Why didn't Sauron station a few orcs to guard the door to Mount Doom, or maybe cover it with a rock or something? It's not like he had any reason to go back into the volcano chamber
Why didn't Sauron station a few orcs to guard the door to Mount Doom, or maybe cover it with a rock or something?
because he doesn't do any of that in the book. he's also not a huge eye that can function as a flashlight but there you go
then why not do it in the book?
It has been answered many times ITT
Same reason they didn’t just fly over Mt. Doom on an eagle and drop the ring into the lava from a safe altitude
The ring has a will of it's own, if you just "dropped it from a safe altitude" the wind would catch it or something and it would be closer to where it wanted to be. You had to physically get into the mountain and see it destroyed or something would intervene.
As for why there were no guards at the mountain, he knew of the Army of Man coming to Mordor, he sent his entire army to meet them. That was the point.
>Same reason they didn’t just fly over Mt. Doom on an eagle and drop the ring into the lava from a safe altitude
The ring would corrupt the Eagles. I thought this was pretty clear.
>Same reason they didn’t just fly over Mt. Doom on an eagle and drop the ring into the lava from a safe altitude
Did you forget that Sauron has an airforce?
The airforce that got its shit packed by the eagles?
>The airforce that got its shit packed by the eagles?
Eagles aren't stealth bombers. They can't sneak in. The moment they try to flew over Mordor, they would get attacked by the Airforce. Then the plan fails.
Anon did you miss what I just said?
There are Nine Ring Wraiths on the Fell Beasts.
There are hundreds of eagles.
At the end of Return of the King, the Ring Wraiths get shitfricked up the dickhole by the eagles.
Eagles aren’t mindless beasts and are born from Valar (essentially). The corruption is not out of their scope. Id argue that the eagles would be essentially unaffected by Sauron rule anyway. On top of that, sauron has no reason to even harm the eagles. Sauron is not at war with the Valar and he would never try to be. All he wants is middle earth and if his uncle sends some birds to check on him what does he care? The eagles doing anything ever is out of charity and they risk their lives simple to be nice
The only reason the Eagles helped Gandalf was because they owed him for saving their king
The eagles would have taken the ring.
Carrying someone who carries the ring doesn't let the ring corrupt you. It's how Sam took Frodo to the chamber, after all.
That was the power of friendship, nothing meta about it
Does Sam not explicitly say "I can't carry the Ring, but I can carry you!". Regardless of it being meta or not, we know this is how it works from early on. The ring didn't corrupt any horse Frodo rode, or the elves that carried his body to the healing rooms in Rivendell.
No fricking eagle was innocent enough to even compare to Samwise the Brave
He never expected anyone to try and destroy the ring, he assumed they’d use its power for themselves
How does that make any sense? Obviously he knew the fellowship were trying to destroy it.
>sauron has the hubris to believe that no one, especially hobbits, can resist the power the ring offers
wow what a plot hole
That's an extremely difficult level of hubris to believe. Not to mention the times it was proven to him that there were people in possession of the ring making their way toward Mt. Doom. And hubris or not just guard your shit. literally the singular thing that could destroy the ring and you're not going to safeguard it
No, it's not. Sauron is totally full of himself. He's cunning, but full of himself.
Darthie and Moff didnt know the Dork Star had a glaring one hit ko weakness. Thats the only thing Rogue One did right by explaining that something that moronic was engineered in as sabotage by its designer.
And Sauron has time to make sure the back gate is closed? I’m just saying it’s shitty writing on both counts, but that’s just how she do
>Thats the only thing Rogue One did right
Rogue One is the best of the Nu Wars, but that's not much of an achievement.
It wasn't moronic and the rebels literally failed except for miracles. None of the normal rebels could make the shot, and all of them died. The Imps couldn't know he had some sort of magic power to force the torpedo down a tube in a split second. And he missed too at first but was guided by a magical ghost and somehow protected by a gunship that wasn't attacked by other TIE fighters or the deathstar surface guns. By all accounts, the death star's exhaust was perfectly fine and not really a weakness at all
i think that's kind of the point of the story - a miracle (the force) happened
That means the exhaust port wasn't moronic and didn't need someone to design it as a weakness to explain it away
it could have easily been designed to prevent a torpedo from entering and traveling to the core.
I've thought that the torpedo taking a sharp 90 degree turn inwards to be odd let alone traversing the zig-zagging path shown in the plans without detonating.
But Frodo succumbs to the power and doesn't destroy it
IIRC the appendices state that Eru ends up intervening and pushing gollum into the volcano
No they don't.
No it doesn't. It litterally just talks about all of Sam's kids..
Tom is litterally eru
No he knew frodo had it at bree had it at the end of first movie. Had it at osilgath and had it litterally at shelobs lair.
Literally knew the hobbit had it.
He's not he litterally speaks and sees frodo at the end of the first book.
>Extended version?
There was orcs all over the Mt. They were dodging them at the end of the book
>literally
>literally
>literally
>literally
Stop talking like a woman.
he thinks aragorn took the ring from frodo, that's the point of the challenge with anduril via the palantir, to make him take the bait and distract him from frodo and sam
No, he thinks he took it from Pippin didn't he? Pippin looking in the palantir jebaits sauron into thinking the wrong hobbit has the ring, and they take him to Minas Tirith which also helps it look like they want to use the ring for power to win the war
Sauron doesn't magically know when someone puts the ring at any time. He knew when Frodo used it at Amon Hen and Mount Doom and that's it. The rest of the journey he could only guess from the info he was fed on. He knew a hobbit was carrying it and then thought it was passed to Aragorn.
The Osgiliath stuff is literally moronic and not in the book.
This. No one actually passes the temptation of the ring. It's destroyed because of frodo's compassion towards Gollum despite the ring's corrupting influence.
Sauron was 100% correct that no one could resist long enough to destroy it, and if anything trying to do so just brought the ring closer to his clutches. This also means that Boromir was 100% correct.
Bilbo gets past it just barely but it's the only time anyone ever willingly gives it up
this. Sauron was literally right, no mortal could willingly cast away the Ring. the temptation was too much.
It's not really at all. The ring corrupted literally everyone who ever wore it. Sauron had no reason to ever think anyone would ever be able to go destroy it, and he was right. Ultimately not even Frodo could destroy the ring.
It wasn't just hubris on Sauron's part, it was a built-in design of the ring that no one would ever possibly be able to destroy it because of its corrupting influence.
He had flying black Black folk flying around the mountain .. that’s better defense than some shitty orcs
That's not a plot hole it's a character trait.
The HUBRIS. Are you sure Sauron's first name isn't Dunnhier?
Isn't this covered in the story? Sauron covets power above all else so it never occurs to him that someone might want to instead destroy the ring. And up to that point the ring had a good track record of corrupting anyone who wore it.
The ring has a 100% track record of corruption. Frodo wasn't willing to destroy it in the end, Sam might have pulled it off but he never wore the ring just carried it.
You could argue Bilbo successfully resisted the corruption because he *did* willingly give it up but even then he was extremely reluctant and agitated and that was just giving it to a family member. I don't think he could have thrown it in the fire either if it came to it
No, he's ignorant of that until the very last possible minute when Frodo puts the ring on at the crater of Mount Doom. There's like two paragraphs in the book where he freaks the frick out and realizes how badly he's fricked up.
Spot on my man, that's my favourite chapter in the books, I love the way he describes Saurons and Frodos mental states.
in the movies we only know that he panicked but we never know if Sauron really knew their intention of destroying it
>And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
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Gandalf all but outright says "dear viewer, we're trying to convince Sauron that Aragorn has the Ring and that he's going to use it to wage war against Sauron in order to keep his attention fixed far from Frodo" while looking at the camera. And you still managed to not get the plot. Amazing.
Bruh the entire point of everyone riding the the Black Gate was to make Sauron think that Aragorn had the Ring and was using its power to come challenge him and this is explicitly discussed in the movie.
Yup. Everything Gandlaf and Aragorn did after the fellowship broke up was essentially a disinformation campaign.
Sauron and Saruman both knew a halfling named Baggins was carrying the ring but they couldn't know which hobbit was which so the logical assumption is that the one that looked into the palantir and then rode off to Minas Tirith with Gandalf is the one. Frodo ditching his escort and going on a solo sneaking mission into Mordor was improbable
I give Tolkien a lot of credit coming up with the idea that breaking the RPG party in order to have Frodo go off on a solo special ops mission with his partner would be narratively much more interesting and suspenseful than keeping the raiding party we'd come to know and love together up to that point. Lesser writers that followed pursued the trope of having a party of characters come together but then remain together for the rest of the story which narrows its scope by a gigantic amount. It also serves the perfect function of being something Sauron and no one else ever would have conceived of.
>Never break the party it lead to certain death
>what if the enemy never learns we did?
Brilliant really
He thinks either Aragorn or Gandalf have the ring, he doesn't know the Fellowship wants to destroy it. It's still dumb that he couldn't put a single guard in Mt. Doom.
>He thought Aragorn had it
>He thought it was impossible for anyone to resist the rings corruption and toss it into the fire
Frodo succumbed to the ring at the last moment, if Gollum hadn't chomped his fingers off and then gotten tripped by God Sauron would've been fine
Aka no need to put a guard there.
God himself said "we moving to the next arc" and pushed golum in
Bruh, the first movie starts out with the alliance getting the ring, killing Sauron and his army, walking riiiight up to the fires and not throwing it in. The very best, strongest, most fair, real human beans could not do it so he had good reason to believe that it was impossible to willingly throw the ring into the fire.
>Hmmmm these hobbits keep putting on the ring...
>Oh I know! That means Aragorn or Gandalf has the ring!
To Sauron, Aragorn is a hobbit.
Thats just dumb and has nothing to do with Sauronn leaving his personal forge unguarded so that any frick in Mordor can just waltz right in without so much as knocking.
Frodo failed to destroy the ring. In the movie it was destroyed by its own evil, in the book through divine intervention. Sauron was right in his asessment.
More specifically, Sauron believed that Aragorn had the ring. That was why Sauron emptied his forces out of Mordor to face Aragorn at the Black gate.
then why did his creepy emissary specifically mention how they iced frodo?
Sauron just thought the hobbits were spies. He actually gave himself away by saying he had killed their spies.
he was correct, at the end they didn't try to destroy it
Tolkien just kinda forgot about that plot hole
He didn’t know about the back entrance
Besides Tom Bombadil, there is no one in Middle Earth capable of willingly destroying the ring. It's even doubtful Tom could make the trip to Mt. Doom.
Tom probably could have made the trip if he had his own fellowship but he didn’t give a rats ass
Tom might not be able to leave his land, he might be the spirit of that land itself. it isn’t clear exactly what he is or if his power would wane outside his realm or off he simply can’t leave it at all or what.
Sam wears the ring a couple times in the books, he actually puts it in without thinking and although Sam is a very strong willed character it’s pretty clear the ring is tempting him hard in his POV chapters where he has it. The fact he slips it on without thinking why he did so shows both his innocence and how much the ring pulls at one’s mind like an unconscious desire.
Didn't he put it on the escape the two Orc captains?
why were there Orc captains in Mordor? There's no boats there.
Tom is a simple lad. He's got his hot wife, plenty of food and songs. None of this ring shit concerns him.
Tom didn't want the hobbits fricking his wife.
>Eagles fly in grandma who hops off and then starts raping gollum faster than eminem
Boromir was right. Frodo would have brought the ring to Sauron.
1: Its an active volcano. I'm not sure even an orc could survive there long term.
2: He's arrogant.
Why didn't the council just throw the ring into an ocean? They could have won the war even without destroying the ring if the elves fought too instead of hanging around in Rivendell eating pineapples or whatever it is they do. Dwarven kingdom of Moria was destroyed, but at least there were some dwarves about so they too should have fought in the war too
Elves were fricking off back across the ocean.
>not our fricking problem
They were about to lose had the ring not been destroyed right then
Considering Sauron came from across the ocean it was very much a problem created by them. No sense the start a massive campaign to get rid of the big bad but then leave his top guy to frick everything into the dirt anyway
Elves didn't create Sauron though
They still fought against Morgoth. It's like getting rid of Hitler, Oskar Dirlewanger takes his place and the allies say "not our problem"
Sauron was both way too high ranking and way too much of a shitty stupid jobber in the first age to be Dirlewanger, he was clearly the Himmler of Morgoth's operation. Glaurung was clearly Morgoth's Dirlewanger
>makes siblings frick as a cruel joke
Granted, but the point being they should have also removed his lieutenants root and stem when they had the chance instead of letting the situation metastasize into a much worse conflict down the road
This post makes sense, but the good guys if would still have had a much better chance at winning the war on their own merits if the elves and dwarves entered into the fray as well (only one dwarf fought in the war and there were a handful of elves at the Helm's Deep). Even the hobbits could have been utilized as some kind of irregular militia patrolling the lands, taking on any small number of orcs they might encounter, but they too spent the entirety of the war not doing any fighting and smoking pipe weed
>only one dwarf fought in the war
The dwarves of The Lonely Mountain helped tie down an army of tens of thousands of orcs.
It's the Age of Men. The Dwarves and the Elves are like frick this.
Hobbits have it real good because Gandalf is like the police of the Shire, if any low-grade evil enters he will be on that shit like it's a domestic disturbance.
>the good guys if would still have had a much better chance at winning the war on their own merits if the elves and dwarves entered into the fray as well
That's a good point for the film version of events, except I think you're overlooking the issue of the people in the story not being perfectly rational or moral.
Theoden, Denethor, Boromir, plenty of humans are depicted not really wanting to cooperate with others due to pride, fear, distrust etc. Many characters literally don't believe Gandalf when he says they need to join together to fight. So convincing the dwarves to join in war would be as difficult, and woodland elves would also need convincing.
In the books, the dwarves ARE at war against eastern men invading in the far north.
And the number of elves in the entirety of middle earth is slim, possibly only several thousand including women, so they can't realistically contribute much. The movie kind of undermines this idea by having a few hundred elf warriors turn up out of nowhere.
Hobbits have the issue of everyone but Gandalf thinking they're useless. Even the hobbits think they're useless. It's the events of the story that prove they're useful after all.
Thats actually fair
No, it's like with the war between Ukraine and Russia. NATO will provide some assistance to Ukraine, but won't join the conflict themselves.
What part of "not my problem" didn't you understand, humie scum?
They actually discuss this in the books and decide that at best it's sort of kicking the can down the road without solving the problem and at worst it might be indirectly surrendering the ring to Sauron because who knows what the frick kind of weird creatures he has at his disposal. For all they knew he had some thing like the watcher in the water that could retrieve it for him. Or it could just find its way onto shore by its own devices. It was dumped in a river once before and apparently lost but was found again.
Also keep in mind getting rid of the ring only keeps Sauron from using it against them, it still doesn't help them actually win the war. If the ring wasn't destroyed Sauron just keeps hammering Gondor instead and everyone dies. Destroying the ring was their only real way to defeat Sauron, everything else they did was just trying to survive long enough for that to happen.
The ring got lost precisely when it needed to get lost. It chilled for milennia.
Then when it knew Sauron's strength would be growing, it got found.
yeah that was one of the reasons they couldn't just chuck it in a deep hole somewhere and assume it would be lost for eternity. It wasn't really an inanimate object. It seemed to have some influence over its surroundings, throwing it away would kind of be like turning it loose.
And as Gandalf pointed out, the thing's fricking immortal. It could lurk for thousands more years but it was never just going away and staying there
Sauron hacked creation itself. Magic was waning in every aspect of Middle Earths very fabric. So he tied all his power into a physical indestructible object. Meaning that if he had regained it he would have been a maiar at the height of his power in a world where magic was basically gone and no force could oppose him. So even without it he was still immortal and could always return
>Destroying the ring was their only real way to defeat Sauron, everything else they did was just trying to survive long enough for that to happen.
That's because they were moronic and let mordor build up strength for thousands of years again after they defeated him. Shit even after they drove him out of mirkwood they could have done something and had the council drag his ass back to Valinor or something.
wrong, read the books again
wrong, read the books again
wrong, read the books again
>Why didn't...
Everyone would need to get through their hobbitton birthday parties in the shire (since it's so irresistable) to get to the sea with the ring so they would lose it on the way.
Sauron actually invaded the Dwarven kingdoms at the same time as the war of the ring was taking place with another army.
>Why didn't the council just throw the ring into an ocean?
Hilariously, this is literally brought up in the book because Tolkien himself was an autist who considered these things.
Bottom line is the Ring has a will of its own and some bottomfeeder fish would swallow it up and then wind up in a fishing net, be brought up, and then the Ring is back on land again.
Fellowship's council of Elrond is everyone coming together and saying, "We've never had and may never have a collection of people as fit for this task as right now, nor better circumstances."
People who haven't read the book don't even realize how vastly different the council scene is. They actually discuss the matter in a thorough and logical way. The movie couldn't afford a 20 minute exposition dump so they fast-forwarded through a lot of it.
If someone cares about the narrative enough to keep asking autistic questions about minor plot points but haven't bothered to actually read the books I don't know what to tell you at this point.
This is Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile. Excuse me for not having read the fricking book which is like a million pages long, "minor plot points" like these should have been in the movie as well so I wouldn't have to be here asking "autistic questions". They didn't even mention dwarves fighting Sauron on their own front in the movies
Have you ever been to Cinemaphile? Not a great place.
The point stands, if you want to nitpick something, but don't want to look at the source material that didn't have time or structure decisions to make and could afford to go over every detail, that's your problem. The movie's problem is distilling all of that into a still coherent and compelling narrative, not answering every single question (read: not making asides about other war fronts that aren't DIRECTLY tied to the main plot and the ring).
It would have only taken a few seconds for Gimli to to mention it in passing but here we are. At least I learned something new about the LOTR world so thanks
It was only going to get harder to kill Sauron anyway. Magic was leaving MIddle Earth, but the ring was something that kept magic flowing and anchored to the land. It would have eventually meant that the people in the future would be up against a magical being in a world without magic.
>Why didn't the council just throw the ring into an ocean?
They actually discuss this in the book, Tolkien gets little Lovecraftian there and speaks of ancient beings before the time of Man that could find the ring and bring it to Sauron
You dont actually kill it
Time is the thing Sauron has the most.
Also the ring could influence stuff around it. Making a fish or something like that pick it up or getting eaten by something and getting caught isnt impossible
Does the ring turn anyone invisible or just hobbits? Does it give a different power to other races?
We will never know. Best guess is that the turning invisible power is a leftover from The Hobbit when it was just some magic ring.
I’ve heard theories it enhances one’s powers so hobbits turn invisible because they are stealthy to begin with but that is very much so just a fan theory. Isildur curses the dead men to bind them to their oath and that’s probably something he did using the ring as I don’t think he had the ability to keep mortal men in a ghost like state but the ring certainly does. Sam uses the ring to seem intimidating to orcs and says it made him feel like a huge shadow of himself and imagines rallying every army of the world to his call and destroying Sauron and turning mordor to a garden. Gollum and Bilbo get unnaturally long life and potentially are immortal with their souls bound to the rings existence. Beyond that we don’t really know what it can do specifically but likely a lot in the right hands, it’s a huge amount of Sauron’s power in an object so that power can likely be wielded in many ways. I personally do not think it turns just hobbits invisible as it also allows one to see the true form of the Nazgûl so most likely it literally transports you to their realm, the shadowy world where evil spirits dwell or something. If I had to list it’s knob powers I’d say it brings you to the realm of spirits while being invisible to the realm of the living, you can bind others to your will through intimidation and power, unnatural long life. It’s abilities are those of power and immortality, basically the essence of what Sauron is but in a wield-able object, though I personally believe it could do many other things we never see if it were in the hands of someone who would know how to truly use its abilities and magic like Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel etc…
They turn invisible to people when theyre running away from them but ghosts from ancient history find them instantly
Yeah that’s why I suggested it doesn’t really turn one invisible but rather brings you to the realm of spirits or beyond the veil of what mortals can see or whatever.
>all this theory crafting over a fictional book
i cringe whenever i see shit like this, THE RING CAN DO WHATEVER THE WRITER WANTS IT TO DO YOU FRICKING moron, ITS NOT REAL
It makes you stronger within the scope of the user. If a maiar uses it, you get Sauron. If a valar uses it, who knows. If men use it, its very lack luster, if elves used it, I imagine it would rival the maiar
IIRC it turns everyone into some kind of Wraith creature similar to Nazgul
Sauron's only real concern about the ring was it being used against him by someone like Gandalf or Galdariel, who would be powerful enough to destroy him with it even if they were corrupted by it in the process. As Gandalf said, the idea of them trying to destroy the ring was something he never even really considered and honestly, why would he? To destroy the ring you have to be willing to even do it to begin with and as we see everyone who actually has to make the choice can't do it. Gandalf and Galadriel won't even touch the thing because they're afraid once they take they'll never be able to relinquish it. The ring is temptation personified. You don't throw it away. Even in the end it was destroyed by accident, no one willingly threw it into the fire. So the odds of that being anyone's intent were almost nil
And even if you're actually were willing to do it you have to get into Mordor to begin with, and then somehow cross the plains of Gorgoroth and climb a mountain without being noticed and good fricking luck with that. Consider how absurdly lucky (or perhaps blessed) Frodo's path to the mountain was
>happened to come across the one person who could take them through the marshes (the one area bordering Mordor even the orcs didn't frick with) and then lead them to the secret stair
>happened to have the star of Earendil with him which is the only reason him and Sam didn't get easily taken out by shelob in the tunnel
>would still have got eaten anyway if Sam hadn't gone super Saiyan
>would never have got out of the guard tower if he didn't have the mythril shirt for the orcs to start fighting over
>would have had to pass through thousands of orcs randomly patrolling plus dealing with the all-seeing eye and the aerial surveillance of the nazgul if Aragorn hadn't led the assault on the back gate to draw all the attention in that direction
I mean, that's implausible as frick. Not accounting for that possibility isn't bad planning.
>a rock or something
Blessed to know that whoever made my MRE is as dumb as me
the ring itself curses Gollum and ensures its destruction
there are several layers of hubris going on
He did. The gates and entirety of Mordor are filled with orcs.
But they don't have a problem with hobbits replacing orcs while they mobilize :3
Why didn't Sauron have a body of his own instead of a giant floating flaming eyeball? Because Mordor was all smoke and mirrors.
He does have a body, in the books Gollum has actually seen Sauron and was brought before him when he was captured and describes him having only 9fingers from when the ring was cut off.
That wasn't The Fellowship Of The Ring where Sauron has no hand.
It might be in lost tales or something but Gollum definitely describes Sauron as having a black 4 fingered hand at some point so Sauron does have a humanoid form during the lord of the rings.
Maybe the secret radio confused them into thinking the cooled off Balrog was Sauron but it was a trick on accident.
In the book Isildur and Elrond tag team Sauron and defeat him while he's still wearing the ring and then Isildur chops it off, him taking multiple fingers off with a lucky swipe is just a contrivance for the movie, probably to save time.
And Gollum definitely mentions Sauron having 9 fingers in the book, pretty Sure it's in the Two Towers.
That was thousands of years before
Yeah, Sauron gets his ring finger chopped off and then thousands of years later talks to Gollum, who sees that he still is missing the finger and at some point mentions it to Frodo. Why do we need multiple posts about this? It's a straightforward plot point.
The best part is when Human Men married the Elf Women.
Same reason why the fellowship didn't just ride the eagles to mt. Doom. STFU!
>these movies have not to this day been outdone and likely never will be
Honestly these movies were made at the perfect time. CGI was far enough along that the effects could be what they needed to be but it wasn't such a crutch that they had the "do it all in post" mentality that they have now. They put a level of effort into pre-production that is probably unequaled. And they didn't have to do the diversity quota bullshit
Never ever
It's impossible for a mortal to destroy the ring.
The only reason it worked was because of literal divine intervention.
J.R.R. Tolkien stated in a letter that Eru again intervened at the end of the Third Age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount Doom while holding the One Ring, thus destroying it.
>party is giving their best but the dice is fricking shit
>Gm relents
Lmao
Because Sauron's issue is pride and so he can't conceive of anyone humble enough to surrender the ring until its about 5 seconds from happening.
And Tolkien brings up having the door still there.
>"And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dur was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgul, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
Sauron literally left the door there for thousands of years after he was done with the forging of the ring. He never conceived of this coming back to bite him in his ass until the moment Frodo puts the ring on.
Why didn't Sauron get rid of the door after Isildur almost threw The Ring in the lava but decided to keep it instead? Or was that part only in the movies?
Cause he was dead and by the time he came back hundreds of sears passed so he probably just didnt think about it anymore.
He probaly considered the ring lost anyway.
Cause he saw how pathetic two of the greatest blood lines really were. Elrond couldnt force its destruction and neither could a 100% pure blood divine right to rule Numenorian. Its more like a welcome wagon, come on in, come destroy my ring, you won you did it, hehehe
You lads forget it was Eru who destroyed the ring. Divine intervention. As much as you onions marvel lads hate it, thats what it was
>Elrond couldnt force its destruction and neither could a 100% pure blood divine right to rule Numenorian.
Elrond could have just stabbed Isildur in the back or something and then used his sword to punt the ring into the larva.
He would have been enslaved right away. Violence for possession of the ring means youll be its b***h forever, it will devolve into coveting instantly
First of all holy mother of digits
Secondly ive never read the english verson of it and holy shit Sauron deserves this more than i remembered
Not only that, he had orcs maintain the path when it becomes blocked. (Literally on the page before)
Tolkein is a hack.
He thought the Hobbits were just spies and that Aragon was going to try and use the ring in the battle of the gate.
Since we're talking about LOTR, did the ring *have* to be destroyed in mount doom? No other volcano would have worked? Ignoring the ring-has-a-will-of-its-own thing for this question.
Your small fire, of course, would not melt even ordinary gold. This
Ring has already passed through it unscathed, and even unheated. But
there is no smith’s forge in this Shire that could change it at all. Not
even the anvils and furnaces of the Dwarves could do that. It has
been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of
Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the
old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even
Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the
Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.
‘There is only one way: to find the Cracks of Doom in the depths
of Orodruin, the Fire-mountain, and cast the Ring in there, if you
really wish to destroy it, to put it beyond the grasp of the Enemy for
ever.’
Even if Alcalagon was alive, Mount Doom was a much safer choise.
How the frick do you convice him to do anything?
>Oh, mister Black would you be so kind as too... *Eradicates your continent*
Frick that actually how do you make a mountain notice you
lotr is such a dogshit boring story holy frick
inceldom: the fandom
Because a giant army was at the front door and all the orcs marched to meet it
Did you even watch the fricking movie
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Here is my question.
When the ring wraiths are searching.
Aren't they also a risk to Sauron that one of them could put on the ring.
No, they are bound to Sauron's will and the ring is Sauron.
No will of their own
For an all seeing eye than can sense the ring Sauron is pretty fricking blind when he can't detect the ring when he's LITERALLY LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NEXT TO HIS TOWER
>Sauron: Hehe orc fall down
Could Frodo have used the ring to control the Nazgul?
Yes but he would need to be stronger than Sauron.
Aka kinda of a tough call
Cause it worked, they delivered the ring to him. If you got to the mountain congrats, he just conned you. No one can destroy the ring willingly. Sauron was really playing mad 3D chess
He probably did but they're fricking orcs.
>It's not like he had any reason to go back into the volcano chamber
its implied in the text that he travels to the volcano chamber (sammath naur) sometimes
Holy frick, what a bunch of brainlets here.
if you had to be an extra-tier soldier just living in this fricked up world, which faction/nation would you pick? you've got about a 50/50 chance of surviving every battle they put you through
Easily Lothlorian or Rivendale. Pick an elvish race and your chances of dying is like 1/50. Both are safe guarded by demi god tier people
It's called 'hubris'. Look it up.
>nobody can consciously destroy the ring!
>Gimli casually smashes it with his axe to show how goofy and random he is
Well done Hackson
Gimli wasnt under its influence and their not at its place of its conception. Yes those things matter noob
Dwarf autism outweighs Sauron autism.
It wasn't autism, but dwarven stubbornness. The rings that Sauron gave to the dwarvens failed to enslave them because they were too stubborn to listen to their whispers. They still were brought down because the rings amplified their greed and made them hoard gold to the point dragons would be drawn to their mines.
They are stubborn because they were made as soulless automatons.
A souless automaton wouldn't be as self serving and emotional as a dwarf. Automaton implies following orders by design. Dwarves seldom take orders from anyone.
They were originally automatons created by Aule and given souls because they weren't made in mockery.
>it was dwarven autism
>it was AMPLIFIED dwarven autism
He didn't believe it was possible for anyone to overcome the power of the ring to cast it into mount doom.
Technically he was correct.(Gollum fell in by accident after Frodo failed and decided to keep it)
Why didnt the fellowship just use iron chariots to stop Sauron?
Hubris. That's the whole point of the story Black person. Sauron couldn't conceive any threat to his power and thought his victory was assured.
Why did nobody suspect Sauronman was evil?
They did in a way. He took lordship in orthac which is bizarre for the wizards. They shouldnt have titles or land. Sauroman became a lord nearby Rohan, the tower belonged to Rohan before it was captured by that faction rohan is always fighting with.
>Ah Sauronman, you just took a tower the people we don't like held for the longest time. What fortunate turn of events! Will you give it back to us? No? Ok but be careful, there are a lot of orcs around.
>What is that? You recommend an advisor named Traitor McLieface? Well, we will gladly accept him into our ranks!
What did Theoden mean by this?
Autism and support for the otherwordly. Take a lesson in this. Always be suspicious, even if god himself presented himself to you
Gandalf actually suspected for a while in the books.
Regulations concerning magic forges require an open exit door at all times.
>b-but Frodo and Sam enter through that door
They ignored the "No entry" sign further down. They are the villains in the story.
Post the Sauron wojak about the parking lots
Don't have it
He did. There was a team of orcs that had to constantly clear debris and rock from the path.
>be Sauron
>millions of years old
>in Middle Earth since its creation
>have your own empire, armies and spies
>doesnt know what a Hobbit is and where the shire lies
Sauron wasn't in middle earth since it's creation, his boss morgoth was though. He also does know where the shire is because one of his black riders shows up there.
The Nazgul were searching for it for years
Is Lord of the Ring a prequel to Jesus?
Bookgay here. There were multiple entrances to Mt Doom. Frodo and Sam got sidetracked causing them to stumble across one of the old ways that happened to be unguarded, because of the orcs deploying to the west. There were other entrances.
First, you tell Frodo to swallow the ring to keep it secret and safe, and that the plan is to get him to Mount Doom and shit it out into the lava. He is not to tell anyone about its existence.
Then, you get 15 or 20 other hobbits together and tell them that they are Frodo’s honor guard and that they are taking him on an important secret mission and are to shoot arrows at any bad guys that get too close. Then you tell the Eagles that all of the Hobbits are actually evil goblin shapeshifters, and they are not to be spoken or listened to under any circumstances, but only dropped into the lava at Mount Doom.
Then everyone takes off and a cloud of eagles stoop on Mt. Doom from all directions, with Frodo in the middle. You also have decoy eagles fly north and south of Mt. Doom.
So the eagle flies to the big cave, and Frodo starts unbuckling his pants to shit the ring out, but then the Eagle just drops him in the lava. Fricking sorted one afternoon.
How do you convince the eagles to do this? They are unaffected by any of these events. Manwe doesnt want to interfere so its surprising they even assist gandalf. Must he a strong friendship
Saving their king from a poisoned arrow helps really
The ring would give Frodo diarrhea long before they reached Mordor
>spends 2 days mukbanging hyperdense elf bread
>"Elrond, it's time"
>puts on the ring and lets the hose of diarrhea catapult him into the mountain
problems's?
he probably did but they were condensed out of the script because they've already shown frodo and sam being able to kill orcs, they don't need to show it again when it doesn't serve the scene which is ultimately about frodo and sam sticking it out thru the journey through thick and thin and the climb is just a narrative summarization of their entire journey, frodo was always the weak b***h that required constant emotional support from sam... in the scene the support extends to physical support as well
>Oh, mister Black would you be so kind as too... *Eradicates your continent*
If Sauron's forces had gotten the ring, would they have just catapulted it into the flaming eye to give it to him?
He had a corpoal from and hung out in the tower. He just never left the room cause was shitposting on the palantir
Ring Wraith on a Nazgul would have flow it to him.
Because literally everyone that went there to destroy the one ring failed, you mong. Isildur couldn't do it, Frodo couldn't do it. Gollum didn't mean to, he just fell while fighting over it.
After a nine hour movie adventure with lots of struggles it's kind of nice with a quick simple ending without more drama and action.