that a video game writer came up with to explain Vader's motivation in a series entirely removed from it?
>lore doesnt change over time based on added additions to said lore
you are as stupid as this other dumb frick. Yah Lara Croft's dad wasnt an archaeologist either moron
Yeah of course lore changes over time but you make changes that make sense with previous films. Obviously Leia and Luke were not meant to be siblings in the first two OT movies and they added that to the third, but it made sense.
In the prequels they show everything we need to know about Anakin, it's supposed to be a character study and he never shows any desire to rule the entire galaxy. His whole reason for joining Palpatine is because he's supposed to have the power to save his wife.
Then his wife dies and he just goes "well whatever I'll just rule the galaxy with this insanely evil man and betray everything I've ever known lol". There isn't enough supplementary material to fill up that gap in logic.
padme didnt even exist in the OT moron. Actually think about what you are saying here. Characters are fleshed out and their motivations and aims expanded on when new material comes out. That is the entire point of making new material ffs
>Characters are fleshed out and their motivations and aims expanded on when new material comes out. That is the entire point of making new material ffs
lmao no that's not how it works. The Revenge of the Sith was meant to show how Anakin became Darth Vader but didn't.
Imagine if in Return of the Jedi we didn't know that Vader was Luke's father. Then when the Emperor starts torturing him in the throne room scene Vader throws him down that shaft and kills him, and you're left wondering "why the frick did he do that". Then we find out years later from some shitty EU comic that Vader was actually Luke's father and that's why he did it.
Do you not realise how dumb it is to leave out why Anakin would still remain with Palpatine at the end of the prequels? This is critical information just left out of the movie. Most people don't give a frick about the EU and some shitty comics afterwards.
>lmao no that's not how it works. The Revenge of the Sith was meant to show how Anakin became Darth Vader but didn't.
except for the fact that most people who arent moronic seem to understand it fine while you do not. Not reading or responding to the rest your autism is exhausting
My God adult Star Wars fans are dumber than the kids those films were made for. Anakin is enslaved by Palpatine. Palps is his abuser, he will destroy Vader if he betrays him. Vader is a cripple. The end.
>be libtard architect pacifist
>have daughter get raped and murdered
>become a vigilante and murder criminals
congrats you figured out the plot to death wish and essentially batman. Moral of the story? People can completely change after traumatic events that leave their prior life in shambles, what a shocker and mind frick
I am giving you the entire picture from all of the lore, from start to finish and in one breath you are knocking expanded lore while in the other cherry pocking it. Jesus do you legit have autism? If all you had is the OT and you wanted to have a this discussion then the answers or at least theories of the answers would be completely different than after the preqs come out. When you learn more about people over time you are in a better position to understand their actions and motivations. Wow what a galaxy brained concept. Expanded material is literally designed to answer questions fans have about characters history and motivation, wtf reason would you make more lore for if it didnt?
The "lore" you're talking about is shitty attempts afterwards by non-Lucas writers to attempt to make sense of Lucas' poorly thought out script and unexplained character motivations.
It's clear from the movie there's no real reason for Vader to stick by him except "well that's where we see him in A New Hope!"
after his wife's death his journey to the dark side was complete, which was Palpatine's plan the entire time. This was explained and even narrated in the movie autist. After he became sith none of his prior motivations for anything mattered anymore, this .... also was well explained countless times
>the movie autist
is that a YT channel?
The Sith pledge is actually fully canon thanks to Sam Witwer. He recited it as Maul in TCW.
>He recited it as Maul in TCW
Wow another gay EU cartoon
I'm talking about Vader in the prequels, not any of the other shit that came afterwards
>make stupid movie with incomprehensible character arcs/ motivations
>"let's just make up some new shit to explain it in another bit of media, or better yet steal it from that videogame we gave licensing to, people seemed to like that lol"
Can't believe people defend this shit
no one tell him where the rule of two came from or the chiss
KOTOR is what really fleshed out the history and lore of SW, thew jedi and sith. The movies are actually only a footnote in comparison, a logical progression from KOTOR. You are stupid
Kys.
You dont know shit if you think KOTOR is the best. Its 2md best to 90s tale of the jedi. You fricking pleb homosexual
>Why did Vader stick by Sheev's side?
Because being a Sith is badass.
he does have plans to overthrow him a number of times in the EU and in the actual movie lore. He just needed help, he asks luke to help him in ESB. He knows he cant take himself. The whole Reva storyline in Obi Wan is basically just Vaders re-told. Keep your enemies close
Why would he want to overthrow the Emperor? He never showed any desire to rule the galaxy.
because he is sith. It is like asking "why did the vikings sail to places to raid them" it is just their culture, and their creed. The insatiable desire for more power. The way sith graduate from apprentice to master is to grow powerful enough to eventually kill their master, that is how the sith master mantle is passed
>It is like asking "why did the vikings sail to places to raid them"
They raided places to steal goods and women to rape/ make their wives you fricking idiot. They absolutely had reasons for what they did.
There's no logical leap from "want to save wife / she dies / well I guess I want to rule the galaxy as a fascist dictatorship now lol"
>mouth breathing moron calling someone else an idiot
you are too fricking stupid for me to even waste my time responding too. Try reading a book sometime you fricking moron, start with beowulf
>epic poetry
>book
what did he mean by this?
Beowulf doesn't go on a viking raid you fricking idiot
this is what a double digit IQ looks like
>tells me to read Beowulf
>doesn't even know what happens in it
>accuses other people of being stupid since you can't actually debate what happens in Beowulf
beowulf is about adventuring for glory because of their warrior's code, even if it means losing their life because they will go to valhalla if they die in battle you stupid Black person. Your problem is you are fricking stupid, simple as
Beowulf is not a book
So you admit now that there's no viking raids in it and thereby prove my point? Lmao.
Also your take is hilariously asinine, it's a fable, there's a lot more going on than that.
>bro you dont any subtext to understand vader ha ha ah that's stupid
>let me tell you about this subtext in beowulf you skipped over to give a valid, on topic tldr synopsis to a stupid Black person like me
>bro you dont any subtext to understand vader ha ha ah that's stupid
What? This is literally incomprehensible you ESL moron
imagine your life being so pathetic your gets your kicks trolling anime forums at 8 am on Saturday by acting like an imbecile, hahhaha crazy right?
>implying I'm American
I'm not trolling idiot, sorry that you're so moronic and your English is so poor you can't even maintain a debate for more than a couple posts.
>admitting you really are this stupid and toxic
I believe you kiddo
>not even bothering to articulate your original argument
It was probably shit anyway
see a fricking coward like you can never understand the warrior's code, the samurai, because your stupid ass is like "bro they had a wife, a farm and sheeeeit" they dont want a wife and farm you stupid Black person, they dont want a life as a farmer, they want to fight, they want to rule.
Viking raids weren't about fighting you fricking idiot, they preyed on defenceless peasants and monks for their own indulgences - sex and to steal food and other stuff.
>The way sith graduate from apprentice to master is to grow powerful enough to eventually kill their master, that is how the sith master mantle is passed
That is only circumstancial, you are thinking of Jodorowsky's Metabarons
>That is only circumstancial, you are thinking of Jodorowsky's Metabarons
its literally the rule of two. its canon in the movies.
Nowhere is implied that the rule of two requires the student to kill the master.
lel
That's the thing, Vader was never truly 100% a Sith. There was always Anakin in him. Anakin sucked as both Jedi and Sith because he is the Chosen One. It's pottery.
So sith's are israelites and jedi are christians?
>He never showed any desire to rule the galaxy
"join me and we can rule the galaxy like father and son"
Yeah in the OT he does, nothing about his character in the prequels suggests he wants that.
Maybe he would want to rule the galaxy to do something like abolish slavery because of his mum but he obviously doesn't do anything like that.
My new empire
>someone should make them
it is literally foreshadowed the entire series from OT to preqs moron
>nothing about his character in the prequels suggests he wants that
>You and I can rule the galaxy, make things the way we want them to be
You see Anakin always wanted to rule WITH someone. He just wants to make the galaxy a better place with his family.
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>You and I can rule the galaxy, make things the way we want them to be
But like I said he doesn't do anything like abolish slavery, far from it.
He just runs a typical exploitative military Empire.
Because Sheev is the one in control
Did you… watch the movies by any chance?
He tells Padme as much in Episode 3, doofus.
He ended up being weaker than the emperor. Vader was weak to force lightning with all his life support shit. That is also why he can't create it himself. That is also why he gets BTFO by the emperor in ROTJ. If Anakin wasn't burned he would have killed palpatine eventually.
Vader wanted to overthrow Sheev and usurp his galaxywide empire, but knew he couldn't do it on his own as the crippled man he was. So he had to ask Luke for his help in TESB.
he also took on a secret apprentice long before that he was training to help him do it, starkiller
Not canon. SK is more cringe than Rey
>SK is more cringe than Rey
How?
he's not but he is still pretty cringe
he's the 90s xtreme version of a jedi
What is Star Wars about? Beyond the battle between good and evil and lazer swords and all that bullshit, what is it really about? I'l tell you what it's about, it's about a democracy trying to keep a young man from going gay.
So it's like, it's like, the Chancelor is telling Anakin "come to the dark side, come with us, come to the gay side" because Anakin is conflicted, he wants Padme. So Padme is like "I got keep this guy on the straight side, I gotta make him a jedi" so what does she do? What does Padme do? She disguises. She covers her face, she puts on makeup to look more like an android prostitute from Anchorhead, where, by the way, Luke often visited to "pick up power converters", than a real woman, to trick Anakin. And that's the only time she manages to get him to bed. But then, THEN, Anakin decides to join the Sith, to join the gays, because he cannot hold back any longer. And then the Chancelor has his army of clones and sends Anakin to cut the younglings and the Republic is getting fricked and the jedis are taking the hits, the gays are winning the incels and what does Sheev tell Anakin at the end? What does he tell him? That's right "the dark side is a pathway to abilities some consider UN-NATURAL!"
>high fives
Based Tarantinoposter
>an android prostitute from Anchorhead
>it's about a democracy trying to keep a young man from going gay.
KEK I wasn't expecting that.
>where, by the way, Luke often visited to "pick up power converters"
>android prostitute
Why does anyone stick around in a cycle of endless abuse and stupid? The unknown is sometimes worse than the known. The world is a disgusting place and Vader is just a b***h ass foot soldier.
once you go black, there's no coming back
Being a sith lord is kino that's why
Why did Lucas stick by Disney's side? The only reason he turned to the dark side was to save Star Wars which died anyway. Did he expect Disney to teach him how to direct? Why didn't he just kill Disney when he learned that his franchise was dead?
It's beyond his ability and he may as well use what he did get with his share in the empire to do other things he wanted.
So this guy is responsible for the deaths of billions, but because he doesnt want to kill his son, he is redeemed from all of that? Fricking lame
they were sub humans mostly, it was fine
>come back to the light
The Jedi really are the bad guys after all.
It’s arguably the biggest failure of the prequel films. Everyone praises ROTS for Anakin’s fall and it being edgy, but its so rushed that only the most simple-minded viewer would accept it at face value. Within ten minutes, Anakin literally goes from trying to turn in the most dangerous Sith Lord in the galaxy, to helping murder Mace Windu, pledging his loyalty to Palpatine, and marching on the Jedi temple like space Hitler while killing children. To make matters worse, it’s handled like he was tricked into doing all of it.
If Obi Wan did anything right, it was having Vader deliver the line that he “killed Anakin”. That one minute of dialog fees more genuine and real than any of his “fall” in Episode 3. He’s embracing his evil and thriving off of it - he has no other motivation than to destroy others as he destroyed himself. The audience instantly gets it, just as Obi Wan does. It’s heartbreak and tragic, instead of goofy and hamfisted like ROTS.
>If Obi Wan did anything right, it was having Vader deliver the line that he “killed Anakin”.
?
The Obi Wan show… where Darth Vader says he killed Anakin Skywalker. Implying that Anakin wanted to destroy entirely who he was before to achieve more power.
Did you watch it on double speed?
>stick with palp
>do whatever palp says (and do some secret shit on the side)
or
>kill palp and pretty much do exactly what palp was going to do anyway
>still do the same side shit
there really wasnt any reason to oppose him.
>3 seconds of force lighting kills him why no overthrow the emperor the prequels suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
okay mike shut the frick up now.