Its like a version of futurama where the writers don’t actually like or care about the genre they are referencing so its as generic as possible.
Modern rick and morty is the same way
Plot was going in 50 different directions at any given moment. Nothing was getting resolved. Also and [...]
I can't follow it. Honestly this is a show where too much continuity hurts it because I frankly don't give a shit about some evil prophecy or steam punk land or elfo's parentage or what the frick ever they're going on about now. It doesn't even manage to do haha-fantasy-jokes well.
It's not really clear if it's actually attempting to be a comedy or if Elfo showed up to the wrong show and they just ran with it. It definitely doesn't have the ability to watch whatever episode you want like Futurama/Simpsons do and that hurts it a lot for me.
There is very little appeal beyond the voice. The plot is meandering, jumbled and predictable. It does not seem to like its own genre. It's Groening's worst show aesthetically with limited and muted colors. It's also more depressing than funny since it has all the death, dirt and morbidness of the medieval setting with a lot of nihlistic current year culture despite the time period.
>How did this show manage to survive Netflix's animation purge?
Probably because it's one of their most watched animations despite what the Cinemaphileomers would have you believe. Kind of how this board shits on Big Mouth, but apparently Netflix execs all agreed that it did well enough to warrant a fricking spin-off.
But Big Mouth is cheap. Disenchantment isn't. I did the math on the views Disenchantment got and the numbers are nowhere near enough to warrant a renewal even if I were to say everybody watching is subscribed to the highest Netflix tier.
Even with split seasons it's not breaking even. Disenchantment isn't really moving merch either. Nobody is calling for more episodes, home releases, or video games.
Something's up with it's production. I doubt Groening has three separate writing staff groups. Pretty much everybody that wrote for Disenchantment came from Futurama and I'm pretty sure they all went back when they were finished with Disenchantment. Hulu's had its eye on bringing back Futurama for a while and I bet the whole deal was that Groening would return to Futurama when Disenchantment wrapped up. It feels very vindictive that Hulu would announce Futurama's return on the same day Part 4 of Disenchantment dropped.
Something's going on here. I'm not being paranoid, am I?
Not that anon but Netflix publishes the view time for stuff that reaches the top tern, at least at the time of release. I guess using the time you can "calculate" how many people watched it. Though I think it can't be truly accurate since you're assuming people watched the full series
https://flixpatrol.com/title/disenchantment/hours-viewed/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I did the math on the views
How?
Yup, I looked at the number of viewing hours the series got when it was in Netflix's top 10 scripted series for two weeks. Then I looked at the average amount of hours a Netflix account screens in a month (iirc 90 hours). I took $20, the highest account tier, and divided it by 90 hours to figure out how much money is allocated per hour ($0.23). Then I took that amount and multiplied it by the number of hours recorded in Netflix's top 10 for the two weeks (it was like 32 million hours total). So that means it earned $7,360,000 in those two weeks. Every episode of a Groening show costs one million dollars at minimum to produce, so ten episodes mean a budget of at least ten million to produce. Seven and a half million is three-quarters of the ten million threshold, and that's assuming everybody watching is on the most expensive tier. While Disenchantment definitely still got views after those two weeks, I figured the viewing hours would be relatively nominal, maybe at most twice as much as what it got in those two weeks. Even if Disenchantment raked in 15 million USD for Part 4, it's really not enough- I wouldn't be surprised if each episode was closer to two million a pop to produce.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think I did the math wrong. Lemme try to simplify the wall of text and provide sources while being a little more accurate: >$15 per Month for Highest Account Tier / 90 Viewing Hours on Average per Netflix Account = $0.17 per Hour >Of course there's overhead, but I'm being extremely generous to highlight how poorly the show is actually performing. >17,090,000 Hours Viewed in Release Week + 12,300,000 Hours Viewed in Second Week = 29,390,000 Hours >Release Week Source: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-02-13 >Second Week Source: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-02-20 >While that only accounts for the first two weeks of the English dub, I looked around to see the ratings in other languages and Disenchantment only cracked the top 10 in countries like Hungary (I'm not sure Hungary exactly, that's just an example of the obscurity). Obviously in streaming a program still gets viewed after the first two weeks, but if streaming viewing habits are anything like typical box office performances, viewership falls drastically after the first two weeks. >Let's round up the total viewed hours for the first two weeks to 30,000,000 and double it to include hours racked up since the first two weeks and foreign views, so 60,000,000 total viewing hours. >60,000,000 Total Viewing Hours * $0.17 per Hour = $10,200,000. >If every episode in Part 4 cost $1,250,000 to produce (that's still low balling), then all of Part 4 would have cost $12,500,000 to produce. >$10,200,000 in Profit for Part 4 < $12,500,000 Cost of Part 4
2 years ago
Anonymous
Error: the $15 per month plan is mid-tier, not the highest tier.
The average hours viewed a day on Netflix is 3.2 according to https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-netflix-subscribers-watch-32-hours-and-use-96-gb-of-data-per-day so I rounded it to 90 a month to increase the value of a viewing hour.
The $1,250,000 per episode comes from a Futurama commentary that said each episode is $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 to produce. That was also back ten years ago for a show with 22 minutes of animation, unlike Disenchantment where every episode has more than 22 minutes in length. Human characters in Disenchantment have 5 fingers per hand instead of the traditional 4 like in Groening's other shows, so that means more pencil mileage. And those backgrounds are not cheap. I would actually expect each episode to be closer to $2,500,000 to produce knowing the amount of quality and detail put into the art.
The viewing hours are really a complete mystery.
According to Kevin Smith, all Netflix cares about is that a show at least pays for itself when it comes to renewal, but that was also before Netflix hit the ceiling.
I can't follow it. Honestly this is a show where too much continuity hurts it because I frankly don't give a shit about some evil prophecy or steam punk land or elfo's parentage or what the frick ever they're going on about now. It doesn't even manage to do haha-fantasy-jokes well.
It's not really clear if it's actually attempting to be a comedy or if Elfo showed up to the wrong show and they just ran with it. It definitely doesn't have the ability to watch whatever episode you want like Futurama/Simpsons do and that hurts it a lot for me.
There is very little appeal beyond the voice. The plot is meandering, jumbled and predictable. It does not seem to like its own genre. It's Groening's worst show aesthetically with limited and muted colors. It's also more depressing than funny since it has all the death, dirt and morbidness of the medieval setting with a lot of nihlistic current year culture despite the time period.
Bland as hell. Dropped it when they started with the steampunk place. Kinda seems like they were desperately trying to make something interesting happen.
I can't ask for answers when I don't even know the questions. The show rarely makes viewers question things. I mean, did anybody really care who Elfo's mom is? Do we actually care about Dreamland's value? Is anybody curious as to what the prophecy Dagmar is trying to fulfill? Does anybody give a shit about Jasper? Why would viewers want to think about Freckles when he is more irritating than Elfo?
This series did not make the audience fall in love with the characters like Futurama did. Bean's an unlikeable b***h framed as the hero when she constantly takes her luxurious lifestyle for granted. Elfo is Bean's tumor. Luci, one the best characters, was unbearable in Part 4 with all his scatting.
At first I thought her voice was cute and then I heard the actress doing the exact same voice in other roles and roles where she was not an animated character. And then I realized it was just her voice. It was so odd to see a VA with less than 0 range. Hell, Billy West was like 4 or 5 main characters on Doug and would regularly talk to himself, with me none-the-wiser.
There's usually 13 months between parts, bar part 3 due to the pandemic.
At first I thought her voice was cute and then I heard the actress doing the exact same voice in other roles and roles where she was not an animated character. And then I realized it was just her voice. It was so odd to see a VA with less than 0 range. Hell, Billy West was like 4 or 5 main characters on Doug and would regularly talk to himself, with me none-the-wiser.
I've asked this exact question on Cinemaphile before and have been told that the last season was literally their last contracted season. That they willingly ended it on a cliffhanger.
How much I believe that anon is... Dependent on if the show ever gets another season.
The showrunner implied/pretty much outright stated he's working on another season. Now whether that season is going to be two parts of ten episodes each or if Netflix Owl Housed them and are making them wrap it up in ten episodes is the question. I guess we'll get official confirmation at Comic Con in three weeks, assuming Disenchantment can manage to get a panel.
Every time a new season comes out and doesn't conclude the story I am surprised by their decision to keep going. It's always getting lukewarm reactions at best so I feel like they're close to being axed like so many other netflix shows.
I've asked this exact question on Cinemaphile before and have been told that the last season was literally their last contracted season. That they willingly ended it on a cliffhanger.
How much I believe that anon is... Dependent on if the show ever gets another season.
It was painfully boring.
Best night's sleep I've had in a while
I didn't even though I really should.
Not a single laugh out of me.
This. First season goes by, and I just felt annoyed by the end.
Matt Groening, if he ever actually had it, clearly doesn't have a grasp on comedy anymore.
Is it canceled? I haven't seen anything about another season.
Showrunner Josh Weinstein says there's more coming, but I'm just like why? How did this show manage to survive Netflix's animation purge?
There's something really fishy about the whole situation.
>How did this show manage to survive Netflix's animation purge?
Probably because it's one of their most watched animations despite what the Cinemaphileomers would have you believe. Kind of how this board shits on Big Mouth, but apparently Netflix execs all agreed that it did well enough to warrant a fricking spin-off.
But Big Mouth is cheap. Disenchantment isn't. I did the math on the views Disenchantment got and the numbers are nowhere near enough to warrant a renewal even if I were to say everybody watching is subscribed to the highest Netflix tier.
I'm pretty sure Disenchantment does the split season thing but that only partly explains it
Even with split seasons it's not breaking even. Disenchantment isn't really moving merch either. Nobody is calling for more episodes, home releases, or video games.
Something's up with it's production. I doubt Groening has three separate writing staff groups. Pretty much everybody that wrote for Disenchantment came from Futurama and I'm pretty sure they all went back when they were finished with Disenchantment. Hulu's had its eye on bringing back Futurama for a while and I bet the whole deal was that Groening would return to Futurama when Disenchantment wrapped up. It feels very vindictive that Hulu would announce Futurama's return on the same day Part 4 of Disenchantment dropped.
Something's going on here. I'm not being paranoid, am I?
>I did the math on the views
How?
Not that anon but Netflix publishes the view time for stuff that reaches the top tern, at least at the time of release. I guess using the time you can "calculate" how many people watched it. Though I think it can't be truly accurate since you're assuming people watched the full series
https://flixpatrol.com/title/disenchantment/hours-viewed/
Yup, I looked at the number of viewing hours the series got when it was in Netflix's top 10 scripted series for two weeks. Then I looked at the average amount of hours a Netflix account screens in a month (iirc 90 hours). I took $20, the highest account tier, and divided it by 90 hours to figure out how much money is allocated per hour ($0.23). Then I took that amount and multiplied it by the number of hours recorded in Netflix's top 10 for the two weeks (it was like 32 million hours total). So that means it earned $7,360,000 in those two weeks. Every episode of a Groening show costs one million dollars at minimum to produce, so ten episodes mean a budget of at least ten million to produce. Seven and a half million is three-quarters of the ten million threshold, and that's assuming everybody watching is on the most expensive tier. While Disenchantment definitely still got views after those two weeks, I figured the viewing hours would be relatively nominal, maybe at most twice as much as what it got in those two weeks. Even if Disenchantment raked in 15 million USD for Part 4, it's really not enough- I wouldn't be surprised if each episode was closer to two million a pop to produce.
I think I did the math wrong. Lemme try to simplify the wall of text and provide sources while being a little more accurate:
>$15 per Month for Highest Account Tier / 90 Viewing Hours on Average per Netflix Account = $0.17 per Hour
>Of course there's overhead, but I'm being extremely generous to highlight how poorly the show is actually performing.
>17,090,000 Hours Viewed in Release Week + 12,300,000 Hours Viewed in Second Week = 29,390,000 Hours
>Release Week Source: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-02-13
>Second Week Source: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-02-20
>While that only accounts for the first two weeks of the English dub, I looked around to see the ratings in other languages and Disenchantment only cracked the top 10 in countries like Hungary (I'm not sure Hungary exactly, that's just an example of the obscurity). Obviously in streaming a program still gets viewed after the first two weeks, but if streaming viewing habits are anything like typical box office performances, viewership falls drastically after the first two weeks.
>Let's round up the total viewed hours for the first two weeks to 30,000,000 and double it to include hours racked up since the first two weeks and foreign views, so 60,000,000 total viewing hours.
>60,000,000 Total Viewing Hours * $0.17 per Hour = $10,200,000.
>If every episode in Part 4 cost $1,250,000 to produce (that's still low balling), then all of Part 4 would have cost $12,500,000 to produce.
>$10,200,000 in Profit for Part 4 < $12,500,000 Cost of Part 4
Error: the $15 per month plan is mid-tier, not the highest tier.
The average hours viewed a day on Netflix is 3.2 according to https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-netflix-subscribers-watch-32-hours-and-use-96-gb-of-data-per-day so I rounded it to 90 a month to increase the value of a viewing hour.
The $1,250,000 per episode comes from a Futurama commentary that said each episode is $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 to produce. That was also back ten years ago for a show with 22 minutes of animation, unlike Disenchantment where every episode has more than 22 minutes in length. Human characters in Disenchantment have 5 fingers per hand instead of the traditional 4 like in Groening's other shows, so that means more pencil mileage. And those backgrounds are not cheap. I would actually expect each episode to be closer to $2,500,000 to produce knowing the amount of quality and detail put into the art.
The viewing hours are really a complete mystery.
According to Kevin Smith, all Netflix cares about is that a show at least pays for itself when it comes to renewal, but that was also before Netflix hit the ceiling.
I didn't. But it was very clear they didn't quite know what they were doing.
Plot was going in 50 different directions at any given moment. Nothing was getting resolved. Also and
Its like a version of futurama where the writers don’t actually like or care about the genre they are referencing so its as generic as possible.
Modern rick and morty is the same way
Just like the Duncanville threads
None of y'all frickin talked about it
So she faded into obscurity
because the season ended dumbass
Is there a new season?
It was painfully unfunny
Shes a roaster
She got sweet mermaid puss and that was the end
Isn't your wife a lesbian?
Watched 4 episodes, the show didnt know what it wanted to be.
I can't follow it. Honestly this is a show where too much continuity hurts it because I frankly don't give a shit about some evil prophecy or steam punk land or elfo's parentage or what the frick ever they're going on about now. It doesn't even manage to do haha-fantasy-jokes well.
It keeps posing new questions without answering existing questions.
It's not really clear if it's actually attempting to be a comedy or if Elfo showed up to the wrong show and they just ran with it. It definitely doesn't have the ability to watch whatever episode you want like Futurama/Simpsons do and that hurts it a lot for me.
There is very little appeal beyond the voice. The plot is meandering, jumbled and predictable. It does not seem to like its own genre. It's Groening's worst show aesthetically with limited and muted colors. It's also more depressing than funny since it has all the death, dirt and morbidness of the medieval setting with a lot of nihlistic current year culture despite the time period.
Because is not funny
SHE UGLY BRUH
Bland as hell. Dropped it when they started with the steampunk place. Kinda seems like they were desperately trying to make something interesting happen.
it wasn't funny
You know a show is bad when not even butterface coombait gets Cinemaphile to watch it.
>There is a throwback to this scene in the second season but we don't get to see her panties
It's painfully unfunny. Even sitting through zombie Simpsons is a better experience.
And everytime I look at her, I see nelson
I never started.
You're better off that way
They should have spent money on the writing instead of spending billions on big name VA.
Does money actually solve writing ? Seems like every writer now is writing stories the same generic way.
All build up, no resolution
I can't ask for answers when I don't even know the questions. The show rarely makes viewers question things. I mean, did anybody really care who Elfo's mom is? Do we actually care about Dreamland's value? Is anybody curious as to what the prophecy Dagmar is trying to fulfill? Does anybody give a shit about Jasper? Why would viewers want to think about Freckles when he is more irritating than Elfo?
This series did not make the audience fall in love with the characters like Futurama did. Bean's an unlikeable b***h framed as the hero when she constantly takes her luxurious lifestyle for granted. Elfo is Bean's tumor. Luci, one the best characters, was unbearable in Part 4 with all his scatting.
I watched it until it ended, but it was really slow-going near the end.
Your "wife" is a painfully unfunny, genuinely awful character in a crappy cartoon by a guy who lost his touch over a decade ago
At first I thought her voice was cute and then I heard the actress doing the exact same voice in other roles and roles where she was not an animated character. And then I realized it was just her voice. It was so odd to see a VA with less than 0 range. Hell, Billy West was like 4 or 5 main characters on Doug and would regularly talk to himself, with me none-the-wiser.
Can women even?
I liked it.
Next season when?
There's usually 13 months between parts, bar part 3 due to the pandemic.
Tara Strong, Kath Soucie, Tress MacNeille, Nancy Cartwright, Kimberly Brooks
The showrunner implied/pretty much outright stated he's working on another season. Now whether that season is going to be two parts of ten episodes each or if Netflix Owl Housed them and are making them wrap it up in ten episodes is the question. I guess we'll get official confirmation at Comic Con in three weeks, assuming Disenchantment can manage to get a panel.
Every time a new season comes out and doesn't conclude the story I am surprised by their decision to keep going. It's always getting lukewarm reactions at best so I feel like they're close to being axed like so many other netflix shows.
I've asked this exact question on Cinemaphile before and have been told that the last season was literally their last contracted season. That they willingly ended it on a cliffhanger.
How much I believe that anon is... Dependent on if the show ever gets another season.
Mora is worse than Asami. Straight men shouldn't write lesbian relationships.
I really don't get why Bean didn't try to execute or at least imprison whatshisface the vizier, after he had already turned openly treacherous