Why do people love this scene so much? Are we going to pretend that Roy wasnt a psychopath serial killer or something?
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Why do people love this scene so much? Are we going to pretend that Roy wasnt a psychopath serial killer or something?
Because this shit was made by and for illiterates
because it's got SOVL
Whats so soulful about it?
it's a humanising moment for him though. he's seen and done incredible things, but he's destined for the scrap heap like any other piece of technology at the the end of its usefulness.
>but he's destined for the scrap heap like any other piece of technology at the the end of its usefulness.
Roy has long stopped being useful to anyone, his death is like that of a human being
kinda the point i was making, just worded poorly. he had experienced far more and "lived" a far more incredible "life" than most humans ever would, but he was scheduled to be decommissioned like he was a malfunctioning radio or something. which i suppose is one of the ideas the movie explores, where is the line between technology and humanity
>Roy has long stopped being useful to anyone, his death is like that of a human being
Congrats, you understood the scene (sort of).
>it's a humanising moment for him though
Yes, which is why it is BAD
It's moronic bullshit, that means it's super deep and good
>4-year life imitation imposed on
It's a bug not a feature. This shit movie is just wrong on everything, there is not one thing it does right.
>It's a bug not a feature.
In the movie it is explicitedly stated the the 4 year life span is created to stop Nexus 6 Models from rebelling
Yes, that's what I'm saying, the movie gets everything wrong. Everything in the movie is either outright wrong or flipped in some strange way.
The short lifespans are because "they couldn't figure out the problem of cell replication"(whatever that means) and they're working on it just like they're working on beating the VK
You are aware that the movie never pretends to be anything more than loosely based on the novel? Thats why its called Blade Runner. Tbh i was surprised reading when Dick said that it looked exactly the way he imagined his world to look. I read the novel before the movie, and i imagined something entirely different, much more post-apocalyptic while reading the novel.
To me (and factually) the novel is just a very strong inspiration, and blaming the film for not adheering to the novel is pretty stupid.
biggest difference between the movie and the book I remember is they turned the cool religious hermit moron character into some kind of rain man tinkerer. in the book he was well-chiseled window into the life of a reclusive autistic person. and yeah he was living in depopulated ruins, not a cyberpunk dystopia.
>You are aware that the movie never pretends to be anything more than loosely based on the novel?
No, I don't know that. That's why I could barely stomach 10 minutes of this picture. I was lead to believe it is an adaptation.
He's moronic(a chickenhead) from the radiation poisoning. He works as a driver for a "veterinary clinic", JR and Deckard and two halves of the same coin, they're both just normal guys trying to get by with what they have but it's never enough. Turning him into some fricking major creator of androids brought low ruins him as a secondary protagonist
Earth is a dying hellhole because of the nuclear war.
>No, I don't know that. That's why I could barely stomach 10 minutes of this picture. I was lead to believe it is an adaptation.
Sounds like youre autistic tbh, a human being just realizes "oh ok, its very loosely based on it" and tries to gauge the film for what it is.
No they dont, the only allusion as to who gets to Colonies is made by Pris to JF Sebastian, when it turns out he's only on earth because of his disease.
If it is so "loosely based" it is completely unrecognizable except for a couple names they should've made an original picture.
>tries to gauge the film for what it is.
On its own it is empty emotionless trash
Yes, that's why the movie is shit
You're shit.
Which means one way or another, Roy lives with an artificial and very limited life, leading to his anger and frustration towards humanity, like Gods who created this terrible life condition one way or another, and why he pursues escape from that life limitation
Because we can sympathize with a killers pain
really? You can sympathize with a killer?
I bet you think you're like dexter too.
I've seen things you anons wouldn't believe... Black folk in pools off the plaza of Habbo... I watched drones glitter in the dark near Shia's cabin. All those moments will be lost in time, like piss in a ocean of piss... Time to reeee.
Are you people pretending to be moronic? Replicants were used as slaves, hunted, particularly Roy developed his consciousness while being used as a warslave, no identity, no history, nothing. He only kills to be able to escape the cruel 4-year life imitation imposed on Replicants for the simple reason that they are as a matter of fact not just machines. When he finds out, that he wont be able to extend his life, he accepts his death and turns Deckard into the last witness of his existance, thats why he doesnt kill him but plays around with his prey. We feel for Roy, because his fate mirrors ours, slaves, destined to die, nothing of us remaining after we pass. He tried to escape that fate but couldnt. Its not Rocket Science to understand this scene.
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the subtext is also that Roy is a proto-jesus figure
Tyrell (god) created Roy synthetically (virgin birth), after realizing that he's destined to die he accepts his fate and forgives Deckard (Peter) before dying
it was also probably the most faithful execution of DADOES, actually, since at the end of DADOES Deckard essentially just goes back to his life, completely misunderstanding the impact of Roy. Dick's books always end in an incredibly depressing way.
also in DADOES, Deckard and the rest of the humans are viewed in a transitional space between humanity and post-humanity, where Deckard is a force of nature, more like the grim reaper, and the replicants in general are more human than humans. Humanity's new religion is virtual suffering via an internet-jesus using sympathy machines, while the replicants experience true suffering in a way that most human beings have become unable to comprehend.
Amazing write up my man, you mirror my feelings on the implication of the replicants exactly. Here's something i wrote on it some years ago, translated by ChatGPT
The replicants, these über-existentialists, embody a state of consciousness that represents the condition of understanding human existence because, although their condition in the world of Blade Runner is an exceptional state, it essentially only represents the heightened state of human existence itself. As long as we, as humans, believe that we are someone, that we are going somewhere, as long as we have hope, we have not yet faced the reality of what it really means to be human. This reality is: we are slaves, unfree, we are Sisyphus, we too rush into our own predetermined death, all our memories will irreversibly disappear, we cannot plug the holes of the indeterminacy of our being with the rag that we call our "self," as Tyrell tries with Roy. More human than human means: we only understand what it means to be human when we understand that we, as humans, are replicants ourselves. To be a replicant means to be an organic machine with a pre-programmed death, always aware of the approaching end. There is this wonderful scene, after Roy has killed Tyrell, in which we see the starry sky and Roy experiences a kind of enlightenment or final transformation. His last illusion, his last hope of escaping death, was shattered. Only now is he truly free. His pursuit of Deckard seems like a performance, like artistic self-expression and a celebration or affirmation of one's own transience. Roy's death is sad, but it is also a final marveling at life and an acknowledgment of death.
based trips
yeah there's a sad overlap where there's context missed unless you've both read the short story while also watching the movie where Deckard undergoes a transformation at the very end of the short story, essentially fundamentally unable to return to normal life, but also unable to do anything about it. I disagree with Scott's assertion that Deckard is a replicant.
agreed, Flow my Tears is spectacular. I've read just about everything with the exception of VALIS, including Exegesis
Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich is still something I need to go back and re-read. I can't really imagine how it'd be turned into cinema, but it's incredibly depressing and intriguing at the same time
not him but VALIS is the most interesting thing I read from PKD, and I've read somewhere around 75% of his material. reading it was a bit of a supernatural experience for me, don't really have much of an explanation. I don't even really remember the contents of the book, I just remember having a fricked up time when reading it, which isn't even remotely normal for me in my sane normal level-headed secular life.
the whole time I was reading the book I kept experiencing minor coincidences. things like I would read the word "mercer" in the book at the same exact time the bus com would say "mercer street", or I'd be walking down the street randomly thinking about a TNMT book I liked as a child and turn the corner and almost run into someone wearing a TNMT shirt. normal coincidences nothing weird about them other than the frequency, it was happening like 10-20 times a day. made everything feel fake. but what made the whole thing really weird is that I finished the book on the bus(mainly read during a bus trip I made for work during this time) a friend of mine texted me and told me he was at the bar near my apartment. I met up with him and didn't have a bag or anything so I was just carrying my book. he was hanging out with a couple of chicks, one of them asked what book I was reading, I showed her, and she pulled out the same edition of the same book from her bag. and that was it, zero coincidences after that. no explanation, dramatically stands out from my standard life experiences, I still wonder what happened. if it was just a "coincidence" that it all went down while reading VALIS I don't know, I wonder if the book was just written in some fricked up way that fricked with me. been meaning to reread it but I haven't gotten around to it, been almost a decade now.
This is definitely the post of a sane level headed secularist
I don't have a single non-secular experience other than that one in 31 years of life.
In your sane level headed 31 years of life, yes
I had similiar coincidences while reading Flow My Tears. I shit you not, a series of strange and mysterious coincidences.
>completely misunderstanding the impact of Roy
What? He had no impact. His retiring was basically off screen. Rachel throwing his goat off the roof had an impact on him, THAT is the emotional scene at the heart of the story. It kicked off a whole religious experience. But for some reason this movie doesn't have any of that, it doesn't have any of the focus on animal husbandry, I don't think it's even post-nuclear war. It has the owl at the Rosen offices but it doesn't mean anything, nothing in this movie means anything
he was a killer but I would also, probably, kill the Tyrell guy that created me
>father creates you to be fully conscious high iq
>makes you a lifelong slave
>added bonus is an unfixable 4 year lifespan
rebelling against this is one thing that makes them human
in the book however they are true psychopaths
Tyrell Corporation deserved to be destroyed, i still felt for him killing JF Sebastian. He says "Sorry" but then follows up with the psycho "come... come..."
Tyrell is actually the only reason why the Blade Runners exist, he's somewhat of an outer god figure.
You can see this in his glee for creating Rachel, he considers himself to be Prometheus, and in a sense in the same way of Satan causes Man (the replicants) to be expelled from the garden of eden (hunted and retired) because he gave them the Logos (the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil)
Interpreting it in biblical terms is never incorrect with Dick because he literally had a two-year-long amphetamine-driven psychotic break where he believed that christianity was given to human beings from a meta-real Boltzmann Brain called VALIS.
Love it, have you read Flow My Tears, the Policeman said? That book is one giant subtext, to the point it feels more mystical than VALIS. It also baffled Dick himself.
congratulations, you pass, because only a woman wouldn't understand that scene.
Anyone played Observer System Redux? It has Rutger and is similar to the Bladerunner aesthetic. Very creepy game
I played the original Observer
with the exception of the standard psychological horror "you're a bad dad" plotline, it was spectacular, but I'd say the plot was more Neuromancer with the aesthetic of Blade Runner
>It has Rutger
Then it must be shit
it's set in Krakow, so sounding drunk and annunciating like you're tripping over your own lips tracks with the setting
>Are we going to pretend that Roy wasnt a psychopath serial killer or something?
And humans aren't?
people sometimes call me edgy when I discuss certain political solutions because I base them off of my historical and anthropological research. just seems so ignorant to me, if I'm edgy so is the entirety of human history.
Give two examples of when this happened to you
who hasn't it happened to that uses Cinemaphile. why are you acting like being called edgy is something unusual
Why are you avoiding the question? I want to know a couple of your well researched and well presented political solutions. Why don’t you kick off with what the problems are.
I might if you weren't an oddly aggressive butthole, there's nothing for me in continuing this discussion with you.
apparently people believe roy batty actually was a space port soldier
He kills 2 people.
Tyrell, who makes trillions of dollars off of making human slave-soldiers, and Sebastian, who engineered the Nexus 6s, including their shortened lifespans.
Sebastian also created his own replicants to be literal toys, and they're pretty obviously sentient, they can at least feel fear.
Both of them absolutely deserved to die, and Batty didn't exactly treat them lightly.
He was also involved in killing 23 people on the shuttle that they used to get to earth.
Anyone in space is either a trained-killer like Roy & the other replicants, or so incredibly wealthy off of making Earth & other planets hell that it's not really evil to kill them.
And where did you get that from? Its like saying America was only colonized by the wealthy, because it cost a hefty sum to cross the atlantic.
Because they outright say in the movie that the only people who end up in space are either incredibly wealthy, shithead colonists, or replicants made to either do heavy mining operations, or fight other colonies. The only reason Sebastian didn't get sent offworld despite being one of Tyrell's star designers is because he would literally die on takeoff because of his Methusulah syndrome.
The likelihood of the people on that shuttle being innocent colonists returning to earth is negligible.
I saw space lasers once. It was honestly pretty cool. I like Roy, so'ever.
>psychopath serial killer
He's not, though. The entire point of the movie is that Roy and the other replicants have emotion - have soul - and want to live. They're desperately fighting for life. Roy did terrible things to save himself and his kind. The point of that scene is the juxtaposition that Deckard is the soulless automaton going through the paces and killing sentient beings for a paycheck. In the end, Roy had deeper humanity in his act of saving Deckard than the man showed throughout the whole movie.
>gene edit humans to have hardcoded arbitrary lifespan
>"guys these totally aren't humans anymore, we aren't violating any human rights conventions or anything!"
what a dumb premise. might as well bring back race based chattel slavery and cut the bullshit.
If I can make a fully grown human in a lab then it's my property and has to do what I say and die when I say. It has no rights but what I give it.
Why does it have to be a lab? What does a biological womb have that makes it different? What about a biological womb in a lab? What if that biological womb in a lab isn't attached to a woman? Oh, what if that biological womb in a lab used to be attached to a human woman but was transferred to replicant woman?
Youre forgetting that Replicants develop their own fully fledged consciousness close to that 4-year life span, you can see that still with Leon. If anything Tyrell set the life span too high.
i think blade runner is slightly overrated but i like the scene because the literal death machine that is roy batty seems like a vulnerable little child who struggles to understand why this is happening to him
reminded me of a documentary i saw about a 8 year old boy with leukemia that got put on hospice and when his mother had to tell him that unfortunately he's going to die very soon, they boy lashed out in anger, saying "i can't die, i'm only 8 years old, children aren't supposed to die" which was rather heartbreaking
Anyone who doesn't like this film doesn't understand it
because its cool
I HAVE SEEN THINGS YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T BELIEVE
Psychopath serial killer?
For killing two men who built you to be a sentient slave on the battlefield and terraforming worlds.
Even if you count the full gangs kills against him the only people they killed were their hunters and the people directly profiting off their slavery the colonists.
Seems pretty justified to me
>Are we going to pretend that Roy wasnt a psychopath serial killer or something?
He was also an escaped bioengineered slave with a fraction of a normal human lifespan. I'd go on a killing spree too if I was in his place.