>As you age, stress injuries to your wrist, arm, etc. tend to build up.
You know why John Romita Jr.'s art has been so consistent over the last like three decades? He's a chad who lifts weights and probably does stretches and PT. Greg Capullo and Mike Deodato Jr. are swole AF too
>His storytelling
no one in Cinemaphile appreciates that visual aspect of comics. Maybe a handful of people. Most would be content with a bunch of frickin artgerm pinups in panels for 22 pages.
I enjoy good visuals but good writing is more important to me
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see, you don't get it. It's not even about the quality of the art but HOW that story is directed with the art.Writing is important too but if the art isn't guiding the story in a well done way with good panel flow, interesting direction, etc, it's a failure as a visual medium. Equivalent to having amateurs film a master writer's script.
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Oh in that context yeh I agree completely. I think it’s mainly due to the writer and artist being seperate people so there’s less cohesion with the art and writing
He also had like three divorces and needed to pay alimony.
The other thing is he chooses quantity over quality. People don't know this much but Romita senior burned out in the 70's which is why he switched to a more editorial position working Marvel's art dept. Not that he'd ever speak ill of his dad but it's very likely being a penciller nets more money than editorial/staff jobs if you do more pages; which is why he avoided his dad's "pitfall" of being more of a perfectionist in favor of just cranking stuff out
The point you were making is that he’s still good, that image is older the 90 percent of the people on all of Cinemaphile. Nothing he’s made in the last 20 years is anything but hideous dogshit.
And of course nobody is forcing me to do anything you massive homosexual. You made a statement that he’s an example of someone who hasn’t degraded and that’s just not true in any way shape or form. His work has been awful for years now and his flash is one of the ugliest comics of his career.
Every thread has some grumpy butthole who ruins things.
Do you have anything Cinemaphile related that you look at and enjoy without b***hing about it?
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Worlds finest, shazam, a bunch of shit actually you’re just a homosexual who seems to think a sketch has anything to do with interiors. You honestly come off as spurrier or deodato seething that someone shit on youre mediocre cat piss book.
The point you were making is that he’s still good, that image is older the 90 percent of the people on all of Cinemaphile. Nothing he’s made in the last 20 years is anything but hideous dogshit.
And of course nobody is forcing me to do anything you massive homosexual. You made a statement that he’s an example of someone who hasn’t degraded and that’s just not true in any way shape or form. His work has been awful for years now and his flash is one of the ugliest comics of his career.
I don't like modern Deodato but I will say he(and most brazillian studios) have a very pragmatic approach to art. In the 90's he just had his own take in the popular Image style, then when the hitch/photorealistic style kicked in he started doing stuff like using Tommy Lee Jones for Norman Osborn's face. Once poser models started getting used for comic art he went all in on that.
None of those guys are trying to make art or innovate, they're just mass producing monthly art that's good enough at a glance.
My favorite Brazilian artists are the Benes siblings
5 months ago
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>Brazilian artists are the Benes siblings
solid artists for pinup, awful for comic pages. But lets be real people who like their art aren't buying it for facial expressions.
5 months ago
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>Brazilian artists are the Benes siblings
solid artists for pinup, awful for comic pages. But lets be real people who like their art aren't buying it for facial expressions.
Maybe because they stop drawing regularly or injure their hand or wrist in some way.
Moebius never really lost it, even though he was going blind, and it's most likely because he never stopped drawing.
ready for a hot take? I like that art better than his old work. yeah he had a polished realistic style, but it put me to sleep.
The art in the OP looks like some greasy, grungy 80's indie comic with excessive violence and someone drawing their heart out. My only issue is that he wouldn't draw such a thing in all likelihood and it'd just be boring mutants taking for most of the pages.
For thinking the OP drawing looks like a greasy, grungy 80's indie comic with excessive violence and someone drawing their heart out, and not a hackjob rushed out by a 2000s "realistic" airbrush artist.
hack job or not I still like it better than his old work. I don't love it and it'd be better with flat coloring but it has more personality to me than his older style.
@141106266 >ready for me to b8 for (You)s and call it a hot take as of it’s sincere?
Kys
@141106691
You’re conflating coloring with linework moron stop talking about art. As well as bringing up writing in your initial “hot take.
I think you're treading dangerously close to cargo cult-esque territory here. The comics from the 80s were made with heart, but the artists would've drawn "better" if they could've. The heart wasn't a byproduct of the bad art, but just the reverse: they were so determined to get their vision out that they didn't let their comparatively limited skills stop them. In comparison, OP's pic is the result of a person with technical skill losing his drive and phoning it in.
Did they want to be better? sure. But from a death of author perspective I just find what they did charming.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think 80's indie comic amateur art is my favorite art ever. It's not the end all/be-all for me. But I do generally like more cartoony/stylized art in general. > OP's pic is the result of a person with technical skill losing his drive and phoning it in.
I'm not sure about that. I think it's just as possible he wants to do something different but isn't sure how to approach it.
It was taking him like 6 months to do a single issue, I can see where he would want to find a different method of doing things.
I also think he went straight from pencils here and his previous work was heavily polished by ink.
I commend you on your dedication and subtle approach. It’s good to see that shitposting still means something.
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.
OP back I don't think it's better but more interesting, his old stuff was kinda bland yeah it's standard jobber comics but on technical level it's worst.
@141106793
It would look even worse with flat coloring. There is no world in which his work for the xforce cover in OP is better than the pin up in your b8 post
The alec Sinclair coloring job sticks out like a sore thumb. hyper detailing Beast's fur on a more crude simple style looks off. He's trying to make it look like his older style and it just doesn't work.
If they work for Marvel/DC it's because they don't give a shit about quality, they care about the art being done in time. It's why Greg Land still gets jobs despite being known as an art thief for over 20 years.
Why are you an ESL fricker, sir?
As you age, stress injuries to your wrist, arm, etc. tend to build up.
>As you age, stress injuries to your wrist, arm, etc. tend to build up.
You know why John Romita Jr.'s art has been so consistent over the last like three decades? He's a chad who lifts weights and probably does stretches and PT. Greg Capullo and Mike Deodato Jr. are swole AF too
His art has gotten worse but I think that has more to do with him double shipping
His storytelling in the JMS Spider-Man run has yet to be topped in modern American comics
>His storytelling
no one in Cinemaphile appreciates that visual aspect of comics. Maybe a handful of people. Most would be content with a bunch of frickin artgerm pinups in panels for 22 pages.
I enjoy good visuals but good writing is more important to me
see, you don't get it. It's not even about the quality of the art but HOW that story is directed with the art.Writing is important too but if the art isn't guiding the story in a well done way with good panel flow, interesting direction, etc, it's a failure as a visual medium. Equivalent to having amateurs film a master writer's script.
Oh in that context yeh I agree completely. I think it’s mainly due to the writer and artist being seperate people so there’s less cohesion with the art and writing
Read something other than Spider-Man, tool.
He peaked in the 2000's also he gotten lot of bad inkers and colorists but his JMS Spidey stuff still peak.
>Mike Deodato Jr.
His work always been kinda bland...it's fine like his 90's stuff best.
>Greg Capullo
His over top cartoony Spawn stuff the best.
I can smell the piss bottle
>Mike Deodato swole AF
>Deodato hasn't done much more than pose models for over a decade
He also had like three divorces and needed to pay alimony.
The other thing is he chooses quantity over quality. People don't know this much but Romita senior burned out in the 70's which is why he switched to a more editorial position working Marvel's art dept. Not that he'd ever speak ill of his dad but it's very likely being a penciller nets more money than editorial/staff jobs if you do more pages; which is why he avoided his dad's "pitfall" of being more of a perfectionist in favor of just cranking stuff out
That seems like a logical choice.
Especially in this day and age, people want products instead of projects. Jim Lee is still slow as hell when he does draw
Deodato is fricking dreadful. absolute eyesore “art”. Wtf are you talking about?
No one's forcing you to agree with me. I just like his stuff
The point you were making is that he’s still good, that image is older the 90 percent of the people on all of Cinemaphile. Nothing he’s made in the last 20 years is anything but hideous dogshit.
And of course nobody is forcing me to do anything you massive homosexual. You made a statement that he’s an example of someone who hasn’t degraded and that’s just not true in any way shape or form. His work has been awful for years now and his flash is one of the ugliest comics of his career.
God, this board is terrible.
Every thread has some grumpy butthole who ruins things.
Do you have anything Cinemaphile related that you look at and enjoy without b***hing about it?
Worlds finest, shazam, a bunch of shit actually you’re just a homosexual who seems to think a sketch has anything to do with interiors. You honestly come off as spurrier or deodato seething that someone shit on youre mediocre cat piss book.
I don't like modern Deodato but I will say he(and most brazillian studios) have a very pragmatic approach to art. In the 90's he just had his own take in the popular Image style, then when the hitch/photorealistic style kicked in he started doing stuff like using Tommy Lee Jones for Norman Osborn's face. Once poser models started getting used for comic art he went all in on that.
None of those guys are trying to make art or innovate, they're just mass producing monthly art that's good enough at a glance.
Interesting viewpoint
My favorite Brazilian artists are the Benes siblings
>Brazilian artists are the Benes siblings
solid artists for pinup, awful for comic pages. But lets be real people who like their art aren't buying it for facial expressions.
Boring.
Comic makers demand more and more which hurts wrists
Selection bias
>This is peak western art
No wonder you are losing
>5 fingers
all is right in the world
Maybe because they stop drawing regularly or injure their hand or wrist in some way.
Moebius never really lost it, even though he was going blind, and it's most likely because he never stopped drawing.
Sad to see. Loved him in Astonishing X-Men.
ready for a hot take? I like that art better than his old work. yeah he had a polished realistic style, but it put me to sleep.
The art in the OP looks like some greasy, grungy 80's indie comic with excessive violence and someone drawing their heart out. My only issue is that he wouldn't draw such a thing in all likelihood and it'd just be boring mutants taking for most of the pages.
That's not a hot take. You just have shit taste.
For finding airbrushed 2000's "realistic" art boring? I'll take it.
For thinking the OP drawing looks like a greasy, grungy 80's indie comic with excessive violence and someone drawing their heart out, and not a hackjob rushed out by a 2000s "realistic" airbrush artist.
hack job or not I still like it better than his old work. I don't love it and it'd be better with flat coloring but it has more personality to me than his older style.
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It has no personality. It's like a bad imitation of Kevin O'Neill or Frank Miller.
I think you're treading dangerously close to cargo cult-esque territory here. The comics from the 80s were made with heart, but the artists would've drawn "better" if they could've. The heart wasn't a byproduct of the bad art, but just the reverse: they were so determined to get their vision out that they didn't let their comparatively limited skills stop them. In comparison, OP's pic is the result of a person with technical skill losing his drive and phoning it in.
Did they want to be better? sure. But from a death of author perspective I just find what they did charming.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think 80's indie comic amateur art is my favorite art ever. It's not the end all/be-all for me. But I do generally like more cartoony/stylized art in general.
> OP's pic is the result of a person with technical skill losing his drive and phoning it in.
I'm not sure about that. I think it's just as possible he wants to do something different but isn't sure how to approach it.
It was taking him like 6 months to do a single issue, I can see where he would want to find a different method of doing things.
I also think he went straight from pencils here and his previous work was heavily polished by ink.
I commend you on your dedication and subtle approach. It’s good to see that shitposting still means something.
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.
I like you anon, cool
OP back I don't think it's better but more interesting, his old stuff was kinda bland yeah it's standard jobber comics but on technical level it's worst.
Liefeld might still have some problems, but he definitely got better with age
@141106266
>ready for me to b8 for (You)s and call it a hot take as of it’s sincere?
Kys
@141106691
You’re conflating coloring with linework moron stop talking about art. As well as bringing up writing in your initial “hot take.
You sound like a massive fricking moron.
@141106793
It would look even worse with flat coloring. There is no world in which his work for the xforce cover in OP is better than the pin up in your b8 post
The alec Sinclair coloring job sticks out like a sore thumb. hyper detailing Beast's fur on a more crude simple style looks off. He's trying to make it look like his older style and it just doesn't work.
My guess is alcohol, but a lot of guys go on and on. Art Adams still looks great and he’s older than JC.
I never liked his art, but I understood the appeal. He’s a trash fire now.
Tell that to Miyazaki
I think his 70's/80's work was his best and he's resorted to a lot of stock Miyazaki-isms.
…mostly having no idea how to actually finish his films so the endings feel rushed, character arcs discarded, and subplots ignored.
I think he tried to do chibi japanese style, but he's an old out of touch boomer and completely failed at it
> think he tried to do chibi japanese style
Link or something?
One of the worst covers ever
I could easily see this as the fault of the inker or colourist
If they work for Marvel/DC it's because they don't give a shit about quality, they care about the art being done in time. It's why Greg Land still gets jobs despite being known as an art thief for over 20 years.