Why do folks compare this to stuff like Watchmen or The Boys like it’s some subversion of the genre when it’s played mostly straight?
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Why do folks compare this to stuff like Watchmen or The Boys like its some subversion of the genre when its played mostly straight?
Because it's a superhero story that parodies heroes and pokes fun at cliches.
One glimpse at Nolan ganking the Guardians and it's instantly labeled as WHAT IF SUPERMAN LE BAD
tongue-in-cheek =/= subversion
They see the blood and gore and immediately make the connection, even though Invincible is largely a celebration of comics
Because it mildly subverts things but for the most part people think of subversive capeshit being "when superhero says frick and people die more gratuitously than they already do in mainstream capeshit" basically it's subversive because they're comparing it to their idea of a silver age comic from 60 years ago that doesn't actually exist.
There is subversion but mostly for shock value.
I’m a reclusive shut in who’s comparing Invincible to Watchmen?
Yeah I don't see that comparison. I see a lot of comparisons between The Boys and Invincible because they're trendy Evil Superman pieces
The schizo that made this thread and this one:
He's still butthurt that his gay thread about plagiarism turned on him.
Reminder: the plagiarism gay is also the scifi gay is also the anti-rec gay. It's like he's playing different characters but he always gets (You)s.
It is subversive in the sense of one writer telling one story that opens and closes rather than languishing for decades of retcon mutilation
I wouldn't even say Watchmen and The Boys are that deep of subversions, just as Invincible is just what if Superman was actually more alien psychologically. Watchmen is what if 60s heroes had boomer psychology, and The Boys is what if superheroes were 2000s style Toby Keith fascists. I honestly find Spongebob's take on it deeper.
Watchmen goes a lot further than all the others.
>Why do folks compare this to stuff like Watchmen or The Boys like it’s some subversion of the genre when it’s played mostly straight?
Did they. Since when?
>SUPERMAN LE BAD ALL ALONG
There, it's a subversion. Discussion over.
Omniman isn't evil if you read the rest of the series. And he wasn't even intended to be evil.
It subverts/plays with a lot of traditional tropes and story elements.
People don't read comic books and are fed Marvel and shonen jump slop. They don't know any better
There are some subversions. To name some
>Mark gets his shit pushed in several times, even as the comic wraps up
>brickwalls do all sorts of nasty damage and fights are a mix of punches and spaghetti salsa that would make Ennis cum
>people that die stay dead and are never seen again
>Time passes. Some folks die, some get old. New capes come and go.
>villains and antagonists win, many times, but the comic continues.
>Mark is willing to compromise when he can't punch (or argue) his way out of trouble
I also can't recall any retcon but maybe that's just my shitty memory.
Invincible sucks.
Because if they admit that Invincible is a comic that is mostly a loving send-up to the genre while poking fun at it, they couldn't make smarmy twitter posts about how everyone but them can't see the satire.
Yeah. It feels more like Dragon Ball Z but capes.
I don't understand this constant comparison outside of zenkais and general ideas like bloodlines.
Because casuals don't actually read comics, bro.
>like it’s some subversion
Because that's exactly what Kirkman thinks it is, just like he thinks Walking Dead is a clever subversion of zombie stories.
Kirkman never set out to make TWD a subversive story.
It's subverting the subversion.
Most fans of this series don't have enough exposure to capes in the 80s and 90s to realize being violent and edgy isn't actually subversive for the genre, even for the big 2.
This. The only people Kirkman impresses are people who never read another cape comic.
I think if you were reading invincible from beginning to end with no spoilers you'd be quite surprised when it goes from
>teenager superhero shit
>oh shit my dad's bad
>meandering superheroics for a while
to
>guess my bad dad was part of a space empire that I have to fight now
>guess I'm the emperor now
This sounds incredibly straight forward and grounded compared to say contemporary X-Men stories from the time.
Because it's good.
Nope.
>straightforward
>grounded
Repeating these words every thread won't make the comic better than entry-level.
I was more refuting the sentiment that this comic is subversive or even unusual by the standards of comics at the time.
Reverse role rape was pretty much the only thing that really stuck out at the time. And even then it's because of the reverse role part, not the subject matter itself.