Reminder that in the book when they attempt to take the Caradhras pass the mountain itself causes the snow storm tha forces them to turn around because the mountain is racist against Dwarves.
I remember reading in the book that legolas was able to just skip across the snow because he was lightweight or something. You can see it in this scene too where everyone is trudging through the snow and he's just strolling along.
I remember reading in the book that legolas was able to just skip across the snow because he was lightweight or something. You can see it in this scene too where everyone is trudging through the snow and he's just strolling along.
iirc each race had special attributes.
Elves are in tune with the earth and can do special things like creep silently and keep out of sight but are sensitive to specific types of harm. Big plot points is rape specifically.
Humans are easily corruptible but they have the strength to do things others cannot, i.e. push through the snow on the mountain.
Dwarves are hardest to corrupt but are craft work autists.
Forgot about hobbits but they're difficult to corrupt as well (see Bilbo and Frodo) and are able to hide too.
Elrond's wife got captured by orcs and stabbed with a poison blade. She was rescued but had to leave Middle-Earth to deal with the trauma. Rape is not mentioned but it does have undertones of her being violated and disgraced.
Elrond's wife got orc'd and had to leave Middle-Earth
normally elves who get orc'd are confirmed to wither and die
Eol kidnapping and raping one elf princess taking advantage of the fact that elves can only frick one person
Elves fricked things up so bad that Eru Iluvatar had to change the rules of Arda. But the elves still play by the old rules because they are the first race and just too cool.
Real answer? Foraging, fishing and hunting. Didn't get the Lembas bread until after Loth Lorien. Given everyone they have in their party, before it fell apart, I'm sure they ate just fine. >Merry and Pippin have a knack for foraging >Sam's a master gardener and supposedly one helluva cook >Legolas has aimbot (killed a Nazgul felbeast at night near Argonath) >Aragorn is a ranger with intimate knowledge of living off the fats of many different lands >Gandalf probably helped fish and forage or use magic to shake eggs out of nests or something >Boromir and Gimli were probably relegated to firewood duty since they don't really seem to bring much for survival skills to the group
They also had Bill the pony with them up until Moria. Homeboy was probably fully loaded with all kinds of Bree made confections
Boromir had already travelled by himself from Minas tirith to Rivendell without knowing anything about the land beyond the gap of Rohan, he can survive in the wild
This. Up until canned food and refrigeration, people couldn't travel more than a few days without starving to death because all of their food would spoil.
Are you demented? Read a history book, cretin. Or even just fricking wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine
There's an entire paragraph on food preservation. And that's assuming Rivendell didn't have their own special magic elven preservation methods for food, like they had for everything else.
That's a pretty good deal for something that probably tastes like shit.
>one to five years
There's pemmican that was over a hundred years old that was still edible. The best way to use pemmican is to create an oily, meaty broth for soup. You can drink the broth as it is, or, preferably, mix in local wild edibles that you find on your travels to give it a little more substance. You're not supposed to just eat pemmican straight. It's not beef jerky.
fighting a frick huge army out of harad that sieged the lonely mountain
it's mentioned in the books that part of why sauron failed was he overextended trying to hit everyone at once and underestimated how hard they'd fight back, the whole point of aragorn pretending to have the ring was to get him to pull back from the north and refocus on gondor while also weakening the defense of mordor
unlike grrm writer tolkien actually served in a war and was somewhat familiar with military tactics
Because in the movie he is a moron who is huffing major copium. In the book he isn't so stupid, but he still wants to go because being underground is cozy and there is still a small chance there might be surviving Dwarves
Where were Gimli and his brethren when the Council at Rivendell was called? Wouldn't they have had to travel from East of the mountains and go through Moria or south passed Isengard also?
No council was called. Gimli and Gloin were there to get advice about sauron asking about bilbo and threatening war, Legolas was there to tell Elrond and Aragorn that Gollum had escaped, and Boromir was there because he and Farimir had a prophetic dream. It was fate that they all ended up there at the same time.
Going through the Gap of Rohan was safe for Gimli and co - Saruman hadn't fully declared himself fallen yet, Gimli didn't have the ring, etc.
In fact, the Fellowship try going south to the Gap even after Gandalf knew what Saruman was up to, hoping to sneak past. It's when the flock of crebain fly overhead that they realize sneaking would be impossible and the try to cross the mountains.
There are 5 ways to go.
1. Go south along the Lebenin coast. Deemed too long.
2. Go through the Gap of Rohan. Made impossible due to Saruman and his spies.
3. Caradhras, the mountain rejected them.
4. The northern pass, which Gimli took and which they intended to take in the Hobbit. Deemed too long a journey as well and risk of Goblins.
5. Moria.
Gandalf does figure it out eventually and laughs at himself when he realizes how stupid simple it was. He says he just knows too much, had translated it slightly more complex than it should have been and had assume it would be harder. Still, they're sitting around for a while thinking and eventually draw the attention of the watcher
Its emergency access from the very bottom of Khazad Dum right to the top.
Its very useful.
Gandalf chased the Balrog all the way up that stair, for days, until they reach Durin's Tower at the top of the mountain. There he smote his ruin upon the mountainside.
LOTR is bleaker than ASOIAF because most of the world worships Morgoth. The only reason Gondor didn't get overwhelmed by Sauron's allies was because the blue wizards went east and did something. Numenoreans got such a power-up in the lore because they were the few humans who actually fought Morgoth, and even they turned evil and did human sacrifice and shitm
It's funny, the Shire is like the only place that is happy and tranquil so it gives off the idea that everything is pleasant at the start of thee story. But the entire rest of Middle Earth is depressed, corrupt, falling apart, or straight up violent and deadly
i don't think anyone in the fellowship really knew that the moria expedition had failed with 100% certainty really, and surely anyone else would assume the fricking dwarf would know more about dwarven shit than they know, duh.
It's amazing that half of the Fellowship were just introduced halfway through the movie, and the Moria sequence lets us see them work together as a tean with everyone at their peak, and then we see them brought to their lowest with the death of Gandalf, and for it to feel like we've been adventuring with this crew for hours of screentime, when the whole sequence is like ten minutes.
Unironically this. Ham, cheese, jams, honey and unleavened bread all can last a really long time and are all available without any industrial methods required.
Why did he repeatedly call it "Moria" when that is a derogatory name the elves gave it meaning "black pit." He should have referred to it as "Khazad Dun."
The elves apparently called it Moria before the balrog turned it into a shithole. So they were just being catty about the fact that dwarves lived underground. I think the dwarves even put it on the door.
why would you have to speak elvish to enter a dwarven city?
It was a door made specifically for elves to come and go. The password was just a cheeky joke between longtime frenemies. It wasn't meant to block anyone out and they even left the door open when there was peace.
It's so unfair to everyone else that Tolkien treated dwarves so well particularly in the Hobbit and then onwards in LotR. Dwarves have been epic mountain kings and grim warriors ever since. Out of all the ways that fantasy as a whole just repeats tolkien, none of it is more obvious than with dwarves.
I was surprised by how much more interesting Feanor and the Noldor were than other elves when reading the Silmarillion. They were arrogant badasses which isn't typical for Tolkien, who usually paints in strokes of black and white.
b***h is you a hobbit?
Reminder that in the book when they attempt to take the Caradhras pass the mountain itself causes the snow storm tha forces them to turn around because the mountain is racist against Dwarves.
Wouldn't you be if dwarves ate your insides??
why do elves get to just hack nature like that? how is that balanced?
No
But don't worry, the future patches remove them entirely
I remember reading in the book that legolas was able to just skip across the snow because he was lightweight or something. You can see it in this scene too where everyone is trudging through the snow and he's just strolling along.
iirc each race had special attributes.
Elves are in tune with the earth and can do special things like creep silently and keep out of sight but are sensitive to specific types of harm. Big plot points is rape specifically.
Humans are easily corruptible but they have the strength to do things others cannot, i.e. push through the snow on the mountain.
Dwarves are hardest to corrupt but are craft work autists.
Forgot about hobbits but they're difficult to corrupt as well (see Bilbo and Frodo) and are able to hide too.
>Big plot points is rape specifically
Do tell me more about this
Elrond's wife got captured by orcs and stabbed with a poison blade. She was rescued but had to leave Middle-Earth to deal with the trauma. Rape is not mentioned but it does have undertones of her being violated and disgraced.
Elrond's wife got orc'd and had to leave Middle-Earth
normally elves who get orc'd are confirmed to wither and die
Eol kidnapping and raping one elf princess taking advantage of the fact that elves can only frick one person
Elves fricked things up so bad that Eru Iluvatar had to change the rules of Arda. But the elves still play by the old rules because they are the first race and just too cool.
Elves pay the toll by being eternal NPCs
god's chosen people
In the Hobbit don’t the mountains start throwing giant rocks at each other or something?
Giants in the mountains.
What did they eat? Even with modern canned food, it is very difficult to stock up on food for a days long hike.
magic bread
BRAVO tolkien
Don't forget magic liquor.
Dont ask questions. Just consoom product, goy.
Real answer? Foraging, fishing and hunting. Didn't get the Lembas bread until after Loth Lorien. Given everyone they have in their party, before it fell apart, I'm sure they ate just fine.
>Merry and Pippin have a knack for foraging
>Sam's a master gardener and supposedly one helluva cook
>Legolas has aimbot (killed a Nazgul felbeast at night near Argonath)
>Aragorn is a ranger with intimate knowledge of living off the fats of many different lands
>Gandalf probably helped fish and forage or use magic to shake eggs out of nests or something
>Boromir and Gimli were probably relegated to firewood duty since they don't really seem to bring much for survival skills to the group
They also had Bill the pony with them up until Moria. Homeboy was probably fully loaded with all kinds of Bree made confections
Boromir had already travelled by himself from Minas tirith to Rivendell without knowing anything about the land beyond the gap of Rohan, he can survive in the wild
Boromir was also gathering wet, mossy wood in Amon Hen. So I doubt his survival skills
This. Up until canned food and refrigeration, people couldn't travel more than a few days without starving to death because all of their food would spoil.
Pretty good bait, man.
I guess they could eat bate.
It don't think it would be pretty good tho.
Are you demented? Read a history book, cretin. Or even just fricking wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine
There's an entire paragraph on food preservation. And that's assuming Rivendell didn't have their own special magic elven preservation methods for food, like they had for everything else.
>calling him a cretin when you're the one falling for obvious bait
I think it's time for you to go to bed
Calling it bait doesn't solve the problem, he needs to be called out and shamed.
true
no one ever trekked more than 2 days from their home before 1840
Don't you see the pony saddled with non-perishable food?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_preservation
A lot of these methods pre-date the industrial revolution.
Pemmican
>lasts one to five years
That's a pretty good deal for something that probably tastes like shit.
Depends on what spices are used, but it's closest to corned beef.
>one to five years
There's pemmican that was over a hundred years old that was still edible. The best way to use pemmican is to create an oily, meaty broth for soup. You can drink the broth as it is, or, preferably, mix in local wild edibles that you find on your travels to give it a little more substance. You're not supposed to just eat pemmican straight. It's not beef jerky.
>the detail of Legolas being able to just stride atop the snow without any of the characters having to point it out
I miss when movies didn't pander to the sub 90iq portion of the audience.
Fricking elves I swear.
No, the characters speculate it might be Sauron but cant know for sure.
Well, in the book, its Gandalf who insists that they should go through Moria, while Aragorn calls him a moron for even suggesting that.
Long distant communication was limited to a single bit.
google was down
>IT'S SARUMAM!
>people don't send word to other cities for 60+ years
lord of the rings is kind of a post apocalypse. notice the ruins everywhere?
This is correct. LoTR is a post apocalyptic world where every race lives in their own enclave and distrusts everyone else.
what was beorn doing during the war of the ring?
Playing baulders gate 3
fighting a frick huge army out of harad that sieged the lonely mountain
it's mentioned in the books that part of why sauron failed was he overextended trying to hit everyone at once and underestimated how hard they'd fight back, the whole point of aragorn pretending to have the ring was to get him to pull back from the north and refocus on gondor while also weakening the defense of mordor
unlike grrm writer tolkien actually served in a war and was somewhat familiar with military tactics
Let us go through the Mines of Moria!
They were going to do a hidden camera prank to get his reaction to his family being killed but the balrog ruined it
Because in the movie he is a moron who is huffing major copium. In the book he isn't so stupid, but he still wants to go because being underground is cozy and there is still a small chance there might be surviving Dwarves
Where were Gimli and his brethren when the Council at Rivendell was called? Wouldn't they have had to travel from East of the mountains and go through Moria or south passed Isengard also?
idk what route they took. but now I'm curious, I'll probably flip through that chapter tomorrow to see.
Gimli and Gloin were travelling to Rivendell from erebor to get advice because they hadn't heard anything from Balins expedition into moria
No council was called. Gimli and Gloin were there to get advice about sauron asking about bilbo and threatening war, Legolas was there to tell Elrond and Aragorn that Gollum had escaped, and Boromir was there because he and Farimir had a prophetic dream. It was fate that they all ended up there at the same time.
Going through the Gap of Rohan was safe for Gimli and co - Saruman hadn't fully declared himself fallen yet, Gimli didn't have the ring, etc.
In fact, the Fellowship try going south to the Gap even after Gandalf knew what Saruman was up to, hoping to sneak past. It's when the flock of crebain fly overhead that they realize sneaking would be impossible and the try to cross the mountains.
They presumably took the same passage Bilbo and the dwarves meant to take in the Hobbit, on a similar latitude to Rivendel
Why didn't Elrond tell them the password to the Elven friend door?
He didn't know it because the doorcwas always open until everything went to shit
the password is printed on the door.
IRL captcha
They weren't supposed to go that way originally so he probably didn't think of it
there's literally only two ways to go, over the mountain or through there, kek. And they knew the mountain may cause them trouble
There are 5 ways to go.
1. Go south along the Lebenin coast. Deemed too long.
2. Go through the Gap of Rohan. Made impossible due to Saruman and his spies.
3. Caradhras, the mountain rejected them.
4. The northern pass, which Gimli took and which they intended to take in the Hobbit. Deemed too long a journey as well and risk of Goblins.
5. Moria.
why would you have to speak elvish to enter a dwarven city?
Read the books
It's there so non-dwarfs don't bump their heads on the way in
>speak friend and enter
Gandalf really couldn't figure this one out?
Gandalf does figure it out eventually and laughs at himself when he realizes how stupid simple it was. He says he just knows too much, had translated it slightly more complex than it should have been and had assume it would be harder. Still, they're sitting around for a while thinking and eventually draw the attention of the watcher
>He says he just knows too much
What a dumb excuse
Saruman was right about what weed did to his head
>Gandalf fell down sideways
Well okay then.
>the endless stair
that doesn't sound very useful
Its emergency access from the very bottom of Khazad Dum right to the top.
Its very useful.
Gandalf chased the Balrog all the way up that stair, for days, until they reach Durin's Tower at the top of the mountain. There he smote his ruin upon the mountainside.
LOTR is bleaker than ASOIAF because most of the world worships Morgoth. The only reason Gondor didn't get overwhelmed by Sauron's allies was because the blue wizards went east and did something. Numenoreans got such a power-up in the lore because they were the few humans who actually fought Morgoth, and even they turned evil and did human sacrifice and shitm
It's funny, the Shire is like the only place that is happy and tranquil so it gives off the idea that everything is pleasant at the start of thee story. But the entire rest of Middle Earth is depressed, corrupt, falling apart, or straight up violent and deadly
i don't think anyone in the fellowship really knew that the moria expedition had failed with 100% certainty really, and surely anyone else would assume the fricking dwarf would know more about dwarven shit than they know, duh.
Moria was the best part of LOTR
It's amazing that half of the Fellowship were just introduced halfway through the movie, and the Moria sequence lets us see them work together as a tean with everyone at their peak, and then we see them brought to their lowest with the death of Gandalf, and for it to feel like we've been adventuring with this crew for hours of screentime, when the whole sequence is like ten minutes.
It's equally amazing that The Hobbit was like 9 hours and I never felt like I got to know any of their crew besides Bilbo and Gandalf.
why didnt gandalf teleport frodo into the magma
it was a prank
he was a good friend
salted pork
Unironically this. Ham, cheese, jams, honey and unleavened bread all can last a really long time and are all available without any industrial methods required.
Why did he repeatedly call it "Moria" when that is a derogatory name the elves gave it meaning "black pit." He should have referred to it as "Khazad Dun."
The elves apparently called it Moria before the balrog turned it into a shithole. So they were just being catty about the fact that dwarves lived underground. I think the dwarves even put it on the door.
It was a door made specifically for elves to come and go. The password was just a cheeky joke between longtime frenemies. It wasn't meant to block anyone out and they even left the door open when there was peace.
The news was still underground at that point.
It's so unfair to everyone else that Tolkien treated dwarves so well particularly in the Hobbit and then onwards in LotR. Dwarves have been epic mountain kings and grim warriors ever since. Out of all the ways that fantasy as a whole just repeats tolkien, none of it is more obvious than with dwarves.
I was surprised by how much more interesting Feanor and the Noldor were than other elves when reading the Silmarillion. They were arrogant badasses which isn't typical for Tolkien, who usually paints in strokes of black and white.