>be the borg >have trillions of drones, millions, possibly billions of ships >have transwarp gates and whatnot that open deep into federation space >send a single cube to Wolf 359, initially kicking ass but eventually being defeated at the 11th hour >give up entirely
I don’t get it
Their initial interactions with Picard/Locutus made them tsundere for humanity, making them lose interest in simply steamrolling the Federation.
Literally.
>Sisko doesn't blame the Borg
No - he blames Picard, just like a moron would
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No that's based. Picard is a mary sue b***h who gets people killed and whines about "muh trauma". Sisko would win in a fist fight with Picard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>a mary sue b***h who gets people killed and whines about "muh trauma"
You're describing Sisko, anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry but what shitty sequel that retroactively ruined the best parts of the series did Sisko have? Say what you will but we never saw old man Sisko being bossed around by strong women while being humiliated for being old. Sisko went down with pride. Picard went down with a soiled old man diaper and a shitty finale send off series
The truth you are missing is that the Federation is just NOT that important. The Federation is insignificant and have nothing of real value to the Borg. Humanity thinks Earth is "special". But The reality is that every race thinks their home planet is special. There are millions of "Earths" across the Galaxy.
Sending a cube to Earth was a massive war shattering event that shook the Federation to its very core. For the Borg, that was 2pm on a Wednesday. The Borg are an ultra powerful high level species in the Galaxy. They can travel across the Galaxy in minutes and can time travel with zero effort. Barely an inconvenience.
Now imagine the Borg as just one of hundreds of ultra high level species in the Galaxy. The Borg aren't even the strongest. They are mid-tier. Some of these species remain a secret. Others are more public. And the Borg are competing against and fighting off all of them. The Borg are even fighting wars in other dimensions and fighting off invaders trying to break into this dimension. The Borg are busy with real work.
For example, The Federation had a "time war" in Star Trek Enterprise. We learned the Federation fought a time war against an "Evil Federation" that that constantly traveled through time to erase the Federation and used new time weapons to try to destroy the Federation. The took decades to finish and nearly destroyed the Federation.
That's cute! For the Borg, that's Tuesday for them. Nothing big at all. And the Borg are fighting dozens of attempts EVERY DAY from other races trying to erase the Borg with time weapons and time travel. The Borg either send their own cubes to stop them, or just use Norton Anti-time virus Borg Edition 2024 to protect them from time attacks. Like opening an umbrella when it starts raining.
The Federation are just so low on the totem poll of existence that they can't see how insignificant they truly are compared to the top dog races of the Galaxy. The Federation are frogs in a well.
That wasn't "hellbent". If they wanted to erase the Federation they would have sent thousands of cubes like they did to destroy Guinan's magical race. Guinan's race was a real threat.
No. First Contact was the Borg thinking,
"Oh yeah...we haven't visited this old backwater planet located in the middle of nowhere in several years. I guess we could send one single Borg cube to take some pictures and update our Google maps of the place."
The Federation thought it was an invasion. To the Borg, it was sending Robert the intern to pick up some coffee from Starbucks.
how powerfulis guinian's people ?
in terms of power levels like she knew of the BORG, she knew of "Q" soo
please if u can answer this. i would greatly appreciate it Anon.
thank you for all your responses mate.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
She knew about the borg because they fricked her people up, its not really an indication of power.
Though the fact that Q was kinda scared of her definitely indicates they have SOMETHING going on.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is the same Q that punch Sisko, only to realize he just punch a Prophet and never come back to that sector of space again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Garbage Mary Sue powered by Whoopi's massive ego. The moment I heard Mike and Rich talk about how "great" Guinan was, was the moment I stopped watching them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How can you stand being this wrong on the internet?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
frick whoopi that nasty ass b***h
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>how powerfulis guinian's people ? >in terms of power levels like she knew of the BORG, she knew of "Q" soo >please if u can answer this. i would greatly appreciate it Anon. >thank you for all your responses mate.
Well...think of Guinan as like a Time Lord from Doctor Who.
Both are hyper intelligent, immune to time weapons, time travel foolery, can see through illusions, mental and telepathic powers, Super slow aging, and have a "cosmic sense" about the universe.
In fact Guinan meets a Time Lord in the old Trek crossover comics, and Picard comments about how they are so similar. When the timeline gets changed, only Guinan and the Doctor are the only ones who are immune to the changes.
I would imagine that Guinan knows the secrets behind Q's powers and has ways to counter or defeat them. If Q tries to trap her in an illusion, she can see right through it. Q can't erase her mind, throw her into another timeline, or try to erase her from existence. She's immune to all that. Q might be able to force her to leave via teleportation but I believe Guinan can resist it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
THANK YOU, your awesome friendo'
much appreciated. everything you explained also makes soo much sense too. cause i always wondered.
funny how; i always wondered about all of this. finally get some real answers. thank you again. Anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
then why was she a bartender?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
She just kind of hangs out, that's all she's been doing for hundreds of years
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just for fun
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
To hear people’s problems and be a better counselor than Troi, plus sometimes humiliate Worf on the shooting range.
>Then why were they so hellbent on going back in time and erasing our history in First Contact?
Eh, in all fairness you should pretty much just forget that all the TNG movies existed. First Contact was a fun action flick, and it was great seeing Zephram Cochrane, but the movie is a fricking mess when you break it down. Even the Borg having a Queen is fricking stupid. It removes the entire "hive mind" mentality.
>The Borg are an ultra powerful high level species in the Galaxy.
Suuuuure they are. It's not like pic related said that humanity has more potential than them or something.
and thats what gets me (in star trek lore) i remember when "Q" said this.
he told picard; humanity has NO REAL understanding, concept of what exists beyond the beyond.
i wish there was a New series that would DIG Far down that rabbit hole.....like go further then Chris Pike, James T. Kirk, Jon Luc Picard, Janeway, Sisko, etc etc .......go really FAR out there. idk why rick berman & co' won't do this. i jus don't know why. especially after all the new series, reveals thats has come out.
The Borg are not ultra-powerful, thats the point. They assimilate everything in pursuit of power they likely can never gain. Q, Traveler, Douwd are closer to ultra-powerful but even they have been shown to have some level of limits
I imagine the time travel police must have interfered with the Borg otherwise that's a pretty big plot hole. No reason for the Borg not to send drones/future technological developments to the past and assimilate the entire galaxy that way.
>what about 3pm on a Wednesday? no more cubes? they got plenty of time
They were busy fighting Species #36528494. A crazy alien race with telekinetic mind powers that can throw asteroids and small moons. They also breed like rabbits.
so the Borg are just surrounded by crazy high powered aliens for some reason?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him, but ff you want to "count" STO, that is the position they're in at the Delta Quadrant.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that's moronic
so the only reason the borg aren't an existential threat is because they are currently distracted by other existential threats.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is of course the timeline that took place after voyager came home, the dominion war ended, and many shit has happen in between then and the current sto timeline. By then, the Federation are heavily militarized and fully prepare for the Borg. (You) revisit the Delta Quadrant with the voyager cast and a good amount of Aliens there already have hard counter against the Borg. Octanti went full bioweapon against the borg, the Voth has an army that could destroy them, good amount of the Borg became "free" and "independent" and call themselves the Borg Cooperative, the Hierarchy see them as a non-threat, the Vaadwaur with the help of literal space demon, became the big threat of Delta Quadrant. Do keep in mind this is the same MMO where the tutorial boss for the Federation character is a Borg Cube, with Janeway and Nog helping you out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that's moronic >so the only reason the borg aren't an existential threat is because they are currently distracted by other existential threats.
Think of it this way: The Borg are like Colonial Britain from the 1500s in our world. They are fighting other countries (other super aliens races) for control of the planet (galaxy).
The Federation, Klingons, Romulans, etc....are like animals in our world. Sure the Federation might be really powerful Deer and the Klingons might be really powerful Zebras. But at the end of the day they are just animals and humans (Borg) could wipe them out of they wanted to. The Borg are just busy with more important things.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The Borg are just busy with more important things.
Yes, I understand that.
That is very unsatisfying from a narrative stand point. it's moronic. but I guess it's on par for MMO lore.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the Federation might be really powerful Deer and the Klingons might be really powerful Zebras.
The Alpha Quadrant Powers are at least as powerful as large native nations in this scenario... say Majapahit or Japan. Maybe even Ottomans or Safavids.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you include the Star Trek novels and comics, then yes. Even the Q aren't the only god level aliens in the galaxy. There are a bunch. Most prefer to keep to themselves. There's also this unspoken understanding among the god level aliens to stay out of each other's way and territory.
We have scenes of Q interacting with other god level aliens and even pissing off the Bajoran wormhole prophets. Q rolls right up to their wormhole door and calls them ugly little hermits hiding in their little hole in the ground. This pissed off the prophets, and Q gets into a direct fight with them. Both of them bending reality, space, and time. Sort of like what if Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet fought another Thanos with the infinity gauntlet.
isnt that why the federation is great and why earth is great? to explore such a vast and unknown space with such humility while treasuring all the things that make you human culturally and psychologically humane
No, dumbass that would mean that if one gets defeated it doesn't mean much of anything. that would be like if your chessboard was all queens, but killing one lost you the game.
They weren't really that interested in the UFP. This has sort of gotten lost since then, but the original intention according to Ronald Moore was that the Borg has scooped up all those colonies along the neutral zone, found Federation and Romulan technology uninteresting, and moved on. Then Q flung the Enterprise across the galaxy and in front of a cube, where the Borg knew the Federation shouldn't be for several decades, so they beamed over to the engine room and started scanning the engines to try and figure out wtf was going on. Eventually they're chasing and gaining on the Enterprise, and Q flings the ship back across the galaxy again, which from the Borg perspective looked like the Enterprise just went to warp factor 999. So they think they've missed something and just give chase - Riker asks Data if the cube is the same ship they faced at J25, and Data says the dimensions are precisely the same, because it was the same ship that had been chasing the Enterprise back to Federation territory in a straight line. Even in that encounter they try to slice into engineering because they're trying to figure out what is going on with the engines.
By the time they assimilate Picard and realize what actually happened with Q, they're already here so the efficient thing is to just consume and move on. After they lose a cube to a technically inferior foe, they decide the UFP makes a good farm league, so they send a cube every so often to rough them up and collect whatever new anti-Borg tech they've thought up since last time.
I was just shock the writers had restraint with the borg in DS9. By this point in the series, they practically ruined them by giving them a queen and making them dumbass morons. They even brought the borg in for the prequel Enterprise. I'm sure they brought it up at least once in the writers room
I haven't watched Trek in a million years, but I know what you're saying. The "Q" and the Borg are creative crutches. Popular, sure. Usually busted out for Sweeps Week. But narratively, the characters can bend time/space pretty much. You can do anything with them.
And to a lesser extent, the holodeck episodes. Props to DS9 for not falling back on the tropes.
The Founders would be unassimiatable by the Borg but their technology and subject races would make them of interest to the Borg so they’d probably be pushing into the Gamma Quadrant. Founders would probably see the Borg as epitomizing solids buttholeishness.
I doubt the borg would bother with them. Even if they were able to assimilate them. The founders don't have any good tech themselves. The borg would just ignore them and go for Jem Hadar and Vortas and any other dominion collaborators with good tech.
I've always thought it would have been fun if the Federation threatened to dox the Dominion to the Borg. Though i guess they are probably already aware of them.
There's an episode where belana goes suicidal because she finds out the maquis got whipped out by the dominion. Its the only time the domain are mentioned in voyager
>Its the only time the domain are mentioned in voyager
Wrong. In the ep where the Doctor ended up on that experimental ship with EMH Andy Dick, Andy says that "the Federation is at war with the Dominion"
You know what, you're right.. I forgot all about thst. Its still wild to think andy dick and Sarah Silverman were in voyager
>not including TOS >not including great season 2 eps like Measure of a Man
kys moron
>TOS
Pass. I can maybe support the movies, never seen them, but inhate the 70s green wall aesthetic
That's kind of odd and stupid
Your stupid
They never appear but they’re referred to sometimes. What’s odd is that Barclay appears in Voyager and is allowed to spend a lot of time dealing with a voyager while the Dominion War is going on, like he had nothing better to do while the existence of the Federation was on the line.
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Was gonna say this. There has to be at least one other instance.
>Barclay
He was a loner holodrck nerd, it made sense. Or about as much sense as doctor Zimmerman going to ds9 to make an LMH based on Bashir.. or the complete lack of reference to first contact and the birg conflict when warf joined ds9 then went back to the enterprise for first contact then csme.back to ds9 like.nothing happened
>Pass. I can maybe support the movies, never seen them, but inhate the 70s green wall aesthetic
Then you're a fricking moron. "Zomg the colors look 60s garish so I can't appreciate it!". Don't watch Trek ever again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
TOS has some of the best episodes, setting a lot of groundwork but at the same time has some real stinkers. It averages out to Voyager tier for me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I will continue to watch 90s and 2000s trek and disregard all other iterations. Live long and suck my ass
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I will continue to watch 90s and 2000s trek and disregard all other iterations. Live long and suck my ass
Enjoy being a homosexual, homosexual.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Enjoy sucking my ass, ass sucker
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Enjoy missing out on kino Trek because "ooooh those greens are too bright for me!" Go watch some Queer Eye for the Straight Guys reruns, b***h.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Whats the best TOS episode? I'll watch it and if I like it ill give the show a chance. But I don't think ill.be able to get past the old school sci fi vibes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Whats the best TOS episode? I'll watch it and if I like it ill give the show a chance. But I don't think ill.be able to get past the old school sci fi vibes.
You sound like a fricking homosexual. But watch Mirror, Mirror.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The best episode is of the mirror universe? Are you kidding? Fricking disregarded, go back to sucking on my ass. You're trying to say there isn't a single quintessential TOS episode that encapsulates the core soul of star trek? You're giving me the evil.alternsge version? Shay a joke
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm trying to convince some moron that refuses to watch TOS. Mirror, Mirror is a great ep to show what the show is capable of. But sure, check out Space Seed, City on the Edge of Forever, the tribbles ep.
I'm done talking to you. Anyone that refuses to watch something because they don't like the colors is a zoomer homosexual of the highest order.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm trying to convince some moron that refuses to watch TOS. Mirror, Mirror is a great ep to show what the show is capable of. But sure, check out Space Seed, City on the Edge of Forever, the tribbles ep.
I'm done talking to you. Anyone that refuses to watch something because they don't like the colors is a zoomer homosexual of the highest order.
The other Anon is right though, "Mirror Mirror" is a terrible episode if you're not already a fan of the show. Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The other Anon is right though, "Mirror Mirror" is a terrible episode if you're not already a fan of the show. Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
He said he watched the TOS movies. And he watched DS9 so he already knows what the mirror universe is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I can maybe support the movies, never seen them
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you've never watched the TOS movies, despite the colors not being bad? Holy frick you sound like more and more a fricking moronic homosexual with every post.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not that Anon, I'm just the Anon who says >Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
Same reason why Naked Time/Naked Now/Dramatis Personae are not good introductory episodes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
You're moronic. TOS was never a ratings smash so every ep was made with the "this could be the first ep the audience sees" in mind. In Mirror Mirror we see Kirk, Uhura, McCoy and Scotty end up on the mirror Enterprise where everything is insane and their reactions to the insanity are enough to the new viewer. Then we cut back to the original Enterprise (which now has good Spock in charge) and how they are reacting to the insane mirror universe Kirk, Uhura, McCoy and Scotty. The ep spoonfeeds you the normal vs insane mirror quite handily.
How fricking stupid are you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Very stupid. In fact, I have paperwork saying I am moronic, but it is far too complex for me to understand.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That wasn't even me moron, just another anon with actual reading comprehension. No wonder you don't have any friends
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I said I didn't watch tos movies but I could give them a chance (because of their production value)
I'm trying to convince some moron that refuses to watch TOS. Mirror, Mirror is a great ep to show what the show is capable of. But sure, check out Space Seed, City on the Edge of Forever, the tribbles ep.
I'm done talking to you. Anyone that refuses to watch something because they don't like the colors is a zoomer homosexual of the highest order.
The best episode of The Original Series is "The Devil in the Dark". Truly fulfills the premise of seeking out new life. Don't Google it because the pictures in Google Search may spoil it.
Will give these a chance too
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I said I didn't watch tos movies but I could give them a chance (because of their production value)
kys you zoomer homosexual. Production value is 100% irrelevant if the story and acting are good. Soon you will be all "zomg it's not 4k 120hz, how can I watch this?!"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly is pretty good
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Probably the best ep Enterprise did.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like Balance of Terror the best. Submarines in space.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now we're talking, ill check it out. Thanks
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The best episode of The Original Series is "The Devil in the Dark". Truly fulfills the premise of seeking out new life. Don't Google it because the pictures in Google Search may spoil it.
They never appear but they’re referred to sometimes. What’s odd is that Barclay appears in Voyager and is allowed to spend a lot of time dealing with a voyager while the Dominion War is going on, like he had nothing better to do while the existence of the Federation was on the line.
>Its the only time the domain are mentioned in voyager
Wrong. In the ep where the Doctor ended up on that experimental ship with EMH Andy Dick, Andy says that "the Federation is at war with the Dominion"
Was gonna say this. There has to be at least one other instance.
>Why wasn't the dominion ever in voyager? What kind of horse shit is that?
You homosexuals are insufferable. Trek and major franchises used to create NEW villains. Now it's nothing but "why isn't thing I remembered in new thing?"
The Borg should not have been a major villain in Voyager and I'm glad the Dominion never got involved in Voyager either. I wish Voyager created better villains.
Voyager tried that. The Kazon, who were pretty lame and the Vidiians in the early seasons.
I hated what Voyager did to the Borg but I guess coming off 1st Contact they had to play that shit up
I agree about the Kazon. But I would take Kazon over more recycled Borg shit. Not to say that there weren't good Borg eps (like the one where Chakotay goes to a planet and finds drones that are separated from the collective). The Vidians were also good. They could have been expanded upon. Also you had >Species 8472, why they got rid of them so fast I don't know >The Krenim Imperium, I think they were just a 2 parter >The Hirogen
The lack of Species 8472 was odd since they were supposedly popular., but after their main episodes as a threat worse than the Borg they were brought back just once.
I agree 100%. I don't flat out hate the Borg but Voyager puffed them up to make them more menacing but nerfed them at the same time. I think less is more sometimes and Voyager completely went off the rails with them.
>they could have had voyager meet nice founders from the gamma backwoods.
That would have been good. As long as Voyager is not taking on Jem Hadar ships and dealing with Vorta.
>what you can't throw waste into literally empty space far from any star system.
What were the Voyager writers smoking? >The garbage man blocked my driveway this morning when I had to get to work. I'm going to get back at him by making his entire race the new major villain on Voyager!
Voyager tried that. The Kazon, who were pretty lame and the Vidiians in the early seasons.
I hated what Voyager did to the Borg but I guess coming off 1st Contact they had to play that shit up
I agree about the Kazon. But I would take Kazon over more recycled Borg shit. Not to say that there weren't good Borg eps (like the one where Chakotay goes to a planet and finds drones that are separated from the collective). The Vidians were also good. They could have been expanded upon. Also you had >Species 8472, why they got rid of them so fast I don't know >The Krenim Imperium, I think they were just a 2 parter >The Hirogen
The Vidiians could and should have been major villains.
Fascinating and unusual blend of extreme icky body horror and sympathetic victimhood.
It's a damn shame. The borg had so much potential but it all got wasted by being a cheap way to boost ratings. They should have stuck with the unstoppable mind bending horror vibe with the borg
The only time Trek delivered this was in the first Borg episode. After that, they got defeated easily by Data and the ragtag TNG crew kidnapping Picard away from the Borg.
Because it would have been fricking stupid. DS9 created their own villains and expanded on underdeveloped villains like the Cardassians.
Voyager got worse the more they relied on the Borg.
They had to make s1 & s2 campy to reel in the TOS fanatics. That's all it was. It's plain as day when you look at not only the sets (planet of the week is a few fake rocks, some trees, and a colored backdrop for a sky), but also the ideas, themes, and the exploration of ethical quandaries.
Both s1 and s2 have some great episodes. Just scrolling through those seasons: >s1 >justice >angel one
(idc what anyone says) >home soil >symbiosis >conspiracy >s2 >outrageous okona
(i always wished he would have popped in a couple more times, like harry mudd or something.) >matter of honor >contagion >the royale >samaritan snare >up the long ladder >manhunt
>They had to make s1 & s2 campy to reel in the TOS fanatics
True. But most of the eps didn't work, despite having heavy influence from Roddenberry and original TOS writers. The cast just wasn't suite for that type of show. Kirk, Spock, McCoy and their banter made TOS work. But without them a TOS-lite TNG doesn't work. But there were definetily s1 and s2 TNG eps that were very good to great. I can watch all of season 1 and 2 of TOS. I can't watch all of season 1 and 2 of TNG.
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Anonymous
every episode of season 1 and 2 is great except shades of grey which is still better than most of season 6 and 7
>literally the only good thing to come from nuTrek is the Borg are basically finished.
Didn't they play a big part in Picard? How are you sure they won't dust them off again?
yeah but they were basically the Borg remnant, and of course they will because it's nuTrek, I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part
How did they get finished? (Haven't watched any nutrek)
you know at the end of Voyager future Janeway infected the Borg with the virus that shut down the hive mind. All the Borg except the queen just shut down.
in Picard season 4 the Borg queen along with some rouge changelings who the federation experimented on basically gave all younger officer a mind virus and pretty much killed everybody over 30, the fleet was largely destroyed and Picard and the old TNG crew dust off the Enterpise D, do a Death Star run on the last functining super cube. the day is saved !
it was a pretty shitty and purely hard fan service, which make it better than any nuTrek.
DS9 should have ended the Mirror Universe storyline with the Mirror Universe Borg.
>Mirror Borg are basically the same as the regular Borg >Mirror Borg are assimilating the Mirror Alpha Quadrant with a fleet of Cubes >Mirror Borg are saving Mirror Terok Nor to be their final target, for reasons unknown >Sisko goes into the Mirror Universe to assist in a last stand against the Mirror Borg, which fails >Sisko accepts that the Borg are unstoppable, and there was nothing anyone could have done at Wolf 359 >Sisko pleads with the Prophets to open the Mirror Wormhole so that Mirror Universe refugees can escape through it >bleak depressing downer ending when the Mirror Wormhole opens and Mirror Borg cubes from the Mirror Gamma Quadrant fly out >all hope is lost, the entire Mirror Galaxy is assimilated by the Mirror Borg >Sisko escapes back to the normal universe with a handful of refugees, including Mirror Jadzia so Terry Farrell can be on the show part-time
because your dipshit story closes out a long standing and developed universe seen across several series. Also, mirror universe Borg would just be the Amish.
>Also, mirror universe Borg would just be the Amish.
Are the Klingons not warriors in the Mirror Universe? Are the Cardassians not pricks in the Mirror Universe? Are Vulcans not logical in the Mirror Universe? Not every species is a complete opposite.
Why would this show rehash the borg when the entire point was to do something different and unfamiliar? The Q episode felt moronic and out of place, as with any other pandering to TNGgays
Meanwhile, Voyager brought the Q back for multiple episodes, including a civil war and giving John de Lancie a son. And then Troi. And then Riley.
OTOH, because of the Q we got to see Jeri Ryan topless from behind, so all is forgiven.
The Q Civil Wars eps were good. Having John DeLancie wasn't necessary, but him being there didn't not make sense. And the ep where the Q wanted to die was good too.
>And the ep where the Q wanted to die was good too
Was one of the few cross over episodes with Riker. I think Brocoli and Quark were the only other crossovers
>Timeless
This was a great ep. One thing that made me laugh was when Kim said something like "we were welcome back to Earth as heroes. An Admiral wanted me to marry his daughter". So a fricking Admiral in StarFleet was pimping out his daughter?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a fan conspiracy theory that star fleet ranking officials are comprised of a ruling elite class. An admiral wedding his daughter to a publicity figure falls in line with that
>Tuvok is a background character in a DS9 mirror universe episode.
Wasn't he also in the next gen episode where those crooks try to take over the enterprise during a baryon sweep?
And I'm pretty sure tuvok was also in one of the next gen movies.. don't remember him in ds9 though
Maybe? It might have been Tim Russ and not Tuvok the character since TNG ended before VOY began.
Don’t think he was in a TNG movie.
In DS9 he’s a background character with one line of dialog and isn’t important, just a blink-and-you’ll miss-it thing.
>Timeless
This was a great ep. One thing that made me laugh was when Kim said something like "we were welcome back to Earth as heroes. An Admiral wanted me to marry his daughter". So a fricking Admiral in StarFleet was pimping out his daughter?
The horrors of The Dominion War badly damaged Federation ethical standards.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
he was definitly in the movie generations, and they did a homage to it in the voyager episode 'flashback'
i didn't know he played a klingon though, but he was in the mirror universe episode, you're right
>DS9 movie but it's just a 90-minute version of Trials and Tribble-ations (plus some scene with Sulu from a different episode spliced in somehow)
Ahhh... kino.
That would've have been kino. I wish it was tradition to make movies on every Star Trek show. I would put up with a Voyager movie if it meant we got a few (or even at least one) DS9 movie
DS9 told a complete story, a movie wouldn't really have served a purpose. TOS ended before its time, and TNG refrained from evolving the characters too much during its run so there was still somewhere to take them with the movies. But what would you do with a DS9 movie? Do what would essentially be a remake of The Visitor? Undo Odo's final character defining act? Send Bashir after section 31 again?
The only way you will get better andorian content is Enterprise getting the elusive 5th season that would make Shran appear in almost all the episodes being part of Starfleet.
First Contact originally began with the Borg Cube coming emerging unexpectedly from the DS9 wormhole.
...Hence Worf chasing it in the Defiant right from the beginning
>Defiant > >Ship designed to fight the Borg >It does this by being: >Small
and goofy looking! >Having slightly better shields
Borg cutting beams literally slice up planets >Being invisible sometimes
The Borg ignore small ships until they fire on them... And the Defiant can't fire while cloaked... Sooooo even if the Borg can't detect cloaked ships, that's completely fricking useless.
Goes up against the Borg one time and is taken out instantly by a single Cube.
Genuinely pathetic.
Most embarrassing Defiant.
Even the Defiant that got sucked into another dimension and created the Mirror Universe was less embarrassing.
It was designed to fight the Borg. Not necessarily win against the Borg. The idea was that the Defiant could take several more hits from a Borg cube compared to something like a Miranda or Excelsior. And it being small and agile enough to avoid Borg beams. To make it harder to hit.
It was designed to fight the Borg. Not necessarily win against the Borg. The idea was that the Defiant could take several more hits from a Borg cube compared to something like a Miranda or Excelsior. And it being small and agile enough to avoid Borg beams. To make it harder to hit.
It's designed to fight the Borg by being part of a fleet of ships. It takes fewer resources to manufacture a Defiant-class ship, so you could build an entire fleet of Defiant-class ships with fewer resources than any other fleet.
O'Brien's fix wasn't really even a fix either. He basically boosted power to the "structural integrity" fields. The ship was using huge amounts of power just to hold itself together.
Basically using duct tape to hold everything together. The design was still flawed. If the ship lost power, it would still tear itself apart.
That isn't mentioned and doesn't seem to match the visible timeline, but if they were: three days of fighting against a single ship with most of Starfleet backing you up and losing doesn't exactly scream "Anti-Borg super weapon"
>Starfleet backing you up and losing doesn't exactly scream "Anti-Borg super weapon"
Well to be fair, the first Borg cube smashed the Wolf 359 fleet with zero effort in a matter of minutes according to DS9.
So the First Contact fleet lasting days against a Borg Cube is a vast improvement. The Borg Cube still made it to Earth, but it was damaged and the Federation Fleet was still fighting it. They weren't stomped into the ground like at Wolf 359.
I'm going to need a source for it being days.
To my shame, I HAVE read the novelization and I don't remember that detail at all. In the movie, it very much seems that the Borg turned up that morning and everything is just a re-run of Wolf 359.
The Cube is only damaged because of Picard's magic Borg-sense.
Starfleet remains completely ineffective against the Borg, and the Defiant doesn't seem any more effective than the bog-standard other ships going up against it.
On the topic of a Borg episode where one wasn't necessary, I fricking hate the Borg episode in Enterprise, easily my least favorite episode of the show. It's just the most rote portrayal of them doing all the things you expect them to do with zero effort at all to do something new with them or liven it up in any way. Appearances of the Borg in general just get worse and worse as Star Trek goes on, they should have been relegated to just TNG.
Star Trek Enterprise had its budget slashed in half. So they had to reuse a lot of costumes and do everything they could to keep expenses down.
At the time, The CEO of Paramount TV supposedly hated sci-fi shows and wanted Star Trek off his network and did everything he could to sabotage the show. This included slashing their budget down every season, and constantly changing the time slot of the show.
Why doesn't the replicator replicate itself? >The technology is also used for producing spare parts, which makes it possible to repair most ship damage without having to return to a starbase.
So why don't they just replicate a starship?
Replicator is the most OP shit ever and instead they use it for >tea earl grey hot
Unlike what people think, Replicators don't actually create matter from energy.
There is a storage of base materials that gets used up when stuff gets replicated.
>According to an academic thesis: "The so-called 'replicators' can reconstitute matter and produce everything that is needed out of pure energy, no matter whether food, medicaments, or spare parts are required."
>Base materials
Mainly interstellar hydrogen which is picked up by the Bussard Collectors while the ship is in flight.
...Hence "There's coffee in that nebula!"
>There is a storage of base materials that gets used up when stuff gets replicated.
Nope. Star Trek Voyager went over this in a few episodes. Replicators are matter energy conversation. They use power.
>According to an academic thesis: "The so-called 'replicators' can reconstitute matter and produce everything that is needed out of pure energy, no matter whether food, medicaments, or spare parts are required."
There is a TNG episode where they talk about some goo that they store in order to replicate food.
There are also some materials that you can't replicate.
Maybe the tech changed by the time of Voyager. Their replicators only needed power. Every time they replicated an item it drained power. They talk about in depth when Voyager had to ration power.
It's not a TNG episode, it's the TNG technical manual.
It says that to make replicators more energy efficient, a pre-processed goo is fed into them containing most of the elements and substances needed for food.
However, this isn't technically needed and is only used for replicating food or similar organic substances.
>Why doesn't the replicator replicate itself?
It does. >Why don't they use replicators to make ships?
They do.
You can actually see the process of a ship being built at the end of Star Trek: Beyond. It's just a series of big arms replicating parts in place like a huge 3D printer.
See also the Enterprise episode "Dead Stop"
Because they saw a Jake and Sisko episode and hundreds of cubes started to commit suicide from terminal cringe before the Borg Queen was able to rest the neural network.
Is the average Federation citizen aware that there are multiple cosmic beings and god-like entities roaming the Galaxy, or does the government keep that under wraps for security? Things like the Q, The Prophets, Nagilum and that guy from TNG who wiped out an entire species with a thought because some of them killed his gf
No. A lot of stuff is classified or has access restricted to certain ranks. If Starfleet can keep it hidden, then they will do their best to hide it or put barriers in place to limit access.
I believe knowledge about Q was restricted to Commanders ranks and above. But the Lower Decks Trek cartoon kind of threw all of that out the window by making the main character flawless and having knowledge of everything - even Q.
I would be led to assume that it's a bit of a mix. Some of it is on a level that only the bridge crew and the admiralty will ever know but surely some trickles down over time. Findings that get reported back that become the subject for scientific papers, stories and tall tales from lower ensigns, official announcements if there were a threat to Earth. Some is very clearly kept sealed away. Sisko is on the far reaches of the frontier but it takes O'Brien to explain the Q to him even if a fair warning might have been in order from command.
Q and Co are always popping up and demanding that humanity prove that we are not evil or violent or animalistic, and threaten to exterminate us if we don't match up to their clearly very high standards.
...Do other species have this happen too?
How do the Klingons and Ferengi and Cardassians do?
Is Q not judging them too?
What does a census of the universe look like? Perhaps the human presence and ideals of the humans puts them on the Q radar as they're the ones trying to be deep space explorers and hold up such high and mighty ideals. Meanwhile the Klingons, Ferengi and Cardassians are just focused on expanding their empires. Maybe too primitive in the eyes of the Q to justify talking to them.
>I'm going to wipe out your species because you are insufficiently evil, and therefore TOO evil!
That sounds like a terrible policy unless you want every sentient lifeform in the universe to be a ravening monster.
They don't have any reason to care for the others. The trial for humanity is brought on because Q sees humans as this squabbling primitive species that thinks they're good enough to go out and see everything the universe has to offer. Meanwhile the other species mentioned don't have that grand vision and won't impact anything aside from a few star systems and maybe shake up a larger trade culture as far as the Ferengi are concerned. Q's argument is just that humanity isn't good enough or smart enough to be in that role. The only thing that changes that for me is knowing for certain just how expansive and large the other species are. We see for certain that humanity and the UFP have been places and seen things they have no right to be involved with but it's unclear what that's like for others.
The Ferengi are buying up wormholes to the other side of the galaxy, the Klingons believe they murdered God, the Romulans are meddling deeper in mad science than anyone else.
They are all troublesome creatures with awfully high opinions of themselves.
... And the Federation isn't just humanity: Do the Vulcans have to justify their existence regularly too? The Betazoids? The Andorians?
And it's not just Q - the Organians are perfectly happy to interfere with the Klingons. Those weird Greek God aliens are messing with the Gorn and who knows who else. Nagilium doesn't seem too picky about who he fricks with.
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Could it perhaps be that it's nonsensical to have a godlike entity like Q be obsessed with humans and just humans and that explaining it and defending it just backs you into a corner?
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If you take Q at face value. It's probably just a shit test because he actually likes us
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You are now imagining John De Lancie as a tsundere woman
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Did someone say ... Tsundere?
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Did someone say ... Tsundere?
>gotta bring my homosexualy anime shit into everything even though that stupid fad ended in 2008!
No he only does it humans. It's just a single Q, not the collective. Just his personal obsession I guess.
It might be because humans will at some point become something similar to Q in the future.
>In a 1997 AOL chat with Star Trek fans (archived at Memory Alpha) Co-Executive Producer Ronald D. Moore revealed the reason why the Borg didn't appear in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He said that the DS9 writers' room "pretty much decided to keep away from the Borg on DS9 and [let] Voyager deal with them exclusively." Star Trek: Voyager began in 1995, and with a central premise of a Starfleet vessel stranded in the Borg's home turf of the Delta Quadrant, it was inevitable that the Collective would heavily feature, which they did from season 3 onward.
They feared the Sisko. Also they were too busy becoming jobbers on Voyager.
They knew they fricked up when they killed his wife
We did, the first episode with the flashback.
Well I mean like something other than a flashback. I always wish Deep Space Nine had the borg at least once or twice as a kid
>be the borg
>have trillions of drones, millions, possibly billions of ships
>have transwarp gates and whatnot that open deep into federation space
>send a single cube to Wolf 359, initially kicking ass but eventually being defeated at the 11th hour
>give up entirely
I don’t get it
Their initial interactions with Picard/Locutus made them tsundere for humanity, making them lose interest in simply steamrolling the Federation.
Literally.
>Picard/Locutus
I was reading the DS9 fan wiki. I never knew Locutus killed Sisco's wife! How was that not an ongoing storyline?
They even got their own mini Enterprise later on. Cisco shoulda launched a secret mission to get revenge on the Borg.
>Picard gets kidnapped and assimilate and all we get is him whining about "muh mental health" and "muh revenge"
>Sisko gets his wife killed and he never brings up the borg again
Weird
>Sisko doesn't blame the Borg
No - he blames Picard, just like a moron would
No that's based. Picard is a mary sue b***h who gets people killed and whines about "muh trauma". Sisko would win in a fist fight with Picard.
>a mary sue b***h who gets people killed and whines about "muh trauma"
You're describing Sisko, anon.
I'm sorry but what shitty sequel that retroactively ruined the best parts of the series did Sisko have? Say what you will but we never saw old man Sisko being bossed around by strong women while being humiliated for being old. Sisko went down with pride. Picard went down with a soiled old man diaper and a shitty finale send off series
The truth you are missing is that the Federation is just NOT that important. The Federation is insignificant and have nothing of real value to the Borg. Humanity thinks Earth is "special". But The reality is that every race thinks their home planet is special. There are millions of "Earths" across the Galaxy.
Sending a cube to Earth was a massive war shattering event that shook the Federation to its very core. For the Borg, that was 2pm on a Wednesday. The Borg are an ultra powerful high level species in the Galaxy. They can travel across the Galaxy in minutes and can time travel with zero effort. Barely an inconvenience.
Now imagine the Borg as just one of hundreds of ultra high level species in the Galaxy. The Borg aren't even the strongest. They are mid-tier. Some of these species remain a secret. Others are more public. And the Borg are competing against and fighting off all of them. The Borg are even fighting wars in other dimensions and fighting off invaders trying to break into this dimension. The Borg are busy with real work.
For example, The Federation had a "time war" in Star Trek Enterprise. We learned the Federation fought a time war against an "Evil Federation" that that constantly traveled through time to erase the Federation and used new time weapons to try to destroy the Federation. The took decades to finish and nearly destroyed the Federation.
That's cute! For the Borg, that's Tuesday for them. Nothing big at all. And the Borg are fighting dozens of attempts EVERY DAY from other races trying to erase the Borg with time weapons and time travel. The Borg either send their own cubes to stop them, or just use Norton Anti-time virus Borg Edition 2024 to protect them from time attacks. Like opening an umbrella when it starts raining.
The Federation are just so low on the totem poll of existence that they can't see how insignificant they truly are compared to the top dog races of the Galaxy. The Federation are frogs in a well.
Then why were they so hellbent on going back in time and erasing our history in First Contact?
That wasn't "hellbent". If they wanted to erase the Federation they would have sent thousands of cubes like they did to destroy Guinan's magical race. Guinan's race was a real threat.
No. First Contact was the Borg thinking,
"Oh yeah...we haven't visited this old backwater planet located in the middle of nowhere in several years. I guess we could send one single Borg cube to take some pictures and update our Google maps of the place."
The Federation thought it was an invasion. To the Borg, it was sending Robert the intern to pick up some coffee from Starbucks.
The Queen just wanted to see Picard again.
how powerfulis guinian's people ?
in terms of power levels like she knew of the BORG, she knew of "Q" soo
please if u can answer this. i would greatly appreciate it Anon.
thank you for all your responses mate.
She knew about the borg because they fricked her people up, its not really an indication of power.
Though the fact that Q was kinda scared of her definitely indicates they have SOMETHING going on.
This is the same Q that punch Sisko, only to realize he just punch a Prophet and never come back to that sector of space again.
Garbage Mary Sue powered by Whoopi's massive ego. The moment I heard Mike and Rich talk about how "great" Guinan was, was the moment I stopped watching them.
How can you stand being this wrong on the internet?
frick whoopi that nasty ass b***h
>how powerfulis guinian's people ?
>in terms of power levels like she knew of the BORG, she knew of "Q" soo
>please if u can answer this. i would greatly appreciate it Anon.
>thank you for all your responses mate.
Well...think of Guinan as like a Time Lord from Doctor Who.
Both are hyper intelligent, immune to time weapons, time travel foolery, can see through illusions, mental and telepathic powers, Super slow aging, and have a "cosmic sense" about the universe.
In fact Guinan meets a Time Lord in the old Trek crossover comics, and Picard comments about how they are so similar. When the timeline gets changed, only Guinan and the Doctor are the only ones who are immune to the changes.
I would imagine that Guinan knows the secrets behind Q's powers and has ways to counter or defeat them. If Q tries to trap her in an illusion, she can see right through it. Q can't erase her mind, throw her into another timeline, or try to erase her from existence. She's immune to all that. Q might be able to force her to leave via teleportation but I believe Guinan can resist it
THANK YOU, your awesome friendo'
much appreciated. everything you explained also makes soo much sense too. cause i always wondered.
funny how; i always wondered about all of this. finally get some real answers. thank you again. Anon.
then why was she a bartender?
She just kind of hangs out, that's all she's been doing for hundreds of years
Just for fun
To hear people’s problems and be a better counselor than Troi, plus sometimes humiliate Worf on the shooting range.
>Then why were they so hellbent on going back in time and erasing our history in First Contact?
Eh, in all fairness you should pretty much just forget that all the TNG movies existed. First Contact was a fun action flick, and it was great seeing Zephram Cochrane, but the movie is a fricking mess when you break it down. Even the Borg having a Queen is fricking stupid. It removes the entire "hive mind" mentality.
TNG really should be it's own timeline and then TOS and the movies are it's own timeline.
>b.baka!
>The Borg are an ultra powerful high level species in the Galaxy.
Suuuuure they are. It's not like pic related said that humanity has more potential than them or something.
Q literally called humanity an arrogant foolish baby race with no idea of what's really out there.
Sounds like h*brew projection to me.
and thats what gets me (in star trek lore) i remember when "Q" said this.
he told picard; humanity has NO REAL understanding, concept of what exists beyond the beyond.
i wish there was a New series that would DIG Far down that rabbit hole.....like go further then Chris Pike, James T. Kirk, Jon Luc Picard, Janeway, Sisko, etc etc .......go really FAR out there. idk why rick berman & co' won't do this. i jus don't know why. especially after all the new series, reveals thats has come out.
The Chodak are more powerful maybe as powerful as the Q with the Unity device.
The Borg are not ultra-powerful, thats the point. They assimilate everything in pursuit of power they likely can never gain. Q, Traveler, Douwd are closer to ultra-powerful but even they have been shown to have some level of limits
I appreciate the thought and thoroughness of this post but my God you sound like a Redditor.
Stop browsing reddit then
>can time travel with zero effort
Lol no they can't, if they could do that pic they'd have pic related as drones.
I imagine the time travel police must have interfered with the Borg otherwise that's a pretty big plot hole. No reason for the Borg not to send drones/future technological developments to the past and assimilate the entire galaxy that way.
>Lol no they can't, if they could do that pic they'd have pic related as drones
The future Borg would be like "hell no. We're not sharing with you."
It would be like someone from the 1700s asking if they could take your smartphone to the past.
>For the Borg, that was 2pm on a Wednesday.
what about 3pm on a Wednesday? no more cubes? they got plenty of time
>what about 3pm on a Wednesday? no more cubes? they got plenty of time
They were busy fighting Species #36528494. A crazy alien race with telekinetic mind powers that can throw asteroids and small moons. They also breed like rabbits.
so the Borg are just surrounded by crazy high powered aliens for some reason?
Not him, but ff you want to "count" STO, that is the position they're in at the Delta Quadrant.
that's moronic
so the only reason the borg aren't an existential threat is because they are currently distracted by other existential threats.
This is of course the timeline that took place after voyager came home, the dominion war ended, and many shit has happen in between then and the current sto timeline. By then, the Federation are heavily militarized and fully prepare for the Borg. (You) revisit the Delta Quadrant with the voyager cast and a good amount of Aliens there already have hard counter against the Borg. Octanti went full bioweapon against the borg, the Voth has an army that could destroy them, good amount of the Borg became "free" and "independent" and call themselves the Borg Cooperative, the Hierarchy see them as a non-threat, the Vaadwaur with the help of literal space demon, became the big threat of Delta Quadrant. Do keep in mind this is the same MMO where the tutorial boss for the Federation character is a Borg Cube, with Janeway and Nog helping you out.
>that's moronic
>so the only reason the borg aren't an existential threat is because they are currently distracted by other existential threats.
Think of it this way: The Borg are like Colonial Britain from the 1500s in our world. They are fighting other countries (other super aliens races) for control of the planet (galaxy).
The Federation, Klingons, Romulans, etc....are like animals in our world. Sure the Federation might be really powerful Deer and the Klingons might be really powerful Zebras. But at the end of the day they are just animals and humans (Borg) could wipe them out of they wanted to. The Borg are just busy with more important things.
>The Borg are just busy with more important things.
Yes, I understand that.
That is very unsatisfying from a narrative stand point. it's moronic. but I guess it's on par for MMO lore.
>the Federation might be really powerful Deer and the Klingons might be really powerful Zebras.
The Alpha Quadrant Powers are at least as powerful as large native nations in this scenario... say Majapahit or Japan. Maybe even Ottomans or Safavids.
If you include the Star Trek novels and comics, then yes. Even the Q aren't the only god level aliens in the galaxy. There are a bunch. Most prefer to keep to themselves. There's also this unspoken understanding among the god level aliens to stay out of each other's way and territory.
We have scenes of Q interacting with other god level aliens and even pissing off the Bajoran wormhole prophets. Q rolls right up to their wormhole door and calls them ugly little hermits hiding in their little hole in the ground. This pissed off the prophets, and Q gets into a direct fight with them. Both of them bending reality, space, and time. Sort of like what if Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet fought another Thanos with the infinity gauntlet.
isnt that why the federation is great and why earth is great? to explore such a vast and unknown space with such humility while treasuring all the things that make you human culturally and psychologically humane
The Federation just has encountered a Space Empire that is willing to kick their teeth in and enslave them. The Dominion came close.
The Federation must be destroyed.
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Yeah the Borg are above humanity as humans are above fish.
>For example, The Federation had a "time war" in Star Trek Enterprise.
Uhoh, is anyone going to tell him?
they are a hivemind, if one cube gets defeated then that means they all got defeated
No, dumbass that would mean that if one gets defeated it doesn't mean much of anything. that would be like if your chessboard was all queens, but killing one lost you the game.
>be fisherman
>catch shitty little fish that show promise
>throw it back and catch it again when it is huge
zoomers gonna zoom
They were expanding all throughout the universe. After Wolf 359 they decided it wasn't worth the effort.
They weren't really that interested in the UFP. This has sort of gotten lost since then, but the original intention according to Ronald Moore was that the Borg has scooped up all those colonies along the neutral zone, found Federation and Romulan technology uninteresting, and moved on. Then Q flung the Enterprise across the galaxy and in front of a cube, where the Borg knew the Federation shouldn't be for several decades, so they beamed over to the engine room and started scanning the engines to try and figure out wtf was going on. Eventually they're chasing and gaining on the Enterprise, and Q flings the ship back across the galaxy again, which from the Borg perspective looked like the Enterprise just went to warp factor 999. So they think they've missed something and just give chase - Riker asks Data if the cube is the same ship they faced at J25, and Data says the dimensions are precisely the same, because it was the same ship that had been chasing the Enterprise back to Federation territory in a straight line. Even in that encounter they try to slice into engineering because they're trying to figure out what is going on with the engines.
By the time they assimilate Picard and realize what actually happened with Q, they're already here so the efficient thing is to just consume and move on. After they lose a cube to a technically inferior foe, they decide the UFP makes a good farm league, so they send a cube every so often to rough them up and collect whatever new anti-Borg tech they've thought up since last time.
Very nice attention to detail anon
If what you just said is bullshit... it was bullshit of such quality that I believe it.
upvote.
there was that episode where hugh visited
What would the Borg want with a space strip mall managed by a Black?
Was just about to ask this. If someone can give us a reason to believe the Borg would attack the Space Mall, please let us know.
I was just shock the writers had restraint with the borg in DS9. By this point in the series, they practically ruined them by giving them a queen and making them dumbass morons. They even brought the borg in for the prequel Enterprise. I'm sure they brought it up at least once in the writers room
I haven't watched Trek in a million years, but I know what you're saying. The "Q" and the Borg are creative crutches. Popular, sure. Usually busted out for Sweeps Week. But narratively, the characters can bend time/space pretty much. You can do anything with them.
And to a lesser extent, the holodeck episodes. Props to DS9 for not falling back on the tropes.
... Yes, thank God DS9 didn't have any shitty Q or Holodeck episodes...
*Shifty eyes*
Vick overstayed his welcome imo.
The Borg were reserved for Voyager by the writers. Good thing tbqh, without the Borg VOY would have been even more mediocre.
borg might be the weakest part of voy. they should have explored origins instead of turning them into an ant colony with ADD
I always wish we got more borg in TNG but I wish they were still treated like somekind of lovecraftian entity instead of some dumb jobbers
Their writing was weak but the Borg were popular and featuring them probably helped VOY keep going.
lGood point.
How would the founders deal with the borg? Are they assimilatable? Serious questions
The Founders would be unassimiatable by the Borg but their technology and subject races would make them of interest to the Borg so they’d probably be pushing into the Gamma Quadrant. Founders would probably see the Borg as epitomizing solids buttholeishness.
They're both collectives though funnily enough. They're probably think The Borg is the solids attempt trying to become a sort of pale imitation.
I doubt the borg would bother with them. Even if they were able to assimilate them. The founders don't have any good tech themselves. The borg would just ignore them and go for Jem Hadar and Vortas and any other dominion collaborators with good tech.
The Borg tried to assimilate species 8472 so it is implied that they can and do go after exotic lifeforms.
Species 8472 kicked the Borg's ass. Apparently they destroyed thousands of Borg Cubes.
The failed to assimilate Species 8472. And Seven of Nine says in one episode the couldn't assimilate a certain solid species.
I've always thought it would have been fun if the Federation threatened to dox the Dominion to the Borg. Though i guess they are probably already aware of them.
Why wasn't the dominion ever in voyager? What kind of horse shit is that?
I can't remember but what were the timelines between Voyager and DS9?
There's an episode where belana goes suicidal because she finds out the maquis got whipped out by the dominion. Its the only time the domain are mentioned in voyager
>Its the only time the domain are mentioned in voyager
Wrong. In the ep where the Doctor ended up on that experimental ship with EMH Andy Dick, Andy says that "the Federation is at war with the Dominion"
You know what, you're right.. I forgot all about thst. Its still wild to think andy dick and Sarah Silverman were in voyager
>TOS
Pass. I can maybe support the movies, never seen them, but inhate the 70s green wall aesthetic
Your stupid
>Barclay
He was a loner holodrck nerd, it made sense. Or about as much sense as doctor Zimmerman going to ds9 to make an LMH based on Bashir.. or the complete lack of reference to first contact and the birg conflict when warf joined ds9 then went back to the enterprise for first contact then csme.back to ds9 like.nothing happened
>Pass. I can maybe support the movies, never seen them, but inhate the 70s green wall aesthetic
Then you're a fricking moron. "Zomg the colors look 60s garish so I can't appreciate it!". Don't watch Trek ever again.
TOS has some of the best episodes, setting a lot of groundwork but at the same time has some real stinkers. It averages out to Voyager tier for me.
I will continue to watch 90s and 2000s trek and disregard all other iterations. Live long and suck my ass
>I will continue to watch 90s and 2000s trek and disregard all other iterations. Live long and suck my ass
Enjoy being a homosexual, homosexual.
Enjoy sucking my ass, ass sucker
Enjoy missing out on kino Trek because "ooooh those greens are too bright for me!" Go watch some Queer Eye for the Straight Guys reruns, b***h.
Whats the best TOS episode? I'll watch it and if I like it ill give the show a chance. But I don't think ill.be able to get past the old school sci fi vibes.
>Whats the best TOS episode? I'll watch it and if I like it ill give the show a chance. But I don't think ill.be able to get past the old school sci fi vibes.
You sound like a fricking homosexual. But watch Mirror, Mirror.
The best episode is of the mirror universe? Are you kidding? Fricking disregarded, go back to sucking on my ass. You're trying to say there isn't a single quintessential TOS episode that encapsulates the core soul of star trek? You're giving me the evil.alternsge version? Shay a joke
I'm trying to convince some moron that refuses to watch TOS. Mirror, Mirror is a great ep to show what the show is capable of. But sure, check out Space Seed, City on the Edge of Forever, the tribbles ep.
I'm done talking to you. Anyone that refuses to watch something because they don't like the colors is a zoomer homosexual of the highest order.
The other Anon is right though, "Mirror Mirror" is a terrible episode if you're not already a fan of the show. Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
>The other Anon is right though, "Mirror Mirror" is a terrible episode if you're not already a fan of the show. Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
He said he watched the TOS movies. And he watched DS9 so he already knows what the mirror universe is.
>I can maybe support the movies, never seen them
So you've never watched the TOS movies, despite the colors not being bad? Holy frick you sound like more and more a fricking moronic homosexual with every post.
I'm not that Anon, I'm just the Anon who says
>Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
Same reason why Naked Time/Naked Now/Dramatis Personae are not good introductory episodes.
>>Why should you care about crazy whacko versions of the main characters if you're not already a preexisting fan of the regular versions of the main characters?
You're moronic. TOS was never a ratings smash so every ep was made with the "this could be the first ep the audience sees" in mind. In Mirror Mirror we see Kirk, Uhura, McCoy and Scotty end up on the mirror Enterprise where everything is insane and their reactions to the insanity are enough to the new viewer. Then we cut back to the original Enterprise (which now has good Spock in charge) and how they are reacting to the insane mirror universe Kirk, Uhura, McCoy and Scotty. The ep spoonfeeds you the normal vs insane mirror quite handily.
How fricking stupid are you?
Very stupid. In fact, I have paperwork saying I am moronic, but it is far too complex for me to understand.
That wasn't even me moron, just another anon with actual reading comprehension. No wonder you don't have any friends
I said I didn't watch tos movies but I could give them a chance (because of their production value)
Will give these a chance too
>I said I didn't watch tos movies but I could give them a chance (because of their production value)
kys you zoomer homosexual. Production value is 100% irrelevant if the story and acting are good. Soon you will be all "zomg it's not 4k 120hz, how can I watch this?!"
Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly is pretty good
Probably the best ep Enterprise did.
I like Balance of Terror the best. Submarines in space.
Now we're talking, ill check it out. Thanks
The best episode of The Original Series is "The Devil in the Dark". Truly fulfills the premise of seeking out new life. Don't Google it because the pictures in Google Search may spoil it.
who the frick still uses google homosexual
>your stupid
>your
>taking the b8
Thanks for thr (you) fren. Trolling is a art, you know?
>haha I was just pretending to be moronic
Now you're getting it 😉
That's kind of odd and stupid
They never appear but they’re referred to sometimes. What’s odd is that Barclay appears in Voyager and is allowed to spend a lot of time dealing with a voyager while the Dominion War is going on, like he had nothing better to do while the existence of the Federation was on the line.
Was gonna say this. There has to be at least one other instance.
>Why wasn't the dominion ever in voyager? What kind of horse shit is that?
You homosexuals are insufferable. Trek and major franchises used to create NEW villains. Now it's nothing but "why isn't thing I remembered in new thing?"
The Borg should not have been a major villain in Voyager and I'm glad the Dominion never got involved in Voyager either. I wish Voyager created better villains.
Voyager tried that. The Kazon, who were pretty lame and the Vidiians in the early seasons.
I hated what Voyager did to the Borg but I guess coming off 1st Contact they had to play that shit up
I agree about the Kazon. But I would take Kazon over more recycled Borg shit. Not to say that there weren't good Borg eps (like the one where Chakotay goes to a planet and finds drones that are separated from the collective). The Vidians were also good. They could have been expanded upon. Also you had
>Species 8472, why they got rid of them so fast I don't know
>The Krenim Imperium, I think they were just a 2 parter
>The Hirogen
There was also the radiation trash aliens and the pig blob spying aliens
There was also those fat Overwatcher (or Overlooker?) aliens.
Thats the fat pig spying aliens
Oh ok. Yeah. They should have done more with them. But Voyager was always a mess from a production standpoint.
The lack of Species 8472 was odd since they were supposedly popular., but after their main episodes as a threat worse than the Borg they were brought back just once.
>Borg they were brought back just once.
Was that the ep where 8472 made themselves look human and built a Star Fleet Academy?
Yeah. Instead of omnicidal maniacs who want
kill everything, now they want to study and spy on the Federation because they view them as a threat.
I agree 100%. I don't flat out hate the Borg but Voyager puffed them up to make them more menacing but nerfed them at the same time. I think less is more sometimes and Voyager completely went off the rails with them.
if voy didnt have the borg we wouldnt have 7
they could have had voyager meet nice founders from the gamma backwoods.
>they could have had voyager meet nice founders from the gamma backwoods.
That would have been good. As long as Voyager is not taking on Jem Hadar ships and dealing with Vorta.
B-but anon, what about when the voyager had to fight literal garbage men? Didn't you like them?
>t. Voyager writer
>what you can't throw waste into literally empty space far from any star system.
What were the Voyager writers smoking?
>The garbage man blocked my driveway this morning when I had to get to work. I'm going to get back at him by making his entire race the new major villain on Voyager!
it was the 90s. erin brokovich time. in the 80s it was all about saving the whales. the show is a product of its time.
discovery had the burn as a climate catastrophe analogue.
The Vidiians could and should have been major villains.
Fascinating and unusual blend of extreme icky body horror and sympathetic victimhood.
The ep where the doctor boards the prometheous, andy dick mentions the war with the dominion and the doctor says "who?".
Thanks fren, good call out. Has already been mentioned though . Keep up the good work
“Long story.” And then they move on to the Romulan threat.
Voyager takes place in the Delta Quadrant, the Dominion are a Gamma Quadrant faction
It's a damn shame. The borg had so much potential but it all got wasted by being a cheap way to boost ratings. They should have stuck with the unstoppable mind bending horror vibe with the borg
The only time Trek delivered this was in the first Borg episode. After that, they got defeated easily by Data and the ragtag TNG crew kidnapping Picard away from the Borg.
Because it would have been fricking stupid. DS9 created their own villains and expanded on underdeveloped villains like the Cardassians.
Voyager got worse the more they relied on the Borg.
Goddamn I hate what they did to Star Trek. We’ll never get a comfy show again.
Where should I stop watching this franchise?
You should only watch next gen S3 through voyager S7. DS9 is included, obviously. You can also watch ENT if you want. But thats it
>not including TOS
>not including great season 2 eps like Measure of a Man
kys moron
They had to make s1 & s2 campy to reel in the TOS fanatics. That's all it was. It's plain as day when you look at not only the sets (planet of the week is a few fake rocks, some trees, and a colored backdrop for a sky), but also the ideas, themes, and the exploration of ethical quandaries.
Both s1 and s2 have some great episodes. Just scrolling through those seasons:
>s1
>justice
>angel one
(idc what anyone says)
>home soil
>symbiosis
>conspiracy
>s2
>outrageous okona
(i always wished he would have popped in a couple more times, like harry mudd or something.)
>matter of honor
>contagion
>the royale
>samaritan snare
>up the long ladder
>manhunt
>They had to make s1 & s2 campy to reel in the TOS fanatics
True. But most of the eps didn't work, despite having heavy influence from Roddenberry and original TOS writers. The cast just wasn't suite for that type of show. Kirk, Spock, McCoy and their banter made TOS work. But without them a TOS-lite TNG doesn't work. But there were definetily s1 and s2 TNG eps that were very good to great. I can watch all of season 1 and 2 of TOS. I can't watch all of season 1 and 2 of TNG.
every episode of season 1 and 2 is great except shades of grey which is still better than most of season 6 and 7
> Skip 2 seasons of TNG.
> Watch every shitty, low-grade Mall in space slop episode because muh empowered black man!
How about no.
Stop with Enterprise. Star Trek ended in 2005
It kind of ends with Voyager and the movies.
ENT is semi-okay, but already feels like a different franchise.
Do nanoprobes work on shapeshifters?
They worked on Species 8472, eventually, with the help of Janeway's crew.
good. Voyager killed the Borg for me. literally the only good thing to come from nuTrek is the Borg are basically finished.
>literally the only good thing to come from nuTrek is the Borg are basically finished.
Didn't they play a big part in Picard? How are you sure they won't dust them off again?
yeah but they were basically the Borg remnant, and of course they will because it's nuTrek, I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part
you know at the end of Voyager future Janeway infected the Borg with the virus that shut down the hive mind. All the Borg except the queen just shut down.
in Picard season 4 the Borg queen along with some rouge changelings who the federation experimented on basically gave all younger officer a mind virus and pretty much killed everybody over 30, the fleet was largely destroyed and Picard and the old TNG crew dust off the Enterpise D, do a Death Star run on the last functining super cube. the day is saved !
it was a pretty shitty and purely hard fan service, which make it better than any nuTrek.
How did they get finished? (Haven't watched any nutrek)
DS9 should have ended the Mirror Universe storyline with the Mirror Universe Borg.
>Mirror Borg are basically the same as the regular Borg
>Mirror Borg are assimilating the Mirror Alpha Quadrant with a fleet of Cubes
>Mirror Borg are saving Mirror Terok Nor to be their final target, for reasons unknown
>Sisko goes into the Mirror Universe to assist in a last stand against the Mirror Borg, which fails
>Sisko accepts that the Borg are unstoppable, and there was nothing anyone could have done at Wolf 359
>Sisko pleads with the Prophets to open the Mirror Wormhole so that Mirror Universe refugees can escape through it
>bleak depressing downer ending when the Mirror Wormhole opens and Mirror Borg cubes from the Mirror Gamma Quadrant fly out
>all hope is lost, the entire Mirror Galaxy is assimilated by the Mirror Borg
>Sisko escapes back to the normal universe with a handful of refugees, including Mirror Jadzia so Terry Farrell can be on the show part-time
You should slam your fingers in a piano for letting them write that shit.
Give me one good reason why you wouldn't enjoy seeing a Total Borg Victory instead of their usual jobbing.
because your dipshit story closes out a long standing and developed universe seen across several series. Also, mirror universe Borg would just be the Amish.
>Also, mirror universe Borg would just be the Amish.
Are the Klingons not warriors in the Mirror Universe? Are the Cardassians not pricks in the Mirror Universe? Are Vulcans not logical in the Mirror Universe? Not every species is a complete opposite.
>mirror universe Borg would just be the Amish.
Now that is an interesting idea..
>Your wittling skills and pie recipies shall be added to our own
>Instead of a space cube they have a giant barn
I never cared for DS9's mirror universe episodes
Hot hot hot. "She" really looks like a troon at times tho
> "She" really looks like a troon at times tho
Her normal hair is a turnoff and she sometimes looks like a man who has had a mustache for years and suddenly shaves it off.
Borg didn't talk and that's all they had on that show.
Why would this show rehash the borg when the entire point was to do something different and unfamiliar? The Q episode felt moronic and out of place, as with any other pandering to TNGgays
Meanwhile, Voyager brought the Q back for multiple episodes, including a civil war and giving John de Lancie a son. And then Troi. And then Riley.
OTOH, because of the Q we got to see Jeri Ryan topless from behind, so all is forgiven.
The Q Civil Wars eps were good. Having John DeLancie wasn't necessary, but him being there didn't not make sense. And the ep where the Q wanted to die was good too.
>And the ep where the Q wanted to die was good too
Was one of the few cross over episodes with Riker. I think Brocoli and Quark were the only other crossovers
Nevermind Diana and Geordi made appearances too
>Geordi
Geordi appearance was erased from the timeline though.
Going the other way, Tuvok is a background character in a DS9 mirror universe episode.
When does Geordi appear?
>When does Geordi appear?
Timeless
He's a captain of a galaxy class i think trying to stop Kim and Chakotay from changing the time line
>Timeless
This was a great ep. One thing that made me laugh was when Kim said something like "we were welcome back to Earth as heroes. An Admiral wanted me to marry his daughter". So a fricking Admiral in StarFleet was pimping out his daughter?
There's a fan conspiracy theory that star fleet ranking officials are comprised of a ruling elite class. An admiral wedding his daughter to a publicity figure falls in line with that
>Tuvok is a background character in a DS9 mirror universe episode.
Wasn't he also in the next gen episode where those crooks try to take over the enterprise during a baryon sweep?
And I'm pretty sure tuvok was also in one of the next gen movies.. don't remember him in ds9 though
Maybe? It might have been Tim Russ and not Tuvok the character since TNG ended before VOY began.
Don’t think he was in a TNG movie.
In DS9 he’s a background character with one line of dialog and isn’t important, just a blink-and-you’ll miss-it thing.
The horrors of The Dominion War badly damaged Federation ethical standards.
he was definitly in the movie generations, and they did a homage to it in the voyager episode 'flashback'
i didn't know he played a klingon though, but he was in the mirror universe episode, you're right
he played mirror Tuvok too
he plays a few parts in tng and ds9.
And also nog, general martok and Brunt, FCA were also in voyager
>And the ep where the Q wanted to die was good too.
I'll accept Voyager's existence because it spawned that episode.
>Why does God need a starship?
How do you respond without sounding mad?
this thread is now about why we never got a DS9 movie and no what we left behind doesn't count.
a ds0 movie would be too simmilar to mall rats.
Not popular enough.
>DS9 movie but it's just a 90-minute version of Trials and Tribble-ations (plus some scene with Sulu from a different episode spliced in somehow)
Ahhh... kino.
we're like eighteen months away from AI being good enough to pull it off, so stick around.
That would've have been kino. I wish it was tradition to make movies on every Star Trek show. I would put up with a Voyager movie if it meant we got a few (or even at least one) DS9 movie
DS9 told a complete story, a movie wouldn't really have served a purpose. TOS ended before its time, and TNG refrained from evolving the characters too much during its run so there was still somewhere to take them with the movies. But what would you do with a DS9 movie? Do what would essentially be a remake of The Visitor? Undo Odo's final character defining act? Send Bashir after section 31 again?
Why would they?
>there are pieces of human garbage in this thread that recommend skipping entire seasons of TNG (the best trek)
I am amazed that other than the baseball episode, was not a single Vulcan character in DS9. Was this intentional?
There were plenty of Romulans and they're basically the same thing
Theyre just overemotional humans with pointy ears. They are not
both have pointy ears and green blood, what more do you want?
how sure are you
There;a a Vulcan in the last season who’s killing people on DS9 for smiling.
Vulcans hog the screen time on the other shows. This one wanted to have other aliens get more of the spotlight.
there was a vulcan female in the maquis.
Hey you know what would be funny to see on whatever nu-trek is out right now? Borg Bjork! They could call her Bjorg.
We need more andorian content!
We need more BETTER andorian content.
The only way you will get better andorian content is Enterprise getting the elusive 5th season that would make Shran appear in almost all the episodes being part of Starfleet.
Can it be saved?
i just watched the crossover ep where kira meets herself.
Read the fanfic where Kira rims herself.
That's calls Picard Season 3
I am very sure this was the actual Doctor and not Whoopi.
gape trek
Discovery was running simultaneously and they got the borg plot. DS9 would have interfered with it.
*Voyager
First Contact originally began with the Borg Cube coming emerging unexpectedly from the DS9 wormhole.
...Hence Worf chasing it in the Defiant right from the beginning
what were they giggling about?
Riker dick
They were giggling, anon - not overcome with existential shock and awe
But it was white
There was a transporter accident. He got two of em.
Can we stop trolling about star trek now? It's been years.
being interrogated by curious Tal Shiar women
more like the bore
Anons are becoming embarrassed.
They would have been slapped down by Ben Sisko's pimp hand so knew better to stay away.
>Take a few hits
>Adjust
’”Lower your shields so we can assimilate that Romulan cloaking device.”
>Defiant
>
>Ship designed to fight the Borg
>It does this by being:
>Small
and goofy looking!
>Having slightly better shields
Borg cutting beams literally slice up planets
>Being invisible sometimes
The Borg ignore small ships until they fire on them... And the Defiant can't fire while cloaked... Sooooo even if the Borg can't detect cloaked ships, that's completely fricking useless.
Goes up against the Borg one time and is taken out instantly by a single Cube.
Genuinely pathetic.
Most embarrassing Defiant.
Even the Defiant that got sucked into another dimension and created the Mirror Universe was less embarrassing.
It was designed to fight the Borg. Not necessarily win against the Borg. The idea was that the Defiant could take several more hits from a Borg cube compared to something like a Miranda or Excelsior. And it being small and agile enough to avoid Borg beams. To make it harder to hit.
It's designed to fight the Borg by being part of a fleet of ships. It takes fewer resources to manufacture a Defiant-class ship, so you could build an entire fleet of Defiant-class ships with fewer resources than any other fleet.
... Except for the one-of-a-kind cloaking device and the ultra rare ablative shielding.
Without that it's just a big runabout, only slightly more useless.
Also had strong pulse weapons.
>Designed to fight, not to win
Lol
And it didn't help.
Pathetic embarrassment of a ship
You forgot Sisko overdesigned the guns and engines to be so powerful that they would rip the ship apart until O'Brien fixed it.
O'Brien's fix wasn't really even a fix either. He basically boosted power to the "structural integrity" fields. The ship was using huge amounts of power just to hold itself together.
Basically using duct tape to hold everything together. The design was still flawed. If the ship lost power, it would still tear itself apart.
Wasn't the Defiant/Worf and his crew fighting the Borg for 3 day straight in that movie?
That isn't mentioned and doesn't seem to match the visible timeline, but if they were: three days of fighting against a single ship with most of Starfleet backing you up and losing doesn't exactly scream "Anti-Borg super weapon"
>Starfleet backing you up and losing doesn't exactly scream "Anti-Borg super weapon"
Well to be fair, the first Borg cube smashed the Wolf 359 fleet with zero effort in a matter of minutes according to DS9.
So the First Contact fleet lasting days against a Borg Cube is a vast improvement. The Borg Cube still made it to Earth, but it was damaged and the Federation Fleet was still fighting it. They weren't stomped into the ground like at Wolf 359.
I'm going to need a source for it being days.
To my shame, I HAVE read the novelization and I don't remember that detail at all. In the movie, it very much seems that the Borg turned up that morning and everything is just a re-run of Wolf 359.
The Cube is only damaged because of Picard's magic Borg-sense.
Starfleet remains completely ineffective against the Borg, and the Defiant doesn't seem any more effective than the bog-standard other ships going up against it.
In First Contact? I don't remember that?
Because the DS9 writers knew what they were doing.
On the topic of a Borg episode where one wasn't necessary, I fricking hate the Borg episode in Enterprise, easily my least favorite episode of the show. It's just the most rote portrayal of them doing all the things you expect them to do with zero effort at all to do something new with them or liven it up in any way. Appearances of the Borg in general just get worse and worse as Star Trek goes on, they should have been relegated to just TNG.
the borg are perfectly fine they way they are. doing something new is irrelevant.
i love the borg in voy.
Star Trek Enterprise had its budget slashed in half. So they had to reuse a lot of costumes and do everything they could to keep expenses down.
At the time, The CEO of Paramount TV supposedly hated sci-fi shows and wanted Star Trek off his network and did everything he could to sabotage the show. This included slashing their budget down every season, and constantly changing the time slot of the show.
Why doesn't the replicator replicate itself?
>The technology is also used for producing spare parts, which makes it possible to repair most ship damage without having to return to a starbase.
So why don't they just replicate a starship?
Replicator is the most OP shit ever and instead they use it for
>tea earl grey hot
Voyager was clearly replicating shuttlecraft and photon torpedos
Unlike what people think, Replicators don't actually create matter from energy.
There is a storage of base materials that gets used up when stuff gets replicated.
>According to an academic thesis: "The so-called 'replicators' can reconstitute matter and produce everything that is needed out of pure energy, no matter whether food, medicaments, or spare parts are required."
>Base materials
Mainly interstellar hydrogen which is picked up by the Bussard Collectors while the ship is in flight.
...Hence "There's coffee in that nebula!"
>There is a storage of base materials that gets used up when stuff gets replicated.
Nope. Star Trek Voyager went over this in a few episodes. Replicators are matter energy conversation. They use power.
>conversation
Conversion* (typo)
There is a TNG episode where they talk about some goo that they store in order to replicate food.
There are also some materials that you can't replicate.
Maybe the tech changed by the time of Voyager. Their replicators only needed power. Every time they replicated an item it drained power. They talk about in depth when Voyager had to ration power.
Nta
I believe that was delta quadrant tech. They didn't have a replicator and ended up getting one somehow.
>[Citation Required]
Jem hoodeer white heroin couldn't be replicated.
Neither can latinum, that's not really the controversial bit of the post
It's not a TNG episode, it's the TNG technical manual.
It says that to make replicators more energy efficient, a pre-processed goo is fed into them containing most of the elements and substances needed for food.
However, this isn't technically needed and is only used for replicating food or similar organic substances.
>Why doesn't the replicator replicate itself?
It does.
>Why don't they use replicators to make ships?
They do.
You can actually see the process of a ship being built at the end of Star Trek: Beyond. It's just a series of big arms replicating parts in place like a huge 3D printer.
See also the Enterprise episode "Dead Stop"
Good talk.
>Star Trek: Beyond
>Canon
Lmao, treklets, when will they learn?
Because they saw a Jake and Sisko episode and hundreds of cubes started to commit suicide from terminal cringe before the Borg Queen was able to rest the neural network.
VOY >>>>> Razor blade enema >>>> DS "it's another Jake and Sisko episode" 9.
Is the average Federation citizen aware that there are multiple cosmic beings and god-like entities roaming the Galaxy, or does the government keep that under wraps for security? Things like the Q, The Prophets, Nagilum and that guy from TNG who wiped out an entire species with a thought because some of them killed his gf
No. A lot of stuff is classified or has access restricted to certain ranks. If Starfleet can keep it hidden, then they will do their best to hide it or put barriers in place to limit access.
I believe knowledge about Q was restricted to Commanders ranks and above. But the Lower Decks Trek cartoon kind of threw all of that out the window by making the main character flawless and having knowledge of everything - even Q.
It is a good think LD isn't canon
I would be led to assume that it's a bit of a mix. Some of it is on a level that only the bridge crew and the admiralty will ever know but surely some trickles down over time. Findings that get reported back that become the subject for scientific papers, stories and tall tales from lower ensigns, official announcements if there were a threat to Earth. Some is very clearly kept sealed away. Sisko is on the far reaches of the frontier but it takes O'Brien to explain the Q to him even if a fair warning might have been in order from command.
Q and Co are always popping up and demanding that humanity prove that we are not evil or violent or animalistic, and threaten to exterminate us if we don't match up to their clearly very high standards.
...Do other species have this happen too?
How do the Klingons and Ferengi and Cardassians do?
Is Q not judging them too?
What does a census of the universe look like? Perhaps the human presence and ideals of the humans puts them on the Q radar as they're the ones trying to be deep space explorers and hold up such high and mighty ideals. Meanwhile the Klingons, Ferengi and Cardassians are just focused on expanding their empires. Maybe too primitive in the eyes of the Q to justify talking to them.
>I'm going to wipe out your species because you are insufficiently evil, and therefore TOO evil!
That sounds like a terrible policy unless you want every sentient lifeform in the universe to be a ravening monster.
They don't have any reason to care for the others. The trial for humanity is brought on because Q sees humans as this squabbling primitive species that thinks they're good enough to go out and see everything the universe has to offer. Meanwhile the other species mentioned don't have that grand vision and won't impact anything aside from a few star systems and maybe shake up a larger trade culture as far as the Ferengi are concerned. Q's argument is just that humanity isn't good enough or smart enough to be in that role. The only thing that changes that for me is knowing for certain just how expansive and large the other species are. We see for certain that humanity and the UFP have been places and seen things they have no right to be involved with but it's unclear what that's like for others.
The Ferengi are buying up wormholes to the other side of the galaxy, the Klingons believe they murdered God, the Romulans are meddling deeper in mad science than anyone else.
They are all troublesome creatures with awfully high opinions of themselves.
... And the Federation isn't just humanity: Do the Vulcans have to justify their existence regularly too? The Betazoids? The Andorians?
And it's not just Q - the Organians are perfectly happy to interfere with the Klingons. Those weird Greek God aliens are messing with the Gorn and who knows who else. Nagilium doesn't seem too picky about who he fricks with.
Could it perhaps be that it's nonsensical to have a godlike entity like Q be obsessed with humans and just humans and that explaining it and defending it just backs you into a corner?
If you take Q at face value. It's probably just a shit test because he actually likes us
You are now imagining John De Lancie as a tsundere woman
Did someone say ... Tsundere?
>gotta bring my homosexualy anime shit into everything even though that stupid fad ended in 2008!
Most of those species are destined to collapse in a time line cold war. I'm pretty sure that happens to most space civs given enough time.
No he only does it humans. It's just a single Q, not the collective. Just his personal obsession I guess.
It might be because humans will at some point become something similar to Q in the future.
>In a 1997 AOL chat with Star Trek fans (archived at Memory Alpha) Co-Executive Producer Ronald D. Moore revealed the reason why the Borg didn't appear in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He said that the DS9 writers' room "pretty much decided to keep away from the Borg on DS9 and [let] Voyager deal with them exclusively." Star Trek: Voyager began in 1995, and with a central premise of a Starfleet vessel stranded in the Borg's home turf of the Delta Quadrant, it was inevitable that the Collective would heavily feature, which they did from season 3 onward.
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-no-borg-reason/
Everytime I play Arx Fatalis with DS9 in the background they always mention Am Sahgar
How would he had handle the borg?
He'd ask the queen for a handy.
Talking them to death with a paradox. In TNG, a topologic paradox was what they came up with to destroy the Borg in "I, Borg".