I watched it. It was OK. But frankly I didn't like how it was animated. The whole thing seemed to insist upon itself. It wasn't a bad film, but much of Cinemaphile seems to think it is the gold standard for modern animation.
Oh and the villain was lame.
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>I watched it. It was OK. But frankly I didn't like how it was animated.
We know, Disney. We know.
No but really. The colors were pretty but everything was so flashy and loose that it came off more as the animators doing anything they could rather than everything they should.
I get criticism about the plot, characters or writing. Choosing Miles as protag is divisive. But the animation? That practically carried the movie through any other flaws it might've had. We're still surfing that flow a few years later with movies from other studios joining the funike Puss in Boots and now WISH.
>We're still surfing that flow a few years later with movies from other studios joining the funike Puss in Boots and now WISH
I also dislike the way Puss handles the 2d/3d layering myself. It's just not a style I particularly care for.
As for wish, it's just lazier than Spiderverse or Puss. This shit looks copy pasted onto the screen.
Remember that Paper B/W short Disney made like a decade ago?
Vaguely
I can definitely see how someone might find it too flashy, it also just makes me miss 2d animation with how much it tries to mimic it
>deflectng to disney
Not a good sign
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> Miles is black
> good animation
> inventive concept with fun characters and star cast
> good dialogue
> enjoyable story
As a movie it’s alright, but definitely carried by its concept, its animation, and a fast paced script from lord and Miller. And miles being black.
Idrc about miles but the way everyone talks about it I was expecting to be blown away. Maybe my expectations were too high idk
I like the movie but it’s massively overrated. People talking about it like that it saved their parents marriage or something
None of that is true though
>miles isn't black
He's afro-latinx
>latinx
Pendeja white woman gtfo
Miles losing his melanin and his movie being erased from existence
>sequel ends with Miles being an canon Spiderman at the cost of losing his melanin
Dear Christ imagine the shitstorm
He's half-Hispanic.
I thought it was pretty good, and I'm not normally a big Spider-man fan.
I can definitely understand why there would be people who disliked it, though.
I agree that it's a decent film. Not really my contention.
Name another western superhero cartoon movie in theaters I the last 15 years.
Into the Spider-verse, maybe SuperPets, Lego Batman.
ITSV remains the good standard.
>Name another western superhero cartoon movie in theaters I the last 15 years.
Your argument is that it must be held up as a gem due to scarcity of competition?
How about judging it on merit?
A lot of the "fans" are just shills. When the next big movie comes out they will move on
A lot of the actual fans are psychos
Or you can look at older animation, animation from other countries and other genres
Wish is just the most generic copy of older Disney movies. You worship industry product but in the real world people don't obsess over industry trends.
>Wish is just the most generic copy of older Disney movies
Likely but I wasn't talking about plot here.
I'm talking about the art you philistine.
And I was talking about animation.
Ok Groomer who can't take the L
You just want to throw your ego around, not say anything intelligible
>Slurping the Spider-verse wiener for a job
Tangled already did the "princess movie that tries to look like a painting," it just didn't work. The only thing that's changed is technology. Shut up
These are the same thing you dunces. Animation is art.
Closely related and often mixed but in this particularly example I was talking separately the art style is defined Disney but the animation technique is taken from Spiderverse/Puss.
>mogs your spider-slop
Animated Oscar. More money than Spider-Verse. More lewds than Spider-Verse. Inspired Spider-Verse's aesthetic. Doesn't promote Bendis or Slott shit. Original villain and story. All that with a Z-list Marvel team and no gimmicks.
Miles got a star cast of Spider-Men to support him, a Spider-Man movie title, Spider-Man's villains and stories, supposedly revolutionary animation, unjustified sequels, a multimedia push, custom songs to promote him, a huge Nike crossover, and countless more privileges, and still came up short to Big Dick 6.
Big Zero was cringe
>run of the mill cringe movie about Z listers beats out beloved animation darling with the biggest superhero IP in the world attached to it
Embarrassing. Miles should be killed off permanently for bringing such dishonor to the Spider-Man name.
Miles and spider verse are the most astroturfed movie I’ve seen in a long time. Miles being black hard especially
I liked BH6 but after initial praise the movie fade into almost obscurity (a shame since I genuinely liked it). Spiderverse proved to be the more successful product in the long run. Buuut the Baymax miniseries is cute. That's something.
>Spiderverse proved to be the more successful product in the long run.
No it didn't, Disney just had much higher standards for success than desperate Sony. If Spider-Verse were a Disney production it would've never gotten a sequel let alone two.
Toy story should have stopped at 2
The only thing people remember about this movie are yaio shota creeps, coomers, and "le that was his mistake" man
Next Gen was better
>Miles a new character rather than following the tired Peter Parker origin and resolution that ASM soiled
>the multiverse is a fairly new concept for the mainstream
>art style is completely different from the usual Pixar and Dreamworks fare
>zoomer music instead of dad rock or pop music from the 2000's
>is a Spider-Man movie so it's a safe bet
>the multiverse is a fairly new concept for the mainstream
Uhhhhhhh debatable. Pretty sure anyone who saw the Matrix or Inception would understand the concept.
Inception didn't have a multiverse, it just had different versions of the real world based on the dreamer's dreams.
You're first point is dumb. No one is forcing Hollywood to do the same Peter Parker stories over and over. There's thousands of comics and dozens of characters to use and develop.
>No one is forcing Hollywood to do the same Peter Parker stories over and over
Sony did with the Holland trilogy, they wanted to use their Vulture and Mysterio pitches from the Raimi years. MCU understood that the Spider-Man image took a hit with the ASM movies fricking up and deliberately avoided bringing up uncle Ben to focus more on Peter's life rather than Spider-Man origin. this is why Vulture and Mysterio being great characters is on the MCU rather than Sony.
I don't understand what your point is. The MCU movies are not good Spider-Man movies and Disney choosing the villains rather than Sony or uncle Ben being mentioned wouldn't have changed that.
music instead of dad rock or pop music from the 2000's
is this supposed to be a good thing
ok boomer
music has objectively gotten worse in films. Return to rock and roll.
Stupid bot.
Dadrock is eternal, zoomer music fad is already ending
amen to that
The multiverse hasn't really been the core pillar of media as a whole for a lot of the same reasons time travel hasn't (things get fricky-wucky fast), but parallel dimensions in general have been showing up around the fringes of media for long enough (star trek, ben ten, anything that has to escalate beyond space) that anyone who's seen anything is familiar with it.
>Cinemaphile seems to think it is the gold standard for modern animation
No it fricking doesn't. This place is the only one hating no matter what.
>Why do people jerk off over this film?
Because trans Gwen is heckin cute and valid
Can someone explain why they made her look like an e thot alt female
She’s a zoomer, remember?
What normal looking girl plays drums in a band.
eThot, so be it.
Because Gwen Stacy doesn’t have a personality. She can be whatever you want. I think they made gwen more punk and e thot to appeal to zoomers and to make her a strong tough sassy independent woman
>Because Gwen Stacy doesn’t have a personality
Third wheel
>Gwen knows that wearing a tight costume shows off her bulge
>refuses to switch to a less revealing costume
>braindead saturday morning cartoon plot
>Good art
It's an easy movie to follow if it was something like mind game it wouldn't have half the mainstream success
I hate this movie just because of the scene where aunt May bodies Tombstone with a bat.
i'm just jerking off over this funny dalmatian guy specifically
>Spot seduces Miles
>every time they have sex Spot uses his holes to teleport Miles' dick into his moms cooter
Accidental incest is top tier fetish
that's not something i ever would have thought about but you do you pal
Really? Then you've probably never looked up portal porn before.
more specifically the thing about the 15 year old black boy and the incest
Who else would you pair Spot with and whose vegana would he be using? Spot already has a grudge against Miles so why not use his portal powers to make him frick his mom?
First, not liking the animation? Shit taste.
Second, it's yet another product of a literal multi-billion dollar media bloc trying to monopolize as much of the theatrical space as they possibly can, with a sequel. It creates sky-high expectations just by EXISTING, and even a merely "very good" movie doesn't fully blow people who are on some level aware of that away.
Third, of course you weren't satisfied, dumbass. It's part one of a two part special, so making it wrap all its own conclusions up wouldn't sell as many tickets to the next.
>First, not liking the animation? Shit taste.
Ironic given that it looks AI generated
>
Try it, list the faults of why AI art looks bad
How about you say why it looks AI generated. Because it wasn't.
>Doesn't even grasp that something can look AI generated without being so
And they did use AI technology, the first movie too
We know they used AI technology to procedurally animate the lines on faces, yes. But I didn't say AI technology; I said the art wasn't AI generated. Big difference.
moron
't even grasp that something can look AI generated without being so
I already addressed your moronation, maybe you don't understand green text or maybe you ignore things that burst your childish understanding
Calm the frick down, dude. No need to hurl insults, especially when I didn't insult you. I was just clarifying that one point.
The day before this movie released people here were advocating for my death. People intentionally misinterpreted what I said as a teenager (while I was aiming to revolutionize animation, and did nothing else with my life) and then resented me for their own misrepresentations, and some of them vented through industry projects
So get me the frick right. Respond to what people actually say instead of shit nobody said, you can frick up people's lives
>Respond to what people actually say
And I did. I responded with just the correction to the AI tech part and not the AI art part because I can't invalidate your opinion that the art looks AI generated, just that it could be elaborated on instead of "It looks like AI art because I say so".
So again, calm the frick down.
>you can frick up people's lives
that's something to worry about on websites where the users have lives.
Just list the features of AI art that make AI art look bad, it's a simple task anon and you were so sure of your claims before
Oh, I'm not that anon. Just wanting people to elaborate on this board so shit doesn't get lost in assumptions.
You're the one who brought "good" and "bad" into it.
All I'm saying is that "lol different styles means ai" (I think you're saying?) is... nnnot true? in the slightest? Juxtaposition is a core element of people's minds, and juxtaposing styles is ooooooold as hell.
's just taken a long ass time to put it in a feature length movie because it's a pain in the absolute ass to get that many different styles tangibly right.
(And ai is actively dogshit at keeping track of multiple things at once atm; so you couldn't even begin to put spiderpunk into the "ai art style")
List the features anon or you're wasting everyone's time
>It looks ai generated
>Now tell me why it doesn't or ur wrong lol
God damn we still have people on here burden-of-proofing this badly? When will the cleanse happen.
If I list them it'll just be met with "NUH-UH", much easier to let the other person list their definitions so I can point out where they're manifested in both
Making that statement without the barest hint of awareness that it applies to you NUH-UHing me too is either an explicit and overt lie I'm frankly insulted by you expecting me to believe... or it's moronation to a degree heretofore unknown to man. Or maybe just willful ignorance, which is both.
but frick it, not like I have anything better to do.
The reasons spider-movie is NOT in the "ai style":
>Coherent, tangible models throughout the entire movie
AI as we know it (correlative, organic) is kinda shit at remembering anything concrete and specific. Keeping a single character model or design rule (like spiderpunk's various animations on twos and threes) coherent is the sort of thing that takes specialized LORAs just to maintain passing consistency between two images. Impossible? Nnnnot technically. But maintaining it over a movie's runtime with no drifts... is only "ai style" if you have ai brainrot.
>explicit, overt juxtaposition
Again, current AI's biggest limits are on conceptual complexity, and trying to draw two separate styles at once results in a shitload of bleedthrough in the best of cases. Constant manual stitching is nnnot "ai style", and handwaving it as "we'll get there eventually" is more futurist brainrot.
>neither photorealistic nor smoothed-out and conservative
Hell, just comparing it to the easiest outputs is a good way to try and identify an "ai style"... and it's a pain in the ass to try and get imagery as stylized as mister dorito man is.
Ways it seems like it's ai generated:
>It's Spider-Man! But wearing balenciaga! Vulture! But renaissance!
this is... one of the two main concepts used for "multiverses". Popular things get referenced and recontextualized. The fact that it ends up paralleling ai art and its ability to get a general sense for popular concepts is... a result of things being popular. If you think that means anything relevant than sure? Cool? Any reason you were sealioning me about it other than being a frickwit?
>failed to mention the main features
I knew you wouldn't do it
>See this actual thought out response?
>NUH UH
woooow, what a shock
>actual thought out response.. that intentionally omits the main features people complain about in AI art and animation
You just "NUH-UH"d me in a roundabout way preemptively, I don't engage with bad faith arguments
>n-no YOU'RE bad faith
canon event yourself
>Why do people jerk off over this film?
Gwen, primarily Gwen.
>I didn't like how it was animated.
Okay. A lot of people did. I found it better in the first film, due to there being more direct conflict and action. This film didn't really get the chance to show off the animation styles or put it to good use, outside the different Spider-Mans getting some different animation.
That said, they did some good job. Especially the Gwen/Miles division at the end, the colors really helped to cement how they were in different locations.
>much of Cinemaphile seems to think it is the gold standard for modern animation
Name a recent movie with a better animation design.
>the villain was lame
That's because they were setting up for the next movie. Kind of disappointed how they wrapped things up.
>Name a recent movie with a better animation design.
Klaus
This one?
Great character designs and 3D modeling. Nice lighting as well. I'm not sure if the animation itself stands out besides how it's lighted. The art direction certainly doesn't stand out as well as Spider-Verse does, and I can be fairly certain that it doesn't even have the use for dramatic action scenes like Spider-Verse.
>3D modeling
You got Klaus'd son
There were a ridiculous amount of plotholes and plot devices but the animation was so unique it tricks you into not noticing.
Haven't watched the sequel and don't really have any active plans to do so.
its a fun competent movie in hollywood which is infested with fricking lame as shit, mediocre movies. Plus spiderman.
Fun, innovative animation and art. Reasonably funny compared to most other superhero and children's films. Black lead.
>Reasonably funny compared to most other superhero and children's film
But it's literally bog standard MCU humor
I love how shills don't even look at the picture and immediately jump to defending Across instead, lmao.