I just find Medusa/Gorgons specificically pretty hot.Something about the snakes for hair and the ability to petrify a man with a gaze. The right amount of "danger" but still enough "I could frick her"
imagine being the hero on a journey to break her curse, and falling in love along the way, then once the curse is broken looking into her eyes and finding her still the most beautiful woman in the world.
It's the kind of bullshit Greek Gods would pull. >journey to break her curse >they just break the stone gaze curse >because during the whole quest the guy never really saw her, needing to blind himself the whole time >they (and her) expect him to be horrified by her appearance >he's not >because she's still the woman he fell in love with
It's the kind of bullshit Greek Gods would pull. >journey to break her curse >they just break the stone gaze curse >because during the whole quest the guy never really saw her, needing to blind himself the whole time >they (and her) expect him to be horrified by her appearance >he's not >because she's still the woman he fell in love with
There's something wonderful about a prince or hero going off to slay a monster (female) to prove his worth, only to instead make her his wife.
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>The reason there's so many Gorgons running around is cuz one guy pumped so many babies into Medusa after they broke her curse.
There's nothing as pure as the love between a prince or noble and his monster wife.
11 months ago
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Poor Straggletag...
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If this was made today everyone would be saying the shaggy look is hotter than her human look.
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Makes me want to make an anthology of such "storyteller" tales but about based subjects like this thread.
Clash of the Titans, 2010 version. As for context, Medusa is trying to turn a sorcerer to stone but can’t because he replaced his mortal body with magic.
It's the kind of bullshit Greek Gods would pull. >journey to break her curse >they just break the stone gaze curse >because during the whole quest the guy never really saw her, needing to blind himself the whole time >they (and her) expect him to be horrified by her appearance >he's not >because she's still the woman he fell in love with
Medusa's rape is roman fan fic. in the myth she's just another wiener sleeve good 'ol Possie used from time to time
and if i remember right she's Poseidon's aunt once remove/cousin on a second degree
By looking at her reflection in the shield Perseus was able to aim his strike without beholding her full hideousness or, in later hornier versions, beauty.
The mirrored shield is to let you look at her reflection in order to see to fight her without being petrified.
Actually, isn't the look fear based? Like, if I guy had no fear of her, they could look her straight in the eye with no issue. Its sorta like how the penance stare fails if the target has lived a life free of harming others.
No, it's either lethal hideousness, or a lethal paradox of hideousness and beauty, depending on how late and how horny the writer is. Fear or eye contact aren't factors, that's why Perseus had to use the shield even though she was asleep. The implication is that the distorted poor quality reflection made her visage tolerable.
Hmm...would that debunk or confirm the portrayals where she hides her petrifying gaze with sunglasses then. Because on one hand it's implied her eyes are what's stoning people and that's not the case. On the other hand Maybe wearing Sunglasses breaks up her face enough that you'd be able to look at her. Cuz sunglasses do take up about 1/3rd of your face.
Because you only watch remakes that cutify things and forget the historic despiction of the Gorgoneion was basically a fat 50 years old greek housewife.
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Even back in the old days Medusa went through a character redesign. Originally portrayed as a fat ugly hag but after Ovid's revised story where she used to be beautiful and was cursed by the Gods After that there were depictions of her being more attractive.
The greeks has already prettified Medusa well before Ovid got his hands on her.
Pindar predates him by about 500 years.
Can't remember if the serpent trio was first or the poseidon rape story was first. but yeah Classical greek authors reinvented a lot of stuff
Funny thing, the Gorgon is one of the few surviving pre-greek (pre-PIE) mythological creatures from the region. She's unironically older than Zeus
have a dusa
The oldest greek gorgons are the ones with serpent-hair, wings, and human bodies, as far as I know.
The gorgoneion itself is older than even them. >She's unironically older than Zeus
Medusa's precursor seems to be Humbaba(who figures in the Gilgamesh epos and other things). Zeus has his roots in Dyeus of Proto-Indo-European origin. They are both incredibly old.
>Medusa's precursor seems to be Humbaba
The "monstrous grinning face" greek motif is definitely pre-greek, and most likely not mesopotamian - there are traces of it going as far back as archeological sites dating 2000BC
The visual appearance of the early (horrid) Gorgon is straight from these - curls get turned into visually equivalent snakes, and the wings and running pose can be found on Cretan sites.
As for the story itself, it is most likely Anatolian, of the side that was closely related to Mycenean Greece, and has all the callings of a local story - I'm not sure how related to Humbaba we can make it - Humbaba's role is that of guardian, incidental to Gilgamesh's quest for Cedar, while Perseus specifically goes slay Medusa at the request of a king.
What we can discern for sure: Somewhere in 1500BC there existed a sort of vaguely defined "winged grinning goblin" creature that fulfilled the same role as the Gorgoneion, during 700 BC it became really popular as an old winged woman and by 500 it flanderized into a hot woman, specially after Ovid gave her the snake pubes.
btw, modern depictions of the lower half body as an actual snake are inspired from Hindu Nagas, a wholly different thing. Ancient greek depictions of the snake body were very few, iirc Roman, and most likely inspired from India too.
Yep. Gorgon was originally said to have bronze wings along with snake hair and the other features. They were typically bat wings in art, but Nasu/Fate gang obviously took it in a different direction for her F/GO appearance.
Even back in the old days Medusa went through a character redesign. Originally portrayed as a fat ugly hag but after Ovid's revised story where she used to be beautiful and was cursed by the Gods After that there were depictions of her being more attractive.
Because you only watch remakes that cutify things and forget the historic despiction of the Gorgoneion was basically a fat 50 years old greek housewife.
What's PIE? And what other pre-greek mythological creatures from that area are there? Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
>What's PIE?
Pre-Indo-European, ie the people who lived in Greece before the proto-Hellenic speakers arrived >Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
Rhea, Themis, and Mnemosyne were worshipped in Greece. The Romans conflated Cronus with their own deity Saturn, who was quite important.
>What's PIE?
Proto Indo-Europeans, aka the Kurgan / Yamnaya (burial mound) culture.
Know for inventing the chariot, being steppe nomads and subjugating the entirety of ancient Europe and like 3/4ths of India and having 1/3rd of the world's languages, greek, latin, germanic, hindi, etc descend from them. They were sorta religious zealots and brought their storm & sky god centric pantheon with them wherever they went. They arrived to Greece and kickstarted Mikenaean civilization around 1700BC
>And what other pre-greek mythological creatures from that area are there?
Pic related.
The oldest coherent (neé understandable) archeological finds we have are of antient Cretans aka Minoans from 2000BCish, who weren't greek, but we don't know if they actually colonized pre-greek Greece or understand much of their language really, we know that MAYBE the Gorgon, Artemis and Persephone & Demeter's myth could originate from there.
Don't worry tho'. Any monster girls they had most likely followed the Mesopotamian trend of "take an animal -> slap a woman's head on it".
> Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
Most greek Titans and Primordial deities were invented from whole cloth in Hesiod's Theogony (700BC).
Hesiod basically gathers a Hittite myth, Song of Kumarbi, and a LOT of local folk tradition and popular names used at the time and compiled them in a genealogy. A handful of titans most likely existed as independent gods in some cities / rural areas and their worship was not much different from the rest of the greek pantheon, then got retooled into necessary branches of the genealogic narratives or anthropomorphic stand-ins for objects / human emotions (see: Oceanus's kid and Eris, Ares, Athena as wicked/neutral/righteous aspects of warfare). The most important ones ie Cronos, Ouranos, Gaia, Rhea, are most likely made on the spot.
Fun note: The Hittite (ancient (PIE) Anatolians) Song of Kumarbi is a translation of a potentially pre-PIE myth by the Anatolian Hurrians (ancient Armenians), most likely made in the Mitanni kingdom, who basically coined the thing as a mythification of their victory over Sumero-Akkadian / Babylonian (Ancient Iraqi) hegemony, tracing Titans' conceptual origins of "previous gods" to nearly 1500 BC.
>an on how Hesiod made up gods in the Theogony?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titans
Just read up on the titans and the titanomachy and how it relates to the Song of Kummarbi. You will most likely end up reading about a lot of ancient empires
> Any place I can fin more info on PIE culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
Actually getting in depth on PIEs is a highly autistic endeavor that's currently saturated by archeogenetics research, I don't really recommend it.
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The greeks has already prettified Medusa well before Ovid got his hands on her.
Pindar predates him by about 500 years.
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The oldest greek gorgons are the ones with serpent-hair, wings, and human bodies, as far as I know.
The gorgoneion itself is older than even them. >She's unironically older than Zeus
Medusa's precursor seems to be Humbaba(who figures in the Gilgamesh epos and other things). Zeus has his roots in Dyeus of Proto-Indo-European origin. They are both incredibly old.
I don't know if it's accurate, but I once saw someone say that in a later version of the myth Medusa's severed head stayed alive and Perseus talked with her. In that version supposedly he was able to see her by looking directly into her eyes because it was the snakes that turned people into stone.
Entirely possible. Really the part the stuck with me the most was the bit about avoiding the curse by looking her in the eyes and ignoring the monstrous aspects inflicted on her. Feels romantic.
>Hair Sneks all have separate, defined personalities. >one of them is clearly moronic
We did miss out, nobody wants to put this kind if effort into anything anymore.
A few years ago I wanted to make Gorgons from around the world but only made it to two.
this one.
It's not something I generally see, though. There's a lot of snakes to draw and most people probably can't tell the difference. I've only seen one consistent type of snake in medusa hair, as in any one medusa will have all her hair as the same snake.
You are thinking of Io, Arachne was cursed by Athena because she beat her in a weaving contest.
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I was pretty sure that some woman/girl proclaimed loudly to be the most beautiful one of the country (or world or so) and that either Hera or Zeus cursed her for her arrogance to become Medusa
You are thinking of Psyche, or possibly Myrrha, who were cursed by Aphrodite for rivalling her in beauty even though neither one of them boasted of it herself.
Most greek gods are c**ts in most stories.
...
Is there another mythology where every god is just a horrible c**t?
>Most greek gods are c**ts in most stories.
You're thinking... no wait, you nailed it.
Zeus fricked her on an altar and Hera (maybe Aphrodite or Athena) cursed her. One of the big facts about the Medusa myth is that she's eternally pregnant and when she dies, Pegasus comes out of her neck.
You are thinking of Arachne, Medusa was cursed by Athena because she was raped by Poseidon in one of her temples.
Zeus fricked her on an altar and Hera (maybe Aphrodite or Athena) cursed her. One of the big facts about the Medusa myth is that she's eternally pregnant and when she dies, Pegasus comes out of her neck.
I was pretty sure that some woman/girl proclaimed loudly to be the most beautiful one of the country (or world or so) and that either Hera or Zeus cursed her for her arrogance to become Medusa
And this is why she needs to have a hero fall in love with her anyway, and in the end even find her monstrous appearance beautiful because it is her.
>her b***hiness initially manifests as arrogance and haughtiness, something of an alpha-b***h in the temple hierarchy >gets Poseidon’d and then Athena’d >bitchiness now manifests as bitterness >suddenly Perseus >bitchiness is gradually cured by going on an adventure with a man she finds herself gradually falling in love with
Medusa was beautiful, but she didn't proclaim herself to be beautiful, nor was she cursed for it. That was Arachne.
Medusa's story is that she was a priestess of Athena, and was either seduced or raped by Poseidon in the Temple of Athena, which led to Athena cursing her and turning her into a gorgon. Athena then later sent Perseus to kill Medusa.
Most of the Greek pantheon are complete petty b***hes. It’s funny because despite being portrayed as the “evil” god, Hades is probably the best person of them. He doesn’t give a shit about the mortal drama, he just wants to do his job. Percy Jackson did this really well, they accuse him of being the bad guy and he’s just like “I don’t give a shit frick off”
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The Norse Gods were the result of a bunch of cold and wet Vikings sitting around a small campfire in the middle of a snowstorm, looking around themselves, and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this."
The Greek Gods were the result of the Greek looking at themselves and going "Man, we're AWESOME! Surely we must have been made in the image of the Gods!"
And thus you end up with Gods who are petty spiteful mysogynistic arseholes who don't have a family tree, but a family tumbleweed.
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Are the norse gods evil?
I thought they pretty much left humans alone because Ragnarok was a bigger concern.
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Odin found time to dick around with humans but not in a malevolent sense. Thor, of course, kills trolls which makes him a protector of humanity.
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Yeah, Odin only fricked with humans as tests of character, and only punished them when they failed. The most famous example is him wandering the world as an old man asking for hospitality.
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Stuff like pump and dumping that one girl to get at the mead of poetry and deliberately conspiring to cheat the stonemason who built the wall of Asgard were pretty shitty
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Not evil, but definitely jerks. Just not towards humans. The most famous three (Odin, Loki, and Thor) were the three types of fricking shit up. Odin fricked himself up to gain some obscure advantage over his opponents. Loki fricked situations up and everyone felt the consequences. And Thor got mad and fricked other people up physically. Nearly every Norse myth has a deal that the gods double-crossed on, a robbery, and multiple murders. It's just not as apparent because the victims were other gods and giants.
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The aesir regularly do shit that makes Odin go >we're definitely going to pay for that one later
and then continue doing it
The walls of Asgard, the imprisonment of Fenrir, and a bunch of other shit. They rarely fricked around with regular mortals too much but they 100% fricked over other non-humans.
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>The aesir regularly do shit that makes Odin go >we're definitely going to pay for that one later
Yes well >non-humans
It's clearly their own fault for being inferiors wasn't the wall thing because of Loki not keeping his mouth shut during negotiations and promising something the Aesir didn't want to give? Can't blame the aesir for jotunn... though I suppose Loki's a divine mulatto since his mom is goddess... I think, it's been a long time.
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I think the sequence was Aesir want wall, Stonemason wants Freya in return, Aesir don’t want that, Loki pipes up with making the arrangement a wager where to get Freya the mason has to build wall in impossible timeframe, Aesir and Mason agree, “no way he’ll ever do it”, “oh frick he’s actually doing it”, Aesir say they’ll kick Loki’s ass if he doesn’t do something about it
It really comes across as the gods completely using Loki as a scapegoat in that instance since they readily agreed to use his idea rather than it being something he did against their counsel
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They also welshed on the bet when they discovered the stonemason was a giant and just had Thor cave his head in.
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Damn, that’s a raw deal.
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>The Norse Gods were the result of a bunch of cold and wet Vikings sitting around a small campfire in the middle of a snowstorm, looking around themselves, and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this."
So Norse Paganism is proto Gnosticism?
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>and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this.
Completely wrong here. All accounts the old Norse talk about them basically behaving like Born Again Christians about their Gods, including gloating to foreigners that "their gods love them unlike yours"
No surprise they assimilated mr crossman so easily.
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>"Man, we're AWESOME! Surely we must have been made in the image of the Gods!"
Greek belief about the Gods was basically they were forces of nature that cannot be truly opposed and are used mostly as aesops where they get really pissy at breaking taboos.
quote Sappho: "To me he's like a God" when seething at a male noble who cucked her out of her crush.
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If I remember right, the worst thing he did was ask Zeus to marry Demeter's daughter, and marry her.
Then when Demeter threw a fit about it, he gave her back. But because he hadn't starved her daughter, she had to go back to Hades for 6 months out of the year.
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He did rape her, but that's like saying hello in ancient Greece. Other than that he mostly kept to himself.
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He had consent from zeus
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He did rape=old way to say KIDNAP her, not sexually violate her.
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Yes, and what do you think he did afterwards?
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Old version of rape = run away with a woman to some faraway island and frick like rabbits for a couple of weeks.
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Old version of rape = kidnap your bride to be, if she's happy about it that's just icing.
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Hades definitely got her icing.
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Nothing sexual, otherwise there wouldn't have been need of the whole "for of underworld" thing to keep Persephone.
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not to mention he gives perseus his Helmet, one of the "big 3" proofs of divine sovereignty and one of the most OP tools of power in the myths,
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I don't think Hades was actually portrayed as "evil" by the Greeks, most of that is Christian revisionism since he's associated with the Underworld thus Satan same as God has similar depictions as Zeus/Jupiter.
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Kind of a nice thought. You go to the underworld and you meet this super chill god who's like "Man can you believe all those buttholes up there? Haha. Enjoy your stay."
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It's a bit more complicated than that since the Underworld generally seemed to suck for anyone that wasn't a Hero that got to enter the exclusive Elysium Fields. Kinda the same deal with the Egyptian and Norse afterlives, if you weren't rich and powerful in life you got frick all after death. I think that's one of the main reasons Christianity exploded in popularity, it was the common man's afterlife.
There is an alternative reading of the story too, that suggests that Athena cursed her not to punish her for getting raped, but to give her the capacity to defend herself from it happening again.
'dusa before getting the name was a talisman usually used as household's guardian spirit
The mythification of Medusa as a personage part of the Perseus myth happened in the 900s-800s BC, depending on whether Hesiod compiled her story or came up with her himself.
In the 800sh years between Hesiod and Ovid (who did not give her the snake pubes, but did have her a be human woman), Medusa was a demigod born of cthnonic titans. In either version Poseidon bangs her.
I *need* a romance between Perseus and Medusa so fricking badly. Them against the Gods, using their love to break the curse that plagues her, and him never being able to see her due to a blindfold.
Cinemaphile help, what was that comedy webcomic starring some female relative of Heracles? I ask because this reminded me of a scene where she went to visit him shortly after he murdered his kids.
because in most of those stories the monsters were originally humans who were either so hot the gods wanted to frick them and they said no, or the gods were jealous of how hot they were and in both cases they were punished by getting turned into a monster
Because women are monstrous on the inside but beautiful on the outside and you think that if they're monstrous on the outside they'll be beautiful on the inside
i too would frick a gorgon. i am very warm natured and radiate heat well. i would be a great subsitute for the heat lamp in a terrarium. in this essay, i will....
I have children. If your child is actually that chubby as anything more than a toddler, you're a shit parent and you're overfeeding them. Looking at the slight paunch on the mom, I'm guess that's just the artist's fetish.
Because you're starved of human touch.
Correlation does not equal causation.
But he wants non-humans?
They're misfits, just like you.
I just find Medusa/Gorgons specificically pretty hot.Something about the snakes for hair and the ability to petrify a man with a gaze. The right amount of "danger" but still enough "I could frick her"
imagine being the hero on a journey to break her curse, and falling in love along the way, then once the curse is broken looking into her eyes and finding her still the most beautiful woman in the world.
Imagine Medusa losing her composure after being called beautiful after years of being treated like a horrible ugly monster.
It's the kind of bullshit Greek Gods would pull.
>journey to break her curse
>they just break the stone gaze curse
>because during the whole quest the guy never really saw her, needing to blind himself the whole time
>they (and her) expect him to be horrified by her appearance
>he's not
>because she's still the woman he fell in love with
>The reason there's so many Gorgons running around is cuz one guy pumped so many babies into Medusa after they broke her curse.
And that is the heroic Perseus we could have had.
There's something wonderful about a prince or hero going off to slay a monster (female) to prove his worth, only to instead make her his wife.
There's nothing as pure as the love between a prince or noble and his monster wife.
Poor Straggletag...
If this was made today everyone would be saying the shaggy look is hotter than her human look.
Makes me want to make an anthology of such "storyteller" tales but about based subjects like this thread.
When she orgasms, do the snakes climax too?
I really truly hope so.
>Why dont you turn to stone?
>Im already rock hard, baby
What's this?
Clash of the Titans, 2010 version. As for context, Medusa is trying to turn a sorcerer to stone but can’t because he replaced his mortal body with magic.
Ah
So he was already hard
Beauty and the Beast but in ancient Greece, Perseus is Belle, Medusa the beast and Athena Gaston.
I'd watch/read it. Especially if
is the shit that Athena pulls at the end.
How does Poseidon fit in to all of this, considering the whole rape thing?
Medusa's rape is roman fan fic. in the myth she's just another wiener sleeve good 'ol Possie used from time to time
and if i remember right she's Poseidon's aunt once remove/cousin on a second degree
Medusa doesn't petrify with a gaze, that's a conflation with the basilisk which kills with a look. Medusa petrifies anyone who looks at her.
So a mirrored shield wasn't needed?
Just any old shield that would block your view of looking at her?
The mirrored shield is to let you look at her reflection in order to see to fight her without being petrified.
By looking at her reflection in the shield Perseus was able to aim his strike without beholding her full hideousness or, in later hornier versions, beauty.
He doesn't fight her, he kills her in her sleep.
>Perseus was able to aim his strike
>He doesn't fight her
This is the half of the battle that's violence, anon.
Tell it to the judge
Actually, isn't the look fear based? Like, if I guy had no fear of her, they could look her straight in the eye with no issue. Its sorta like how the penance stare fails if the target has lived a life free of harming others.
No, it's either lethal hideousness, or a lethal paradox of hideousness and beauty, depending on how late and how horny the writer is. Fear or eye contact aren't factors, that's why Perseus had to use the shield even though she was asleep. The implication is that the distorted poor quality reflection made her visage tolerable.
Hmm...would that debunk or confirm the portrayals where she hides her petrifying gaze with sunglasses then. Because on one hand it's implied her eyes are what's stoning people and that's not the case. On the other hand Maybe wearing Sunglasses breaks up her face enough that you'd be able to look at her. Cuz sunglasses do take up about 1/3rd of your face.
>medusa clark kent's her shit to blend in and it works because 'obviously medusa would've already turned us to stone!'
Uhm... artist/source, by any chance?
Rejoice! My quest have been succesful.
https://nitter.privacydev.net/scubabyy/status/1355146178250346500#m
>lesbians
Fricking DISGUSTING.
How are you meant to fill her up with gorgonlings like that?
I'm pretty sure that's Tiresias so just wait seven years.
Any love for the kitsune (seven-tail fox girl) in this thread?
Kek
Medusa is my favorite monster waifu.
She makes me hard.
Because you only watch remakes that cutify things and forget the historic despiction of the Gorgoneion was basically a fat 50 years old greek housewife.
The greeks has already prettified Medusa well before Ovid got his hands on her.
Pindar predates him by about 500 years.
The oldest greek gorgons are the ones with serpent-hair, wings, and human bodies, as far as I know.
The gorgoneion itself is older than even them.
>She's unironically older than Zeus
Medusa's precursor seems to be Humbaba(who figures in the Gilgamesh epos and other things). Zeus has his roots in Dyeus of Proto-Indo-European origin. They are both incredibly old.
>Medusa's precursor seems to be Humbaba
The "monstrous grinning face" greek motif is definitely pre-greek, and most likely not mesopotamian - there are traces of it going as far back as archeological sites dating 2000BC
The visual appearance of the early (horrid) Gorgon is straight from these - curls get turned into visually equivalent snakes, and the wings and running pose can be found on Cretan sites.
As for the story itself, it is most likely Anatolian, of the side that was closely related to Mycenean Greece, and has all the callings of a local story - I'm not sure how related to Humbaba we can make it - Humbaba's role is that of guardian, incidental to Gilgamesh's quest for Cedar, while Perseus specifically goes slay Medusa at the request of a king.
What we can discern for sure: Somewhere in 1500BC there existed a sort of vaguely defined "winged grinning goblin" creature that fulfilled the same role as the Gorgoneion, during 700 BC it became really popular as an old winged woman and by 500 it flanderized into a hot woman, specially after Ovid gave her the snake pubes.
http://saa.uaic.ro/prehistoric-gorgoneia-a-critical-reassessment/
btw, modern depictions of the lower half body as an actual snake are inspired from Hindu Nagas, a wholly different thing. Ancient greek depictions of the snake body were very few, iirc Roman, and most likely inspired from India too.
So that's where the wings come from
Yep. Gorgon was originally said to have bronze wings along with snake hair and the other features. They were typically bat wings in art, but Nasu/Fate gang obviously took it in a different direction for her F/GO appearance.
>http://saa.uaic.ro/prehistoric-gorgoneia-a-critical-reassessment/
She's got a more recent article worth checking out: https://www.jaha.org.ro/index.php/JAHA/article/viewFile/741/463
Ancient depictions also had her as a centaur.
>and forget the historic despiction of the Gorgoneion was basically a fat 50 years old greek housewife.
Muh dick
MILFdusa, you say?
Even back in the old days Medusa went through a character redesign. Originally portrayed as a fat ugly hag but after Ovid's revised story where she used to be beautiful and was cursed by the Gods After that there were depictions of her being more attractive.
meant for
Can't remember if the serpent trio was first or the poseidon rape story was first. but yeah Classical greek authors reinvented a lot of stuff
Funny thing, the Gorgon is one of the few surviving pre-greek (pre-PIE) mythological creatures from the region. She's unironically older than Zeus
have a dusa
What's PIE? And what other pre-greek mythological creatures from that area are there? Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
>What's PIE?
Pre-Indo-European, ie the people who lived in Greece before the proto-Hellenic speakers arrived
>Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
Rhea, Themis, and Mnemosyne were worshipped in Greece. The Romans conflated Cronus with their own deity Saturn, who was quite important.
>What's PIE?
Proto Indo-Europeans, aka the Kurgan / Yamnaya (burial mound) culture.
Know for inventing the chariot, being steppe nomads and subjugating the entirety of ancient Europe and like 3/4ths of India and having 1/3rd of the world's languages, greek, latin, germanic, hindi, etc descend from them. They were sorta religious zealots and brought their storm & sky god centric pantheon with them wherever they went. They arrived to Greece and kickstarted Mikenaean civilization around 1700BC
>And what other pre-greek mythological creatures from that area are there?
Pic related.
The oldest coherent (neé understandable) archeological finds we have are of antient Cretans aka Minoans from 2000BCish, who weren't greek, but we don't know if they actually colonized pre-greek Greece or understand much of their language really, we know that MAYBE the Gorgon, Artemis and Persephone & Demeter's myth could originate from there.
Don't worry tho'. Any monster girls they had most likely followed the Mesopotamian trend of "take an animal -> slap a woman's head on it".
> Did the Titans and other mothers (maybe made so after the fact, like christians did with pagans) have actual altars and worshippers?
Most greek Titans and Primordial deities were invented from whole cloth in Hesiod's Theogony (700BC).
Hesiod basically gathers a Hittite myth, Song of Kumarbi, and a LOT of local folk tradition and popular names used at the time and compiled them in a genealogy. A handful of titans most likely existed as independent gods in some cities / rural areas and their worship was not much different from the rest of the greek pantheon, then got retooled into necessary branches of the genealogic narratives or anthropomorphic stand-ins for objects / human emotions (see: Oceanus's kid and Eris, Ares, Athena as wicked/neutral/righteous aspects of warfare). The most important ones ie Cronos, Ouranos, Gaia, Rhea, are most likely made on the spot.
Fun note: The Hittite (ancient (PIE) Anatolians) Song of Kumarbi is a translation of a potentially pre-PIE myth by the Anatolian Hurrians (ancient Armenians), most likely made in the Mitanni kingdom, who basically coined the thing as a mythification of their victory over Sumero-Akkadian / Babylonian (Ancient Iraqi) hegemony, tracing Titans' conceptual origins of "previous gods" to nearly 1500 BC.
That's honestly cool. Any place I can fin more info on PIE culture, an on how Hesiod made up gods in the Theogony?
>an on how Hesiod made up gods in the Theogony?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titans
Just read up on the titans and the titanomachy and how it relates to the Song of Kummarbi. You will most likely end up reading about a lot of ancient empires
> Any place I can fin more info on PIE culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
Actually getting in depth on PIEs is a highly autistic endeavor that's currently saturated by archeogenetics research, I don't really recommend it.
Thanks, anon
>can't romance dusa because the voice actress was uncomfortable with it
in a better world this is the shit you would fire people over
Remember when actors were hired based on their talents?
Ovid is fanfiction.
Syncretism is gay.
Are her pubes snakes too?
Do you think Medusa's snakes are venomous? Is Medusa herself venomous?
I will not have a medusa phase again
I will not have a medusa phase again
I will not have a medusa phase again
Snake influence means no gag reflex
Snake hair means more tongues
A snake's throat is lined with sharp needle-like teeth. It wouldn't be a good time.
I didn't think you'd try to face-frick her hair
Or do you mean she also swallows prey whole and thus has throat-teeth?
I mean that if snake influence gives her humanoid head no gag reflex, she probably also has horrific throat teeth.
On real snakes, those teeth are on secondary jaw bones. She'd be able to control whether they bite or not.
Because the animators are horny and don't want to make female monsters into unfrickable abominations like they should be.
Unfrickable sounds like a "you" problem.
I don't know if it's accurate, but I once saw someone say that in a later version of the myth Medusa's severed head stayed alive and Perseus talked with her. In that version supposedly he was able to see her by looking directly into her eyes because it was the snakes that turned people into stone.
They may be conflating the Medusa story with some other myth with a talking head
Entirely possible. Really the part the stuck with me the most was the bit about avoiding the curse by looking her in the eyes and ignoring the monstrous aspects inflicted on her. Feels romantic.
>never ever
Cute.
was this a concept of Faust's medusa?
Yes. Pretty sure it was done by James Baxter.
According to Faust this was done after her departure when the movie was going to have a more Disney-like look in contrast of her more cartooney idea
I like the animation here, feels very bouncy.
That's the power of James Baxter, baby.
>Hair Sneks all have separate, defined personalities.
>one of them is clearly moronic
We did miss out, nobody wants to put this kind if effort into anything anymore.
It's not fair...
So instead of this we got...(image related)
Hollywood is so moronic sometimes.
I thought that was with Popeye
does she have snubes (snake pubes)
A few years ago I wanted to make Gorgons from around the world but only made it to two.
Lazy snakes! Wake up!!
>sneks keep yawning during the tea ceremony
Geishgon? Gorgeisha?
Cute
Is this in Hercules or Little Mermaid?
Herc.
Why would any good man want an ugly monster when you could have a perfect, prim, and graceful, princess?
A princess hides her ugliness on the inside
This is why we need stories about a prince having to choose between a princess, and her "ugly" monster girl maid.
My waifu can beat up your waifu.
You now remember Modest Medusa.
The pro-troony, please vote Biden, I allow only comments that suit me, comic.
What the hell, this thing continued to this day?
What amusing is how it mutated from a simple gag strip to a super-serious action full-pager.
Palutena turning into stone got me into my petrification fetish
WIP. Bat wings are hard as a motherfricker.
Looking really neat.
Has there ever been a medusa pic where each head snake is a different species?
Well there is
this one.
It's not something I generally see, though. There's a lot of snakes to draw and most people probably can't tell the difference. I've only seen one consistent type of snake in medusa hair, as in any one medusa will have all her hair as the same snake.
The concept art for Daikatana’s Medusa is the best.
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sweet medusa thread
Can't believe nobody's posted it yet.
https://imgur.com/gallery/2pAmR
Ooo
Thats a neat story
Thanks for posting it
Loch Ness monster
Ah yes, the most elusive of FOTMs.
They kinda caked up tho
>A green woman with snakes on head
zzzzz
>A cartoony reptile
I AWAKEN
I ain’t giving you no goddamn tree fiddy
Who made this?
It’s Oglaf.
wasn't Medusa cursed by Hera because she was a beautiful woman that Zeus was paying attention to?
You are thinking of Arachne, Medusa was cursed by Athena because she was raped by Poseidon in one of her temples.
Hmmm. Spidussy or Medussy... Truly a dilemma every man one day must face...
You are thinking of Io, Arachne was cursed by Athena because she beat her in a weaving contest.
You are thinking of Psyche, or possibly Myrrha, who were cursed by Aphrodite for rivalling her in beauty even though neither one of them boasted of it herself.
>Most greek gods are c**ts in most stories.
You're thinking... no wait, you nailed it.
Zeus fricked her on an altar and Hera (maybe Aphrodite or Athena) cursed her. One of the big facts about the Medusa myth is that she's eternally pregnant and when she dies, Pegasus comes out of her neck.
I was pretty sure that some woman/girl proclaimed loudly to be the most beautiful one of the country (or world or so) and that either Hera or Zeus cursed her for her arrogance to become Medusa
And this is why she needs to have a hero fall in love with her anyway, and in the end even find her monstrous appearance beautiful because it is her.
>her b***hiness initially manifests as arrogance and haughtiness, something of an alpha-b***h in the temple hierarchy
>gets Poseidon’d and then Athena’d
>bitchiness now manifests as bitterness
>suddenly Perseus
>bitchiness is gradually cured by going on an adventure with a man she finds herself gradually falling in love with
The greatest love story ever told.
Medusa was beautiful, but she didn't proclaim herself to be beautiful, nor was she cursed for it. That was Arachne.
Medusa's story is that she was a priestess of Athena, and was either seduced or raped by Poseidon in the Temple of Athena, which led to Athena cursing her and turning her into a gorgon. Athena then later sent Perseus to kill Medusa.
I thought Arachne proclaimed herself to be the best weaver, then beat Athena in a contest?
Yes. Athena is an uber b***h in most myths.
Most greek gods are c**ts in most stories.
...
Is there another mythology where every god is just a horrible c**t?
Most of the Greek pantheon are complete petty b***hes. It’s funny because despite being portrayed as the “evil” god, Hades is probably the best person of them. He doesn’t give a shit about the mortal drama, he just wants to do his job. Percy Jackson did this really well, they accuse him of being the bad guy and he’s just like “I don’t give a shit frick off”
The Norse Gods were the result of a bunch of cold and wet Vikings sitting around a small campfire in the middle of a snowstorm, looking around themselves, and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this."
The Greek Gods were the result of the Greek looking at themselves and going "Man, we're AWESOME! Surely we must have been made in the image of the Gods!"
And thus you end up with Gods who are petty spiteful mysogynistic arseholes who don't have a family tree, but a family tumbleweed.
Are the norse gods evil?
I thought they pretty much left humans alone because Ragnarok was a bigger concern.
Odin found time to dick around with humans but not in a malevolent sense. Thor, of course, kills trolls which makes him a protector of humanity.
Yeah, Odin only fricked with humans as tests of character, and only punished them when they failed. The most famous example is him wandering the world as an old man asking for hospitality.
Stuff like pump and dumping that one girl to get at the mead of poetry and deliberately conspiring to cheat the stonemason who built the wall of Asgard were pretty shitty
Not evil, but definitely jerks. Just not towards humans. The most famous three (Odin, Loki, and Thor) were the three types of fricking shit up. Odin fricked himself up to gain some obscure advantage over his opponents. Loki fricked situations up and everyone felt the consequences. And Thor got mad and fricked other people up physically. Nearly every Norse myth has a deal that the gods double-crossed on, a robbery, and multiple murders. It's just not as apparent because the victims were other gods and giants.
The aesir regularly do shit that makes Odin go
>we're definitely going to pay for that one later
and then continue doing it
The walls of Asgard, the imprisonment of Fenrir, and a bunch of other shit. They rarely fricked around with regular mortals too much but they 100% fricked over other non-humans.
>The aesir regularly do shit that makes Odin go
>we're definitely going to pay for that one later
Yes well
>non-humans
It's clearly their own fault for being inferiors
wasn't the wall thing because of Loki not keeping his mouth shut during negotiations and promising something the Aesir didn't want to give? Can't blame the aesir for jotunn... though I suppose Loki's a divine mulatto since his mom is goddess... I think, it's been a long time.
I think the sequence was Aesir want wall, Stonemason wants Freya in return, Aesir don’t want that, Loki pipes up with making the arrangement a wager where to get Freya the mason has to build wall in impossible timeframe, Aesir and Mason agree, “no way he’ll ever do it”, “oh frick he’s actually doing it”, Aesir say they’ll kick Loki’s ass if he doesn’t do something about it
It really comes across as the gods completely using Loki as a scapegoat in that instance since they readily agreed to use his idea rather than it being something he did against their counsel
They also welshed on the bet when they discovered the stonemason was a giant and just had Thor cave his head in.
Damn, that’s a raw deal.
>The Norse Gods were the result of a bunch of cold and wet Vikings sitting around a small campfire in the middle of a snowstorm, looking around themselves, and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this."
So Norse Paganism is proto Gnosticism?
>and going "Only a complete asshat could come up with this.
Completely wrong here. All accounts the old Norse talk about them basically behaving like Born Again Christians about their Gods, including gloating to foreigners that "their gods love them unlike yours"
No surprise they assimilated mr crossman so easily.
>"Man, we're AWESOME! Surely we must have been made in the image of the Gods!"
Greek belief about the Gods was basically they were forces of nature that cannot be truly opposed and are used mostly as aesops where they get really pissy at breaking taboos.
quote Sappho: "To me he's like a God" when seething at a male noble who cucked her out of her crush.
If I remember right, the worst thing he did was ask Zeus to marry Demeter's daughter, and marry her.
Then when Demeter threw a fit about it, he gave her back. But because he hadn't starved her daughter, she had to go back to Hades for 6 months out of the year.
He did rape her, but that's like saying hello in ancient Greece. Other than that he mostly kept to himself.
He had consent
from zeus
He did rape=old way to say KIDNAP her, not sexually violate her.
Yes, and what do you think he did afterwards?
Old version of rape = run away with a woman to some faraway island and frick like rabbits for a couple of weeks.
Old version of rape = kidnap your bride to be, if she's happy about it that's just icing.
Hades definitely got her icing.
Nothing sexual, otherwise there wouldn't have been need of the whole "for of underworld" thing to keep Persephone.
not to mention he gives perseus his Helmet, one of the "big 3" proofs of divine sovereignty and one of the most OP tools of power in the myths,
I don't think Hades was actually portrayed as "evil" by the Greeks, most of that is Christian revisionism since he's associated with the Underworld thus Satan same as God has similar depictions as Zeus/Jupiter.
Kind of a nice thought. You go to the underworld and you meet this super chill god who's like "Man can you believe all those buttholes up there? Haha. Enjoy your stay."
It's a bit more complicated than that since the Underworld generally seemed to suck for anyone that wasn't a Hero that got to enter the exclusive Elysium Fields. Kinda the same deal with the Egyptian and Norse afterlives, if you weren't rich and powerful in life you got frick all after death. I think that's one of the main reasons Christianity exploded in popularity, it was the common man's afterlife.
There is an alternative reading of the story too, that suggests that Athena cursed her not to punish her for getting raped, but to give her the capacity to defend herself from it happening again.
Doesn't gel that well with Athena then helping Perseus kill her afterwards.
The reading that Athena was doing Medusa a solid is modern.
'dusa before getting the name was a talisman usually used as household's guardian spirit
The mythification of Medusa as a personage part of the Perseus myth happened in the 900s-800s BC, depending on whether Hesiod compiled her story or came up with her himself.
In the 800sh years between Hesiod and Ovid (who did not give her the snake pubes, but did have her a be human woman), Medusa was a demigod born of cthnonic titans. In either version Poseidon bangs her.
I *need* a romance between Perseus and Medusa so fricking badly. Them against the Gods, using their love to break the curse that plagues her, and him never being able to see her due to a blindfold.
What if Medusa was a man-hating lesbian instead
Ew. Gay.
then she loses her head
What gods are the only ones who aren't dicks to humans? Prometheus and Thor?
Hades followed the rules and just did his job.
But he's evil because underground = Satan
Isis, Ahura Mazda, Quetzalcoatl, JC ostensibly but he's heavily conflated with his dick dad, the Dagda, some of the less dual-natured Hindu deities.
Hercules, and yes, he was a god to the Romans
Cinemaphile help, what was that comedy webcomic starring some female relative of Heracles? I ask because this reminded me of a scene where she went to visit him shortly after he murdered his kids.
This is great and all, but what about snek*?
* other cursed monster girls are acceptable.
Sneks are Indian!
>Closest we've gotten to dragonfus in this thread is Nessie
Shame on you all
How do you know that's not a dragondo?
Because they're not dragon balls deep in a hummer
Forgot pic
Can you really call yourself a hero if you don't frick (and/or marry and then frick) the monster?
I mean there's honestly wiggle room for context
because in most of those stories the monsters were originally humans who were either so hot the gods wanted to frick them and they said no, or the gods were jealous of how hot they were and in both cases they were punished by getting turned into a monster
Is that Allysaurus?
Because women are monstrous on the inside but beautiful on the outside and you think that if they're monstrous on the outside they'll be beautiful on the inside
Snek is cute
Finished.
Hot damn anon. This fricking rules. I wanna fight her as a boss fight now.
Thanks, the wings were the hardest part.
Damn, anon. Very nice! I love the detailing on her.
>Why do ancient monsters of mythology and legend make the cutest waifus?
Compared to what? modern monsters of mythology and legend?
Yeah
i too would frick a gorgon. i am very warm natured and radiate heat well. i would be a great subsitute for the heat lamp in a terrarium. in this essay, i will....
I have children. If your child is actually that chubby as anything more than a toddler, you're a shit parent and you're overfeeding them. Looking at the slight paunch on the mom, I'm guess that's just the artist's fetish.