Its less the criminal aspect and more an admiration for his drive to succeed. That and the cautionary part of the story. You don't want to be like him and the world he's involved in, but you have to admire his tenacity to make something more of himself
that’s a homosexual kneeling for the flag reason
scarface does what he wants
it’s like the social network
a movie where a guy knows what he wants and does it and doesn’t let anything stop him
americans are humiliated ritually by every inch of society 24/7 365 days a year and are ass raped by nonsensical bullshit
we want to be free and say frick you to the system
>a movie where a guy knows what he wants and does it and doesn’t let anything stop him
And look what it got him. He has a whole scene saying that acquiring all that shit didn't make him happy, he's depressed as hell, his life and body are falling apart. The whole point of the movie was to demonstrate what happens when you get involved with that sort of lifestyle without following any kind of rules. He's a loser that lives a shitty life then gets himself and all his friends murdered. They look directly at the screen and say this to you. Pay attention next time.
Yes. But I really like this aspect of the film: he breaks the rules BECAUSE he's not evil enough for it. I really like that. Tony's redemption is in his death, because he earned that death by finally refusing to cross the line. He never should have gotten involved with that life, because he was really just a childish imbecile who wanted to have some fun. I'm not saying he wasn't capable of some real bad shit, but Tony has a morality to him. Killing Manny fricks with him because he did love him and he crossed his own line, he had no problem killing other guys in the same business, other dirty people; but he wasn't some soulless unrepentant killer. Killing someone who wasn't fair game, who truly did not deserve it breaks him. And then the scene with the kids, he could have caved to being broken, went all in and killed the kids, but he refused. It's a bitter redemption because it doesn't absolve him of his past, he dies, but he finally did something principled. He only pays for it because you can't be a half stepper, crime is for the truly evil.
Sosa is an evil fricking prick. Tony's problem was not realizing that he isn't like that himself until it was too late.
>but he finally did something principled.
Nah, the reason many people like Tony is that he was always principled in his own way and never broke those principles for anybody (All I gotta is my balls and my word and I don't break em for nobody is roughly what he tells Sosa). I also am fascinated by Sosa because the movie makes it obvious that Sosa's operation makes Tony look like small fries, remember that scene where he briefs Tony in front of a bunch of other very powerful people. The way he treated Tony was somewhat different from the way he treated the others because at the end of the day, Tony was still an employee and all his boss moves and such made him forget it. Sosa never forgot their relationship, he only gave Tony one chance to not screw up and took him out afterwards regardless of feelings. Sosa's a true psychopath
Yeah, but I’m writing that comment as a bong that despises goverment. My post wasn’t very clear but what I was getting at is a lot of people can somewhat sympathise with anything that operates with it’s middle finger up to the state.
American black people are more American than a lot of white people in terms of seniority. My point only being that that shit isn't restricted to "European heritage," the underdog rebel spirit is inherent to America. The revolution, the defiance of escaped slaves and the Civil rights movement...that's why I think the race war shit here is stupid. There is a tie that binds us all that is pretty unique to this place. Wish everyone could recognize it.
The only problem with it is that when it's good, it represents something like standing up to injustice; but Americans sometimes idolize morally ambiguous or even bad people simply because they're defiant.
It's the ultimate visualization of the American Dream, a zero sum game in which the individual acquires perversely excessive wealth at the expense of others.
everyone can appreciate the fantasy of being powerful and feared enough to do whatever you want. The gangster rise and fall story is liberating and cathartic
We don't have knights or something like that in our mythology. We have rebels, outlaws and the lawmen who fight them. Honestly my hereos as a kid were cowboys action movie law men.
Americans love underdog stories and they're morally ambivalent about who it is.
Scarface is actually a great crime movie though despite it being cheesy. Because Tony fricks his entire life up and pays for it in the end. I think most fans of the movie, that's lost on them. They emulate Tony or lionize him
It's a cautionary tale about fricking around and finding out
Yes. But I really like this aspect of the film: he breaks the rules BECAUSE he's not evil enough for it. I really like that. Tony's redemption is in his death, because he earned that death by finally refusing to cross the line. He never should have gotten involved with that life, because he was really just a childish imbecile who wanted to have some fun. I'm not saying he wasn't capable of some real bad shit, but Tony has a morality to him. Killing Manny fricks with him because he did love him and he crossed his own line, he had no problem killing other guys in the same business, other dirty people; but he wasn't some soulless unrepentant killer. Killing someone who wasn't fair game, who truly did not deserve it breaks him. And then the scene with the kids, he could have caved to being broken, went all in and killed the kids, but he refused. It's a bitter redemption because it doesn't absolve him of his past, he dies, but he finally did something principled. He only pays for it because you can't be a half stepper, crime is for the truly evil.
Sosa is an evil fricking prick. Tony's problem was not realizing that he isn't like that himself until it was too late.
American black people are more American than a lot of white people in terms of seniority. My point only being that that shit isn't restricted to "European heritage," the underdog rebel spirit is inherent to America. The revolution, the defiance of escaped slaves and the Civil rights movement...that's why I think the race war shit here is stupid. There is a tie that binds us all that is pretty unique to this place. Wish everyone could recognize it.
The only problem with it is that when it's good, it represents something like standing up to injustice; but Americans sometimes idolize morally ambiguous or even bad people simply because they're defiant.
>the poster is black and white to represent his moral ambiguity
How am I just realizing this?
>Americans
That's a funny way to spell "black people".
>Americans
That's a funny way to spell "liberals".
>Americans
that's a funny way to spell based
>Americans
im gay
>Americans
That's a funny way to spell "latinx".
the chainsaw scene actually made some people hate this movie
it makes me love the movie. realistic
Its less the criminal aspect and more an admiration for his drive to succeed. That and the cautionary part of the story. You don't want to be like him and the world he's involved in, but you have to admire his tenacity to make something more of himself
that’s a homosexual kneeling for the flag reason
scarface does what he wants
it’s like the social network
a movie where a guy knows what he wants and does it and doesn’t let anything stop him
americans are humiliated ritually by every inch of society 24/7 365 days a year and are ass raped by nonsensical bullshit
we want to be free and say frick you to the system
>it’s like the social network
>a movie where a guy knows what he wants and does
The Facebook guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Network
>a movie where a guy knows what he wants and does it and doesn’t let anything stop him
And look what it got him. He has a whole scene saying that acquiring all that shit didn't make him happy, he's depressed as hell, his life and body are falling apart. The whole point of the movie was to demonstrate what happens when you get involved with that sort of lifestyle without following any kind of rules. He's a loser that lives a shitty life then gets himself and all his friends murdered. They look directly at the screen and say this to you. Pay attention next time.
yeah only because society is stacked against you
learn to gaslight better
Yes. But I really like this aspect of the film: he breaks the rules BECAUSE he's not evil enough for it. I really like that. Tony's redemption is in his death, because he earned that death by finally refusing to cross the line. He never should have gotten involved with that life, because he was really just a childish imbecile who wanted to have some fun. I'm not saying he wasn't capable of some real bad shit, but Tony has a morality to him. Killing Manny fricks with him because he did love him and he crossed his own line, he had no problem killing other guys in the same business, other dirty people; but he wasn't some soulless unrepentant killer. Killing someone who wasn't fair game, who truly did not deserve it breaks him. And then the scene with the kids, he could have caved to being broken, went all in and killed the kids, but he refused. It's a bitter redemption because it doesn't absolve him of his past, he dies, but he finally did something principled. He only pays for it because you can't be a half stepper, crime is for the truly evil.
Sosa is an evil fricking prick. Tony's problem was not realizing that he isn't like that himself until it was too late.
>but he finally did something principled.
Nah, the reason many people like Tony is that he was always principled in his own way and never broke those principles for anybody (All I gotta is my balls and my word and I don't break em for nobody is roughly what he tells Sosa). I also am fascinated by Sosa because the movie makes it obvious that Sosa's operation makes Tony look like small fries, remember that scene where he briefs Tony in front of a bunch of other very powerful people. The way he treated Tony was somewhat different from the way he treated the others because at the end of the day, Tony was still an employee and all his boss moves and such made him forget it. Sosa never forgot their relationship, he only gave Tony one chance to not screw up and took him out afterwards regardless of feelings. Sosa's a true psychopath
I enjoy that explanation, I have the same view of society
To add to that, the outlaw/working against the goverment spirit of it also rings close to home for any based gentleman of European heritage.
Don’t all Americans who aren’t redskins have some heritage?
Yeah, but I’m writing that comment as a bong that despises goverment. My post wasn’t very clear but what I was getting at is a lot of people can somewhat sympathise with anything that operates with it’s middle finger up to the state.
American black people are more American than a lot of white people in terms of seniority. My point only being that that shit isn't restricted to "European heritage," the underdog rebel spirit is inherent to America. The revolution, the defiance of escaped slaves and the Civil rights movement...that's why I think the race war shit here is stupid. There is a tie that binds us all that is pretty unique to this place. Wish everyone could recognize it.
The only problem with it is that when it's good, it represents something like standing up to injustice; but Americans sometimes idolize morally ambiguous or even bad people simply because they're defiant.
>using the state to destroy freedom of association is actually a sign of our underdog rebel spirit
what?
Are you trolling?
It's the ultimate visualization of the American Dream, a zero sum game in which the individual acquires perversely excessive wealth at the expense of others.
everyone can appreciate the fantasy of being powerful and feared enough to do whatever you want. The gangster rise and fall story is liberating and cathartic
>it's a chud power fantasy
We don't have knights or something like that in our mythology. We have rebels, outlaws and the lawmen who fight them. Honestly my hereos as a kid were cowboys action movie law men.
Americans love underdog stories and they're morally ambivalent about who it is.
Scarface is actually a great crime movie though despite it being cheesy. Because Tony fricks his entire life up and pays for it in the end. I think most fans of the movie, that's lost on them. They emulate Tony or lionize him
It's a cautionary tale about fricking around and finding out
>the poster is black and white to represent his moral ambiguity
How am I just realizing this?
because it's freedom (until you get catch)
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been years since i don't do some yayo bros
They demonstrate someone who has the balls to have independent thought from a dependent society.
It's like living in a black and white world where finally you see someone with color.