Not anymore. Casuals are now all big comic fans, even if they don't read comics. What you're thinking about is the time before the MCU and TBBT where nerd culture was something to be ashamed of and mocked by the masses.
But we do outgrow (some kinds of) music. How many adults (that aren't parents or don't work with children or don't produce children's content) listen to preschool songs?
Music makes no sense there since evryone listens to music and it’s usually done in a passive way during another activity. When people actually listen to music actively they do it for half an hour and so while reading a comic/book is an activity that takes hours/days.
Because when people say "comics" they mean capeshit and with that in mind, this gotcha doesn't work because you can perfectly say you outgrew a genre.
I can definitely say I outgrew horror.
Because they have pictures. In their minds, you're reading a picture book because you're not grown up enough to read real books with words like an adult. It does not matter what the content is, drawings are kids stuff, and if it's "mature" content, then you're a pervert or a deviant, or a psycho, whichever is applicable.
That's the reason.
That doesn't count for 2 reasons
1 poetry is seen as "artsy" and smart, so throwing a couple of sketches are going to be over looked
2 no one knows who that is. Don't toss some crap about her winning awards at me. Awards given away in echo chambers with no involvement from the public.
Because comics were (and still often are) a mix of >seat-of-your-pants nonsensical bullshit writing, because books need to sell and baity cover art is an easy way to do that >the power fantasy of some israelite who wished he could fly and could punch entire rooms of criminals in the face, all without consequences >preyed upon pretty early in its lifespan by groups who just saw it as a way to farm coins out of little boys >preyed upon even more by the government, military, etc. because it was a reliable way to deliver propaganda (often to said little boys) >often focused on moronic concepts like "what if I man gained some of the abilities of a spider" or "what if a detective dressed like a bat solved crimes"
Obviously not all comic books are as deserving of intellectual scorn as cape shit, but cape shit drowns out all the rest so the medium gets a bad rap. Comic book weenies desperate to not be laughed at just once in their life also cite creative cesspits such as Alan Moore as "the best you can read" which corrals skeptics into yet more capeshit, just a little more dismal than normal, and everyone is thoroughly convinced that comic books are read exclusively by stupid dimwits.
Academia bought a little bit into Alan Moore, tho. The late 80s, thanks to Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, and Maus, was a time when academics and people outside the nerd culture in general really began to look at comics as something more than kiddy shit. The subsequent moron creators saw these comics, just like you did, as nothing more than dismal capeshit, and continued to make the same shit but with a new flavor.
Frankly I don't understand how comic books haven't grown into something as respectable as literature. There may be more illustrations than words but if books can grow into various genres and styles, many of them regarded as the height of intellectual pursuit outside of something like rocket science, then comics ought to be able to do the same. Yet it's mountains of dumb, derivative capeshit with sparse breaths of something inspired in between.
>Frankly I don't understand how comic books haven't grown into something as respectable as literature.
Maybe go outside America for once. Bande dessinée are respected plenty.
People keep saying this and then never actually pointing to an actual example.
I swear to god if this turns out to be another "Manga is totally better! I recommend My Hero Academia it's so much better than all of those comics I've never actually read" situation I'm going to rip someone's head off and shit down their neck.
The reality is that comics in the past decades grew to be controlled by midwits and self-loathers (and some who are both) who lost sight of audiences outside of themselves
I don't know? Maybe because it's the only medium that kept forcing the "You don't get who this is or what is going on? Try buying or other issues and this story will be dropped here and continued on a another entirely different comic btw" for 20 decades?
The general prejudice against the medium, same reason animation is either family crap or edgy comedy crap. >muh capesh--ACK!
Even aside from the fact that capes is made socially acceptable thanks to other mediums, there is more than enough non-cape stuff in the medium if you're willing to look.
Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage (weebs can seethe about this all they want, but yes: that includes their precious tranime.)
>Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage
I think this is why I came to disregard indie comics fans who for decades kept insisting that if the comics industry abandoned superheroes, everyone else would be totally into comics
That belief completely does not understand the psychology of people
But we do outgrow (some kinds of) music. How many adults (that aren't parents or don't work with children or don't produce children's content) listen to preschool songs?
>20 year old me >I outgrew cringy music I used to like, Linkin Park is for underage homosexuals >30 year old me >singing along to Breaking the Habit in the middle of drinking and crying
I do still enjoy some stuff targeted at kids but most people simply outgrow all of it
>20 year old me >I outgrew cringy music I used to like, Linkin Park is for underage homosexuals >30 year old me >singing along to Breaking the Habit in the middle of drinking and crying
Capeshit. The answer is always capeshit.
A comic book about a magical detective that solves crime will devolve into capeshit, culminating with crossovers where the magical detective jobs to some minor henchman of a galactic hitler while superchad punches said hitler in the face.
A comic book about a magical princess in fairyland that rides ponies and drinks tea with fairies will devolve into capeshit, with the fairyland invaded by space hitler at some point thus requiring superchad to plow through and fight said hitler, who has inexplicably decided to ally with the local evil fairy for who knows what reason.
A comic book about unga bunga caveman who wrestles dinosaurs and hunts mammoth will devolve into capeshit as space hitler decides to travel back in time to destroy humanity by killing unga bunga, thus requiring superchad to punch space hitler in the face while wearing caveman clothes for no good reason while space hitler deploys an army of xenomorph dinosuars for equally no good reason.
Now, are superchad and space hitler the problem here? No, they're perfectly fine in THEIR comic book. It's when capeshit happens that's the problem. Every comic book must be the same, must crossover with other characters owned by the same publishing company, and must participate in large crossover events regardless of whether they have any business being there. That's the problem. Capeshit renders all comics into safe easily digestable goop, but only for losers. Once you stop being a loser or get tired of the goop, you stop liking comics and start doing anything else with your time.
The general prejudice against the medium, same reason animation is either family crap or edgy comedy crap. >muh capesh--ACK!
Even aside from the fact that capes is made socially acceptable thanks to other mediums, there is more than enough non-cape stuff in the medium if you're willing to look.
Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage (weebs can seethe about this all they want, but yes: that includes their precious tranime.)
>Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage
I think this is why I came to disregard indie comics fans who for decades kept insisting that if the comics industry abandoned superheroes, everyone else would be totally into comics
That belief completely does not understand the psychology of people
Even if they did EXACTLY what you said, it'll change NOTHING.
Easy. DC and Marvel poisoned the well and ruined the reputation of the entire industry. Nobody hears about indie comics, so they may as well not exist. But the minute they hear about manga, they're interested. Why? Is it because it is Japanese? No, because it's not capeshit.
Absolute bull-fricking-shit.
The only time you morons talk about "muh manga/muh anime" is when you bring up equally brainless (at times even more so) Japanese equivalent of capeshit or fapbait. I've yet to see a discussion of even the most entry-level stuff for people with IQ above 60 such as virtually anything by Satoshi Kon or Chiaki Konaka. About the few times I make threads on Cinemaphile for old, obscure (and actually good instead of just being crappy shonentrash for kids) series I liked, they get a few replies at best or simply die at worst.
the difference between capeshit and manga is that mangas usually have a limited run and a conclusion to their story, unless its a shonen like One Piece (which may one day end also).
Manga is frequently coming up with new IPs, worlds, premises (isekais in recent years) and characters. Some shows stick around for a long-ass time like dragonball, but imagine if all Japan had to offer was Dragonball and not-Dragonball shows. that's what the western capeshit industry looks like.
Mangas are usually produced by a single person or a small team, meaning there's a lot more room for creativity even if most products don't capitalize on that. It allows new blood and new IPs to enter into the industry as opposed to capeshit which has been recycling the same shit for a literal century now and where the biggest innovations are the occasional introduction of a new character everyone doesnt immediately hate or writing a story with a hamfisted political message.
>Manga is frequently coming up with new IPs, worlds, premises (isekais in recent years) and characters.
And a vast majority of which are utter garbage. And holy kek if you think isekai trash anything but pure cancer. >imagine if all Japan had to offer was Dragonball and not-Dragonball shows.
That's exactly what morons always talk about when bringing up anime. Dumbass action trash for mentally challenged children with idiotic writing. >which has been recycling the same shit for a literal century now
Sounds like shonenshit and isekaishit to me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And a vast majority of which are utter garbage.
Better than the completely stagnant western comics industry. But go ahead, stick your head in the sand.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No it's not. It's the exact same uncreative worthless and idiotic shit, weeb.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's not. It's different uncreative worthless and idiotic shit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You might prefer American media for whatever the reason and still admit that Japan has a much wider variety of genres and characters.
When you need to lie to make your point...
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, it does not, you moronic weeb. You focusing solely on capeshit doesn't change that.
I know what you're saying but my autism requires that I say sword and planet pulp stories are technically isekai.
Hell, Gor is technically isekai and shit both as stories and smut
Going on Cinemaphile to make a thread about Satoshi Kon is like going on Cinemaphile to make a thread about Ralph Bakshi.
Anyone who's not a moronic zoomer has already seen their stuff.
That's not the point, you literal mental midget.
I even said Satoshi Kon is "entry-level" in case if you're too much of an idiot to get it, but it seems I was thinking too well of "people" browsing this shitty reddit-tier board and so I have to repeat it again.
The point is that you homosexuals eat up the same slop and pay no attention to anything above that, you're no different from capeshitters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because the stuff you find interesting is fricking boring.
It's that simple.
It's why no one talks about the shit you're interested in because they're as boring as you arem
9 months ago
Anonymous
>weebs are moronic ADHD children who need shitty slop with morons punching each other and boobs to be stimulated
You are literally not at all different from capeshitters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry that you're boring anon.
There's no cure for that unfortunately.
Stick to your boring shit and enjoy it in solitude.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You will stop being underage eventually and possibly develop a taste.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, I don't care much for a boring ESL's idea of taste.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>ESL
That just means I'm smart enough to learn different languages, burgeroid.
You will always be a fat frick. You will never be Japanese. You'll probably troon out soon because that's your "culture".
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's right ESL, seethe, your culture will never be relevant while your country desperately tries to emulate mine.
You have to learn my language to interact with the world at large while I will never even know what your first language is because it's utterly irrelevant and doesn't matter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Americans have a culture?
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's called pride, and you all happily and willingly adopted it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Americans always think about their precious homosexuals.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You think about them too, which is why you fly the flag and spout the slogans.
Because you know if you don't it'll piss off daddy America, and your pussy country doesn't want that.
There are threads about RoV every week. Lain and techonkyze have threads reaching 500+ replies. 3x3 threads always have people with artistic choices. You are lying Black person.
>About the few times I make threads on Cinemaphile for old, obscure (and actually good instead of just being crappy shonentrash for kids) series I liked, they get a few replies at best or simply die at worst.
I love this cope
link these threads if they're so great
You now what the different is? Japaness's capeshit and fapbaits are much fricking easier to consume. I dont have to waddle through like 10 pages of wikia just to have a slight idea who the frick is this Black person character that just waddled into the room like everyone is supposed to know him while the last time he appeared was from the 19 fricking 60
And to think there are so many søyjaks who actually want a smash bros cinematic universe.
Crossover autism is a strong force and very tempting but should be avoided in most cases.
This. Everything is ultimately cape shit, or is capeshit in tone even if not in fact.
Jonah Hex just feels like capeshit, even if it's genre is "western."
It's because comic fans are extremely vitriolic and angry and snobbish about their medium that doesn't really have any amazing literary masterpieces.
Just look at this thread, comic fans give themselves a bad reputation by seething over other mediums and huffing their own farts despite most of what they read being shit for tweens.
It's like an entire industry of slasher-tier media with the snobbery of film students who just discovered The Seventh Seal.
I did stop reading books, but because it's too much effort to find a good book.
I did stop watching TV, because they mostly sucked.
I'm the most casual music listener, I can go multiple weeks without listening to it.
Strictly speaking about literature.
When I had access to a good library I read more cause I could walk around and pick whatever. I DID buy a couple books, but I haven't gotten around to reading them yet.
I got into comic book omnibuses recently, so I read one on occasion. I also regularly follow One Piece.
These days I browse my feed aimlessly, until some really good media shows up. I don't read the news or politics either. It's pretty much a bunch of different boards.
Because comics (especially American comics) are either capeshit, kid shit, or boring autobiographies about uninteresting people.
The people who consume these are manchildren, actual children, and hipster homosexuals, none of whom are worthy of respect.
All these are true though. People go through periods of not reading or watching anything at all, and everyone reaches a point where they stop listening to new music and just stick with the classics they like.
I think at this point people should just realize enjoying the things they like is a far better use of free time than trying to squeeze any sliver of validation from people who don't care about your hobbies.
Less curation, the system & money, because the barrier of entry is low, it's cost are low as are it's prospects for profits. So it easily sits in the background while other mediums overtake for attention.
It's the same reason fanfiction is looked down upon. You can find good works in the mountains of stuff on the internet, but there's no actual body that acts or pretends to curate it with a staying voice, and majority of it is amatuer work done and released for free, and not money machines.
This is the only reason Imo why animations gets treated slightly better, because it's semi recognized, be it by the general public because of saturation, and the joke that's the Hollywood bunch that's only self congratulatory ( i.e. Disney films, made to sell toys, merch, amusement park tickets and etc & same for their competitors).
There isn't some putzier prize for comics, there isn't marketing saturation of it like there are for films, tv, games or other forms of entertainment from larger companies where people get lots of different ads to consume it. It also doesn't have a looser connection to academia that writing and novels ( i.e. theory, research, popsci, biographies, nonfiction books) can at least call back to, because most people grow up with some sort of schooling, and that still involves writing and reading a fair bit.
Comics as a medium doesn't have that same sense of attachment to a common institution or what most people think of entertainment today ( i.e. screens). The only reason some countries like Japan still have a manga consumption is because of their culture, but it's also been on the same downward trend as all paper mediums in terms of consumption.
Tldr: it's the system, not some individual to blame for why a medium isn't popular anymore for entertainment or used much for learning. A better question might be why comics spiralled down faster, I'd wager it's a bit of the medium thing, plus a lot of bigwig corporate greed.
The equivalent of liking comic books would be unironically listening the wiggles as an adult. Yes, "adult" comics exist, but this board shows most people don't read them.
>good movies exist but most people watch another shitty action or horror flick instead >good literature exists, but most people read trashy YA and romance novels >good music exists but most people listen to top of the music chart pop trash propped up by Goldstein Records' marketing team and celebrity lifestyle articles
I expect comics will experience a brief golden age as literature becomes polluted by generative AI ot the point nobody cares about, but the AI is yet not good enough at stirnging a coherent comic from generated imagery.
The second guy is literally me but for cartoons instead of crime dramas.
I still read comics but I literally don't watch cartoons outside of movies anymore. >But older stuff!
I literally completed my cartoon backlog. I don't think you understand how many years it's been.
Because comic books aren't a medium, at least not only one, but also come with the connotation of the capeshit genre by default. If you say you're going to read a comic nobody is going to assume you mean Asterix and Obelix they're assuming batman. And batman is terrible because of capeshit genre conventions being near universally terrible.
It is completely normal to diversify your tastes as you progress, and even to grow out of some some genres entirely. You shouldn't swear them off on principle instead of actual quality but the point of entry-level shit is to be an entrance; you're not supposed to live in the foyer.
No, you shouldn't. You should reread them to see if they hold up or not; and you should be able to identify why they do or don't work to see if your taste is actually maturing. You're not actually changing if you never look back to see how far away the start is.
No you shouldn't and you swearing off entire genres means you're a developmentally stunted child.
And we're back to >most people are idiots with basic b***h tastes who eat up garbage
Huh
Correct which makes comic books inherently less worthwhile than other mediums because they are designed to be as consumerist as possible. Other mediums are too but they have some actual history and enough mature fanbase that they can still include some quality. Not!capeshit does not.
You gays can keep whining about muh indies but you're doing it into the void, nobody but you cares because indies are garbage at comparable rates to capeshit.
>Why is it you
Why is it you are a schizo jumping at shadows?
Alright then, make a non-capeshit comic suggestion that people actually read. Not that people talk about being so deep and amazing and 10/10 but that people actually bought.
The second guy is literally me but for cartoons instead of crime dramas.
I still read comics but I literally don't watch cartoons outside of movies anymore. >But older stuff!
I literally completed my cartoon backlog. I don't think you understand how many years it's been.
Watching a 5 minutes short once a month , means that you are no longer that interested about that medium and that it has become a 2nd rate hobby, nothing wrong with that of course.
Not out necessity, it's just that publishers have always used them as propaganda an advertising for young men. The entire infrastructure of the industry is about selling toys, a certain morality, and sometimes wars for liberal democracy to boys in their formative years
It's not about mediums.
I'm ashamed of modern media in general regardless the source. There are cape and non-cape comics I like, none were made after 2010.
I'm not, I been a proud comic fan since before I could read them, people who are shamed are pathetic. Normies reactions to me with comics always just been wow that's neat or asking questions about them, never anything negative.
Only negative thing is them trying to grab my books and look at them when I bought them to school as a kid and me being like yo like you don't hold it that way and handing it to them nicely but that's it.
The middle dude seems normal tho.
But he's assuming that no other possible good television shows could exist.
Ironically, I'm seeing those kinds of people online more and more
For the last 10 or so years, he'd be right.
>better call reddit
Yawn.
>A Reddit of Reddits
>Reddit and Reddit
>The Reddit
>Redditing Reddit
>Reddit: The Reddening
TV's gone downhill
Cool, one TV show that's meant to be a follow up to another that last aired nearly ten years ago is good.
As for original IPs, it looking pretty bleak.
Watch some old stuff.
Watch Newhart.
You're as stupid as that guy.
Which garbage TV show I insulted so badly that it got your panties in a twist?
I ain't spoonfeeding you, moron.
No one's asking you because you can't.
Because television is nothing but dreadful sludge and streaming service cancer is somehow even worse.
>TV is shit
>N-Nno it's not!!
>Name a good show then
>F-Frick you!!
TVgays are pathetic
True Detective came outin 2014 so you're both wrong and gay
Absolutely unwatchable garbage. If that's "good television", then I'm proven right once again.
Not anymore. Casuals are now all big comic fans, even if they don't read comics. What you're thinking about is the time before the MCU and TBBT where nerd culture was something to be ashamed of and mocked by the masses.
Because the vast majority of them suck ass
Instead of outgrowing music, i just think all modern music sounds like shit
Music makes no sense there since evryone listens to music and it’s usually done in a passive way during another activity. When people actually listen to music actively they do it for half an hour and so while reading a comic/book is an activity that takes hours/days.
>reading a comic/book is an activity that takes hours/days.
????
The average capeshit comic is what, 20 pages?
I am talking about a comic series. Like 3 omnibuses or something like that
The stereotype towards people who likes plays is that they are gay or at least effeminate
Because they're shittier than other mediums. It's like this: say 90% of all movies are bad, but then 99.9999% of comics are bad.
Most people believe comics are just DC/ Marvel capeshit which tend to have less than stellar writing
Dirt cheap to produce.
Because when people say "comics" they mean capeshit and with that in mind, this gotcha doesn't work because you can perfectly say you outgrew a genre.
I can definitely say I outgrew horror.
Because they have pictures. In their minds, you're reading a picture book because you're not grown up enough to read real books with words like an adult. It does not matter what the content is, drawings are kids stuff, and if it's "mature" content, then you're a pervert or a deviant, or a psycho, whichever is applicable.
That's the reason.
Rupi Kaur "poems" have drawings yet she was named writer of the decade
That doesn't count for 2 reasons
1 poetry is seen as "artsy" and smart, so throwing a couple of sketches are going to be over looked
2 no one knows who that is. Don't toss some crap about her winning awards at me. Awards given away in echo chambers with no involvement from the public.
"Writer of the decade" got owned by a 6-year-old writing about a tiger
The Tiger is absolutely based. I hate how much I love it.
Because comics were (and still often are) a mix of
>seat-of-your-pants nonsensical bullshit writing, because books need to sell and baity cover art is an easy way to do that
>the power fantasy of some israelite who wished he could fly and could punch entire rooms of criminals in the face, all without consequences
>preyed upon pretty early in its lifespan by groups who just saw it as a way to farm coins out of little boys
>preyed upon even more by the government, military, etc. because it was a reliable way to deliver propaganda (often to said little boys)
>often focused on moronic concepts like "what if I man gained some of the abilities of a spider" or "what if a detective dressed like a bat solved crimes"
Obviously not all comic books are as deserving of intellectual scorn as cape shit, but cape shit drowns out all the rest so the medium gets a bad rap. Comic book weenies desperate to not be laughed at just once in their life also cite creative cesspits such as Alan Moore as "the best you can read" which corrals skeptics into yet more capeshit, just a little more dismal than normal, and everyone is thoroughly convinced that comic books are read exclusively by stupid dimwits.
Academia bought a little bit into Alan Moore, tho. The late 80s, thanks to Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, and Maus, was a time when academics and people outside the nerd culture in general really began to look at comics as something more than kiddy shit. The subsequent moron creators saw these comics, just like you did, as nothing more than dismal capeshit, and continued to make the same shit but with a new flavor.
Frankly I don't understand how comic books haven't grown into something as respectable as literature. There may be more illustrations than words but if books can grow into various genres and styles, many of them regarded as the height of intellectual pursuit outside of something like rocket science, then comics ought to be able to do the same. Yet it's mountains of dumb, derivative capeshit with sparse breaths of something inspired in between.
There's too small an audience.
>Frankly I don't understand how comic books haven't grown into something as respectable as literature.
Maybe go outside America for once. Bande dessinée are respected plenty.
People keep saying this and then never actually pointing to an actual example.
I swear to god if this turns out to be another "Manga is totally better! I recommend My Hero Academia it's so much better than all of those comics I've never actually read" situation I'm going to rip someone's head off and shit down their neck.
Literally just start with Moebius, there's a reason he's had such a massive influence on pop-culture outside of the medium itself.
>Maus
Literally from a porn artist.
Comics were (and are) the realm of perverts and weirdos.
>who wished he could fly and could punch entire rooms of criminals in the face, all without consequences
Don't we all though, Cucaracho?
> Cucaracho
you don't even know how to insult
I was referencing that's how Nappa and Buu call Cell in Dr. Goku, since your pic came from that.
>hating capeshit
gay
It was seen as a children's medium to most normal people
The guy in the middle is pretty realistic for a lot of modern people.
The reality is that comics in the past decades grew to be controlled by midwits and self-loathers (and some who are both) who lost sight of audiences outside of themselves
I don't know? Maybe because it's the only medium that kept forcing the "You don't get who this is or what is going on? Try buying or other issues and this story will be dropped here and continued on a another entirely different comic btw" for 20 decades?
The general prejudice against the medium, same reason animation is either family crap or edgy comedy crap.
>muh capesh--ACK!
Even aside from the fact that capes is made socially acceptable thanks to other mediums, there is more than enough non-cape stuff in the medium if you're willing to look.
Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage (weebs can seethe about this all they want, but yes: that includes their precious tranime.)
>Meanwhile people happily eat up tons of even more vapid garbage
I think this is why I came to disregard indie comics fans who for decades kept insisting that if the comics industry abandoned superheroes, everyone else would be totally into comics
That belief completely does not understand the psychology of people
I thonk honestly America just hates reading anything that isn't Clickbait news. And the only reaspn why webcomics get any views is because it's free.
But we do outgrow (some kinds of) music. How many adults (that aren't parents or don't work with children or don't produce children's content) listen to preschool songs?
>But we do outgrow (some kinds of) music
I think the point Dorkin is making is that comic fans just completely abandon comics altogether as opposed to reading better comics.
>better comics
That's the issue
I do still enjoy some stuff targeted at kids but most people simply outgrow all of it
Calling a preschool nursery rhyme music is like calling a coloring book a comic.
>20 year old me
>I outgrew cringy music I used to like, Linkin Park is for underage homosexuals
>30 year old me
>singing along to Breaking the Habit in the middle of drinking and crying
Capeshit. The answer is always capeshit.
A comic book about a magical detective that solves crime will devolve into capeshit, culminating with crossovers where the magical detective jobs to some minor henchman of a galactic hitler while superchad punches said hitler in the face.
A comic book about a magical princess in fairyland that rides ponies and drinks tea with fairies will devolve into capeshit, with the fairyland invaded by space hitler at some point thus requiring superchad to plow through and fight said hitler, who has inexplicably decided to ally with the local evil fairy for who knows what reason.
A comic book about unga bunga caveman who wrestles dinosaurs and hunts mammoth will devolve into capeshit as space hitler decides to travel back in time to destroy humanity by killing unga bunga, thus requiring superchad to punch space hitler in the face while wearing caveman clothes for no good reason while space hitler deploys an army of xenomorph dinosuars for equally no good reason.
Now, are superchad and space hitler the problem here? No, they're perfectly fine in THEIR comic book. It's when capeshit happens that's the problem. Every comic book must be the same, must crossover with other characters owned by the same publishing company, and must participate in large crossover events regardless of whether they have any business being there. That's the problem. Capeshit renders all comics into safe easily digestable goop, but only for losers. Once you stop being a loser or get tired of the goop, you stop liking comics and start doing anything else with your time.
Explain this then
Even if they did EXACTLY what you said, it'll change NOTHING.
Easy. DC and Marvel poisoned the well and ruined the reputation of the entire industry. Nobody hears about indie comics, so they may as well not exist. But the minute they hear about manga, they're interested. Why? Is it because it is Japanese? No, because it's not capeshit.
You have no idea what you're talking about
Just like people who claim that Walt made animation kid stuff.
Absolute bull-fricking-shit.
The only time you morons talk about "muh manga/muh anime" is when you bring up equally brainless (at times even more so) Japanese equivalent of capeshit or fapbait. I've yet to see a discussion of even the most entry-level stuff for people with IQ above 60 such as virtually anything by Satoshi Kon or Chiaki Konaka. About the few times I make threads on Cinemaphile for old, obscure (and actually good instead of just being crappy shonentrash for kids) series I liked, they get a few replies at best or simply die at worst.
the difference between capeshit and manga is that mangas usually have a limited run and a conclusion to their story, unless its a shonen like One Piece (which may one day end also).
Manga is frequently coming up with new IPs, worlds, premises (isekais in recent years) and characters. Some shows stick around for a long-ass time like dragonball, but imagine if all Japan had to offer was Dragonball and not-Dragonball shows. that's what the western capeshit industry looks like.
Mangas are usually produced by a single person or a small team, meaning there's a lot more room for creativity even if most products don't capitalize on that. It allows new blood and new IPs to enter into the industry as opposed to capeshit which has been recycling the same shit for a literal century now and where the biggest innovations are the occasional introduction of a new character everyone doesnt immediately hate or writing a story with a hamfisted political message.
>Manga is frequently coming up with new IPs, worlds, premises (isekais in recent years) and characters.
And a vast majority of which are utter garbage. And holy kek if you think isekai trash anything but pure cancer.
>imagine if all Japan had to offer was Dragonball and not-Dragonball shows.
That's exactly what morons always talk about when bringing up anime. Dumbass action trash for mentally challenged children with idiotic writing.
>which has been recycling the same shit for a literal century now
Sounds like shonenshit and isekaishit to me.
>And a vast majority of which are utter garbage.
Better than the completely stagnant western comics industry. But go ahead, stick your head in the sand.
No it's not. It's the exact same uncreative worthless and idiotic shit, weeb.
It's not. It's different uncreative worthless and idiotic shit.
You might prefer American media for whatever the reason and still admit that Japan has a much wider variety of genres and characters.
When you need to lie to make your point...
No, it does not, you moronic weeb. You focusing solely on capeshit doesn't change that.
I know what you're saying but my autism requires that I say sword and planet pulp stories are technically isekai.
Hell, Gor is technically isekai and shit both as stories and smut
Going on Cinemaphile to make a thread about Satoshi Kon is like going on Cinemaphile to make a thread about Ralph Bakshi.
Anyone who's not a moronic zoomer has already seen their stuff.
That's not the point, you literal mental midget.
I even said Satoshi Kon is "entry-level" in case if you're too much of an idiot to get it, but it seems I was thinking too well of "people" browsing this shitty reddit-tier board and so I have to repeat it again.
The point is that you homosexuals eat up the same slop and pay no attention to anything above that, you're no different from capeshitters.
Because the stuff you find interesting is fricking boring.
It's that simple.
It's why no one talks about the shit you're interested in because they're as boring as you arem
>weebs are moronic ADHD children who need shitty slop with morons punching each other and boobs to be stimulated
You are literally not at all different from capeshitters.
I'm sorry that you're boring anon.
There's no cure for that unfortunately.
Stick to your boring shit and enjoy it in solitude.
You will stop being underage eventually and possibly develop a taste.
Sorry, I don't care much for a boring ESL's idea of taste.
>ESL
That just means I'm smart enough to learn different languages, burgeroid.
You will always be a fat frick. You will never be Japanese. You'll probably troon out soon because that's your "culture".
That's right ESL, seethe, your culture will never be relevant while your country desperately tries to emulate mine.
You have to learn my language to interact with the world at large while I will never even know what your first language is because it's utterly irrelevant and doesn't matter.
Americans have a culture?
It's called pride, and you all happily and willingly adopted it.
Americans always think about their precious homosexuals.
You think about them too, which is why you fly the flag and spout the slogans.
Because you know if you don't it'll piss off daddy America, and your pussy country doesn't want that.
There are threads about RoV every week. Lain and techonkyze have threads reaching 500+ replies. 3x3 threads always have people with artistic choices. You are lying Black person.
>About the few times I make threads on Cinemaphile for old, obscure (and actually good instead of just being crappy shonentrash for kids) series I liked, they get a few replies at best or simply die at worst.
I love this cope
link these threads if they're so great
You now what the different is? Japaness's capeshit and fapbaits are much fricking easier to consume. I dont have to waddle through like 10 pages of wikia just to have a slight idea who the frick is this Black person character that just waddled into the room like everyone is supposed to know him while the last time he appeared was from the 19 fricking 60
>things that never happened
And to think there are so many søyjaks who actually want a smash bros cinematic universe.
Crossover autism is a strong force and very tempting but should be avoided in most cases.
This. Everything is ultimately cape shit, or is capeshit in tone even if not in fact.
Jonah Hex just feels like capeshit, even if it's genre is "western."
I would never read a comic book.
Holy shit that would be so gay.
That just means it's the perfect medium for you
Because they're shit compared to other media.
It's because comic fans are extremely vitriolic and angry and snobbish about their medium that doesn't really have any amazing literary masterpieces.
Just look at this thread, comic fans give themselves a bad reputation by seething over other mediums and huffing their own farts despite most of what they read being shit for tweens.
It's like an entire industry of slasher-tier media with the snobbery of film students who just discovered The Seventh Seal.
That's a lot of projection.
Perfectly described manga
I did stop reading books, but because it's too much effort to find a good book.
I did stop watching TV, because they mostly sucked.
I'm the most casual music listener, I can go multiple weeks without listening to it.
>too much effort to find a good book
homie what do you read then
>homie what do you read then
Strictly speaking about literature.
When I had access to a good library I read more cause I could walk around and pick whatever. I DID buy a couple books, but I haven't gotten around to reading them yet.
I got into comic book omnibuses recently, so I read one on occasion. I also regularly follow One Piece.
These days I browse my feed aimlessly, until some really good media shows up. I don't read the news or politics either. It's pretty much a bunch of different boards.
Because comics (especially American comics) are either capeshit, kid shit, or boring autobiographies about uninteresting people.
The people who consume these are manchildren, actual children, and hipster homosexuals, none of whom are worthy of respect.
All these are true though. People go through periods of not reading or watching anything at all, and everyone reaches a point where they stop listening to new music and just stick with the classics they like.
Dorkin did this? Where's it from?
Dork.
I think at this point people should just realize enjoying the things they like is a far better use of free time than trying to squeeze any sliver of validation from people who don't care about your hobbies.
>Don't read exclusively capeshit recycling stories forever
>Read some indy or euro stuff
Simple as.
american comics fricking suck partially because most of it (that anyone will reasonably come into contact with) is capeshit
Less curation, the system & money, because the barrier of entry is low, it's cost are low as are it's prospects for profits. So it easily sits in the background while other mediums overtake for attention.
It's the same reason fanfiction is looked down upon. You can find good works in the mountains of stuff on the internet, but there's no actual body that acts or pretends to curate it with a staying voice, and majority of it is amatuer work done and released for free, and not money machines.
This is the only reason Imo why animations gets treated slightly better, because it's semi recognized, be it by the general public because of saturation, and the joke that's the Hollywood bunch that's only self congratulatory ( i.e. Disney films, made to sell toys, merch, amusement park tickets and etc & same for their competitors).
There isn't some putzier prize for comics, there isn't marketing saturation of it like there are for films, tv, games or other forms of entertainment from larger companies where people get lots of different ads to consume it. It also doesn't have a looser connection to academia that writing and novels ( i.e. theory, research, popsci, biographies, nonfiction books) can at least call back to, because most people grow up with some sort of schooling, and that still involves writing and reading a fair bit.
Comics as a medium doesn't have that same sense of attachment to a common institution or what most people think of entertainment today ( i.e. screens). The only reason some countries like Japan still have a manga consumption is because of their culture, but it's also been on the same downward trend as all paper mediums in terms of consumption.
Tldr: it's the system, not some individual to blame for why a medium isn't popular anymore for entertainment or used much for learning. A better question might be why comics spiralled down faster, I'd wager it's a bit of the medium thing, plus a lot of bigwig corporate greed.
>Why do comics get such a bad rap compared to other mediums?
Hawkgays can’t catch a break
I don't understand your point. This is a fun page even if it's ripping off Jojo.
Oh frick, I thought this was the Cinemaphile humor thread.
That thread would be good.
The equivalent of liking comic books would be unironically listening the wiggles as an adult. Yes, "adult" comics exist, but this board shows most people don't read them.
>good movies exist but most people watch another shitty action or horror flick instead
>good literature exists, but most people read trashy YA and romance novels
>good music exists but most people listen to top of the music chart pop trash propped up by Goldstein Records' marketing team and celebrity lifestyle articles
because the american comic industry is mostly capeshit which is very easy to lose interest in as you get older
it has some of worst writing in history
I expect comics will experience a brief golden age as literature becomes polluted by generative AI ot the point nobody cares about, but the AI is yet not good enough at stirnging a coherent comic from generated imagery.
>all this weeb seethe when you point out they eat up the same goyslop
Lmao.
But all of these are correct. Who the frick reads or watches TV or listens to modern music?
because they run on forever and you need life long dedication and purchases to keep up with them.
The middle one literally happened to be though.
The second guy is literally me but for cartoons instead of crime dramas.
I still read comics but I literally don't watch cartoons outside of movies anymore.
>But older stuff!
I literally completed my cartoon backlog. I don't think you understand how many years it's been.
Because comic books aren't a medium, at least not only one, but also come with the connotation of the capeshit genre by default. If you say you're going to read a comic nobody is going to assume you mean Asterix and Obelix they're assuming batman. And batman is terrible because of capeshit genre conventions being near universally terrible.
It is completely normal to diversify your tastes as you progress, and even to grow out of some some genres entirely. You shouldn't swear them off on principle instead of actual quality but the point of entry-level shit is to be an entrance; you're not supposed to live in the foyer.
>You shouldn't swear them off on principle
Yes, you should.
No, you shouldn't. You should reread them to see if they hold up or not; and you should be able to identify why they do or don't work to see if your taste is actually maturing. You're not actually changing if you never look back to see how far away the start is.
Yes, you should. Genres like capeshit and horror are 100% horrible and worthless.
They don't "hold up" by definition.
No you shouldn't and you swearing off entire genres means you're a developmentally stunted child.
Correct which makes comic books inherently less worthwhile than other mediums because they are designed to be as consumerist as possible. Other mediums are too but they have some actual history and enough mature fanbase that they can still include some quality. Not!capeshit does not.
You gays can keep whining about muh indies but you're doing it into the void, nobody but you cares because indies are garbage at comparable rates to capeshit.
Consuming capeshit and horror past the age of 18 is definition of being a mentally stunted child.
>Asterix and Obelix
Why is it you always bring up this trash?
>Why is it you
Why is it you are a schizo jumping at shadows?
Alright then, make a non-capeshit comic suggestion that people actually read. Not that people talk about being so deep and amazing and 10/10 but that people actually bought.
And we're back to
>most people are idiots with basic b***h tastes who eat up garbage
Huh
Why do people think like this? just enjoy media if you enjoy it how you want. Why you quit a whole ass medium?
Like I legit don't understand because so much media exist like how can you like not find something to enjoy? Quitting mediums is stupid.
You have an answer here
You'll never run out of stuff though, I'm always finding cool neat old things.
Watching a 5 minutes short once a month , means that you are no longer that interested about that medium and that it has become a 2nd rate hobby, nothing wrong with that of course.
Nobody loves comics more than Dorkin.
Because they're immature.
Not out necessity, it's just that publishers have always used them as propaganda an advertising for young men. The entire infrastructure of the industry is about selling toys, a certain morality, and sometimes wars for liberal democracy to boys in their formative years
Why are comic geeks so ashamed of their medium?
It's not about mediums.
I'm ashamed of modern media in general regardless the source. There are cape and non-cape comics I like, none were made after 2010.
How old are you?
30.
Is this gonna be one of those "you're too old to enjoy stuff" pep talks?
I'm not, I been a proud comic fan since before I could read them, people who are shamed are pathetic. Normies reactions to me with comics always just been wow that's neat or asking questions about them, never anything negative.
Only negative thing is them trying to grab my books and look at them when I bought them to school as a kid and me being like yo like you don't hold it that way and handing it to them nicely but that's it.
comics require reading which challenges people’s short attention span