Why didn't they just throw the Ring into any other pool of lava?
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Why didn't they just throw the Ring into any other pool of lava?
Why didn't they just throw the Ring into any other pool of lava?
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Because there needed to be a story.
Not an argument
Why not?
this isnt minecraft bub, lava doesnt just spawn anywhere.
Mordor's lava runs hotter
They ripped this scene off from terminator 2
>Gollum gives a thumbs up sign at the end
I walked out of the theater
I walked out of the theater after that scene in terminator 2 as well
The lava store was out
>Bilbo puts the ring on to dodge the pesky Sackville-Baggins
>looks to the south
>a giant fiery eye is staring at him and whispering in the Black Speech
>this is probably fine
>continues to use the ring and never tells anyone
In the books wearing the ring doesn’t instantly tell Sauron where you are: Sam uses it to get through Cirith Ungol for example. The only time it reveals Frodo is when he is on the seat of seeing in Amon Hen, the magic he is using draws Sauron’s attention
Id be the best ring guy. I don't care about much. I just want to jack off eat and sleep. I live in filth and piss in bottles. Give me some weed energy drink and legal porno I'm happy. That ring couldn't even make me piss in a toilet. I care that little.
The ring has a will of its own and you don't. You'd put it on and continue your trash bag lifestyle, but then the ring would make you want things and/or get you to finally gack yourself so it would fall into the hands of a better mark.
you'd be the worst ringbearer because you've already succumbed to darkness you worthless, parasitic coomer NEET homosexual
This.
PJ went with making the ring pure evil to raise the stakes and keep the specter of Sauron present in the film. I think this is Villain 101; you only show glimpses of the big bad during a story until the very end, so they "menace" the characters and create a sense of urgency and imminent threat.
Dune miniseries with a fraction of the budget did the same thing; reveal Baron Harkonnen early (even though it doesn't happen in the books) so he haunts the series as a threat. Even Joss Whedon understands this concept, which is why Serenity despite being a rather mediocre film was captivating and interesting. The Operative shows up in the beginning and doesn't appear again until halfway through the film and threatening the most physically vulnerable character no less.
If the fire-eye sequences weren't present, it would make Frodo look like a little b***h.
>IN DA BOOKS
nobody reads that shit
>Bilbo puts the ring on and jerks off while staring at the big eye
>”yea, you want this, you big red bodyless homosexual? Ooo your willingness to dominate all life feels so good sliding up and down my hobbit wiener.”
>busts, laughs at Sauron
A bit awkward seeing this in the theatre but it did give Bilbo a lot of character development
>A bit awkward seeing this in the theatre
That scene was only in the Blu-ray Director's Cut release.
Only had location-specific licence for lava use.
Why didn't Gandalf the Fool just melt some rock together then throw the damn thing in it?
It was quite cool.
>Throw ring in Lava that doesn't destroy it because of magic bullshit
>Series of strange events happen and the ring is back on someone's hand within the decade
Magic bullshit doesn't care about your smug moronation.
>magic
aka Eru's trolling making everyone suffer for his entertainment
This, pretty much. Magic lava making magic rings is the only lava that can destroy the magic rings.
and again it's very convenient storytelling. it's a paperthin excuse for requiring the hobbits to enter mordor
>because of magic bullshit
It might well be an alloy that only melts in the particular conditions of Mt. Doom.
frick you're right. can't believe it never occured to me for these last 30 years.
It wouldn't have destroyed the Ring. The Ring could only be destroyed at the Crack of Doom. This is also why the Eagles couldn't have just dumped it into the top of Mt. Doom.
>just dumped it into the top of Mt. Doom
I often wonder if this is what eagle bros believe: that they'd be able to just drop it while flying over.
There's literally no one guarding the door into the volcano. They could just land, let the hobbit run in there to toss it in and then just fly off again.
No one would even notice.
Why do you think Sauron would just sit there and let it happen without any opposition?
because from what you Tolkien gays keep saying is that "No one would ever be able to have the will to destroy the ring so sauron basically ignores it"
Yeah but if he sees the ring going to Mt Doom he is still going to take it. He still wants it.
>but he doesn't know they have the ring
Okay, he's still gonna want to kill/capture them.
Stop assuming Sauron is just going to sit there and do nothing.
>is just going to sit there and do nothing.
which is exactly what he fricking does for thousands of years and in the movies. He doesn't put a guard by the entrance or even bother to put up a fricking door.
He doesn't know where the ring is and doesn't suspect anyone would ever destroy it. The eagles could have came in at night unnoticed (because again, there are no guards and no one was fricking bothering to look for any tom foolery) and got the job done in a fricking day.
Even ignoring the eagles completely, Sauron is fricking moronic for not looking at his one weakness. Man was inside the volcano with the ring in hand before, fricking put up a door to your one entrance where your magic life force can be destroyed. But no, everyone will tell you that no one could possible resist the ring and destroy it so Sauron had no cares in the world about it so why would he bother ever defending himself or looking for possible intruders?
>But no, everyone will tell you that no one could possible resist the ring and destroy it
And it's true, isn't it? Gollum was the black swan event.
>and got the job done in a fricking day
but, as you said, no one can destroy the Ring.
so the eagles drop off the hobbit, then what? Frodo will claim it.
Also I'm pretty sure Sauron and the nazgul can see in the dark.
you could argue that if the eagles got there quickly the ring would have had less time to corrupt frodo.
"The ring could never be destroyed!" Is just a dumb cover all excuse tolkien gays use and it's not even true.
>Also I'm pretty sure Sauron and the nazgul can see in the dark.
Why would they be looking? They would never expect it. Even aragorn's decoy, Sauron never once thought "maybe this is a ruse. Why would they amass at my gates being completely outnumbered" Sauron never plans shit out ever and loses literally every battle that takes place and he still doesn't question any of his decisions. He's the dumbest villian to ever exist.
>They would never expect it.
Why do you think that? Sauron has spies everywhere (birds, beasts)
They'd know the Eagles are coming before they hit the Anduin. Do you think that Sauron doesn't know about the Eagles or something?
> "maybe this is a ruse. Why would they amass at my gates being completely outnumbered"
He thinks Aragorn has the Ring. All info from his POV suggests that, moreso since they just captured a Hobbit who didn't have the Ring
>loses literally every battle
You only know this because you watched/read the entire story. Our characters don't have access to this information, and they correctly assume Sauron is a dangerous foe and that they need to give 110% to win.
>Do you think that Sauron doesn't know about the Eagles or something?
He didn't know about the fellowship
>He thinks Aragorn has the Ring. All info from his POV suggests that
and his plan was to directly walk it into mordor with a force incapable of doing so? That doesn't scream RUSE to you?
>correctly assume Sauron is a dangerous foe
But he's not. He loses every battle. He lost the ring to man thousands of years to go in the first place. His forces have been stuck behind wars for thousands of years. He does absolutely nothing to actually be a real threat. He get's his shit pushed in at every opportunity.
>fellowship
fellowship=smol, stealthy
eagles=big, out in the open sky
>RUSE
Well to me it's obvious, but Aragorn is a smart cookie and knows how to play Sauron. From Sauron POV the Ring is telling Aragorn, "you can do it!"
>He loses every battle
Yeah because our heroes don't do stupid shit. If Gandalf was like,
"We don't need to be stealthy, Sauron will never spot us!"
"I think Helm's Deep is a great idea so I won't bother finding more forces to help us"
"Nice job Denethor, keep it up!"
Sauron would've won real quick.
>loses literally every battle
Oh geez, Sauron loses every battle? Then why do our main characters even bother fighting? Sauron loses every battle so it doesn't matter!
See how fricking moronic you sound?
When did I ever say to not fight him you fricking dense moron. You wouldn't let North Korea walk freely into california but no one seriously considers them an actual threat to the US. They are generally seen as evil but incompetent, just like Sauron.
okay but part of the reason Sauron loses is because our heroes don't do stupid shit, like taking the eagles to mordor.
Frodo by this point had the ring for 17yrs until his journey to Rivendell. It may be slow to corrupt hobbits but it's extremely unlikely he'd be able to give it away at that point.
>which is exactly what he fricking does for thousands of years and in the movies.
He got fricked up by Isildur and had to regenerate, he only finished reforming around the time of The Hobbit and then went straight to fricking things up.
>He doesn't put a guard by the entrance or even bother to put up a fricking door.
He moved all his troops west because he thought Aragorn had the ring.
>He moved all his troops west because he thought Aragorn had the ring.
what's more, his forces just captured Frodo, and if Frodo had the ring then the orcs would've found it and probably put it on. So from Sauron's pov it's 100% reasonable to assume the Ring is not in Mordor.
>which is exactly what he fricking does for thousands of years and in the movies.
There's an army of orcs into the hundreds of thousands hanging around Mordor. A massive plot point in the story is how Frodo and Sam have no realistic way to get past such a high density of orcs even if the last few miles to Mt. Doom is empty. Hence the suicidal distraction by Aragorn and crew.
It's deep in the lore that hobbits can pretty much sneak anywhere unnoticed no matter what. Even when they get caught they manage to sneak awake.
Frodo and Sam literally get caught by Faramir.
Why is there even a door in the first place? Did Sauron hang out in there?
apparently yes
how convenient
when did u realize tolien was a hack
>The Ring could only be destroyed at the Crack of Doom.
Also known as my ass crack LMAO
and how many wienerrings were lost in it, anon?
There's only one destroyed ring in there and it's the result of my homemade chili!
Magic ring needs magic lava to unmake it. Simple.
why didn't Elrond whip up a batch of magic lava in his alchemy lab?
well how many lava pools are in your vicinity?
>flush it down the drain
>won't be found until you're dead
not my problem
what about Sauron and his big army of orcs and wicked men? Do you plan on killing yourself before he invades your lands?
What was Aragorn's waste management policy?
All car batteries must be buried in Lothlórien.
Why didn't Sauron make a back-up ring just in case he lost the main one?
I was actually gonna shitpost in the thread until I saw in the news that King Charles was diagnosed with cancer
Id just take the ring and lay around. I have no drive of ambition.
It'd be like "take over the world yess yess we have such power!
And id be like
"Nah" id just jAck off then take a snap after smoking a bowl
Why did Gandalf sit around for 20 years and then decide to go learn all the available info about how the most important item in the world can be identified?
He knew where the book was, he just didn't ever bother reading it for 200 years? It's not like it's a complicated secret, either, you just stuck it in a fire and writing appears.
The frick was he doing about the most critical element of his mission the whole time besides learning about the one ring that could destroy or save the universe and then reading about it and then keeping a fricking eye out?
The ring practically fell into his lap and he didn't figure it out for like 50 fricking years he was a moron
>Why did Gandalf sit around for 20 years and then decide to go learn all the available info about how the most important item in the world can be identified?
Gandalf is basically an angel in LOTR and even if he "knows" a thing, he can't reveal it. He's basically the fantasy equivalent of Captain Picard. He can't directly interfere but he can guide and help the heroes so they can realize themselves. Gandalf is literally useless for most of the films, save for offering wisdom and helping others to find courage. It's literally one of his powers.
He only fights equivalent powers twice in the films. He wins one fight but dies and has to be reincarnated. The next, he loses. If he went full-tilt with his powers, he'd dominate but he can't because it's against the will of LOTR's version of God. If he helps too much, the heroes learn nothing and don't grow.
>The ring practically fell into his lap and he didn't figure it out for like 50 fricking years he was a moron
His only regret his putting too much on Frodo, who wasn't built for adventure like Bilbo. This is a constant theme in the films.
For the record, Gandalf genuinely loves the Hobbits and doesn't want anything bad to happen to them. A part of his reluctance to reveal the ring's nature was his desire to keep the Hobbits from harm. But he can't take the ring, because he knows he will be corrupted. Frodo was chosen to carry his burden and Gandalf can't help alleviate his suffering and it kills Gandalf to "guide" Frodo to a life of PTSD and torment. Yes, Frodo will go to "heaven" but the cost hurts Gandalf. You see it when Frodo says he will take the ring, Gandalf looks devastated.
There should have been a scene where Frodo sees alternative visions of the revelation with Gandalf, where Galadriel reveals that Gandalf wanted to take the ring, not to rob Frodo but to save him from the torment of his mission. It was "his" test. Frodo offering her the ring is hers.
Hey man you have autism real frickin bad
Now go read the post again and try to respond to the social cue in the correct context and including the same information with which it was expressed
Holy shit how do you people not kill the fricking frick out of yourselves
there was nothing wrong with the explanation he gave
Okay, then I'll read it again and understand why Gandalf put off reading the book about the most important single item's characteristics until 300 years after it was written and 50-odd years after he knew his friend found a funny ring
Nope, not there
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Autism makes you less than human and it's real annoying and creepy
why would the ring corrupt Gandalf? It couldn't even corrupt Isildur to do anything worthwhile. And Gandalf already knows how useless it is to anyone except Sauron.
>hide it on the interdimensianal boat from the end of the third movie
>floaty eye man can't even cross seas
job done
floaty eye man conquer middle earth with his armies and rapes the hobbits in the butts
One of the subtexts of Lord of the Rings is that the god(s) in charge of the universe are moronic, incompetent and uncaring, like the Christian God.
They let the Big Bad wreck the world, then they caught him but let him go, so he wrecked the world again, killed the elf king, stole all their shit and took off, and the gods didn't do anything. After he had murdered most of the elves and humans and made everything shitty, the Gods intervened again but managed to sink an entire continent and lock up the Big Bad, which didn't change anything because Sauron was the Big Bad's apprentice and was just turned loose to frick up the world some more, and on and on it went.
The actual gods in Tolkein's mythology never really did much and when they did it turned to shit and failed to achieve their aims and were reliably helpless in the face of any motivated opposition.
So if they had taken the One Ring to the god's island in the West, Sauron would have conquered Middle Earth via conventional military means and then just sailed across the ocean by himself and picked his ring up off whatever lawn the gods dropped it on, they wouldn't have stopped him.
>its a le contradiction in lotr thread