Why do people hate this mindset, when this is how real people act?

Why do people hate this mindset, when this is how real people act?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do you really think people throw a quip while they're dying

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on how tough they are.
      >On his deathbed, Rothstein refused to identify his killer, answering police inquiries with "You stick to your trade. I'll stick to mine", and "Me mudder (my mother) did it."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His own mudder!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the muddah of his children

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On your deathbed doesn't necessarily mean just as they're about to die.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >do people really quip while they die?
      Libcuck writers with zero real world experience probably think so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"Dear me, I think I'm becoming a god" he said while dying of diarrhea
      wtf did Whedon mean by this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the fuck is that remotely a quip, he's just acknowledging that he's about to die, knowing his son is going to promote him to godhood post-mortem

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >do you really think people throw a quip while they're dying
      Josh whedon is a genius. It's really a mirror of the movie industry. It'll collapse soon and the last thing it'll be known for are quips.
      He's a poet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nero said something like "what an artist dies with me" as he was choking on his own blood, so... maybe.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some justify this shit and say "it's the characters way of coping with bad things!"

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This mentally has infested all of modern media. Nothing is taken seriously, nothing has genuine pathos, emotion or impact. It's all just haha le joke haha le quip haha le pop culture reference xD
    Of course this approach can also make for good stories, the problem is perhaps more on the execution side

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the issue is that nowadays every character has this mentality when it really should be restrained to comic relief so you can actually be serious when necessary.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The thing about comedic relief is that it is supposed to be relief from another tone or mood.
        That’s why Marvel Quips™ are so annoying.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name three hits in the past 3 months that fit this narrative.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was in the ER Sunday night thinking I was going to have a heart attack or stroke and after the first nurse took my vitals and symptoms he said, “another nurse will come over soon and basically ask you all the same questions I just did” and I replied without skipping a beat, “It’s okay, I can talk about myself all night.”
      It’s different ways of coping with a high stress situation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound in my neck in the back of an ambulance and they were wiping me down with iodine, I winced and one of the paramedics apologized to me and I said "Don't worry about me, just do what you have to do."
        Before they dropped me off they told me I was the coolest patient they ever had, I guess they were trying to keep me active and get my spirits up or whatever and I said back "I guess anything is better than giving Narcan to heroin addicts all night." I got a smirk out of the medic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I laugh hysterically when I'm in serious pain. I don't find it funny in the slightest, it's just what my body does. A doctor asked during a very painful procedure why I was laughing and the only thing I could respond with was "Because it really fucking hurts!"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're the joker

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I was bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound in my neck
          gang war or chud revolutionary?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Negligent discharge from a hunting rifle. Clipped me between my throat and my artery, I barely avoided an immediate death. It was kino

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              did you lock him up or did he get off because he was the vice president at the time?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dick got away with it but I learned never to go hunting with him again, that's for sure. Mistook me for a quail my ass.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Make it dark, make it grim, make it though
    The problem is that Whedon never did this. The peak of his "darkness" is the good guys not actively winning, and it's far more lighthearted than what most serious movies are like. The Whedon approach prevents any seriousness or gravitas from landing properly. It all comes off as parody, like the writer is saying "turn your brain off bro ignore how bad this is it's supposed to be fun you're a tryhard"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This mentally has infested all of modern media. Nothing is taken seriously, nothing has genuine pathos, emotion or impact. It's all just haha le joke haha le quip haha le pop culture reference xD
      Of course this approach can also make for good stories, the problem is perhaps more on the execution side

      do you really think people throw a quip while they're dying

      So this is that thing where autists can't recognize that people react to things and handle stress in different ways right
      2 examples, first one I got in a car accident when I was 18, my car flipped and rolled down a hill, car was smashed to shit and totaled
      I somehow step out of the car, see that the drivers side was crumpled in and that I was literal inches away from death and the first thing I did was make that "near life experience" joke from Fight Club
      Second example, I did a tour of duty in the middle east and my squad got shot at while we were out on patrol, everyone of us was in danger of being killed but no one got tense and silent, everyone either got angry or started cracking jokes about what shitty shots the guys gunning for us were, I remember one guy stood up and screamed at the top of his lungs "I bet if I was a goat you wouldn't miss me"
      He lost a leg to a roadside IED a few months later and was still making jokes in the hospital

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Listen dumb gay I am not watching your life I'm watching a movie. And if I want to take it seriously, it has to be at least slightly serious. When dangerous things happen and a character says "ohhhhh bro that's gotta huuurt you gotta watch your LANGUAGE! tell me your quip noW!! and half the audience laughs then it's not possible to take it seriously. It's a gigantic fear of sincerity and authenticity. It pokes fun at itself to deter you from criticising it, and always done by writers insecure of their writing and preemptively apologizing for it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice blog post, le reddat

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and then everyone clapped

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The issue isn't the jokes, dipshit. It's that the jokes undercut any tension or threat. No one gave a shit that Arnie was firing off one liners left and right in the 80s because it never diminished the stakes. The opposite is true in Disney shit where competent, threatening villains are no longer allowed and any challenges faced by the protagonists are immediately turned into jokes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >people react to things and handle stress in different ways right

          Correct. people who undercut every serious moment with a lay epic funny quip are annoying in real life and in movies. In this way Joss Whedon is very austisic

          The “reason” is because it makes the scene better by juxtaposing two different emotions. You seem to think that any breaking of tension is automatically self-referential and 4th wall breaking and it’s not. You’re just retarded. Again you expect a “real reason” fucking define what you mean. When does a story make a decision for a “real reason?” Do you mean thematic sense?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes Im sure a movie like say Titanic would be better if Jack made a funny quip while he was freezing to death in front of the woman he loves

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >makes the scene better by juxtaposing two different emotions
            You know what makes a scene better? Having one honest and heartfelt emotion instead of trying to immediately undercut it with a different one Every Single Time as your only technique to evoke a reaction.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought Andrei Rublev was a perfect movie, but now I understand that it's desperately missing a stupid quip or joke every 20 seconds. Thank you anon, now I understand storytelling.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you think anytime a person breaks tension it’s a meme? I think Cinemaphile has melted your brain. What do you mean “real reason.” It’s a made up story lol there’s nothing “real” about any of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a fucking super hero movie. the dramatic tension is gone in the next scene when the hulk is smashing up cgi aliens. they infantize the grim parts because its a kids movie. but man children with funkko pop collections cant understand that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people react to things and handle stress in different ways right

        Correct. people who undercut every serious moment with a lay epic funny quip are annoying in real life and in movies. In this way Joss Whedon is very austisic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not the point. Involving comedic moments into serious pathos is one thing. Manchester by the Sea is an example of a film that does this well, so is Parasite. Satantango is another great example. But there's a difference between funny moments being part of the emotional core and it being tacked on, substanceless nonesense. The problem isn't comedy that enhances pathos, but comedy that undercuts it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stop posting smart things on Cinemaphile. Go back to your film bachelor

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The "trauma response" argument falls on its face when the way these people act when near death/in danger is identical to their behavior just quipping normally. If you're joking as a way of dealing with stress and trauma it comes off differently than your normal personality, but mindless goyslop addicts like you and the Marvel audience at large couldn't tell the difference

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        didn't read

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People typically do not crack jokes when they're about to die

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      source?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrong
      ex ems here
      not only do people joke and quip we often have to take their phones away from them as they try and live stream their last moments
      i've had people tell me to let them film instead of helping

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >BUT LE *insert film* HAS QUIPS TOO YOU FUCKING CHUD!!!
    you morons really, really underestimate how overused they are today. it depends on what the joke is and how it's said in what context. today it's used to negate any emotional impact, reduce tensions so that you aren't having an emotional connection to the movie at all.

    rami's spiderman movies are quippy, but especially in the beginning of the movie, where the point was to introduce peter's powers and him awkwardly trying to find his hero persona. when his uncle dies that's when the movie gets serious.

    movies need to have a flow of tone, so sometimes some humor is necessary. but when you use quips in every singe situation, you are telling the audience you shouldn't care about what's happening.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Americans cant handle "bad ending" movies

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    In 1915 on the shores of Gallipoli, Australian troops were dug in on almost completely indefensible ground, against a superior force of Turkish soldiers. Disease and pestilence was rife, and nearly 1 in 3 of the men on Gallipoli would die there. And yet in the depths of the night when the guns would quiet, against the backdrop of rhythmic surf, the Turkish soldiers who knowing full well they were the lucky ones, could hear laughter coming from the other trenches.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Australians 100 years ago were nuts
      wow what a revelation

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Problem is that Marvel movies and Whedon movies just overdo it so so so much
    Comic relief can work. Watch Terminator 2, Arnie dies and it's meant to be a kinda sad scene and just as he's about to disappear you can see the thumbs up. It's comic relief and it makes you smile a bit BUT IT DOESN'T UTTERLY RUIN THE SCENE.
    Now imagine if instead of the thumbs up his whole head dived out and said "I'LL BE BACK" and winked at the camera. It would utterly ruin the scene and suck all the emotion out of it, just for a cheap momentary laugh.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What have I read? You are truly an imbecile if you've concluded that the ending scene, where the Terminator gives a ‘thumbs up’ in any form of "comic relief" is absurd and exposes how dull-witted you are. Comic relief? Ludicrous. How can a person ever think of such a scene as comic relief? You simpleminded fool, one of the critical aspects of the film is showing the audience that a machine can learn to become human. That was Sarah Conner's entire ordeal in T2, she keeps the T-800 at arm's length and is always wary. The ‘thumbs up’ signify that the machine can, in fact, learn to become human, giving the ‘thumbs up’ indicates that it has learned from John Conner and understands why John softy weeps as he descends to his death (along with the previous scene in the desert, where the T-800 ask why John Conner was crying, indicating a lack of understanding, however, through its experience, finally gasping an understanding of human emotion, ultimately, a machine has empathized with man), as a comforting gesture, he gives a thumbs up to express that everything is going to be alright. Please leave, and go back to /r/etarditte. Fucking gay.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when this is how real people act?
    I'm an EMT and I can tell you that it's extremely uncommon to see people in good spirits when in a crisis or injured. It happens but not anywhere near how Joss Whedon portrays it People can find humor in extremely grim circumstances , sure, but the problem with Joss Whedon is that he is a horribly unimaginative writer when it comes to understanding what kind of people are like this and why. With Whedon, these kinds of jokes are just bland entertainment meant to appeal to the audience because he has no idea how to build genuine tension in his works. In real life, seeing humor in traumatic situations is a form of emotional catharsis and often completely nonsensical. It's a coping method.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine how shitty the season 5 finale of buffy would have been if they did this.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shut the fuck up you Westerner. This problem isn't even a new phenomena, talking about how irony has ruined Western media by preventing genuine feeling has actually been noted since the 90s. Indeed, having dumb quip during a serious moment is a symptom of this disease. And one might argue, it extends beyond media, but to Western society as a whole, hence why you have OP thinking this is normal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just basic writing.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not at all how real people act. They make jokes after the fact, not during.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me its the dance off in the first guardians film, a marvel loving mate wanted to watch it for his birthday
    when that dance off happened everyone was in fits of laughter, i seemed to be the only one of the opinion that it completely destroyed the seriousness of the entire scene, some dude was about to destroy a planet and kill possibly trillions of beings but nah fuck that lets do a little dance and crack a joke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You picked literally the one comedy among Marvel movies to complain about it being comedic. Good job you retard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i haven't watched the others, other than the first two iron men, marvel films are utter toss and i think you need genuine brain damage to be an actual fan of these films

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make it dark
    >make it grim
    >but then, for the love of God, completely undermine whatever sense of pathos you've managed to achieve with a quip
    That's fucking horrible advice.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you not know what Bathos is?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you? Cause it has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Low-brow and gayy.

          https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bathos

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Low-brow and gayy.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HAVING LE HECKING JOKE RUINS THE MOMENT

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you crack a joke at the end of this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it in yet?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I laughed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So do the parents sign a permission slip or was this filmed in a country where you can just do whatever you want to children?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the quote applies when talking about a full movie but it would be retarded if you apply it as a rule for every scene so you can't have any sad and dark scenes at all.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These were both instances where it worked and felt natural. Marvel doesn't always execute like this and it usually feels forced or takes away from the moment.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people usually cry for mommy when they cry, not make jokes
    source: watch any execution video or war footage

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I heard from an EMS they usually just go "fuck fuck fuck" or like "I don't want to die, I don't want to die" over and over.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just look at any execution video
      >compared to people dying on their own terms through sacrifice
      The internet has rotted your brain.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    reminds me of that episode of ds9 where they're trying to secure a crashed dominion ship and dax keeps cracking jokes until sisko tells her that nobody is laughing and she needs to stfu and everybody needs to start acting professionally and serious

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