Why do demon and ghost movies usually never account for the fact that if these supernatural entities exist, then God almost definitely exists, and as such the characters should immediately start invoking the name and love of God and Jesus Christ? Even in the falling action they just go on as usual instead of showing a redemption arc into Christ's love. It doesn't make any sense
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Why would ghosts existing mean God exists? What the frick?
Seems like if ghosts are running around God isn't doing his job if anything
If ghosts are Catholic, not in heaven or hell but purgatory. Protestants that believe in ghosts are intellectually contradictory
You have no idea what purgatory means.
the religious are stupid anon and ghosts/god don't exist anyway have you seen ghost hunters? They get so desperate it's hilarious.
Descartes wasn't an atheist and your meme sucks.
Cogito ergo sum is not soul ergo sum.
If he was a xtian he would have just written the latter and been done with it.
Xtian as necessity - lest he be burned as a warlock - not as actual stance.
You are not as smart as you think you are.
If you'd actually read Descartes, you'd know that 'cogito ergo sum' is just one part of a logical argument proving the existence of the external world. (i.e. we're not living in the matrix or some kind of false reality).
The next parts go roughly like this:
God exists (which he has some proofs for)
God is kind so he wouldn't let us live in a matrix-like false reality.
Read and forgotten, actually. He didn’t have interesting arguments.
Tho IIRC you’re right, he was dumb enough to be a xtian because his “god exists” arguments all boiled down to “because I want it to”.
And the further part, “god is merciful”, same essence; “because I want it to”.
He was pretty dumb.
Holy frick I'm so embarrassed for you.
What, for forgetting what a second rate philosopher whose only real contribution is a meme phrase wrote besides?
Though… my personal starting point is not that dissimilar to his own, there’s a largest set. We call that God.
Any words or definitions after that describe a smaller set, which isn’t God.
Descartes instead went with “these are the attributes I want God to have, so, let’s make God this thing”.
Even existence is a word that’s finite, and tries to divide this “god” entity.
>only real contribution
moron who goes on to evoke the idea of "sets" blissfully unaware of Decartes mathematical contributions let alone his contributions to the scientific method.
I'm genuinely not sure if you're a pretentious homosexual who doesn't realize how moronic he is or just putting on an act. If this isn't an act, holy shit.
>the perfect being is not perfect if it lacks the attribute of existence
>therefore the perfect being exists
You know, you’re probably right, I am dumb.
Thing is, though, I’m right around as stupid as Descartes was. Slightly less so imo but that’s my opinion.
Tackle Heidegger or Hegel if you’re so much more acute than myself, could never quite come to grips with what those autistic savants were trying to say.
Nice LARP. Now you just have to learn that being a moron on purpose means you're a moron.
I’ve revealed my (meagre) power level, and you’ve only come up with aspersions.
Must conclude, you were never anything to worry about anyway.
Should have known, after all your trigger to engage was giving fricking Descartes the respect he was due; ie none.
Aside from his mathematical contributions ofc.
You're laying it on too thick, moron. Don't try as hard next time.
Futher aspersions.
If you’re as smart as you like to believe, an insight would be as trivial to you as any half second thought.
Certainly less time than it takes to solve a captcha.
C’mon, explain why dissing Descartes is a brainlet move, I double dare you.
Bro, leave me alone. I'm busy lurking in another thread trying to figure out how to get gnomeussy. (
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Funnily enough, you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are either. Save some of that embarrassment for yourself when you finally turn 25.
Wow, you're really dumb.
>ignors the deamon part
Nevermind them being from another dimension and it's sifi being a better argument but supernatural shit existing would infer that myths are real and therefore the most popular one is logically real and tgemost powerful you dipshit. Explaining common sense to you homosexuals is fun.
>the most popular one is logically real
What the frick kind of logic is that? Unless we're working on Discworld rules and Gods only exist because humans believe in them then why the frick would popularity translate to reality? Logic would be that simply invoking Jesus Christ won't solve your demon problem because if it was then demons would logically never have been a problem in the western world and they'd be busy haunting people who'd never heard of judeo-christianity.
>What the frick kind of logic is that?
Oh gee I dunno it's probably because the stereotypically Christian version of a demon just came out of a dimensional hole? How idiotic do you need to be to not immediately start questioning how much more Christian shit was gonna show up today?
>Logically if exorcism exists then demons couldn't be a problem
That's like saying spiders can't be a problem because exterminators exist. That's stupid
>only Christianity has demons
lol
Yeah, what you've got is called aids and a public education
yeah what you've got is called bubblegum and a four wheel drive
I think the few that address it usually go the 40k route of "demons and hell are real but heaven and God aren't"
>implying the emperor is not god
christcuck try not to get triggered challenge (impossible)
I'm not even religious
But if I experienced irrefutable demon shit I'd be like "shit guess I was wrong"
why would you assume they were biblical demons? could just as easily be some native american pagan shit
So if you were being attacked by demons, you wouldn't simply say a couple words from the only religion you know? You wouldn't give it a try?
im chinese
I'm so sorry
thank you, chinese demons are vicious
me so solly
That's also not Native American
ok?
The point is that you would try something from a religion that you know. Just assuming it's some "Native American pagan shit" or whatever random religion and doing nothing is useless.
The strats you use don't matter dummy, there's zero guarantee whatever you were dealing with is bilabial or whatever the frick else religion you might be.
Guess I'll just lay down and die rather than try saying literally 2 words.
chant whatever you want bro it won't stop the skinwalker from clapping those cheeks
Doing something when you don’t understand what you’re looking at is worse than useless.
>see something moving in the dark
>say Black person loudly and with careful enunciation
>be surprised when it doesn’t go down well
By this logic literally anything you do is useless.
Try standing still? Sorry bro that was a demon that feeds on the souls only of those that stay completely still. Try running away? Sorry bro that was the running-away-demon. Better luck next time. Try screaming the N-word? That was a Black person demon, gets more powerful every time you scream Black person. His dick just grew 8x the size and he's about to rape your ass.
Treat it as you would any dangerous creature.
Stand still. Observe. Don’t get your wiener out.
It's not a bear, it's a demon. It's not as afraid of you as you are of it. It's not going to hesitate to attack or possess you.
Demons don’t exist tho lol.
It’s a bear.
Are you in the wrong thread?
Are you on the wrong site?
So you’re a godless mainlander? Reported to the PLA for VPN
>demons
More likely ayylmaos.
And have some dignity, man.
>have some dignity, man
No idea what you're talking about
Every time white man encounters savages, shows them a trifle like a zippo lighter, and they fall down amazed and start praying to their bs gods.
Dignity. Don’t do that.
Nothing shameful about invoking the name of the lord.
Literally how my faith was strengthened.
After having a spiritual encounter which torpedoed me into Christianity and started to study the Scriptures and apologetic arguments - yea sure I got into it, on solid grounds but it became unshakeable when I had demonic encounters and they just vanished by invoking Jesus. My brain kept repeating me on a loop that there's no reason to even doubt again since the existence of this spiritual evil confirms the narrative which makes sense of it all for example aka Christianity.
>when I had demonic encounters
details please
Unironically take your meds
Did a demon rape you?
Yes, he spoke a weird demonic language with a bunch of clicks in it and had skin as black as night. Smelled bad too.
Sure it wasn’t a dude from Africa?
Same dude. I had a hard nihilistic streak from about 19 to 31. I was doing a fricking TON of hallucinogens (peak experience being snorting a shit ton of lidocane to numb my nose before DMT because DMT is incredibly low pH and will destroy your nose and hurt like frick while you trip in the most insanely uncomfortable way, but yeah I snorted 300mg of DMT then did 16 continuous nitrous balloons which contained 3 carts each, which I kept closed in punching bag balloons with black office clips over the ends lol), but yeah before that I had read the kabbalah and a few other weird ass esoteric religions texts, and during that I was face to face with god. Not necessarily the Christian god, but I will tell you that Jesus Christ was 110% sitting there very near to me (in a spiritual sense). I could “feel” fricking HUGE entities around me, like a skyscraper sitting right next to you. Like being dropped into the middle of the Pacific Ocean at night during a storm while you are hearing vicious alien growls in the distance. Like godlike beings were there ready to rape my mind. And the ONLY thing that could comfort me and quell the storm was the name of Jesus Christ. It’s gay but that experience alone is 80% of the reason I now go to church again. If the current state of the world isn’t enough to tell you that you need to run to his arms, please hear this. It’s all fricking real. I wish it wasn’t, but it is. I didn’t believe in it before, but if the most powerful people on earth do… and they worship the inversion of it, we need more people to go against that. Prayers up brother. There’s more of us than there are of them 8sv8d
>I was doing a fricking TON of hallucinogens
>before that I had read the kabbalah and a few other weird ass esoteric religions texts
Surely you're not so moronic that you can't connect the basic dots
These events were separated by about 3 years you fricking yid. Shut the frick up trash
to be frank the first point is all you need
Agreed. Christianity isn’t a requirement, but atheists are garbage
Nice troll
>degenerate druggie blasting his brain for years
>but his "supernatural" experience after that is totally legit and not just a result of him being a degenerate druggie and blasting his brain for years, trust me bro
share please
t. backsliding christian
Give up, abrahamic religions are the destroyers of culture. It's like living with blinders on. If you need to find god find god somewhere else than romans larping.
schizo
Similar thing happened to me. I woke up one night but couldn't move, all I could do is look around the room as see a demon standing in the doorway and then slowly floating towards me until it was standing over my bed ready to rape my soul. It never spoke but the evil of the entity was emanating so strongly that I could feel it scorching my skin, like when you put your arm in a ray of sunlight, and it made its intentions clear through thought. No matter how hard I tried I could not move, the best I did was wiggle a finger but it sprang back as if held by a rubber band. Then the scripture I'd recently read came to me and I believe it is the only reason I'm alive today. "Expecto Patronum!" I yelled, over and over until the entity fled and I could move once again.
I genuinely do end up "using" that spell or rambling something that sounds like a harry potter spell whenever I have a sleep paralysis episode or a particular nightmare. It works. So does getting really fricking pissed off and repeatedly telling the paralysis/nightmare to frick off over and over until you're mad enough to break free.
actually based
Congrats, it’s not the words of a spell but the will of a spell.
The words are only ever a focus.
You mean I actually DID attain wizard-status when I turned thirty? Then how come all the homosexuals I've been willing to frick off are still posting?
When did you last see a wizard without a flowing white beard huh?
Okay Belgarad, now time for your medication
It's been a long time since I read David Eddings' works, what is the point of this reference?
It's basically a word for word quote from the last chapter of the first book
Shit, really? I haven't read the stuff in almost two decades so I suppose it's no wonder I don't remember the stuff.
Well, I also remembered it wrong, but you gotta admit it's pretty close.
kys zoomer
strike a nerve there pal?
>supernatural exists? then my favorite rabbi is real?
>what do you mean other entities might exist without mine? AAARGGHH I'M LOSING MY MIND
>just try saying the words "Jesus Christ" because it might work? NO! I would rather be tortured to death by Satan!
it's no more likely to work than yelling SNEED
No actually, if they look and act like demons things that have been said to work on demons are much more likely to work.
yes actually, there are no proven ways to fight demons. whose to say that yelling sneed is any less likely to work than yelling buddha or jesus christ or fricking yahweh?
>there are no proven ways to fight demons
And there are no proven demons. I don't think you understand that the premise of this thread.
>oh shit, demons are real
>I won't consider that anything I know about demons is also real because uhhh.... I just won't okay!
the premise of this thread is that supernatural entities exist, there's no guarantee as to what their nature is exactly. invoking your lord has the same chance of working as me invoking sneed. I don't understand why you're having so much trouble grasping this.
>there's no guarantee as to what their nature is exactly.
Yes there is if they're demons
no one could know the nature of a malevolent supernatural entity
You can if it's a demon
What could it be then, Chang?
how could you differentiate a malevolent supernatural entity from a demon?
>how could you differentiate a malevolent supernatural entity from a demon?
Does your brain just not work? That's what a demon literally is
no, malevolent supernatural entities are much more broad and encompass things like poltergeists.
Christianity didn't invent demons you underage frick.
If demons exist they’ve existed since forever.
A 2000 year old fantasy book doesn’t contain “forever”.
The power of Christ compels the moronation out of you.
Saying "Jesus Christ" takes 0.5 seconds. It's not some huge risk. If you think it's somehow dangerous to say that, refer to your own argument. Either come back with an actual solution or go to sleep and get raped by ghosts.
What if that bolsters the demon's powers though? No reason why it couldn't.
>refer to your own argument
>It's not some huge risk
I never suggested otherwise,
>Saying "Jesus Christ" takes 0.5 seconds
why not go through the entire list at that point?
>buddha
>yahweh
>thor
>baiame
>zeus
none of these are more likely to work than the other
>why not go through the entire list at that point?
YOU SHOULD. I've been saying all along that you should invoke whatever religion you know. I've never said it's guaranteed to work.
im chinese
Then pray to Xi
That's what the guy in Mummy did and it worked kinda
>demons from Christian mythology are attacking you
>invoking Christ won't work, even though he exorcised demons.
>demons from Christian mythology
how do you know?
What do you mean "how do you know?" They're demons, they posses people, they come from hell.
>then God almost definitely exists
That's a very big assumption.
Christianity didn't invent that, Pedro.
>they come from hell.
I wish christgays would learn even the most basic shit about their religion before trying to smugly correct others.
>then my favorite rabbi is real
Rabbi is just a priest. Why wouldn't he be real? Wtf is this schizo shit?
The overwhelming majority of movies don't make sense and have holes like that.
But they can still communicate important ideas. I was thinking how Plato's allegory of the cave is also moronic on a level, who is stupid enough to be imprisoned inside a cave?
>I was thinking how Plato's allegory of the cave is also moronic on a level, who is stupid enough to be imprisoned inside a cave?
This is the most egregious sentence on the entire board right now. The entire point of the allegory is that the people in the cave are tricked by illusion into thinking that the cave is all there is. I am almost certainly strong enough to kill you in a single punch. I am a Plato disrespecter myself but if you continue to spread such gross misinterpretations on my board I will have no choice but to end you.
I wasn't addressing the point of the story, my post went over your head entirely. I was in spirit with OP talking about "sin" elements in the structure of a story and those aren't really relevant for the actual message/implication.
>I am a Plato disrespecter myself
>no reading comprehension
spotted the plebbitor
go back
Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're just making things up as you go. Regardless, I am a bit drunk but reading that sentence sent me into a blind rage and I think such things need to be addressed firmly.
based drunk Cinemaphile poster
Egregious is such a fun word to say. I should use it more often.
Based philosophy chad
Everything evil in the West descends from Plato
Based making-sure-the-other-side-is-accurately-representedchad
>I am almost certainly strong enough to kill you in a single punch.
based and greek philsopher pilled
>I am almost certainly strong enough to kill you in a single punch
How platonic of you
this is screencap worthy
You don't need a cave.
Because that doesn't work. For ghosts you need salt, and for demons you need holy water. And neither of those are even permanent solutions.
God saves the day in The Conjuring movies.
This. Very kino
what a bro
You mean The Exorcist
>The Exorcist
The Exorcist is pretty ambiguous but leans toward the demon winning.
While letting millions die in Africa
>Noooooo why does God let people die then
Because death isn't actually a bad thing, which is something anyone over the age of 30 should be able to tell you.
Holy based
I don't know about invocation but I always why none of them would be at least curious, if your kid really got possessed by a demon or something you wouldn't even think to stop and ask them about heaven or hell or God or any of that stuff?
It might be the biggest revelation in human history, certainly the biggest in your life, and your response is just to scream and set it on fire
Why would a demon tell you the truth about anything?
Any data is better than nothing. You can study the data rigorously later and cross check for facts. A lead is a lead.
Some demon stories have the demons always telling the truth or people have the ability to force them to speak the truth with iron or some shit, they just try to twist it to make you upset or tell you the truths you don't want to hear. Just let them get the "your mother sucks wiener in hell" truths out of their system and they might offer up some interesting stuff.
Why do demon and ghost movies usually never account for the fact that if these supernatural entities exist, then Zeus almost definitely exists, and as such the characters should immediately start invoking the name and love of Zeus? Even in the falling action they just go on as usual instead of showing a redemption arc into Zeus's love. It doesn't make any sense
Is this the early 2000s? Get your categories straight.
you fedora homosexuals are insufferable
So suffer us no more, go directly to your magical kingdom in the sky.
that is how everyone else feels about christian spam
The people you LARPing tourists call "fedora" were here before you. You would have an aneurysm if you were transported back to 2008 Cinemaphile when everyone was a "fedora" and unironic christgays were ridiculed.
I was actually here in 2008 and 2008 is when we started making fun of fedoras immediately after the cringrfest known as chanology. We've had christian fundies here ever since /new/ became a thing , stop larping as an oldgay.
What the frick is it with old Cinemaphile and left wing Tumblr types trying to claim it was never racist and atheists trying to claim it was some kind of atheist hugbox. Neither of those true. Frick off
We literally did used to make fun of religious conservatives you moron.
We used to make fun of everyone, fricks sakes we've bullied multiple teenagers into suicide but you think we never touched the atheists? What are you stupid? The second we realized chanology was a cringefest we dog piled and bullied atheists for being annoying freaks. Why wouldn't we? It was funny. Then once 2011 rolled around with the Occupy protests oh boy did we make fun of atheists. That was also the first year of /misc/ iirc, and /new/ beforehand was already just the alpha version of /misc/
Because God is real and Zeus isn't
t. 3000 year old israeli 2spooky4me stories
When was the last time you saw a miracle?
When was the last time you saw a lightning strike?
Zeus is less unreal than this “god” fellow you bang on about.
Checked. Do you think these homosexuals know anything about the contemporaneous influence of Ancient and Hellenistic Greece on the development of Abrahamic religions or do they really think it's as simple as "you don't believe in Zeus?"
>You think Christians are aware of their own beliefs
Probably more so than atheists, who are usually just shitty Christians 90% of the time and don't even realize it. It makes them extremely upset to know how inescapably ingrained religion is to a person socially , and of course they're narcissists who think they're above being irrational which is why they believe in science. Despite the fact the majority of Nobel Prize winners in every science has been religious.
New Atheism was a cringe movement for autistic midwits back in the 00's that has overstayed it's welcome tbh.
The homosexuals to which I was referring were the atheists. But yeah, pride is marked as one of the capital vices for a reason.
Hell House Trilogy ends that way. Same with A Dark Song
whoops spoilers
>Hell House Trilogy
Wtf
There's more than one movie?
Why do demon and ghost movies usually never account for the fact that if these supernatural entities exist, then Amun-Ra almost definitely exists, and as such the characters should immediately start invoking the name and love of Amun-Ra? Even in the falling action they just go on as usual instead of showing a redemption arc into Amun-Ra's love. It doesn't make any sense
Have you even seen brenden frazier in the mummy, silly anon
If Darth Maul exists in the Insidious universe, does that mean that Jedi are out there trying to save my main man?
Darth Maul gets goat legs instead of droid legs in the WanCU
I unironically think all that supernatural shit could be real. Super rare but potentially real. I don't have a single ounce of faith God exists. If he was benevolent he'd help people if he was all powerful and not benevolent he'd be fricking shit up for fun. No chance an all powerful god just chills and does nothing.
such a 15 year old morons take. sad!
Calm down Lex Luther. If God exists then there is the very real possibility that something along the lines of Satan exists, which explains evil and pain and suffering.
what the frick is wrong with you moron there is zero ZERO logic in this.
You assume for some reason that one equates the other. Why?
Then if god is supposed to be god how did he let satan happen? Therefore your god is a homosexual wimp.
You better stick to the more believable ideo of the neutral and uncaring creator.
Why don't you just read the bible
I get it if you can't be bothered but why give your hot take on a subject you only know about through referential fiction
>why don't you read hundreds of pages of cope for why god is an butthole, and the life's work of countless authors writing pilpul as to why he's not an butthole that so strains credulity that it would make a israeli lawyer blush
How about no.
Then grow the frick up until you learn to earn your opinions. Until then, accept the fact that if you're no better for them you shouldn't expect others to be.
I'm not the anon you were talking to. And I actually have read it front to back since so much literature makes reference to it, I just think you're moronic. Reading the bible is probably the worst thing you could do to convince people of the truth of Christianity, which is why they all spend so much time proselytizing in Africa.
>inb4 read aquinas or some other hack
Bonus points, why it being in Latin was the greatest thing for the church.
Then only the initiated could even possibly critique.
No one could read back then moron. It didn't matter what language it was in. Bet you thought that was a real hot take, eh?
They could have it read to them in church tho lol
>apergium suckion netuzorniUUUmmmm
>or
>And now we suck Christ’s balls hmmmmmmmmm
Liturgy being in a priestly certainly helped deflect questions over what is, and what really really is, bullshit.
>they could have read it to them though!
Yeah, and I'm sure the peasants, in being just how educated and thoughtful they were, would have had better insight into scripture than priests. What do you think the purpose of sermons was dumbass? You know there were different competing orders within the church, right? Also, the Bible was originally in Greek. It was translated into Latin because that was the language of Rome and it was the universal language before French went into vogue and English took over the world. At least learn some history before you type.
Could retread a thousand boring - if entirely valid - arguments, but you’ve piqued my interest on a detail.
The eastern church never fell, Orthodox has a better lineage than roman Catholic does to the true word.
That in consideration, did the Greek Orthodox Church ever go looking for a translation closer to the true word? In their own language?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
Read pic-related if interested. Even Nu Athiest Christopher Hitchens liked it.
I'm not the anon who was involved in that conversation, I just chimed in at the end. I'm not impressed by your Penn Jillette argument. Frick off pseud.
>God doesn't have the same petty, limited, impatient selfish, uninformed view of the world that I do, therefore he can't possibly exist
Ahura Mazda and angra mainyu, duh.
Why do demon and ghost movies usually never account for the fact that if these supernatural entities exist, then Odin almost definitely exists, and as such the characters should immediately start invoking the name and love of Odin? Even in the falling action they just go on as usual instead of showing a redemption arc into Odin's love. It doesn't make any sense
Have you even seen northman, silly anon
They don't need to do so. Ghost movies follow different themes so it's a non-sequitur. Demon movies usually find horror in the doubt demonic entities are able to raise in humans (e.g. The Exorcist uses a demon that existed before Abrahamic religions and a major theme in the book/movie is Father Damien's doubt and intellectual hubris).
When I read The Exorcist a bird shat on my book right at the part where they're describing the vandalism in the church (i.e. how someone shit on the altar). It actually freaked me out a little.
Wtf? When I was reading goosebumps my dog shat himself when I got to the part about the fridge
Wtf I am shitting right now?
The only god I know is me
Hello troony
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reddit take
you will rue the day you called me reddit
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Classic
that's a very antisemitic shirt
Absolutely based and godpilled
Hello instantiation, I am also god.
Kanye?
Demons don't attack religious people, only gaytheists.
What's really fascinating is why invoking the name of god/jesus during alien abductions is actually effective for getting them to stop.
Tangentially related, but Signs is one of my favorite movies because of how the Christianity redemption arc is the main theme. It ties it all together and gives it emotional weight instead of just being some dumb little story
I had a sleep paralysis episode when I was a good Christian boy and my first instinct was to try to say Jesus and all that. Could barely get the words out. I imagine the feeling of sleep paralysis is the same we have when we die
You always see christgays parrot this, but they never actually back it up and just expect you to believe it. How about the cases where someone calls out for a different religious figure because that's what they were raised to believe? But no, I'm sure that your walmart-grade spirituality is all there is to life and the only options are being either le reddit atheist or a christian. That shit is like the people who claim that "all" NDEs conveniently show christian imagery and then you actually look up more NDE experiences and they're actually all over the place, but because your perspective and sources of information are so fricking limited you believe that the only cases are the ones that confirm your worldview.
Shit on Insidious all you want but the soundtrack is fricking terrifying. Basically just one man alone in a room carefully breaking instruments and making violins sound like demons.
Conjuring does
The movie would be over right away
The Conjuring series is probably the best at portraying Christianity along with demons and exorcisms (and even then it's not perfect considering how often the demons are able to manipulate religious items and such).
Demon/ghost movies don't show the power of Christ because if they showed the reality then it would be really boring because 9 times out of 10 an exorcism is just one or a bunch of priests saying a couple of prayers and then the demon fleeing. There's no pea soup or people being flung into walls.
One of the funniest horror tropes to me simply because of how ridiculous it is, is the:
>there's a demon (a creature that literally flees when you invoke the name of God)
>there's a priest (a man who has studied, trained and practiced his whole life walking in the steps of Christ)
>the priest goes to confront the demon and says prayers and such
>the demon BTFO's the priest and the priest is never seen again/dies
These movies have lead to this weird gnostic idea among a lot of Christians where they believe somehow Satan and God are equals (or God is only slightly stronger than Satan) when the reality is God is omnipotent and all powerful and loves us and Satan is just a loser.
>These movies have lead to this weird gnostic idea among a lot of Christians where they believe somehow Satan and God are equals (or God is only slightly stronger than Satan)
That would be Dualist/Manicheaism, not gnosticism
Do you expect edgy internet christians to actually know anything about religion?
Plenty of religions have "demons" how do you know which god to pray to?
Just do what that guy from the Mummy did
The only God there is.
"I bear witness that there is no deity but God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God."
We've talked about this in the thread, just invoke whatever religion you know about and think will work. Worrying about DURR WHAT IF IT'S A CHINESE DEMON is worthless.
no you just keep saying that shit moron
And you keep failing to provide any alternative solution that would work for a supernatural rape machine. Just accept that it's at least worth trying the simplest solution.
see
This is the guy in all of these horror movies who gets trolled by demons because he won't try the obvious solution. There's your explanation OP, people like this exist.
Catholicism is the one true faith.
Catholicism is literally the prostitute of babylon.
I agree with the OP, this would be me any time something supernatural happens around me
Based Benny.
This is why the Conjuring films are the only good supernatural horror flicks that come out. The main character being undeniably catholic in a world where demonic evil exists makes sense.
>being undeniably based
ftfy
Ed and Loraine Warren are pretty famous and their entire schtick was that they felt it was their duty as Catholics to show the world that demons don't only exist in the metaphorical sense but can actually manifest in our physical reality. I don't think they would be allowed to make those movies if they glossed over the religious aspects.
They were complete con artists in real life though.
I don't think they gained much of anything but mild fame. The church put up with them for some reason so if anything they really believed in what they were doing. I don't think they had selfish intentions.
I said they were Catholics already.
They did what they did without monetary gain outside of writing a few books. That's a god-awful way to con people.
Patrick Wilson's God given daddy energy always saves the day.
>invoking the name and love of God and Jesus Christ?
A couple do.
>Why do demon and ghost movies usually never account for the fact that if these supernatural entities exist, then God almost definitely exists
That doesn't have to be true.
>It doesn't make any sense
It would be too easy if saying God's name just beat the monster's. Doesn't God have a non intervention policy kinda like Starfleet in Star trek?
Yes horror movies are based off Christian theology. Thus why they’re boring.
>The Grudge
>The Ring
>Fatal Frame
>all horror is because of *tips fedora* Christianity
That's just not true and very short sighted. Every culture and religion has spooky, horrifying shit.
Maybe the monsters are real, but God isn't.
Maybe you're worshiping the wrong god.
Maybe there is a God, but the religion has been so twisted over time that nobody knows how to properly invoke him anymore.
Maybe God just doesn't want to help for some reason.
Maybe to God the monsters are just natural beings like bears. God doesn't save people from bears.
Maybe God left behind instructions for how to fight the monsters, but nobody remembers them anymore.
What are some kino horror films? I feel I have seem them all....
>Conjuring
>Insidious
>Annabell
>Exorcist (all of them)
grave encounters is based
Horror or "demon" movies? Best horror films are Scream 1, Strangers, The Decent and Hereditary. These are the only movies that actually upset me and spooked me. Scream 1 is more of a comedy but the opening scene is amazing and fricked me over as a kid who shouldn't have been watching it.
>Scream
That never did it for me. Conjuring and Insidious scared the piss out of me. Descent wasn't too bad, Strangers is pretty freaky yea.
Home invasion movies always scare the shit out of me because they could happen at anytime. As a kid I was scared of super natural stuff but when I hit 16 I realized that isn't an actual threat so it didn't bother me. I hate these supernatural movies that are always like "a family moves into a new home and strange things start happening" but Hereditary actually made me jump when you hear that clicking sound and when you notice the people in the background. That was a great movie.The new Thing movie was pretty good (I think it came out in 2012-ish) and Aliens is good if you consider that scary/horror.
I did like The Thing 2011. It got bad reviews but I enjoyed it. And yea i have seen every Alien and Pred movie lol
You seem to be missing a lot but that might just be because of obvious picks.
>House on Haunted Hill
>Passion of the Christ (Judas scenes are scary)
>Evil Dead remake is pretty scary
>The Exorcist
>Silent Hill
I probably know more but I'm pretty rusty from not watching actually scary horror for so long.
There are definitely more than just James Wan and Leigh Whannell horror movies, even though I love their style.
Oh and As Above So Below tickled a certain spook factor for me personally.
I have seen all of these except for Silent Hill and House on Haunted Hill.
That one scene in Exorcist 3 where the demon nurse goes after the nurse with the hedge trimmers freaked me out.
The Woman in Black.
Yeah, that doesn't really nake any sense and it's probably the work of faithless anglos. You can see how even that simple concept is escaping most of the angloids in this very thread
>what if god is not real
Then how come demons are?
>what of it's the wrong god
Then why are the demons the ones from Christianity? If they were facing a kappa or something, then Shinto would be true
What would the insidious demon do if he accidentally caught the son getting molested by rose byrne?
I know you're joking but Natalie Portman being raped by her mom and seeing Mila Kunis as her I pretty scary. That's another offhand spooky movie, so with The Machinist. Subtle mental spooks gets me too.
I'm a complete pussy and it's 9AM. What's the spookiest, scariest film I can watch RN
Mars Attack's!
I woke up to the scene where they start killing everyone on New Years day 2000 and it was the scariest thing I'd seen in my life.
it is the ultimate horror movie don't let anyone convince you otherwise
The Suckling
i literally snapped out of a lucid dream nightmare like this, a demon was chasing me around and i came to the same realization and started praying and i havent had any more like that
thats also kind of a plot hole i think about with ghost movies because if the bad guys can come back as ghosts, so would peoples dead relatives and general heroic people like a bunch of fricking navy seals would come back running around defending humanity
>i think about with ghost movies because if the bad guys can come back as ghosts, so would peoples dead relatives and general heroic people
Yeah, I always had a problem with ghost films where they go beyond a curse of a specific place or item abd it just looks like the ghost can do anything it wants anywhere.
If I get killed by some magical evil ghost, I wanna come back to have my revenge on him
Pic related is great and it averts the trope
Behind you
Oy!
what god would a jap invoke in the presence of a demon?
GIRUGAMESH
a demon fricked my ass once
did you cum hands-free?
From Dusk Till Dawn
Coincidentally while reading this thread and feeling a little on edge a rock rolled down near my window and I saw a tail run away. Hoping it's just a cat or something.
same energy
i bet if you it him hard enough with a pan he would become normal
Not 15 years ago this kid would've been dunked in so many toilets, he'd have died from bleach poisoning
In current year he walks around doing this shit unpunished
>too many NPCs
>walks past one person
oh no, even this was staged wasn't it
But they do exactly that in those Insidious movies. Doesn't the guy in the OP start out as a preacher or something
i'm so fricking sick of movies with ghosts or demons with the same formula
>protag moves somewhere
>monster shit happens
>protag happens to find someone who knows exactly what the monster is and how to defeat it, or they read about a mythological creature that fits the bill exactly
>execute a plan to defeat the monster
>it seems successful but there is a scene that shows it wasn't
I think that is what makes them interesting. What is the alternative?
>All live happy ever after
>All die and the ending is just zero hope whatsoever
At least the formula gives you some type of suspense and just enough hope.
Well Legion exits but it's a pretty shit movie. The Mist is a masterpiece and has a christian cult, btw the ending "car" scene was fricking metal. Cried like a fricking child watching it, would never tell my gf that though.
Oh look, a horror thread is being ruined again. Who could it be?
OP
The real answer is that Hollywood thrives on negativity. They want to propagate evil without showing true, absolute good. Instead, we only get humans getting terrorized by dark forces. The most you'll ever get is a holy person trying to fight back, but I can't recall a movie where it works out perfectly. They'll never portray God in a movie because they hate the idea of good.
Because those movies are israeli propaganda pieces trying to make the masses not turn to Jesus the moment they have encounter demons
Christ chicks are absolutely insufferable homosexuals, my god.
They end up the happiest women on earth. Seeing where the girls I went to youth group with ended up is insane. All married to rich men with kids and their own dream side businesses funded by their husbands. Luckiest women ever.
jews are demons, starting to make sense yet?
Cain was the first cursed one unleashed upon the world. Do you even Genesis, breh?
Cain died in the flood you moron, holy frick
That is absolutely never explicitly stated in the Bible. Cain was exiled after killing his brother and never mentioned again. The flood would have also been hundreds or thousand of years after the Adam/Eve/Cain/Abel stories. I swear, it's like you people heard about the Bible when you were in your early twenties or something.
atheist cope is pathetic
t.
devastatingly accurate
there was a whole rash of exorcist/exorcism spin offs that did just that in the mid 2000s into the early 2010s
problem is it usually ends up being the same movie every time, with somebody invoking scripture and exorcist style mantras while holding a cross and splashing holy water while a posessed person or demon writhes about shouting curses and insults. it makes for an okay movie once or twice but it gets played out fast
meanwhile, films that focus entirely on demons and malevolent spirits can depict basically any sort of creature or monster they want with any sort of rules they want because demons are such a flexible type of creature
How is the existence of demons an evidence of the existe of the Hebrew God?
Demons have existed for way longer and in hundreds of other religions.
In fact, the Christian demons are just Mesopotamian Djinns and Zoroastrian Daevas with their names changed.
whys darth maul wearing gauges he looks like a gay
>Jayzus
No. Why would I call upon a wonky hippie pacifist to fight demons. I would invoke Zeus or Odin.
Odin would wish you well and hope you die well in battle
Because the ~~*people*~~ in charge of Hollywood don't believe in God
the way I see it is if i seen a ghost then i wouldn't be scared as that implies there is life after death and that would be based af and death would no longer be an issue for me.
Because there biblical and non-biblical demons
Movies with biblical demons
>Exorcist
>Conjuring
>Possession
>Hellraiser (books)
>Constantine
>As Above, So Below
>Stigmata
>Last Exorcism
>Drag Me to Hell
>Rosemary's Baby
>The Rite
>The Exorcism of Emily Rose
>Prophecy
>The Devil Inside
>Possession of Michael King
>A Dark Song
>The Vatican Tapes
>[rec]
>Hereditary
Movies with non-biblical demons
>Insidious
>Hellraiser (movies)
>Prince of Darkness
>The Beyond
>Evil Dead
>Event Horizon
>The Ninth Gate
>The Taking of Debrah Logan
>IT
>Children of the Corn
>Paranormal Activity
>Amittyville Horror
>Borderlands
>Poltergeist
>The Shining
>Sinister
>Quarantine (American [rec])
>Midsommar
In the former, you often get many references to biblical powers/God/Christ. In the latter, you don't.
OP posts Insidious, in which the demons are simply evil extra-dimensional entities
>Exorcist
The demon in that movie isn't Biblical. That's pretty much one of the major things that makes it scary.
It's a biblical Demon in-universe. It's effected by the sign of the Cross, Christian Prayer/rituals, etc.. However it takes a page out of Dante and a lot of medieval literature which puts pre-Christian entities like Pazuzu, Nergal, Moloch as demons of biblical canon
>It's a biblical Demon in-universe.
No it isn't. It's literally linked to a spirit that predates the Abrahamic religions from ancient Mesopotamia. It's ambiguous as to whether it responds to Christian rituals in both the book and the film. It manages to kill the head priest and the only way Damien defeats it is by allowing it to possess him and committing a sin unto death. Also, the theme of religious doubt and encountering a sublime evil is a major theme in the book and it isn't clearly resolved. The movie is religious but the demon isn't Biblical at all (it transcends concepts of religion and that's where most of the horror is).
Unironically this got my over my fear of monsters and stuff as a kid, because if those monsters were real then the toy lightsaber next to my bed must also have been real
Bro you're posting a movie that's literal christian propaganda where they kill demons by suddenly remembering prayer exists in the last 5 minutes.
>if ghosts exist God is le real
Christians are truly the dumbest frickers to ever disgrace this planet
>Christians
OBSESSED
Any horror kino that doesn't depend on shitty jump scares?
The element that defines these movies is the persistence of faith and redemption through repentance
Watch a movie called A Dark Song
The most recent conjuring movie is literally multiple exorcisms.
that demon face remindz me of Tam Tam
One thing I liked about The Wolfman 2010 was how the film at least addresses this question when Emily Blunts characters actually ask if werewolves being real means God is real too.
Have you ever read the Bible? YHWH is kind of a dick. Just because someone claims to be God, doesn't mean they're telling the truth.
The Conjuring movies do this and they (well, most of them) are kino
this was pretty shit, but the scene where she visits the demon dimension/hell was pretty cool. I wish films showed that kinda stuff more often
I legitimately forgot I watched that
Well, for starters, if ghosts exist that immediately tells you that Christianity isn't the correct religion. There are no ghosts that roam the earth in Christianity, all of the dead are waiting for the Judgement Day.
a lot of these horror movie dorks get tortured and/or killed by the demons/poltergeists/whatev
how come none of them try to bargain lol? get some sweet demonic ability to invest in crypto or something in exchange for your soul blah blah.
pussies
That's really fricking stupid. Let's say ghosts exist, how does the existence of ghosts prove the existence of God or the Loch Ness monster? or Bigfoot? You don't make any sense you dumb fricking frick.
Ghosts would disprove Christianity
If ghosts exist, life doesn't end when you die
If life doesn't end at death, there is an afterlife
Maybe the people who told you there was an afterlife weren't full of shit.
Seem like pretty easy logical leaps for a character to make
The only way to do that and have it work in a horror movie is to have it not work. Horror at its core comes from something that should not be, where something defies the laws the world operates by and exists in the realm of the unknown where you do not know any rules that limit them. This is why giving them names and limitations kills a lot of the horror. Vampires cease to be scary when you know what they have to do and what stops them, when you start to categorize an entity as a class of entities like skinwalkers or whatever it becomes a more shallow form of entertainment.
That's moronic
Vampires are still scary regardless of whether you know how to kill them because you can't anyway
Just like how demons existing is still scary because you can't even remember the lords prayer let alone exorcize one
Scary, maybe.
Same way a serial killer with your number is scary.
Horrifying? Nah.
I don't need a magical spell to stop just some dude
Garlic, Black person, do you have any?
Do you have garlic in you right now
Besides the point it even stop vampires they just dislike it
All they want is blood, they’ll pass me over for an easier meal.
And you’re right, I have garlic in the kitchen but it doesn’t even matter I have silver on my person right now.
They are still scary yes, but less so than when it is something confusing that seemingly is not bound by the rules of reality or any logically consistent rules you can define for it. The vampire is like the zombie in that it is a very classical idea of horror. It’s dead but still living, defying the normal rules of reality, however the fact that vampires generally abide by a certain set of rules like not being in the sun or not entering a house without permission makes it not as scary as it potentially could be.
Any true believer is going to know it takes more than just invoking the name of Jesus to battle evil.
>characters should immediately start invoking the name and love of God and Jesus Christ
Why would they? Ghosts and demons exist in every religious and spiritual belief, even in buddhism which is supposedly a atheistic religion.
Just think of those things as extradimensional beings, there is no reason for Jesus and God to be real for those to exist
literally a midwit moron.
They literally do, did you even watch the exorcist
which god? if this happens in jordan I bet they don't invoke Jesus
Op I know what you mean, people face the supernatural but act like death is a big deal and shit. Very strange. Wish I could wirte more but I'm tabletgayging. I'm glad you opened up the thread though, I hope it will have interesting replies
Demonic entities and ghosts aren't fricking real and you can have them behave however you wish.
>That sounds like something a demon would say. You're not a demon...are ya?
If I was a Christian demon I wouldn't try to hide demonic powers, I'd start talking in some African dialect and act like you need a witchdoctor to banish me. On the flipside if I was a non-Christian demon I'd be all about lucifer wanting your soul and shit. Just to frick with whatever exorcist/witchdoctor they end up getting to chant shit at me. Hell, make up a whole new cosmology and see if you've started a new religion the next time you show up.
If i was demon id be at convention in vegas
He said you're next.
An early 2000s CG angel just came to me while I was fixing up my truck and told me I have to axe murder you.
If I were a demon, I'd take the form of a jilted internet skeptic whose new contrarian war cry is "Christ is King!".
>Begins with an "imagine" shit post
>proceeds too BTFO Richard Dawkins and fedora tippers
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