It's the one where she's swinging her lightsaber at a rock formation and cuts it in half and it falls and almost hits one of the muppets that lives on the island. Truly one of the scenes in cinematic history.
Star Wars fans are fricking autistic. They can't just watch a movie and see a laser gun they're so entrenched in their autism they have to see it as a Zargorp 63-BK shortstock developed in 78bba by the Hutt Corp to fight the droid uprising on Babooine caused by the spice miners overtaxing the system due to an embargo by the republic using gamma class 4Z cruisers and as soon as anything contradicts that they have a meltdown. How are you supposed
to make anything in the parameters they set? You could make a film set 60000 years before the prequels and some sperg would ape out because in his mind it would contradict some stupid shit some other sperg wrote in a childrens comic
b***h shit didn't even make semse woth the confines of it's own film. If Holdo's plan was to do the lightspeed ram thing, why didn't she do it at the start of them being chased instead of waiting for EVERY SINGLE REBEL SHIP TO DIE before she finally did it?
Why did Rose crash her speeder into Finn's when realistically that's just as likely to kill him as crashing into the laser would?
The Last Jedi is a story about the heroes desperately attempting to escape the pursuit of the villains, in which major characters leave and return completely undetected.
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee why does internal consistency and logic have to matter reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's fantasy there shouldn't be any rules reeeeeeeeeeee
Seriously, why are directors and writers so fricking prissy about adapting other set works with pre defined rules and consistency. It needs to be about them it needs to be their work and their project and their influence HAS to be visually apparent and in their opinion an improvement on the original.
as someone who works in hwood I can say with absolute certainty it's because these people have zero talent or ideas of their own
they either steal others work outright or 'deconstruct' it as a way of trying to appear clever and talented
without realizing it's completely creatively bankrupt and awful
arrogance mixed with lack of talent
they are not good enough to create something themselves, so they take pre-existing IPs and put their own spin on it so they can pretend they are talented
That's not the issue most people have with TLJ. The biggest problem is that it killed what little narrative drive the sequels might have had, which if you set aside boring characters, rehashing the OT and other flaws it had, TFA still tried to set up.
The biggest issue is that whoever tries to make SW sequels never gets what made the OT good, which is the opposite of what you're describing. It was simple, archetypal characters and storytelling, a fairytale set in space. A good way to make a sequel to that is to expand on that. That's what the PT tried to do, but it got too bogged down in what you're describing, plus a prequel was kind of pointless.
A bigger issue the ST had is that ignored a lot of what the OT had setup. It tried to rehash its basic premise(underdog rebels vs empire) even though it made no sense. The premise should have been back to something similar to the PT, good republic under attack by evil Siths. It should have also focused on Han and Leia's kids instead of rehashing the orphan farmboy story(but it's a girl, so it's different, so empowering). Make them spoiled, affluent kids in the New Republic, faced with their first real life experience(fighting a rising Sith menace).
The real problem isn't that Star Wars fan are autistic, it's that the people making these movies are pandering to an autistic audience.
>a Zargorp 63-BK shortstock developed in 78bba by the Hutt Corp to fight the droid uprising on Babooine caused by the spice miners overtaxing the system due to an embargo by the republic using gamma class 4Z cruisers
sounds like kino
Was the point where their hopes and arguments in favor of DisneyWars died. I watched it and just felt bored but I mostly
checked out when the EU was killed by the Vong and Traviss before Disney even touched it.
I love how these morons don’t realize Luke completed his character arc already in ROTJ and fully rejected the dark side right to the most evil man in the galaxy’s face.
There was literally no need to make him try and murder his nephew after going out of his way to not kill Darth fricking Vader of all people.
If they wanted to go that route they should've gone the opposite route. >Luke has a bad dream >Has faith in Kylo >Kylo does the thing anyways >Luke devastated that his hope and compassion lead to him losing everything becomes a bitter hermit
EZPZ
But you see that would be an actually interesting subversion that would play with a character trait that the audience saw as positive and showing the down sides of it.
this anon shit out a better movie than millionaire writers and directors
Actually the movie came out 8+ years ago, so it technically took him much longer than 5 seconds.
This is why writing takes time. There's no such thing as writing something brilliant on the first go. You have to develop a premise and then refine it as you practice telling the story multiple times while being your biggest critique to try and make it bulletproof. Disney could not do this because there was too much money to be made also death of Star Wars was likely the goal.
It recontextualizes it into a message about even if it fails it's still better to hold faith for those that need it still. Kylo fell but that doesn't mean that everyone else will nor that giving into despair is a healthy coping mechanism.
>nor that giving into despair is a healthy coping mechanism.
I remember that theme too, in ESB. Luke totally pulled that one off.
But how oh how could we just do a crappy version of the story of a plucky young jedi going finding an exiled master on a hidden planet but the master doesn't want to train them and says no but then a blue transparent ghost of their past appears and they decide to train the new jedi so they do some vague physical stuff and then the master explains the concept of the force to the jedi and then the master puts the jedi in a spooky cave where they see vague visions that probably connect to the plot but then afterwards the young jedi gets visions from across the galaxy and learns their friends are in danger so they go off to rescue them despite the master telling them not to do so and eventually the old jedi fades away without ever having left the planet he was on. What a new and bold story that has never been told before better that some crappy director tried and failed to cash in on.
The problem is the scene wasn't really about Luke's character. It was about giving Kylo a sympathy he didn't actually need to make room for Reylo.
Kylo's whole character was that he was insecure in himself as a person and latched on to his family legacy in order to feel like a big man with Snoke taking advantage of that insecurity from a young age. He was probably the most meta thing in TFA and Johnson, who clearly loved getting meta about that shit, weirdly pulled back on it with his character
>Luke completed his character arc already in ROTJ and fully rejected the dark side
TLJ arc builds off his non-dark side impulsivity that has always been a part of the character
the fact that he redeemed Vader doesn't mean he could never fail to his instincts again
> the fact that he redeemed Vader doesn't mean he could never fail to his instincts again
Movie still would give some reason why this wasn’t the most blisteringly obvious plan A if it wasn’t made for and exclusively defended by idiots.
>the flaws established in Return of the Jedi
The movie that deals with Luke specifically getting over his hot-headedness, and learning to forgive his father, and reject the dark side?
>people make one good decision when faced with temptation and never ever EVER succumb to it again, especially under wildly different contexts, stressors, and pressures
Star Wars fans don't understand how humans work.
If they wanted to go that route they should've gone the opposite route. >Luke has a bad dream >Has faith in Kylo >Kylo does the thing anyways >Luke devastated that his hope and compassion lead to him losing everything becomes a bitter hermit
EZPZ
This would just make Luke look like a dumbass. He's experienced with the dark side. He knows the consequences: decades of oppression, war, and death. Luke had the freedom to be trusting with his father: he was ready to lose everything to bring him back. Now fast forward 20 years: Luke has settled into a peacetime galaxy, is responsible for several dozen young lives and, by virtue of all of them being insane space wizards, the lives of the entire galaxy. You see why he now has the burden of greater responsibility, right? And how that might influence his decision-making (which he didn't even follow through with once he regained his composure)? Who am I kidding, Wookieepedia readers don't know anything about responsibility.
>shows mercy to his father, who was one of the most feared man in the universe, who had previously killed Obi-Wan in front of him >30 years of maturity later, decides to kill his nephew for being an angsty teenagers
No, that's dumb. It doesn't follow.
>oh well you see Luke grew increasingly paranoid about the Sith returning, due to his now role of patriarch of the Jedi
Maybe he did. It would have been nice to see some of that.
No matter how you look at it, it's a story with a huge chunk missing that would explain why a familiar character is acting out of character.
>He's experienced with the dark side. He knows the consequences: decades of oppression, war, and death
Not really, actually. Luke got of very easy in regards to the darkside. The old "show compassion to the evil one" worked when he tried it. What happens when it doesn't work, and is Luke going to assume it would work again, since it worked before? Those are legitimate places you could go with a continuation of his story.
Man, that would even line up with the whole "did you come to save my soul?" line from Kylo. It would make sense for him to be goading him that way, if that had actually happened previously.
Rian Johnson is a fricking idiot.
>This would just make Luke look like a dumbass
It would at least track with the finale of the character.
>I managed to sway back my father, who was an actual literal child murderer, from the dark side and show him the light again. >SURELY I can handle one angsty teen.
But no, Rian's writing is so poor he goes
>Okay, I know that even thinking about killing with darkside feelings in my heart is super fricking dangerous. We're talking I almost went nuts because of it. >And I have firmly established that, instead, reaching out with the light side does work. >I have literally tried both of these options in the past and one failed and one worked even on a waayyyy worse case.
Now, someone not full on stupid would build off that. Obviously he's not going to just redo the thing that didn't work in a case where it makes far less sense to even attempt it, right? Maybe show Luke trying to reach him? Build up that it wasn't working? Give a single line of dialogue that even implies he tried? Nope. Not a single line. Go ahead, check yourself, if you can listen instead of looking at pretty colors. He does not say a line of dialogue or show onscreen a single instance where he tried the very effective method of dealing with darkside corrupted family members.
But that would be hard. That would involve evolving the character, building off the accomplishments and giving him something new instead of just redoing Yoda. After all, TFA just copied the original trilogy and people watched that, surely if he just badly copied Yoda it'll work. Who cares if it makes no sense for the character? These scenes were in the good movie, so this is a good movie. And some dumbasses who say the stupidest shit will defend it online after critics go all in. What's the worst that could happen?
>complex character arc
But that's not what happened at all. Luke's transformation from the person we see at the end of ROTJ to the guy we meet in TLJ happened entirely off-screen.
but...people want the action figure. ROTJ sold action figures for another 20 years after the movie came and went which paid for all the other Lucas failures and kept the lights on at Lucasarts until Disney came along. Sounds an awful lot like people want their action figure, not a brooding weirdo in a beard that drinks blue milk
Most of his stuff is high budget student films with "subversive" ideas that don't hold up to geniune scrutiny. He wraps himself in layers of sarcasm anc meta observations to defend himself from the basic argument that his writing is shit and he has nothing meaningful to say.
What an absolutely grim fate it would be to make it as a Director and be so creatively bankrupt and uncreative you can't use that position to make anything good.
>Most of his stuff is high budget student films with "subversive" ideas that don't hold up to geniune scrutiny. He wraps himself in layers of sarcasm anc meta observations to defend himself from the basic argument that his writing is shit and he has nothing meaningful to say.
>star wars manbabies couldn't handle le auteur Rian Johnson being original!!!!
The last act of The Last Jedi is literally the opening of Empire Strikes Back and the climax of Return of the Jedi smooshed together
Urm, no it’s not, incel. ROTJ’s cimax actually shifted the status quo, it’s much more preferable for characters to remain stagnant, you’d never expect that, nor would you understand it for that matter. It’s too avant guard for your tiny manbaby skull
It's poorly written, it fits extremely poorly in with established canon and rules on top of being disrespectful to the franchise, the lead actor is extremely bland and their co-star overcompensates, the supporting cast is very hit and miss, the action choreography is extremely lackluster.
>Rian tried to make actual movies
Literally the opposite of the truth. Lucas made actual movies that, despite their faults, told legitimate stories in an honest and un-ironic fashion.
Johnson makes 2-hour youtube sketches that are ultimately little more than practical jokes at the audience's expense.
I liked it, Johnson tried to throw a hand grenade under the lore and shake things up. It may not have worked properly and the grey-Jedi thing wasn't as convincing as it should have been, but he gave it a shot. If they kept on that course maybe the third installment would have been better, but instead they pussied out and went back to the safe good/bad dichotomy.
>Johnson tried to throw a hand grenade under the lore and shake things up
Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi.
well, it is the best of the sequels,it's the only one that's at least interesting to analyze because -something- is there.
jar jar abrams did far more damage than ryan did but he's spielberg's darling so people don't look at him
i just saw the video he was referencing, why is the mirroring of the two characters important or sensible? why would ray be performing kylo's moves, whats the thematic relevance of this
it's trash, like most of Rian movies. The only pro I can say about the last jedi compared to the other 2 JJ trashfires is having actually decent cinematography
It's amazing that they never attempted to link those 1,000 Reys with the Palpatine clones. Like the one visual piece of storytelling they accidently run across, and it's completely avoided.
Everything looks like an unreal AI generated wallpaper. The purposeless nihilism of the story is somehow coded into every image so that it voids any beauty of color or contrast.
I don't even think it's purposeless nihilism but it's definitely very twisted and the the ugly images mirror that. It's very much like Rian, a moderately intelligent white testolet who grew up in California surrounded by the exact kinds of people you'd expect.
While the rest of the movie is shit, the finale of Force Awakens was as close to "Star Wars" as anything in the ST came. It literally gets thrown away in Last Jedi.
Half of its script is genuinely terrible, but anyone who was blindsided by TLJ after lapping up TFA like a good little goy needs to kill himself ASAP. Watching Rian destroy JJ's shitty mystery boxes made TLJ worth it. Plus the film actually had a good visual identity, unlike JJ's cookie-cutter slop.
>peacefully bringing them to a halt
What a moronic attempt to misguide viewers, downright insidious, the problem is Luke accomplished nothing. The resistance is dead at the end of the movie so he didn't stop shit nor did he save anyone at all.
Star Wars is kind of shit. The story and lore just aren't that interesting. Only two factions, and they did nothing to make new interesting ones, pretty weak villains, rather boring main characters.
It's a movie full of internal inconsistencies that just don't gel together even though they don't outright contradict each other. RLM unironically hit the nail on the head with their example of the whole premise being that everyone is stranded on a ship running out of fuel but people just seem to come and go as they please. And I'm surprised they stopped at that because there are more examples like the rebels switching between being presented as a merry group of misfits to a strict military command as the narrative demands. TECHNICALLY it was alwasy justified in the moment. TECHNICALLY it was never said you can't weaponise ligthspeed. TECHNICALLY everyone had means and motives to leave the rebel ship being chased by the empire (or whatever it's called in the sequels). Even the amount of technobabble seemed out of place compared let's say to Rogue One where, even though a lot of relays, ships and satellites were involved in the whole plan, they kept ot very analogue.
There are other issues like major plot arcs building up to no pay offs as if doing nothing is a subversion with value in and of itself or major characters becoming caricatures.
Oh and obviously the whole master codebreaker sub plot...
Because there was an Asian female in it and she was something like the 17th most important character in the plot, which means the whole thing is woke garbage.
I liked the idea of it, but it already existed in the SW universe as Nar Shaddaa, which we knew already. Canto Bight as a place introduced as what it was so late makes one question if it was allowed to operate under the Empire, was it around during the Clone Wars, etc etc and these questions don't get answers in what we get presented.
i mostly don't like how it was designed and filmed like a scene from the prequels... and then the shitty dialogue about the slaves and capitalism, even though I agree... it was just made in the most cringe way imaginable.
Cato Neimoidia was a Separatist world, it probably got bombed to shit during the war. Nar Shaddaa was in Huttspace and was unmolested by the Clone War because the Hutt Cartel stayed neutral-ish.
Two things utterly killed it for me
-Holdo shitting all over Poe. 'Listen to your superiors (female) even when when they seem to make zero sense' is not really the message I come to epic space fantasy flicks for. Also was very clearly supposed to be Leia's role but probably Fisher was too coked out to finish shooting.
-hyperspace ramming, what a big 'frick established setting rules, only spectacle matters' moment
The rest of the movie mas mostly just boring. Luke's stuff was also handled poorly but was at least interesting. Only serviceable element was the Rey/Kylo romance which was a 6/10 teen angstfic.
whelp, Kit Kat is actually not wrong at all here. People want campy cartoon fun where good guys with blue lasers shoot bad guys with evil red lasers. They do not want very deep, dark, thoughtful, overly annoyingly dramatic, insightful "DRAMA" with themes and lessons about real world shit.
They WANT the dumb fun fantasy, everyone wants the dumb fun fantasy. No one ever asked for Star Wars to become some Godfather wannabe levels of drama, shades of gray bullshit.
Star Wars brought in views because of the cool WWII action in space with ships shooting each other in huge set pieces. No one ever really had that before, or it was Star trek wobbling the camera around while the actors kept saying they were being shot at.
Prequels were all about jedi backflipping and twirling lightsabers like a German nightclub. It's two sets of fans that want two different things, but at the same time they want campy fun cartoon action. Not dramatic shades of gray shit
I stopped caring after TFA. I think I watched TLJ on television, with commercial break and all this shit. I fell asleep before it ended. I watched everything up to the salt planet.
It was whatever. I guess I liked Rey and Kylo's relationship and that scene where Luke explains the Force.
I'm lost as to what in the hell any other director was supposed to do with Episode 9 after the main villain died, the resistance was killed off to about 4 people, most of the villain army was blown up too...where in the hell was the story supposed to go after all that? Rian ended the fricking series.
Kylo as the main villain. Power him up and make him do a bunch of bad things. You can even continue his relationship with Rey and end it on bittersweet note with her being forced to kill him to save her friends or something.
Bringing Palpatine back was the worst thing they could do.
>Kylo as the main villain. Power him up and make him do a bunch of bad things. You can even continue his relationship with Rey and end it on bittersweet note with her being forced to kill him to save her friends or something.
this
it would have been extremely easy to build off of 8 and make it sing just based off of this one sentence you wrote
they hired a smug talentless twerp and he single handedly ruined the entire franchise out of pure spit
it's awful
>Kylo as the main villain.
Wow that moany homosexual, who got bullied by the hero on her first outing followed by a ghost, how ever will the rebellion overcome him?
>Kylo as the main villain
No, he's not. If Rian honestly believed this he really is moronic and has no business being a writer. A villain needs to be... a villain. An actual threat that creates conflict for the protagonist and be overcomed. Also a bad guy - usually. Without that there's no tension.
Saying "power up" doesn't save the fact that Kylo was bested in the first movie Rey, the hero, before she had any training and learned to be OP. He's subordinate to people that are themselves a joke (Hux) or trivially already defeated (Snoke). Which logically makes him less threatening than them. He's less threatening than an old man alien in a bathrobe that was defeated, in Rian's own movie, more on accident without trying than anything.
He's emotionally unstable, but not in a threatening way. In a pathetic teenager or even comical sort of way.
He's not even that villainous, despite canon patricide. Because the only thing the sequel trilogy had going for it it was a Twilight thing where girls and gays were fans of him as a romance badboy. This innately makes him sympathetic. You're not scared of "I can fix him." The audience doesn't want Bella to kill Edward because he's a bad vampire and she's a good girl. Again, Rian himself made a movie building up a romantic bond between him and the Protagonist. What's more, in another act of Hollywood male humiliation they have her turn HIM down and leave him humiliated and defeated in the finale of the second movie. He's cucked and alone without a strong brave female to complete him (which is what he really wants according to Rian. Not power or dark learnings from his loser master). So again, he's already emotionally triumphed over. Maybe if Rey gave him pity sex he would be turned over to the light side, but she's too good for that. Does anyone believe he could successfully turn/corrupt her? He already failed to do that in Rian's movie.
I would have made the wannabe vader kid (whose name I already forgot) the main villain, it just seemed the only logical thing to do.
Yes, boring, but bringing palpatine back was also boring on top of being monumentally stupid.
Rogue One and Solo were actually good movies, and the kind of thing that Disney should have been doing with the franchise instead of the steaming pile of shit that was the nu trilogy.
Why is that every time TLJ defenders pop up, they only ever talk about the Luke/Rey/Ren story? That's only a third of the movie. Even if it was good, it doesn't save it.
If you really want them to just leave ask if this is such a great and moving and strong direction for Luke's character, why'd they have Rey just breeze past it? After all, if making such a big mistake and growing from it is such an amazing story and totally not a shitty attempt at copying ESB's plotline again, why not give any of it to Rey? She just brushes past the Darkside thing. Doesn't even consider it for more than a second. Never makes a major mistake at any point in the movie. The closest thing she does to a mistake is facing Lame Palpatine, and that's instantly fixed for her by the fallen darkside apprentice who she just talked to while being brought to the old crinkly darkside master about coming back to the light side only for him to insist he wouldn't help her and then turns on his old master right when it seems the new jedi is about to be killed in a number of scenes that is in no way lifted from a movie people actually liked and didn't drop like a fricking rock after 3 days.
Sure is a strange number of "Defenders" that think that her character arc was just as good despite it being everything they claimed Luke's was, and worse...
This was one of the biggest criticisms Abrams faced from TFA and TRoS. He copied loved scenes from ANH and Jedi, just plopped them into his movies, but he didn't understand what made them work in the first place. At least Lucas understood Campbell's work and got the whole point of the hero's journey and Luke's arch in the Lucas movies was basically plotted along those lines. But Rey had none of that, there was no sense of her growing and failing along the way and learning from it. Even when Luke learned an awful truth (that Vader was his father) it rocked him to his core. Rey finds out she's a nobody, shrugs her shoulders and goes on with it. Then she finds out she's Palpy's granddaughter and her reaction is the same. She never gets that gut punch or fails and has to pick herself up off the ground or is mailed like Luke was when he lost his hand (all of which are parts in the hero's journey).
Part of the reason Abrams and friends missed out when copying those scenes is Rey basically starts out with the Konami Code turned on right from the beginning.
>is mailed like Luke was when he lost his hand
Kind of hard to do that when the universe will literally blink weapons out of existence right in front of you to keep her from getting any sort of serious injury.
All that was missing was Kathleen stomping out on set and demanding to see the manager, because her perfect baby couldn't possibly have messed that up, someone has to answer for this!
Finn's plot was to put him and Rose on the bad guy ship to duel with Phasma. Finn should have been allowed to kamikaze though. Poe's plot was a girl power political message so youre right there.
>There were two doors, thus creating an airlock. She closed the one behind her (off camera) and opened the one in front of her. This is how airlocks work. >(off camera)
YouTube comments are wild.
I'm still astounded that no one at LFL or Disney said "we need a roadmap of what we're going to do for a trilogy" before making it. Instead they just told israelite israelite and Rian "here you go, do what you want" and then acted shocked that a whole lot of people said "it's just a cheap remake of A New Hope" for TFA and "it makes no sense at all" about TLJ.
Leftists think companies are these giant evil mega structures led by unscrupulous dictators but at the end of the day most companies are horribly managed and don't even get their own employees to do a half-decent job.
Star Wars needs to just stop making movies or shows. I read online recently that Kennedy said she saw video games as the future for what star wars is about and honesty she's right, its the most sensible thing anyone has said about star wars in like 25 years. The movies are just over and done, they need to just hand the IP off to other studios and essentially let them do what they want. They need to get over the ST and just go around it which is mostly what they've done themselves anyway. All the better shit was written by people not at Disney since the buyout. Andor and the Fallen Order stuff were both written by outside teams. Just do what Lucasfilm was doing for years and hand the rights to external creators like candy and theyll do what they've always done and "fix" it.
Better than what anyone at Disney has done. They might as well just turn it over to other people and collect money from that imo. Its their best bet someone else does the work and they just collect royalties or whatever, imo they've proven they can't figure it out themselves.
Just say >uhhhh write either OT or "500 years later" after the movie, do whatever you want
I honestly think that's just what they should do
they should just have went with Lucas' script. but JJ is one of those people who thinks he understands Star Wars better that its creator, so of course he made his own shitty mystery box bullshit story that is never resolved
Half of the movie feels like something from Attack of the Clones, and the other half puts way too much burden on the audience to make sense of (even if that part isn't entirely Johnson's fault). The humor is grating. I still think it's the best of the sequels, but it's a genuinely annoying movie to sit through.
its repugnant and you have no taste
people like you are THE problem with the state modern cinema
always explaining away terrible media with your patented fencesitting >BRO ITS NOT THAT BAD JUST WATCH IT EVEN IF ITS TERRIBLE AT LEAST IM NOT ALONE WITH MY THOUGHTS FOR 2 HOURS
>I still think it's the best of the sequels
kek, no. TFA was trash but the trilogy still had some promise. TLJ was literal diarrhea and doomed any chance the trilogy had. TROS was fricked before it was even made due to this. You're not gonna pull off an epic great ending to a trilogy while at the same time making a trilogy worth of films in one movie due to what the middle of the trilogy did. No sense putting TROS at the bottom when it would only be there directly due to TLJ deciding to shit all over TFA and TROS just to be subversive. TFA>TROS>TLJ
>TFA was trash but the trilogy still had some promise.
It really didn't. TLJ could have been a much better movie even on its own terms so I'll never let it off the hook, but TFA completely sank the trilogy and the background of the story between ROTJ and the sequels on top of also being deeply moronic on its own terms just like TLJ.
>2017: It sucks >2019 (post TRoS): It was actually genius >2022 (post Glass Onion): No, it doesn't even stand on its own shitty merits...it always fricking sucked
Coming up with new IP isn't even what's important. What's important is writing a good story, at which these people suck. That is the problem, and it really has nothing to do with Star Wars.
Ahsoka must have bombed hard if the shills are trying to do reputation repair on The Last Jedi again. Fans are never going to accept that piece of shit.
Rian Johnson only made TLJ, so he didn't make movies, he a made a movie. I'm not sure he tried to make it a real movie, whatever that means, but whatever he did, tried is the operative word here. I think he tried to recapture the magic of Empire Strikes Back but at the same time do the opposite of everything that made it memorable, because? Whatever his intention was, he failed, unsurprisingly, you do the exact opposite of what made a good sequel good and the result is bad.
>ruins every character in the movie >casts laura fricking dern and makes her the most insufferable b***h that kills herself instead of taking responsibility for her subordinates
If you compare Luke in Jedi to Luke in TLJ you can clearly see he turned into a fricking clown... oh, and Rian has always been trying to make actual movies, he just hasn't come close to succeeding yet. His output is garbage.
remember when Disney paid journalists to say everyone who thought this move sucked was a white supremacist alt righter. that whole thing must of woke up millions of normal gays who just thought it was shit into not trusting the media
yet at the same time it guilted these low IQ morons into praising Disney even more case they saw everyone that thought it as shit being the Sith.
He took the usual star wars stupidness like spaceships working as if they were boats and cranked it up to 11. The opening 'battle' was basically the equivalent of a set of wright brother's plane trying to bomb an aircraft carrier. The timeline was all fricked up since he wanted to make a chase movie but had to fit a side plot in there in the stupidest way possible. And the only purpose of that side plot was to go 'oo, rich people profit off wars!' Then you had the whole spy thing which meant absolutely nothing. It felt as if he was trying to fit all of his dumb ideas in with nobody trying to stop him, with nothing but the blandest 'shock scenes' to back it up. It was literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen but it was just so bad that it at least had me laughing the entire time. The guy should honestly just stick to films like Knives Out because that doesn't require having to stop and think too much about how things should work. Even the scifi bits in Looper make zero sense when you stop to think about it. That film would have been better if they dropped the time travel angle entirely except for his future self travelling back to the past because the whole 'future blunderbuss, sending people back in time to kill them,' part was stupid
>And the only purpose of that side plot was to go 'oo, rich people profit off wars!'
What I don’t get about that is x-wings are what allow the resistance to even be a threat to the first order. So thank god someone at a casino was selling them. What are the resistance supposed to do, hug the empire to death? Write scratching posts on Instagram or whatever? Point is, it’s hardly a condemnation to be a weapons dealer when those weapons are critical to protecting the galaxy against planet destroying lasers.
To add, it seems like the purpose of the scene was to disillusion Finn and make him question the conflict. But like, why would a former stormtrooper of all people care about war profiteering? The way they write his character is a little bizarre to me. His identity as a stormtrooper seems conditional; it only matters when the plot requires him to know about something, which is also inconsistent (he knows the inner workings of the fake Death Star enough to understand it’s weakness but he can figure out the simple point and shoot gun turret in a tie fighter.). Anyways, if you wanted him to question the conflict, they should have shown him footage of a stormtrooper transport getting gunned down by an x-wing, and you hear the pilot celebrating going “YEEEEE-HAAAW! Bagged me another one!” Then del-toro would say something like, “see, war is war. To the enemy, you’re just a target. A man in a mask. You’re nobody.” That would actually unbalance Finn and make him question his role in the resistance.
But then you would have to frame the resistance’s morality as questionable, which you simply can’t have in this movie, EVEN in the scene that’s trying to disillusion a main character.
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>Does POINT BREAK explore latent homosexuality in extreme sports culture?
They have a point there tbph, though its hardly buried in the film
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>oh you didn't like our last movie because you thought it was a cheap ripoff of ANH? Well, guess what, here's Empire, but we subverted all the themes in order to, like, deconstruct star wars or something. The point is it's meta so you can't say it's a lazy cop out for not having any original ideas
The fact that hardly anybody could see through this still makes me mad
>i don't remember a moronic casino planet
That would be the new planet our side characters go off to in the middle of the movie while escaping the empire so they can meet up with a new character but the new character betrays them to the Empire. The only original part of this is the inexplicable subplot of saving a bunch of racing animals while ignoring child slaves while the rebels are getting killed off. Kind of telling when that's the part he didn't rip off.
> or slow space ship chase in empire
That would be the section of the movie where the heroes are chased by the Empire and they have to figure out some way to avoid them but even though it looks like they snuck past, it's soon revealed the Empire knows their escape and chases them down.
Only instead of a side adventure with a worm monster on an asteroid, it's a sideplot where Poe learns he needs to blindly obey the new person while ships are literally dying behind them because she's a woman and women know what's best. Original!
that's a stretch at best. the only way you could go from empire to those scenes is if they took the empire script and boiled it down to bulletpoints and then refilled them. granted that's probably what they
>that's a stretch at best.
No yeah total stretch to equate specific subset of characters going on a specific mission to meet someone and having that someone betray them to the evil empire in the second movie of a trilogy.
Total stretch to also say the second movie of a trilogy having a space chase centered around side characters and not the main who is off training with an exiled master on a deserted planet who go off to meet with said new character and then are betrayed by said character is a stretch, there must be some other movie that this happens in. Literally any other movie besides the one being ripped off.
>Rian tried to make actual movies
He failed miserably, if that's the case. The elements of The Last Jedi that are most famous are the scenes of laughable kids-movie-esque schlock that match-up to some of the worst and most laughable parts of the Prequel Trilogy.
The same exact reason why people hate Glass Onion. It uses your expectations going into the film to give you the opposite of what you want and then makes fun of you for wanting the thing that you expected to get. They're mean-spirited, contemptful movies.
And I dislike the sequels because they basically copy all the motions of the original trilogy (random from desert planet, superweapon, mentor dying, etc) it wants to believe its different but at the same its obviously a focus tested marketing exec product.
Ryan (yes, Ryan, not Rian, his parents must have been as moronic as him) tried to deconstruct the movie, and somehow thinks destroying something is art (it isn't)
It sucked.
>rian tried to make actual movies
He didn't but lets assume that's the reason. If it is why did gayloni slop flop so badly?
its a masterpiece because he made it bad on purpose because the past needed to be killed.
> If it is why did gayloni slop flop so badly?
Because people didn’t see the warning signs with rebels.
Rian is cute
because it's shit. who's ryan?
What scene is that
It's the one where she's swinging her lightsaber at a rock formation and cuts it in half and it falls and almost hits one of the muppets that lives on the island. Truly one of the scenes in cinematic history.
>Why do people hate the Last Jedi?
Because it's the worst movie I've ever seen. It's a hundred toimes worse than ''bad'' movies like The Room.
Star Wars fans are fricking autistic. They can't just watch a movie and see a laser gun they're so entrenched in their autism they have to see it as a Zargorp 63-BK shortstock developed in 78bba by the Hutt Corp to fight the droid uprising on Babooine caused by the spice miners overtaxing the system due to an embargo by the republic using gamma class 4Z cruisers and as soon as anything contradicts that they have a meltdown. How are you supposed
to make anything in the parameters they set? You could make a film set 60000 years before the prequels and some sperg would ape out because in his mind it would contradict some stupid shit some other sperg wrote in a childrens comic
Rian's other movies are also bad.
Looper made Kansas City in the latter 21'st look plausible.
this baiting sperg clearly heard about BBY before
It was dogshit from a narrative standpoint you disingenuous moron.
b***h shit didn't even make semse woth the confines of it's own film. If Holdo's plan was to do the lightspeed ram thing, why didn't she do it at the start of them being chased instead of waiting for EVERY SINGLE REBEL SHIP TO DIE before she finally did it?
Why did Rose crash her speeder into Finn's when realistically that's just as likely to kill him as crashing into the laser would?
The Last Jedi is a story about the heroes desperately attempting to escape the pursuit of the villains, in which major characters leave and return completely undetected.
Go 60000 years into the future
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee why does internal consistency and logic have to matter reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's fantasy there shouldn't be any rules reeeeeeeeeeee
Seriously, why are directors and writers so fricking prissy about adapting other set works with pre defined rules and consistency. It needs to be about them it needs to be their work and their project and their influence HAS to be visually apparent and in their opinion an improvement on the original.
as someone who works in hwood I can say with absolute certainty it's because these people have zero talent or ideas of their own
they either steal others work outright or 'deconstruct' it as a way of trying to appear clever and talented
without realizing it's completely creatively bankrupt and awful
arrogance mixed with lack of talent
they are not good enough to create something themselves, so they take pre-existing IPs and put their own spin on it so they can pretend they are talented
>Star Wars fans are right brain focused and high IQ
ok and?
why are you left hemisphere tards always angry
That's not the issue most people have with TLJ. The biggest problem is that it killed what little narrative drive the sequels might have had, which if you set aside boring characters, rehashing the OT and other flaws it had, TFA still tried to set up.
The biggest issue is that whoever tries to make SW sequels never gets what made the OT good, which is the opposite of what you're describing. It was simple, archetypal characters and storytelling, a fairytale set in space. A good way to make a sequel to that is to expand on that. That's what the PT tried to do, but it got too bogged down in what you're describing, plus a prequel was kind of pointless.
A bigger issue the ST had is that ignored a lot of what the OT had setup. It tried to rehash its basic premise(underdog rebels vs empire) even though it made no sense. The premise should have been back to something similar to the PT, good republic under attack by evil Siths. It should have also focused on Han and Leia's kids instead of rehashing the orphan farmboy story(but it's a girl, so it's different, so empowering). Make them spoiled, affluent kids in the New Republic, faced with their first real life experience(fighting a rising Sith menace).
The real problem isn't that Star Wars fan are autistic, it's that the people making these movies are pandering to an autistic audience.
>a Zargorp 63-BK shortstock developed in 78bba by the Hutt Corp to fight the droid uprising on Babooine caused by the spice miners overtaxing the system due to an embargo by the republic using gamma class 4Z cruisers
sounds like kino
>It's the FANS that are the REAL problem!
Was the point where their hopes and arguments in favor of DisneyWars died. I watched it and just felt bored but I mostly
checked out when the EU was killed by the Vong and Traviss before Disney even touched it.
Chuds BTFO
These are the same people that now drink bud light piss water out of spite to own the chuds
Insufferable
I love how these morons don’t realize Luke completed his character arc already in ROTJ and fully rejected the dark side right to the most evil man in the galaxy’s face.
There was literally no need to make him try and murder his nephew after going out of his way to not kill Darth fricking Vader of all people.
If they wanted to go that route they should've gone the opposite route.
>Luke has a bad dream
>Has faith in Kylo
>Kylo does the thing anyways
>Luke devastated that his hope and compassion lead to him losing everything becomes a bitter hermit
EZPZ
nope
can't have the white hero be good to a fault
need to have him murder children
But you see that would be an actually interesting subversion that would play with a character trait that the audience saw as positive and showing the down sides of it.
Kino.
Amazing how some gay on here can make a more interesting plot in all of 5 fricking seconds
Actually the movie came out 8+ years ago, so it technically took him much longer than 5 seconds.
This is why writing takes time. There's no such thing as writing something brilliant on the first go. You have to develop a premise and then refine it as you practice telling the story multiple times while being your biggest critique to try and make it bulletproof. Disney could not do this because there was too much money to be made also death of Star Wars was likely the goal.
this anon shit out a better movie than millionaire writers and directors
Yep. See that would make sense as a progression of his story, and lend some context to why he lost faith in the ways of the Jedi.
he shouldn't become a bitter hermit at all. he should have a wife and his own kids. Why wouldn't he? I never understood that about the sequels.
They wanted to make him into Obi-Wan
but you don't want to undo the message of the OT that you should have faith in friends and family
It recontextualizes it into a message about even if it fails it's still better to hold faith for those that need it still. Kylo fell but that doesn't mean that everyone else will nor that giving into despair is a healthy coping mechanism.
>nor that giving into despair is a healthy coping mechanism.
I remember that theme too, in ESB. Luke totally pulled that one off.
But how oh how could we just do a crappy version of the story of a plucky young jedi going finding an exiled master on a hidden planet but the master doesn't want to train them and says no but then a blue transparent ghost of their past appears and they decide to train the new jedi so they do some vague physical stuff and then the master explains the concept of the force to the jedi and then the master puts the jedi in a spooky cave where they see vague visions that probably connect to the plot but then afterwards the young jedi gets visions from across the galaxy and learns their friends are in danger so they go off to rescue them despite the master telling them not to do so and eventually the old jedi fades away without ever having left the planet he was on. What a new and bold story that has never been told before better that some crappy director tried and failed to cash in on.
This is such a simple fix. It fits with the ending of RoTJ and actually asks interesting and challenging questions of it. Well done
The problem is the scene wasn't really about Luke's character. It was about giving Kylo a sympathy he didn't actually need to make room for Reylo.
Kylo's whole character was that he was insecure in himself as a person and latched on to his family legacy in order to feel like a big man with Snoke taking advantage of that insecurity from a young age. He was probably the most meta thing in TFA and Johnson, who clearly loved getting meta about that shit, weirdly pulled back on it with his character
KINO
>Luke completed his character arc already in ROTJ and fully rejected the dark side
TLJ arc builds off his non-dark side impulsivity that has always been a part of the character
the fact that he redeemed Vader doesn't mean he could never fail to his instincts again
stop trying to justify this dogshit you ass bandit
> the fact that he redeemed Vader doesn't mean he could never fail to his instincts again
Movie still would give some reason why this wasn’t the most blisteringly obvious plan A if it wasn’t made for and exclusively defended by idiots.
somebody needed to get this hothead outta here if you ask me.
>Chuds
Transphobic shithead
>the flaws established in Return of the Jedi
The movie that deals with Luke specifically getting over his hot-headedness, and learning to forgive his father, and reject the dark side?
>people make one good decision when faced with temptation and never ever EVER succumb to it again, especially under wildly different contexts, stressors, and pressures
Star Wars fans don't understand how humans work.
This would just make Luke look like a dumbass. He's experienced with the dark side. He knows the consequences: decades of oppression, war, and death. Luke had the freedom to be trusting with his father: he was ready to lose everything to bring him back. Now fast forward 20 years: Luke has settled into a peacetime galaxy, is responsible for several dozen young lives and, by virtue of all of them being insane space wizards, the lives of the entire galaxy. You see why he now has the burden of greater responsibility, right? And how that might influence his decision-making (which he didn't even follow through with once he regained his composure)? Who am I kidding, Wookieepedia readers don't know anything about responsibility.
>shows mercy to his father, who was one of the most feared man in the universe, who had previously killed Obi-Wan in front of him
>30 years of maturity later, decides to kill his nephew for being an angsty teenagers
No, that's dumb. It doesn't follow.
>oh well you see Luke grew increasingly paranoid about the Sith returning, due to his now role of patriarch of the Jedi
Maybe he did. It would have been nice to see some of that.
No matter how you look at it, it's a story with a huge chunk missing that would explain why a familiar character is acting out of character.
>He's experienced with the dark side. He knows the consequences: decades of oppression, war, and death
Not really, actually. Luke got of very easy in regards to the darkside. The old "show compassion to the evil one" worked when he tried it. What happens when it doesn't work, and is Luke going to assume it would work again, since it worked before? Those are legitimate places you could go with a continuation of his story.
Man, that would even line up with the whole "did you come to save my soul?" line from Kylo. It would make sense for him to be goading him that way, if that had actually happened previously.
Rian Johnson is a fricking idiot.
>This would just make Luke look like a dumbass
It would at least track with the finale of the character.
>I managed to sway back my father, who was an actual literal child murderer, from the dark side and show him the light again.
>SURELY I can handle one angsty teen.
But no, Rian's writing is so poor he goes
>Okay, I know that even thinking about killing with darkside feelings in my heart is super fricking dangerous. We're talking I almost went nuts because of it.
>And I have firmly established that, instead, reaching out with the light side does work.
>I have literally tried both of these options in the past and one failed and one worked even on a waayyyy worse case.
Now, someone not full on stupid would build off that. Obviously he's not going to just redo the thing that didn't work in a case where it makes far less sense to even attempt it, right? Maybe show Luke trying to reach him? Build up that it wasn't working? Give a single line of dialogue that even implies he tried? Nope. Not a single line. Go ahead, check yourself, if you can listen instead of looking at pretty colors. He does not say a line of dialogue or show onscreen a single instance where he tried the very effective method of dealing with darkside corrupted family members.
But that would be hard. That would involve evolving the character, building off the accomplishments and giving him something new instead of just redoing Yoda. After all, TFA just copied the original trilogy and people watched that, surely if he just badly copied Yoda it'll work. Who cares if it makes no sense for the character? These scenes were in the good movie, so this is a good movie. And some dumbasses who say the stupidest shit will defend it online after critics go all in. What's the worst that could happen?
>complex character arc
But that's not what happened at all. Luke's transformation from the person we see at the end of ROTJ to the guy we meet in TLJ happened entirely off-screen.
but...people want the action figure. ROTJ sold action figures for another 20 years after the movie came and went which paid for all the other Lucas failures and kept the lights on at Lucasarts until Disney came along. Sounds an awful lot like people want their action figure, not a brooding weirdo in a beard that drinks blue milk
>Already went through an Arc when him and his father killed Palpatine
>Sorry that doesn't count
>Chuds BTFO
Has Rian Johnson ever made a real fricking movie?
Most of his stuff is high budget student films with "subversive" ideas that don't hold up to geniune scrutiny. He wraps himself in layers of sarcasm anc meta observations to defend himself from the basic argument that his writing is shit and he has nothing meaningful to say.
What an absolutely grim fate it would be to make it as a Director and be so creatively bankrupt and uncreative you can't use that position to make anything good.
I liked looper
>Most of his stuff is high budget student films with "subversive" ideas that don't hold up to geniune scrutiny. He wraps himself in layers of sarcasm anc meta observations to defend himself from the basic argument that his writing is shit and he has nothing meaningful to say.
THIS
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dudes a big fat zero
anyone who's worked in film or the arts in a professional capacity will agree
Brick was his first and last good movie. It was mostly plagiarized from old hardboiled novels, which is why it's good.
anything besides the original trilogy shouldn't exist
>star wars manbabies couldn't handle le auteur Rian Johnson being original!!!!
The last act of The Last Jedi is literally the opening of Empire Strikes Back and the climax of Return of the Jedi smooshed together
No it wasn't chud, it was a SALT planet.
It's also Helms Deep and that John Carpenter movie.
>somehow missed that it’s not Hoth
Not surprising. Chuds don’t have listening skills.
Urm, no it’s not, incel. ROTJ’s cimax actually shifted the status quo, it’s much more preferable for characters to remain stagnant, you’d never expect that, nor would you understand it for that matter. It’s too avant guard for your tiny manbaby skull
He blatantly ripped off Escape From L.A.
So stunning.
So brave.
So creative and original.
It's poorly written, it fits extremely poorly in with established canon and rules on top of being disrespectful to the franchise, the lead actor is extremely bland and their co-star overcompensates, the supporting cast is very hit and miss, the action choreography is extremely lackluster.
>Rian tried to make actual movies
Literally the opposite of the truth. Lucas made actual movies that, despite their faults, told legitimate stories in an honest and un-ironic fashion.
Johnson makes 2-hour youtube sketches that are ultimately little more than practical jokes at the audience's expense.
Who hates first?
You hate first, I hate first?
Genuinely not enough porn of her in that outfit with the tight pants that go up to her ankles
I liked it, Johnson tried to throw a hand grenade under the lore and shake things up. It may not have worked properly and the grey-Jedi thing wasn't as convincing as it should have been, but he gave it a shot. If they kept on that course maybe the third installment would have been better, but instead they pussied out and went back to the safe good/bad dichotomy.
>Johnson tried to throw a hand grenade under the lore and shake things up
Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi.
ive never seen a rebuttal to tlj criticism that wasnt just "ur a chud"
It's undignified, ugly garbage. One look at Rian tells you exactly what went wrong.
Cause..it was shit?
Why do you hate it op?
well, it is the best of the sequels,it's the only one that's at least interesting to analyze because -something- is there.
jar jar abrams did far more damage than ryan did but he's spielberg's darling so people don't look at him
i just saw the video he was referencing, why is the mirroring of the two characters important or sensible? why would ray be performing kylo's moves, whats the thematic relevance of this
God I hate how people are constantly "hurd durr this scene is so brilliant because xyz" with absolutely everything no matter how shit or mundane.
>Youtube comment section
yes exactly what I'm talking about. Although endless video essays also fit the bill.
gays who watch RLM
Because it was a boring pile of shit that killed the story dead and crapped all over Luke.
it's trash, like most of Rian movies. The only pro I can say about the last jedi compared to the other 2 JJ trashfires is having actually decent cinematography
>actually decent cinematography
Not really. The colors are all fricked up and the actors are ugly. A lot of the framing isn't great either.
Looks off to me.
It's amazing that they never attempted to link those 1,000 Reys with the Palpatine clones. Like the one visual piece of storytelling they accidently run across, and it's completely avoided.
Everything looks like an unreal AI generated wallpaper. The purposeless nihilism of the story is somehow coded into every image so that it voids any beauty of color or contrast.
I don't even think it's purposeless nihilism but it's definitely very twisted and the the ugly images mirror that. It's very much like Rian, a moderately intelligent white testolet who grew up in California surrounded by the exact kinds of people you'd expect.
Zero (0) engaging images
While the rest of the movie is shit, the finale of Force Awakens was as close to "Star Wars" as anything in the ST came. It literally gets thrown away in Last Jedi.
Rouge 1 is the least shitty Disney SW movie
First half is a total mess. As soon as they go to Scarif it becomes considerably more enjoyable.
Half of its script is genuinely terrible, but anyone who was blindsided by TLJ after lapping up TFA like a good little goy needs to kill himself ASAP. Watching Rian destroy JJ's shitty mystery boxes made TLJ worth it. Plus the film actually had a good visual identity, unlike JJ's cookie-cutter slop.
it had become a lazy way to get a rise out of anons. AND THEN it got stale
TLJ defenders are almost always sub 50 iq leftists. Coincidence?
A piece of shit
It’s evil trash poorly made and should be cast into gahenna
TLJ sucked but the Luke island which is a real place in Ireland is incredible and instead of porgs there are just a shit ton of puffins
Because they have awful taste.
>peacefully bringing them to a halt
What a moronic attempt to misguide viewers, downright insidious, the problem is Luke accomplished nothing. The resistance is dead at the end of the movie so he didn't stop shit nor did he save anyone at all.
do shills still pretend TLJ is a bespoke auteur piece? I'd figure they'd stop when the checks stopped
anons shitposting for (You)s
Star Wars is kind of shit. The story and lore just aren't that interesting. Only two factions, and they did nothing to make new interesting ones, pretty weak villains, rather boring main characters.
Peak midwit post that.
It's pop junk.
How could I hate what killed Disney Wars?
I liked it when mark sucked the alien milk breasts
I still think that Rey should have lost a limb. Freaking Tetsuo from the Akira Anime movie lost an arm and he is much stronger than Rey.
>Rian tried to make actual movies
I am sure that one day he will finally succeed.
It's a movie full of internal inconsistencies that just don't gel together even though they don't outright contradict each other. RLM unironically hit the nail on the head with their example of the whole premise being that everyone is stranded on a ship running out of fuel but people just seem to come and go as they please. And I'm surprised they stopped at that because there are more examples like the rebels switching between being presented as a merry group of misfits to a strict military command as the narrative demands. TECHNICALLY it was alwasy justified in the moment. TECHNICALLY it was never said you can't weaponise ligthspeed. TECHNICALLY everyone had means and motives to leave the rebel ship being chased by the empire (or whatever it's called in the sequels). Even the amount of technobabble seemed out of place compared let's say to Rogue One where, even though a lot of relays, ships and satellites were involved in the whole plan, they kept ot very analogue.
There are other issues like major plot arcs building up to no pay offs as if doing nothing is a subversion with value in and of itself or major characters becoming caricatures.
Oh and obviously the whole master codebreaker sub plot...
ok yeah, anyway moving on.
Is this from after they paywalled On Cinema?
>Is this from after they paywalled On Cinema?
yes I think so. Its kino as frick
great post
Because there was an Asian female in it and she was something like the 17th most important character in the plot, which means the whole thing is woke garbage.
I have no interest in Star Wars movies but I think Daisy is hot
I also love androgynes
She's hot like how Keira Knightley is.
Imagine the butt (only hole) sex
https://www.redgifs.com/watch/newsneakyauklet
>american accent
Unfortunate
Rey's tummy should have been exposed for the entire trilogy
a costume like Padme's that got ripped in Ep2 would have been nice
She has a nice tight body. But her underbite (?) Is a bit distracting
Uh, excuse you, that would have been literal RAPE.
>be Luke
>decide to run away
>want to be alone and never bothered again
>also leave a map so someone can find me and bother me
>have Luke drink alien titty milk because its a comedy!!!!
That's a good scene tho.
>I'm good at collecting (You)s.
It was not a good movie.
Even disregarding it’s connection to the rest of Star Wars the film itself is poorly made
I JUST LOOOOVE CANTO BYTE SO MUCH GUYS
I liked the idea of it, but it already existed in the SW universe as Nar Shaddaa, which we knew already. Canto Bight as a place introduced as what it was so late makes one question if it was allowed to operate under the Empire, was it around during the Clone Wars, etc etc and these questions don't get answers in what we get presented.
i mostly don't like how it was designed and filmed like a scene from the prequels... and then the shitty dialogue about the slaves and capitalism, even though I agree... it was just made in the most cringe way imaginable.
Cato Nemoidia is a better fit
Cato Neimoidia was a Separatist world, it probably got bombed to shit during the war. Nar Shaddaa was in Huttspace and was unmolested by the Clone War because the Hutt Cartel stayed neutral-ish.
Jesus Christ I hate this modern trend where you can't just criticize something before saying how great of a job the actors did.
Passive-aggressive criticism is the hallmark of reddit.
guy literally spawn the career of dozens of movie "analysts" on youtube
I've never seen this. Who is she fighting? A stone monster or something
Two things utterly killed it for me
-Holdo shitting all over Poe. 'Listen to your superiors (female) even when when they seem to make zero sense' is not really the message I come to epic space fantasy flicks for. Also was very clearly supposed to be Leia's role but probably Fisher was too coked out to finish shooting.
-hyperspace ramming, what a big 'frick established setting rules, only spectacle matters' moment
The rest of the movie mas mostly just boring. Luke's stuff was also handled poorly but was at least interesting. Only serviceable element was the Rey/Kylo romance which was a 6/10 teen angstfic.
whelp, Kit Kat is actually not wrong at all here. People want campy cartoon fun where good guys with blue lasers shoot bad guys with evil red lasers. They do not want very deep, dark, thoughtful, overly annoyingly dramatic, insightful "DRAMA" with themes and lessons about real world shit.
They WANT the dumb fun fantasy, everyone wants the dumb fun fantasy. No one ever asked for Star Wars to become some Godfather wannabe levels of drama, shades of gray bullshit.
the good guys shoot red lasers in SW
I thought it was GI:Joe that reversed the good guy bad guy laser color
the prequel generation was never supposed to be star wars fans. if the prequels never came out they would probably hate what star wars was.
The prequels are literally less straight forward campy movies about space lasers than the originals were.
the prequels basically created the idiocracy of star wars fans
Wrong
No, you're just a fricking moron.
Did he cry watching Ahsoka too? I only ever saw him cry about Mando S2
>this homosexual hated Andor
>nnooooo not my hecking wholesome 100 clone trooperinos!
we don't post selfies here
>The Ewoks movie isn't a dumb light-hearted space adventure, but the one where a guy kills a bunch of kids is
Don't see your angle, tbh.
False
Star Wars brought in views because of the cool WWII action in space with ships shooting each other in huge set pieces. No one ever really had that before, or it was Star trek wobbling the camera around while the actors kept saying they were being shot at.
Prequels were all about jedi backflipping and twirling lightsabers like a German nightclub. It's two sets of fans that want two different things, but at the same time they want campy fun cartoon action. Not dramatic shades of gray shit
I stopped caring after TFA. I think I watched TLJ on television, with commercial break and all this shit. I fell asleep before it ended. I watched everything up to the salt planet.
It was whatever. I guess I liked Rey and Kylo's relationship and that scene where Luke explains the Force.
Rian made the story he wanted instead of 2h30m of fanservice like TFA and Rogue One.
he made a stand alone movie, in the middle of a new star wars trilogy. he is literally moronic
I'm lost as to what in the hell any other director was supposed to do with Episode 9 after the main villain died, the resistance was killed off to about 4 people, most of the villain army was blown up too...where in the hell was the story supposed to go after all that? Rian ended the fricking series.
Rian was moronic enough to believe that Disney would take a clean slate and use it to reinvent the wheel.
Kylo as the main villain. Power him up and make him do a bunch of bad things. You can even continue his relationship with Rey and end it on bittersweet note with her being forced to kill him to save her friends or something.
Bringing Palpatine back was the worst thing they could do.
>Kylo as the main villain. Power him up and make him do a bunch of bad things. You can even continue his relationship with Rey and end it on bittersweet note with her being forced to kill him to save her friends or something.
this
it would have been extremely easy to build off of 8 and make it sing just based off of this one sentence you wrote
they hired a smug talentless twerp and he single handedly ruined the entire franchise out of pure spit
it's awful
>Kylo as the main villain.
Wow that moany homosexual, who got bullied by the hero on her first outing followed by a ghost, how ever will the rebellion overcome him?
>Kylo as the main villain
No, he's not. If Rian honestly believed this he really is moronic and has no business being a writer. A villain needs to be... a villain. An actual threat that creates conflict for the protagonist and be overcomed. Also a bad guy - usually. Without that there's no tension.
Saying "power up" doesn't save the fact that Kylo was bested in the first movie Rey, the hero, before she had any training and learned to be OP. He's subordinate to people that are themselves a joke (Hux) or trivially already defeated (Snoke). Which logically makes him less threatening than them. He's less threatening than an old man alien in a bathrobe that was defeated, in Rian's own movie, more on accident without trying than anything.
He's emotionally unstable, but not in a threatening way. In a pathetic teenager or even comical sort of way.
He's not even that villainous, despite canon patricide. Because the only thing the sequel trilogy had going for it it was a Twilight thing where girls and gays were fans of him as a romance badboy. This innately makes him sympathetic. You're not scared of "I can fix him." The audience doesn't want Bella to kill Edward because he's a bad vampire and she's a good girl. Again, Rian himself made a movie building up a romantic bond between him and the Protagonist. What's more, in another act of Hollywood male humiliation they have her turn HIM down and leave him humiliated and defeated in the finale of the second movie. He's cucked and alone without a strong brave female to complete him (which is what he really wants according to Rian. Not power or dark learnings from his loser master). So again, he's already emotionally triumphed over. Maybe if Rey gave him pity sex he would be turned over to the light side, but she's too good for that. Does anyone believe he could successfully turn/corrupt her? He already failed to do that in Rian's movie.
I would have made the wannabe vader kid (whose name I already forgot) the main villain, it just seemed the only logical thing to do.
Yes, boring, but bringing palpatine back was also boring on top of being monumentally stupid.
Rogue One and Solo were actually good movies, and the kind of thing that Disney should have been doing with the franchise instead of the steaming pile of shit that was the nu trilogy.
Why is that every time TLJ defenders pop up, they only ever talk about the Luke/Rey/Ren story? That's only a third of the movie. Even if it was good, it doesn't save it.
People literally don't remember whatever Finn and Poe were doing, because it's all so boring and fillery.
1/3 good movie is still better than other movies in the trilogy.
Simple solution. Stop talking about this non-canon "Trilogy".
because it's the biggest dropped ball in a series of the biggest dropped balls in the history of cinema
If you really want them to just leave ask if this is such a great and moving and strong direction for Luke's character, why'd they have Rey just breeze past it? After all, if making such a big mistake and growing from it is such an amazing story and totally not a shitty attempt at copying ESB's plotline again, why not give any of it to Rey? She just brushes past the Darkside thing. Doesn't even consider it for more than a second. Never makes a major mistake at any point in the movie. The closest thing she does to a mistake is facing Lame Palpatine, and that's instantly fixed for her by the fallen darkside apprentice who she just talked to while being brought to the old crinkly darkside master about coming back to the light side only for him to insist he wouldn't help her and then turns on his old master right when it seems the new jedi is about to be killed in a number of scenes that is in no way lifted from a movie people actually liked and didn't drop like a fricking rock after 3 days.
Sure is a strange number of "Defenders" that think that her character arc was just as good despite it being everything they claimed Luke's was, and worse...
This was one of the biggest criticisms Abrams faced from TFA and TRoS. He copied loved scenes from ANH and Jedi, just plopped them into his movies, but he didn't understand what made them work in the first place. At least Lucas understood Campbell's work and got the whole point of the hero's journey and Luke's arch in the Lucas movies was basically plotted along those lines. But Rey had none of that, there was no sense of her growing and failing along the way and learning from it. Even when Luke learned an awful truth (that Vader was his father) it rocked him to his core. Rey finds out she's a nobody, shrugs her shoulders and goes on with it. Then she finds out she's Palpy's granddaughter and her reaction is the same. She never gets that gut punch or fails and has to pick herself up off the ground or is mailed like Luke was when he lost his hand (all of which are parts in the hero's journey).
Part of the reason Abrams and friends missed out when copying those scenes is Rey basically starts out with the Konami Code turned on right from the beginning.
>is mailed like Luke was when he lost his hand
Kind of hard to do that when the universe will literally blink weapons out of existence right in front of you to keep her from getting any sort of serious injury.
All that was missing was Kathleen stomping out on set and demanding to see the manager, because her perfect baby couldn't possibly have messed that up, someone has to answer for this!
>now you remember this stupid scene....
bravo rian
Pretty much everything with Finn and Poe is inconsequential filler. If you removed them from the movie, nothing would change.
Finn's plot was to put him and Rose on the bad guy ship to duel with Phasma. Finn should have been allowed to kamikaze though. Poe's plot was a girl power political message so youre right there.
>duel with Phasma
so fricking boring, jesus christ Rian at least try to be original
calm down autist. i agree the movie is shit but the misconception that Finn's plot went nowhere is verifiably false.
>kills off the one cool character design not even 45 minutes after introducing her
quit the sequel trilogy after that
>ship explodes
>Princess Leia flies back to the ship from space instead of instantly freezing to death
>actual movie
also it happens without even the slightest set up. all of a sudden she is space superman.
i almost cringed to death in the theater
>the rebels clamour to open the airlock to save Leia, all of them become exposed to the vacuum of space
>nothing happens
>There were two doors, thus creating an airlock. She closed the one behind her (off camera) and opened the one in front of her. This is how airlocks work.
>(off camera)
YouTube comments are wild.
the whole theater started clapping and chanting RBG RBG RBG RBG
I'm still astounded that no one at LFL or Disney said "we need a roadmap of what we're going to do for a trilogy" before making it. Instead they just told israelite israelite and Rian "here you go, do what you want" and then acted shocked that a whole lot of people said "it's just a cheap remake of A New Hope" for TFA and "it makes no sense at all" about TLJ.
Leftists think companies are these giant evil mega structures led by unscrupulous dictators but at the end of the day most companies are horribly managed and don't even get their own employees to do a half-decent job.
They are evil because they make shifty content.
It's weird how the people who love TLJ with a passion are also the same people who complain about contrarians
As far as they see it, you are a contrarian, because you disliked a Star Wars movie that (they were told) everyone else liked.
Star Wars needs to just stop making movies or shows. I read online recently that Kennedy said she saw video games as the future for what star wars is about and honesty she's right, its the most sensible thing anyone has said about star wars in like 25 years. The movies are just over and done, they need to just hand the IP off to other studios and essentially let them do what they want. They need to get over the ST and just go around it which is mostly what they've done themselves anyway. All the better shit was written by people not at Disney since the buyout. Andor and the Fallen Order stuff were both written by outside teams. Just do what Lucasfilm was doing for years and hand the rights to external creators like candy and theyll do what they've always done and "fix" it.
>Andor and the Fallen Order stuff
Those sucked.
Better than what anyone at Disney has done. They might as well just turn it over to other people and collect money from that imo. Its their best bet someone else does the work and they just collect royalties or whatever, imo they've proven they can't figure it out themselves.
Just say
>uhhhh write either OT or "500 years later" after the movie, do whatever you want
I honestly think that's just what they should do
you just know they are going to cuck Andor season 2 after the rebels tried to overthrow the prison guards in Gaza last week.
dont movies require plot?
somehow star wars is just not good
Only gigantic morons believe TLJ has quality storytelling.
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>SW and Indy turn their main heroes into bitter old losers
>crumble
The mind of the onions faced midwit is such a fascinating place. They seem to live in some completely alternative universe.
>Why do people hate the Last Jedi?
1. no plan for the movies
2. political agenda
3. bad plot
replace the orange thing with a e-girl twilek and maybe
too many Black folk
It sucks. Cuz of the girlpower shit. In reality , kylo would overpower rey and grape her. Then kill her. End of trilogy
they should just have went with Lucas' script. but JJ is one of those people who thinks he understands Star Wars better that its creator, so of course he made his own shitty mystery box bullshit story that is never resolved
roundhead johnson is secretly based and puts hidden racism in his movies he learns from /misc/ and Cinemaphile memes. he is a lurker
Because it's trash that does not stay true to characters and the universe created by superior creatives.
Half of the movie feels like something from Attack of the Clones, and the other half puts way too much burden on the audience to make sense of (even if that part isn't entirely Johnson's fault). The humor is grating. I still think it's the best of the sequels, but it's a genuinely annoying movie to sit through.
its repugnant and you have no taste
people like you are THE problem with the state modern cinema
always explaining away terrible media with your patented fencesitting
>BRO ITS NOT THAT BAD JUST WATCH IT EVEN IF ITS TERRIBLE AT LEAST IM NOT ALONE WITH MY THOUGHTS FOR 2 HOURS
Are you illiterate?
go watch breaking bad for the 17th time you ugly homosexual
The movie opens with a Spaceballs level your mother joke was...and it was downhill from there.
At least Force Awakens had the good sense be a 75% copy of a New Hope.
The humor is bad, as I said. I like it more than TFA mostly for its cinematography. Both movies are bad, so it doesn't really matter.
>I still think it's the best of the sequels
kek, no. TFA was trash but the trilogy still had some promise. TLJ was literal diarrhea and doomed any chance the trilogy had. TROS was fricked before it was even made due to this. You're not gonna pull off an epic great ending to a trilogy while at the same time making a trilogy worth of films in one movie due to what the middle of the trilogy did. No sense putting TROS at the bottom when it would only be there directly due to TLJ deciding to shit all over TFA and TROS just to be subversive. TFA>TROS>TLJ
>TFA was trash but the trilogy still had some promise.
It really didn't. TLJ could have been a much better movie even on its own terms so I'll never let it off the hook, but TFA completely sank the trilogy and the background of the story between ROTJ and the sequels on top of also being deeply moronic on its own terms just like TLJ.
>2017: It sucks
>2019 (post TRoS): It was actually genius
>2022 (post Glass Onion): No, it doesn't even stand on its own shitty merits...it always fricking sucked
Coming up with new IP isn't even what's important. What's important is writing a good story, at which these people suck. That is the problem, and it really has nothing to do with Star Wars.
> Called the last jedi
> except for the other jedi: Quinlan Vos, Oppo Rancisis, Uvell, Ka-Moon Kholi, and Selrahc Elous.
I like the part where Luke dies by using the force too hard
I like the part where Luke tells Kylo he's beyond redemption only for the next movie to show that he is in fact not, by having Rey redeem him
Luke would never say something like that
>Frickin'
it's a simpsons reference newbie
Ahsoka must have bombed hard if the shills are trying to do reputation repair on The Last Jedi again. Fans are never going to accept that piece of shit.
Bait threads should be a bannable offense.
Can't. Gotta keep everyone here upset and agitated at all times.
Rian Johnson only made TLJ, so he didn't make movies, he a made a movie. I'm not sure he tried to make it a real movie, whatever that means, but whatever he did, tried is the operative word here. I think he tried to recapture the magic of Empire Strikes Back but at the same time do the opposite of everything that made it memorable, because? Whatever his intention was, he failed, unsurprisingly, you do the exact opposite of what made a good sequel good and the result is bad.
the terrible writing, characters, world building and action scenes.
>ruins every character in the movie
>casts laura fricking dern and makes her the most insufferable b***h that kills herself instead of taking responsibility for her subordinates
If you compare Luke in Jedi to Luke in TLJ you can clearly see he turned into a fricking clown... oh, and Rian has always been trying to make actual movies, he just hasn't come close to succeeding yet. His output is garbage.
remember when Disney paid journalists to say everyone who thought this move sucked was a white supremacist alt righter. that whole thing must of woke up millions of normal gays who just thought it was shit into not trusting the media
yet at the same time it guilted these low IQ morons into praising Disney even more case they saw everyone that thought it as shit being the Sith.
meds but also true
yes anon no billion dollar corporation or random journalists are that dirty the worlds really like in cape shit movies.
He took the usual star wars stupidness like spaceships working as if they were boats and cranked it up to 11. The opening 'battle' was basically the equivalent of a set of wright brother's plane trying to bomb an aircraft carrier. The timeline was all fricked up since he wanted to make a chase movie but had to fit a side plot in there in the stupidest way possible. And the only purpose of that side plot was to go 'oo, rich people profit off wars!' Then you had the whole spy thing which meant absolutely nothing. It felt as if he was trying to fit all of his dumb ideas in with nobody trying to stop him, with nothing but the blandest 'shock scenes' to back it up. It was literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen but it was just so bad that it at least had me laughing the entire time. The guy should honestly just stick to films like Knives Out because that doesn't require having to stop and think too much about how things should work. Even the scifi bits in Looper make zero sense when you stop to think about it. That film would have been better if they dropped the time travel angle entirely except for his future self travelling back to the past because the whole 'future blunderbuss, sending people back in time to kill them,' part was stupid
Hello friend
It sounds like you got filtered by my movie 🙂
That’s a blessing when the movie is shit.
>And the only purpose of that side plot was to go 'oo, rich people profit off wars!'
What I don’t get about that is x-wings are what allow the resistance to even be a threat to the first order. So thank god someone at a casino was selling them. What are the resistance supposed to do, hug the empire to death? Write scratching posts on Instagram or whatever? Point is, it’s hardly a condemnation to be a weapons dealer when those weapons are critical to protecting the galaxy against planet destroying lasers.
To add, it seems like the purpose of the scene was to disillusion Finn and make him question the conflict. But like, why would a former stormtrooper of all people care about war profiteering? The way they write his character is a little bizarre to me. His identity as a stormtrooper seems conditional; it only matters when the plot requires him to know about something, which is also inconsistent (he knows the inner workings of the fake Death Star enough to understand it’s weakness but he can figure out the simple point and shoot gun turret in a tie fighter.). Anyways, if you wanted him to question the conflict, they should have shown him footage of a stormtrooper transport getting gunned down by an x-wing, and you hear the pilot celebrating going “YEEEEE-HAAAW! Bagged me another one!” Then del-toro would say something like, “see, war is war. To the enemy, you’re just a target. A man in a mask. You’re nobody.” That would actually unbalance Finn and make him question his role in the resistance.
But then you would have to frame the resistance’s morality as questionable, which you simply can’t have in this movie, EVEN in the scene that’s trying to disillusion a main character.
finn is a nog thus has to be moral le good no matter what his character type or role
It felt like filler and the story sucked.
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>Does POINT BREAK explore latent homosexuality in extreme sports culture?
They have a point there tbph, though its hardly buried in the film
'Young, dumb and full of cum!'
Wow, did they seriously make an entire """academic course""" on how to project onto movies?
Knives out sucked, glass onion sucked even more. Everyone who pretends that these were good movies is sub 80iq troglodite
I hate women and minorities.
>twitter people are morons
Wow, big surprise there.
It was el crapo mcShit
>oh you didn't like our last movie because you thought it was a cheap ripoff of ANH? Well, guess what, here's Empire, but we subverted all the themes in order to, like, deconstruct star wars or something. The point is it's meta so you can't say it's a lazy cop out for not having any original ideas
The fact that hardly anybody could see through this still makes me mad
i don't remember a moronic casino planet or slow space ship chase in empire
if anything, tlj has more in common with spaceballs than star wars.
>i don't remember a moronic casino planet
That would be the new planet our side characters go off to in the middle of the movie while escaping the empire so they can meet up with a new character but the new character betrays them to the Empire. The only original part of this is the inexplicable subplot of saving a bunch of racing animals while ignoring child slaves while the rebels are getting killed off. Kind of telling when that's the part he didn't rip off.
> or slow space ship chase in empire
That would be the section of the movie where the heroes are chased by the Empire and they have to figure out some way to avoid them but even though it looks like they snuck past, it's soon revealed the Empire knows their escape and chases them down.
Only instead of a side adventure with a worm monster on an asteroid, it's a sideplot where Poe learns he needs to blindly obey the new person while ships are literally dying behind them because she's a woman and women know what's best. Original!
that's a stretch at best. the only way you could go from empire to those scenes is if they took the empire script and boiled it down to bulletpoints and then refilled them. granted that's probably what they
>that's a stretch at best.
No yeah total stretch to equate specific subset of characters going on a specific mission to meet someone and having that someone betray them to the evil empire in the second movie of a trilogy.
Total stretch to also say the second movie of a trilogy having a space chase centered around side characters and not the main who is off training with an exiled master on a deserted planet who go off to meet with said new character and then are betrayed by said character is a stretch, there must be some other movie that this happens in. Literally any other movie besides the one being ripped off.
read the rest of the post maybe
>Rian tried to make actual movies
He failed miserably, if that's the case. The elements of The Last Jedi that are most famous are the scenes of laughable kids-movie-esque schlock that match-up to some of the worst and most laughable parts of the Prequel Trilogy.
The same exact reason why people hate Glass Onion. It uses your expectations going into the film to give you the opposite of what you want and then makes fun of you for wanting the thing that you expected to get. They're mean-spirited, contemptful movies.
I thought glass onion was predictable though
And I dislike the sequels because they basically copy all the motions of the original trilogy (random from desert planet, superweapon, mentor dying, etc) it wants to believe its different but at the same its obviously a focus tested marketing exec product.
Ryan (yes, Ryan, not Rian, his parents must have been as moronic as him) tried to deconstruct the movie, and somehow thinks destroying something is art (it isn't)
It's slop. In every true sense of the word