Hal Jordan was character assassinated so that he and every other Green Lantern and guardian would be killed off to make Kyle Rayner feel special. It ultimately failed.
A real hero would never have been buck broken by the destruction of their hometown and go bad, so it already incongruent with the continuity to begin with
Pretty sure every single Green Lantern story between GL/GA and him becoming Paralax was literally questioning how good of a hero he was to begin with. After all; Hal's just a space cop. That's it. Being a paragon of heroism isn't a requirement of having the Ring.
You read the run starting from 1990, you'd realize that this is the most contrived heel turn ever considering Jack Chance got a slap on the wrist for murder.
I know Hal was supposed be a bad guy here, but Superman and Batman are such ugly, insufferable b***hes that I was okay with Parallax beating the shit out of them.
cause they always have license to have the more interesting personality. heros usually have to stay within the status quo of whatever demograph they are targeted to.
Frankly I would've just had Hal go anti-hero at most or go rogue away to space where he just becomes a loose cannon renegade cop. Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much. Or just make it so he's depowered & locked up wallowing in misery. Slowly losing the will to even care. Not to build Kyle up but to show what happens when a hero breaks beyond repair. Going the extreme route of making him a tyrannical villain would be worse. Same problem with Injustice Superman.
>Frankly I would've just had Hal go anti-hero at most or go rogue away to space where he just becomes a loose cannon renegade cop. Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much.
That sounds incredibly generic, the original outcome for Hal is better, it parallels Lucifer's fall from grace, something not done quite often in capeshit.
>Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much. Or just make it so he's depowered & locked up wallowing in misery.
Hal already spent the first few issues of that run wallowing and being undecisive about whether he wanted to be a Green Lantern anymore and people hated it. This would be an overextension of that.
It's funny because the next issue has him work through the beginning stages of grief with Ollie, only for the issue after that to cut back to him still in the smoking crater like the last issue never happened
Because Hal Jordan was (and still is) a superhero, you saw all of his heroics plus everything that lead up to his face turn was laid out in detail.
You ain't rooting out for villains like Cobra Commander or Starscream, from the get-go they're shown as pieces of shit villains and the little pieces of backstories we're show are just there to reinforce that fact. You think they're cool at best.
even in issue 46 he talks about the cosmic give and take (coast city gone, superman returned) and says "the man will move on"
just stupid what they did to him
It's funny because the next issue has him work through the beginning stages of grief with Ollie, only for the issue after that to cut back to him still in the smoking crater like the last issue never happened
Superman dieded, Batman got his buck broken, Wonder Woman got replaced with this other angsty b***h for a bit, Flash something something. Hal Jordan had to have his angsty 90's plot tweest cuz them books were selling less than buckets of AIDS. Please understand.
Just a reminder that Rebirth didn't wipe away the slate clean for Hal and blame it on Parallax. Parallax is the explanation for why Hal jumped straight to murder.
he had no right to reset the universe. his intentions were good, but absolute power corrupts absolutely, plus who's to say things wouldn't have gone wrong?
somewhat. he certainly got off lightly for what he did (muh fear bug), but his relationships with people like batman and the lost lanterns (who were pretty much all killed off which was disappointing) were tarnished. from a reader's perspective, his legacy as a character was also tarnished, which is why people think he should have been replaced with kyle or john going forward (I strongly disagree, of course). plus, he was canonically dead for 10 years, which is a long time in comics
that said, he should never have gone evil in the first place
>from a reader's perspective, his legacy as a character was also tarnished
That run was so good it restored Hal's reputation in real-time as the series progressed.
I identify with villains because they are eternally seething and I am eternally seething too.
Same
World's most honest anon
Hal Jordan was character assassinated so that he and every other Green Lantern and guardian would be killed off to make Kyle Rayner feel special. It ultimately failed.
What does that have to do with my op?
Hal isn't a villain.
Killing fellow Lanterns including Kilowog doesn’t make him a villain?
More of a victim. A forced heel turn that conveniently wipes out everyone so Kyle can be the only GL because he's the chosen one.
Because you know that they're not going to win. You always want what you can't have.
I think it's the sanctimonious liberal nature most heroes carry that really turns me off
Never Forget
A real hero would never have been buck broken by the destruction of their hometown and go bad, so it already incongruent with the continuity to begin with
Not everyone can be a Gary Stue holier than thou fart sniffer
Not destroying the universe because a cyborg blew up your city doesn't make you a Gary Stu, most supes wouldn't go that far and most haven't
He wanted to reset the universe
Ok?
Also no other hero suffered a loss that immense
Oh?
Sorry I meant characters with actual fans
It's ok, you can leave in shame now.
>Jiren out of nowhere
I’m didn’t think I would see an unironic No True Scotsman argument here, yet here we we.
So did Flash yet Wally got treated worse than Barry.
Pretty sure every single Green Lantern story between GL/GA and him becoming Paralax was literally questioning how good of a hero he was to begin with. After all; Hal's just a space cop. That's it. Being a paragon of heroism isn't a requirement of having the Ring.
If you actually read the story, you'd know that his real issue was that the Guardians wouldn't let him fix anything.
You read the run starting from 1990, you'd realize that this is the most contrived heel turn ever considering Jack Chance got a slap on the wrist for murder.
EVERYBODY BETRAY ME
I'M FED UP WITH THIS WORLD
>Hal retconed his own memory
I wish I could do that
Because you're a bad person.
I know Hal was supposed be a bad guy here, but Superman and Batman are such ugly, insufferable b***hes that I was okay with Parallax beating the shit out of them.
Legit because you're an edgelord psychopath. "People" like you are the reason humans are a failed species.
Eat lead you self righteous hipster sounding queero
cause they always have license to have the more interesting personality. heros usually have to stay within the status quo of whatever demograph they are targeted to.
Frankly I would've just had Hal go anti-hero at most or go rogue away to space where he just becomes a loose cannon renegade cop. Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much. Or just make it so he's depowered & locked up wallowing in misery. Slowly losing the will to even care. Not to build Kyle up but to show what happens when a hero breaks beyond repair. Going the extreme route of making him a tyrannical villain would be worse. Same problem with Injustice Superman.
>Frankly I would've just had Hal go anti-hero at most or go rogue away to space where he just becomes a loose cannon renegade cop. Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much.
That sounds incredibly generic, the original outcome for Hal is better, it parallels Lucifer's fall from grace, something not done quite often in capeshit.
If that were the case, then Hal wouldn't come back from it redeemed then blamed on a space bug.
>Religious parallels? Whoah that's so kino for capeshit
Lemme guess, you enjoy the movies of Zack Snyder?
Nah they're soulless and visually unappealing
>Him going evil for the purpose of resetting the world to bring back his city was too much. Or just make it so he's depowered & locked up wallowing in misery.
Hal already spent the first few issues of that run wallowing and being undecisive about whether he wanted to be a Green Lantern anymore and people hated it. This would be an overextension of that.
You've been wronged.
>literal forced heel-turn into villainy in THREE ISSUES
absolutely disgraceful what they did to him
It's funny because the next issue has him work through the beginning stages of grief with Ollie, only for the issue after that to cut back to him still in the smoking crater like the last issue never happened
Because Hal Jordan was (and still is) a superhero, you saw all of his heroics plus everything that lead up to his face turn was laid out in detail.
You ain't rooting out for villains like Cobra Commander or Starscream, from the get-go they're shown as pieces of shit villains and the little pieces of backstories we're show are just there to reinforce that fact. You think they're cool at best.
even in issue 46 he talks about the cosmic give and take (coast city gone, superman returned) and says "the man will move on"
just stupid what they did to him
meant for
Superman dieded, Batman got his buck broken, Wonder Woman got replaced with this other angsty b***h for a bit, Flash something something. Hal Jordan had to have his angsty 90's plot tweest cuz them books were selling less than buckets of AIDS. Please understand.
It's crazy how everyone agreed that Knightfall and DOS were cheap and soulless but Emerald Twilight had to remain in place for a decade.
Just a reminder that Rebirth didn't wipe away the slate clean for Hal and blame it on Parallax. Parallax is the explanation for why Hal jumped straight to murder.
They're just cooler
he did nothing wrong, his plan was good
he had no right to reset the universe. his intentions were good, but absolute power corrupts absolutely, plus who's to say things wouldn't have gone wrong?
well, he got away with it, didn't he?
somewhat. he certainly got off lightly for what he did (muh fear bug), but his relationships with people like batman and the lost lanterns (who were pretty much all killed off which was disappointing) were tarnished. from a reader's perspective, his legacy as a character was also tarnished, which is why people think he should have been replaced with kyle or john going forward (I strongly disagree, of course). plus, he was canonically dead for 10 years, which is a long time in comics
that said, he should never have gone evil in the first place
>from a reader's perspective, his legacy as a character was also tarnished
That run was so good it restored Hal's reputation in real-time as the series progressed.
Because you're a needy, angsty child trapped in a bearded woman's body.