Copenhagen Cowboy is considerably worse.
It has its moments and is worth a watch. But it's like Valhalla Rising mixed with Pusher, with a shitty non-ending.
At least TOTDY ends thematically.
Why didnt anyone tell me about this?
Best Ive seen since Twin Peaks S3
It falls apart at epuside 8 and the last 1 is literally "we ran out of money so the shows over." Episode 2 was peak kino though >mexico is the future
Copenhagen Cowboy is considerably worse.
It has its moments and is worth a watch. But it's like Valhalla Rising mixed with Pusher, with a shitty non-ending.
At least TOTDY ends thematically.
I felt the silent protagonist worked really well in CC. Her being some weird mystical witch thing fit the silent aura more than Miles Teller as a cop that takes 17 seconds to spit and nod.
>last 1 is literally "we ran out of money so the shows over."
Not what happend at all. Refn got free reign for TOTDY. I'm not exaggerating. Amazon paid to cancel the production of The Avenging Silence so Refn would shoot a contemporary crime show for Amazon where he had full creative control, got a practically infinite budget, and got to set the length every episode (because Refn complained that tv episodes always have to be the same length). There was barely a script when they started filming (Brubaker and the two female playwrights were invited qutie deep into shooting) and much of it was improvised. The final episode was a choice by Refn and Jenna, they wanted to do that, it had nothing to do with money.
Also, cancelling the Avenging Silence shoot lost many people a lot of time and money (even if Amazon compensated a good amount of it) and made Refn a lot of enemies. Not a smart move in the long run. t. worked on TOTDY
>t. worked on TOTDY
Could you tell us more? I'm really curious.
Also, what did you make of Refn's semi-recent interview where he said that The Avenging Silence isn't dead, but he's massively reworked it?
And have you heard anything about the rumours that he's filming a movie this autumn?
Oh, also, did you read the original script for the first episode of TOTDY?
Do you know when it was revised into what we actually got? Is Refn down to earth behind the scenes or a smug autist?
Not him, but I've heard that the answer is a resounding "yes". I heard they thought it was weird and not mainstream and had no idea how to market it (hence they didn't market it (I think they did some minor marketing in non-English-speaking European countries?)) and that Refn is basically a persona non grata to them now.
He filmmed until amazon told him to wrap it up. Stop lying
I didn't produce it, I only know who it was communicated. I do know that an absolutely obscene amount of money was involved, although I don't think Jang received much of that himself.
Oh, also, did you read the original script for the first episode of TOTDY?
Do you know when it was revised into what we actually got? Is Refn down to earth behind the scenes or a smug autist?
I don't think I've read that or what the version I read was exactly. A lot of it wasn't really written later on and basically simply pitched. I know there were a lot of pitches that did not match the end product at all. In fact, the way that Jang was describing the plot/premise up to just a few months before it came out had almost nothing to do with the end product. (I don't feel he captured that premise at all with what was shot anyway, it wasn't a radical editing decision.)
He's actually much more autistic IRL.
>t. worked on TOTDY
Could you tell us more? I'm really curious.
Also, what did you make of Refn's semi-recent interview where he said that The Avenging Silence isn't dead, but he's massively reworked it?
And have you heard anything about the rumours that he's filming a movie this autumn?
I missed that interview and don't know if he's filming anything soon. I haven't spoken to him since just before COVID, and I know he was still actively working on The Avenging Silence ust before COVID. He loves that project. He's open about not liking everything he has made and I don't know how TOTDY figures into that, but I know he regrets not doing The Avenging Silence.
Keep in mind that Jang is only halfway Hollywood: he works with stars, and he makes movies in America, but most of his financing comes from outside of American and his crews are largely from outside of the studio system. He also infamously isn't friends with anyone in Hollywood, I'm talking literally zero friends.
Interesting. Why did TOTDY cost so much?
It's a shame he's not friends with anyone but maybe a good thing since I'm sure the vast majority are typical soulless californians in their weird bubble. Isn't he friends with a lot of actors though? Like Christina Hendricks and Elle Fanning still like a lot of his instagram posts and Gosling did interview him for a screening of The Neon Demon. I got the impression that he introduced or helped Kojima with a lot of the actors he's worked with (like Mads ofc) and assumed that he probably linked him up with Del Toro as well.
Here's the interview about the current status of The Avenging Silence btw
https://theplaylist.net/nicolas-winding-refn-says-his-spy-script-with-famed-bond-writers-is-the-endeavor-of-his-soul-grand-finale-of-his-life-20230227/ >But during our conversation, I vaguely remembered something about working with Purvis and Wade, and Refn confirmed that a) he’s still working on the project, b) it’s seemingly taken on an entirely new life of its own, and c) he’s looking at it as his grand, final “endeavor of his soul” project.
And according to worldofreel, he's filming in September in Korea which is pretty exciting
>Why didnt anyone tell me about this?
You fricker.
I've mentioned it as pure unfiltered kinography in every single Refn thread I've seen. Not my fault you didn't pay attention
The show start great but I do not care much for the ending. It feels like it should have naturally ended when the detective was beheaded. I thought him being a pedophile would have been a lot more relevant as well, given he joined a group of pedophile hunters. Maybe I'm just a brainlet.
the car chase episode was some of the best tv in a while abd reminded me of prime refn, sadly like everything else post drive it suffers from his autistic self indulgence
it’s actually pretty terrible
this and true detective season 2 are what happens when you give writers/writer directors too much freedom. Amazon should have kept him on a tight enough leash to make a coherent show. refn also fails at being David lynch because there isn’t enough symbolic subtext to drive his slow meandering parts. it’s like he forgot how to do it after Drive
I was out when the latina started feminizing Jesus. I fricking loathed Yaritza. The scene of the hitmen each passing down the job for less and less money is one of my favourites in all of TV though.
At what age did you grow out of Refn? I started idolizing him around the Drive era but after Only God Forgives I think he ran out of creative juice. Or his schtick became too obvious. I can appreciate his autistic takes but he's not the creative powerhouse I thought he was.
You didn't "grow out of him". The opposite. You never grew up.
You liked Drive because it was a straightforward violent action thriller with a literally-me protagonist. You hate the rest of his films because they're considerably more nuanced and don't have constant action scenes.
You were filtered, congrats.
picrel is better
Haven't seen Copenhagen Cowboy yet, but this is the best Refn so far, especially that it's stretched into like 15 hours.
Copenhagen Cowboy is considerably worse.
It has its moments and is worth a watch. But it's like Valhalla Rising mixed with Pusher, with a shitty non-ending.
At least TOTDY ends thematically.
I thought CC was about as good as TOTDY but also didn’t like how it didn’t have an ending and I doubt it will get another season.
It falls apart at epuside 8 and the last 1 is literally "we ran out of money so the shows over." Episode 2 was peak kino though
>mexico is the future
I felt the silent protagonist worked really well in CC. Her being some weird mystical witch thing fit the silent aura more than Miles Teller as a cop that takes 17 seconds to spit and nod.
>last 1 is literally "we ran out of money so the shows over."
Not what happend at all. Refn got free reign for TOTDY. I'm not exaggerating. Amazon paid to cancel the production of The Avenging Silence so Refn would shoot a contemporary crime show for Amazon where he had full creative control, got a practically infinite budget, and got to set the length every episode (because Refn complained that tv episodes always have to be the same length). There was barely a script when they started filming (Brubaker and the two female playwrights were invited qutie deep into shooting) and much of it was improvised. The final episode was a choice by Refn and Jenna, they wanted to do that, it had nothing to do with money.
Also, cancelling the Avenging Silence shoot lost many people a lot of time and money (even if Amazon compensated a good amount of it) and made Refn a lot of enemies. Not a smart move in the long run.
t. worked on TOTDY
>t. worked on TOTDY
Could you tell us more? I'm really curious.
Also, what did you make of Refn's semi-recent interview where he said that The Avenging Silence isn't dead, but he's massively reworked it?
And have you heard anything about the rumours that he's filming a movie this autumn?
Oh, also, did you read the original script for the first episode of TOTDY?
Do you know when it was revised into what we actually got? Is Refn down to earth behind the scenes or a smug autist?
Was Amazon pissed with the final product? Because I remember when it came out it was buried as in you had to manually search it to find it.
Not him, but I've heard that the answer is a resounding "yes". I heard they thought it was weird and not mainstream and had no idea how to market it (hence they didn't market it (I think they did some minor marketing in non-English-speaking European countries?)) and that Refn is basically a persona non grata to them now.
I believe so but I know about as much as you do.
I didn't produce it, I only know who it was communicated. I do know that an absolutely obscene amount of money was involved, although I don't think Jang received much of that himself.
I don't think I've read that or what the version I read was exactly. A lot of it wasn't really written later on and basically simply pitched. I know there were a lot of pitches that did not match the end product at all. In fact, the way that Jang was describing the plot/premise up to just a few months before it came out had almost nothing to do with the end product. (I don't feel he captured that premise at all with what was shot anyway, it wasn't a radical editing decision.)
He's actually much more autistic IRL.
I missed that interview and don't know if he's filming anything soon. I haven't spoken to him since just before COVID, and I know he was still actively working on The Avenging Silence ust before COVID. He loves that project. He's open about not liking everything he has made and I don't know how TOTDY figures into that, but I know he regrets not doing The Avenging Silence.
Keep in mind that Jang is only halfway Hollywood: he works with stars, and he makes movies in America, but most of his financing comes from outside of American and his crews are largely from outside of the studio system. He also infamously isn't friends with anyone in Hollywood, I'm talking literally zero friends.
Interesting. Why did TOTDY cost so much?
It's a shame he's not friends with anyone but maybe a good thing since I'm sure the vast majority are typical soulless californians in their weird bubble. Isn't he friends with a lot of actors though? Like Christina Hendricks and Elle Fanning still like a lot of his instagram posts and Gosling did interview him for a screening of The Neon Demon. I got the impression that he introduced or helped Kojima with a lot of the actors he's worked with (like Mads ofc) and assumed that he probably linked him up with Del Toro as well.
Here's the interview about the current status of The Avenging Silence btw
https://theplaylist.net/nicolas-winding-refn-says-his-spy-script-with-famed-bond-writers-is-the-endeavor-of-his-soul-grand-finale-of-his-life-20230227/
>But during our conversation, I vaguely remembered something about working with Purvis and Wade, and Refn confirmed that a) he’s still working on the project, b) it’s seemingly taken on an entirely new life of its own, and c) he’s looking at it as his grand, final “endeavor of his soul” project.
And according to worldofreel, he's filming in September in Korea which is pretty exciting
He filmmed until amazon told him to wrap it up. Stop lying
>source: trust me bro
>nothing ever happens
Pure kino. The last episode is amazing. The speech he gives to his lazy and americanised Mexican subordinates is kino.
>refn slop
no thanks
its great but final episodes are kinda shitty
skipped half of the shit, kys
>Why didnt anyone tell me about this?
You fricker.
I've mentioned it as pure unfiltered kinography in every single Refn thread I've seen. Not my fault you didn't pay attention
The show start great but I do not care much for the ending. It feels like it should have naturally ended when the detective was beheaded. I thought him being a pedophile would have been a lot more relevant as well, given he joined a group of pedophile hunters. Maybe I'm just a brainlet.
the car chase episode was some of the best tv in a while abd reminded me of prime refn, sadly like everything else post drive it suffers from his autistic self indulgence
OHHH MANDY~!
>Porn director's face flashes across the screen like it's a memorial
>Miles nearly falling asleep at the wheel
>ELECTRIC PIECE OF SHIT
it’s actually pretty terrible
this and true detective season 2 are what happens when you give writers/writer directors too much freedom. Amazon should have kept him on a tight enough leash to make a coherent show. refn also fails at being David lynch because there isn’t enough symbolic subtext to drive his slow meandering parts. it’s like he forgot how to do it after Drive
Falls apart once Miles dies, and that smirking latina character was so fricking boring. Don't know why the show focused on her so much
It's nice. Not Refn's best stuff, but watchable for Nell Tiger and Baldwin being a freak.
The show actually and unironically sucks. Easily his worst work.
I was out when the latina started feminizing Jesus. I fricking loathed Yaritza. The scene of the hitmen each passing down the job for less and less money is one of my favourites in all of TV though.
At what age did you grow out of Refn? I started idolizing him around the Drive era but after Only God Forgives I think he ran out of creative juice. Or his schtick became too obvious. I can appreciate his autistic takes but he's not the creative powerhouse I thought he was.
You didn't "grow out of him". The opposite. You never grew up.
You liked Drive because it was a straightforward violent action thriller with a literally-me protagonist. You hate the rest of his films because they're considerably more nuanced and don't have constant action scenes.
You were filtered, congrats.
>tfw wanna make a Refn-inspired film but don't have funding