Why do people pretend to enjoy the works of David Lynch?
No, not yet.
Who are they trying to impress? The only people who would be impressed by such a thing are other people also pretending to enjoy the works of David Lynch.
Okay, now you have my permission to post "LE LYNCHED" since you have no valid argument to the contrary.
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Assuming that anyone who claims to like something you don't like must be pretending is pure, unadulterated autism.
Only an autismo deals in absolutes.
Exactly.
in other words: ABSOLUTELY no non-autist deals in absolutes?
Fippy bippy, skippy
No seriously. What you're basically saying is that you're so solipsistic and emotionally underdeveloped that you actually can't handle or even wrap your brain around the everyday, pedestrian concept that is someone legitimately liking something that you don't like. It's the kind of behavior that indicates you suffer from some kind of serious psychiatric disorder. I'm not even memeing, you should get tested to see if you're a psychopath.
But I never said that
It's not that it's some kind of incomprehensible thing for me to understand why someone would claim to enjoy the works of David Lynch, it's that I'm correctly calling out someone (everyone) who claims to enjoy the works of David Lynch as phony pretenders with the ulterior motive of hoping that by doing so they are impressing someone. This is the case 100% of the time, just as it is now. Sorry I exposed you for being a pretender (not sorry) but I calls them likes I see em.
The autism on display is astounding. Also this board specifically reminds me that I do not get Zoomers because they are largely culturally devoid, raging narcissists that need everything spelled out for them.
Yes, Lynch's entire career, dating back to the 9170s, is just his entire audience pretending to like his work. Because that's how things work, especially in artistic mediums.
Admit you're a sub-midwit who watched a few of his movies and were confused, but your narcissism went into defense mode. "It's not that I'm an idiot, it's, uh... Everyone else! Yeah!"
What girl that you liked made fun of you for going on an autistic sperg screed against Lynch's work? This board isn't your therapist's office.
>reddit spacing
Concession accepted. Think twice next time to avoid embarrassing yourself so thoroughly.
They're called paragraph breaks, you child.
That shit sounded cooler in your head
Unlike you my primary goal is not to appear cool.
And yet here you are shitting out paragraphs about people you have the superior taste on an anonymous forum. The funniest thing about all of this is that Lynch fans never claim to be some cinema experts and just discuss his stuff
I am comfortable in my taste. Secure. I like what I like, simple as that. I don't demand that complete strangers constantly validate my opinions, nor do I need to resort to bizarre coping mechanisms if they refuse. For this reason alone, my taste is superior to yours.
Forgot to mention I'm trans, not sure if that matters but I feel like it's a very important detail that would further fortify the validity of all my previous posts.
Lol. Now you're going to act like this was all an act. Next you're going to say you were a success at getting people "so mad" about this and again claim (false) victory. I hate this phrase but mean it unironically, go outside and touch grass. If this is how you spend your time to feel even a sliver of self-worth, that is sad.
Listen, champ, no one forced the bait in your mouth, no one forced you to chew the bait, to savor it, to wiggle your tongue around it like Sasha Grey working on a pair of balls or toilet seat. You took the bait, goggled it up, so you don't get to complain and b***h about your tummy ache and food poisoning as if you already knew you were being baited in the first place. You entered the thread, you engaged with the discussion, and now you realize your folly. The egg is already on your face.
>jokes on you I was just pretending to be moronic
Then what is the purpose of everything you've written so far? Do you genuinely want to know what people see in Lynch movies?
You're far more pretentious than Lynch or any of his fans if you genuinely think shit like that. You're claiming to be an absolute authority with absolutely no qualifications whatsoever. It's the most massive, absurd, insane pretense imaginable. You alone get to decide what everybody thinks, to deduce the secret underlying motivations of even complete strangers the world over. You're basically claiming that you have achieved omnipresence. You might as well try to convince everyone on this board that you're god. Compared to that bullshit, claiming to something as simple as liking or understanding a movie is the absolute pinnacle of humility.
The funny thing is that you actually don't need the power of god, omniscience, or greater cognitive faculties to accurately spot phony bologna cinema dilettantes, you just need to have good taste in movies and not be a humongous homosexual.
>could it be that maybe there are people in the world who simply genuinely enjoy something that I do not enjoy and that this is a normal part of life?
>nah, it must be some kind of grand conspiracy, there's no chance I could ever be *wrong* about something
You are the textbook definition of a humongous homosexual
>cinema dilettantes
Admit you have no idea what that phrase means but you read it somewhere so you threw it in to appear sophisticated. Phony pseudo.
Is this your first time seeing the word dilettante or something? Such a strange reaction to such an innocuous term. Are you going to freak out over my use of "innocuous", too?
>freak out
Yes, I had an absolute meltdown. Ass. Anyway, you used the phrase incorrectly because you are a pseud. A dilettante us a casual dabbler in the field of arts, usually referring to their amateur status. Lynch has made an entire successful career as a filmmaker since the 1970s. Hardly dilettante status.
That was aimed at David Lynch film enjoyers, not David Lynch himself. Next time read more carefully before you make a fool out of yourself again
>I SAID, IF I DIDN'T GET IT NOBODY DID!!!!
>If I didn't get it no one did
>he thinks there's anything to get from a Lynch joint
He purposefully creates inherently meaningless films with no greater meaning or narrative or commentary or anything of substance. He makes full length music videos masquerading as cinema; the definition of 100% style 0% substance.
Meaning is overrated. It's far too limiting of art to insist that it must always 'mean' something.
and?
why does it matter unless you're watching movies for "le message"?
>nooo where is my heckin ploterino?
Style is substance.
You're not entirely wrong but I think this is also a little too dismissive. What I agree with is that unlike most directors, Lynch doesn't have a specific message in his films that he wants to tell the viewer. Some scenes have meaning and some just look cool to him. The overarching themes and connections in his films are loose and disjointed at the best of times. He wants people to experience and "feel" his films more than he wants people to understand them. I do think he has intent behind many of his scenes, but I also don't think they're necessarily supposed to be rigid and mean one thing or serve one overarching theme. I also don't think he wants what it means to him to supercede what it means to the viewer.
I think you just expect his films to have something concrete to say or some message to send and I don't think he's that kind of director or person. He wants to present a visual and auditory experience that people decide what it means to them themselves. Where it gets obnoxious is when you get pseud gays who claim to fully understand his works or act like obnoxious morons anytime someone tries to discuss his work and just say "LYNCHED" or whatever.
I think the only thing that i know and comes close to understanding this is the original silent hill games.
The story is not that important, it's the experience of it.
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well said and 100% right
there u go pretending
Normies like it otherwise they would have stopped him before Mulhollund.
>otherwise they would have stopped him
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I like David Lynch and pretend not to like him because I want people to think that normal
Sometimes people just like weird stuff, bro. Absurdism stretches the limits of your imagination.
I like them because they unpredictable, uncomfortable and just downright weird. gotta step outside your comfort zone once in a while
right bro, its like how people pretend to like the taste of cheese. all liars trying to impress
Life isn't that complicated. If you are even minimally socialized, the scenarios in your life quickly become mundane and monotonous, and even the associations you make about the scenarios and the interactions with your psyche become mundane. What Lynch movies do are essentially show us his own personal associations, such as Americana, weird fiction, dualism, transcendentalism, etc. in a relatively commercial manner. They are commercial. When Matthew Lillard is weeping and saying you don't understand you weren't there and Albert makes a pithy response, we are being predisposed to view the scene as absurd. This is a directorial conceit. There is no thinking or pretending involved. Liking David Lynch movies does not mean someone is pretentious or shallow or cinematically literate. It doesn't mean the opposite either. It's just another option for media. It's likeable in general because it makes uncommon associations for the average person. Glad people responded to your bait btw. To take your question at face value: it's because they are amongst similarly uneducated peers and performing pro social behaviors.
The music and mood of Lynch films evoke unique emotions. They are definitely absurd and a little schitzos but I kinda like them just like I enjoy Refn's stuff. I have to be in a certain mood to watch them and they are usually best watched alone.
>I genuinely do not understand why people like David Lynch films and I think they're terrible, does anyone care to explain what they see in them?
See? It's that easy. If you had framed your thread THAT way instead, I would have happily engaged you in a dialogue and discussed what I personally think the merits of his films are to your heart's content. I would have answered all your questions without hesitation and I even would have defended you to the mob telling you that you had been LYNCHED. And if at the end of the day you had said, "That's cool and all but I still think his movies are shit," I would have simply responded "That's alright anon, you are entitled to your opinion."
Instead you chose a different path.
I like his stuff, but if you had said
>Why do people pretend to UNDERSTAND the works of David Lynch?
you would be correct. The most frequent interpretations of his work
>eraserhead is about le fathehood
>mulholland drive is about le hollywood
have been shut down by Lynch directly. I don’t think his movies have any palpable interpretations. If you watch an interview with him, he’s a huge hippie who is basically Tom Cruise scientology level schizo when it comes to Transcendental Meditation. Other than making The Return, he has pretty much spent the last 15 years of his life playing with dead animals and bugs in his backyard and nailing them to canvasses. Again I do like him, but people acting like they “get” his work are the ones who have truly been “lynched”.
I sort of agree.
There's nothing wrong with *trying* to understand Lynch. Watching one of his movies and trying to find a workable theory is not only fun and worthwhile, but Lynch approved.
It's when you insist that whatever conclusion you have come to is not just your own personal take but unassailably correct or some kind of secret key to "unlocking the true message of the film" that you're barking up the wrong tree.
It's more rewarding to get something new out of a Lynch film every time you watch it, to try to find as many interpretations as you can. And it's not so you can feel smart as OP alleges, it's because it's fun. Lynch doesn't nail down any particular interpretation in his own mind I don't think, but make no mistake, he has considered a number of interpretations and consciously allowed for all of them.
I agree, but Lynch himself is someone who acts like there IS a correct key to unlocking the true message of his films. He’s said something to the effect of “all the pieces of the puzzle” being there in regards to Twin Peaks, and then there’s the 10 clues that came with the Mulholland Drive DVD. And, paraphrasing again, he’s said that it’s actually wrong to make a movie that is open to interpretation and that it would be like torturing the audience to not allow them to figure out the true meaning.
I just think David is a schizo who thinks he’s making sense and doesn’t realize no one else is on his wavelength. He’s almost Chris Chan-like. I appreciate his films in that way though. No one else would have ever made those films.
Eh, I dunno. He's someone who believes in an infinite shared consciousness that we're all a mutual part of, so I think it's safe to say he's the sort of artist who thinks that my interpretation or yours is just as legitimate as his. I think he wants engagement and participation. You could even go as far as to call it collaboration.
So think the puzzles and clues he provides are likely all part of some elaborate game he's playing just to get you involved. I would argue that *some* of the things in his movies are planned out and have concrete explanations, and some don't. His design I think is to obfuscate the line between the two as much as possible so the viewer can't tell which is which. That way he's created an environment that is conducive to theory crafting while at the same time never being wholly possible to figure out in any real sense.
That's why he so desperately didn't want to reveal who killed Laura Palmer. Even though the explanation provided was pretty satisfying, imho. I think he feels that once you've conclusively solved a mystery, the speculation and audience participation inevitably goes away, and the thing dies. If you create a space where people can play forever, it has infinite rewatchability and it never loses its power.
Think about the smoke monster from Lost, for example. The explanation they provided retroactively ruins every scene in which the smoke appears. It's no longer tense, or engrossing or even particularly interesting. You could argue that's simply because it wasn't a very good explanation, but I think even a good one might have had that effect to an extent. At the very least I think Lynch thinks so, and I think he's right. Notice how the Lost community has all but died, or is at the very least nowhere near as active as it was while the show was on, while the Twin Peaks community stayed so active for so long (literal decades) that it made The Return possible.
>I think it's safe to say he's the sort of artist who thinks that my interpretation or yours is just as legitimate as his.
This is definitely not the case. Any q&a he’s ever done is people telling him their interpretation one of his films and him replying “no”.
>put on the legendary Twin Peaks
>nice opening
>woman wailing about her dead daughter for 20 minutes
>turn it off
Okay frick that, people on Cinemaphile are always arguing in bad faith and the sole purpose of these threads is to shit on thing and not learn why people like thing, it's so obvious and you guys make yourselves look like newbies. These threads always consist of shitflinging for 100+ posts but still: OP, I think you should give the following movies a watch
>The Elephant Man
>Blue Velvet
>The Straight Story
boring thread
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People dont. He is very niche. Only people who care about cinema are into Lynch. That's less than 1% of 1% of filmgoers. And people who are into cinema tend to appreciate more unique filmmakers. Theyve already seen what basic filmmaking has to offer. They dont have to pretend to like Lynch, they like Lynch because he is different. Its like how boomers like Angry Birds and "gamers" like Elden Ring. Elden Ring is not pretentious, it's just different experience than Angry Birds
As a Lynch fan, he is not niche and I've always been fascinated by the fact that he, along with Kubrick, are praised by normalgays like he is James Cameron or some shit. I'm positive that half of the people who praise him have never watched any of his movies and just do this because they've heard their favorite director cite him as an influence. When it comes to games Elden Ring is even a bigger mystery to me. Or I don't know, Baldur's Gate 3, it's a game for fricking basement dwelling neckbeards who are REALLY into vidya and yet every normalgay can't shut the frick up about it. It's complicated
>They accept the fact that life doesn't make sense.
Spoken like a godless, directionless, degenerate heathen. The world DOES make sense because it was created by GOD. Christ is King.
And here I thought you were going to say that god made life make no sense on purpose in order to test our faith.
spoken like a future statistic
Excellent thread. Lynchfreaks scrambling
david lunch lol
>Writing a part for yourself so you can kiss the hottest girl on the show
Yeah, i'm thinking based
>>Okay, now you have my permission to post "LE LYNCHED" since you have no valid argument to the contrary.
You haven't said why you think people don't actually enjoy Lynch films, so there is no argument to be had. Just "thing bad".
You zoomers really need to learn how to argue, this is getting pathetic.
Emperor's New Clothes
Use metaphors you actually understand next time.
The way he uses sound is literally meditative. If you have the patience for it, it can suck you in and the movie becomes super immersive. It feels like a dream state and I'm not just saying that as buzzwords. I also have the patience for tarkovsky and Kurosawa though so I understand it isn't for everyone. Definitely not zoomwrs with their 6 second tiktok-addled minds.
Does Kurosawa require extraordinary patience?
It requires patience. I wouldn't call it extraordinary.
>Kurosawa
Kurosawa just makes regular movies, you don't need to have patience to enjoy them. Hitchwiener is another example of this, I think even zoomers (at least the ones whose brains weren't completely destroyed by TikTok) can enjoy his stuff. You don't have to be like Tark or Lynch to be considered an auteur
I meant Kiyoshi Kurosawa, not the 50s era Kurosawa, apologies. The former also has a tarkovskian style to his work.
I'm ESL and I said 'makes' instead of 'made' so we can pretend that I meant Kiyoshi Kurosawa as well lmao. Yeah I agree, K Kurosawa reminds me of Tark a lot, his movies usually tend to be shorter though and unlike the latter he also made some pretty 'normal' stuff too
I used a random and likely illegal upload of Eraserhead every night as a sleeping pill I'd have playing away on my laptop
don't recall making it past the scene of the guy talking about pipes
was a NEET att
>and hopefully never again
Of course I got it!! I understand David Lynch. I am a connoisseur of film and a very intelligent, unpretentious person. He is just a meistro of cinematography and liminal spaces
>Why do people pretend to enjoy the works of David Lynch?
same reason they pretend to care about tarkovsky. it's what they think they're supposed to do. artfilms have always been considered an alternative, so they want to seem unique. they may like barbie in reality but they've convinced themselves that a 1930s Italian short film is the peak of cinema. it's it's what they think will make them sound superior and complex. partly it's emperor's new clothes. in reality, they enjoy anime and marvel movies and they're painfully one-dimensional if you ever decide to talk to them lmao
(this being said, the elephant man is actually really good but that's about it)
What are some Cinemaphile approved directors for people who don't enjoy anime and marvel movies and they're painfully one-dimensional if you ever decide to talk to them lmao?
Watch the first season of Twin Peaks to get your final opinion of Lynch
computer, enhance!
I also paused the movie here
this made my wife aware that I'm into stockings
His work is enjoyable even if you don't get the meaning behind it. He's good at conveying feelings, like you don't need to understand the whole of Lost Highway to get a sense of the shame Pullman feels in that scene where he prematurely ejaculates or to be taken in by the scene where he meets the mystery man. Even if not being able to get the bigger picture or finding some of his stuff too weird, he still does stuff that's easy to enjoy and get like Blue Velvet and The Straight Story anyway.
He makes comedy movies that feel like you’re dreaming. That’s literally it. Why do you look so deep into it?
I unironically enjoyed Twin Peaks Season 1 and The Return
He’s at his best when there’s someone else to rein in the esoteric arthouse stuff
>Who are they trying to impress?
I'm a 35 year old man with no friends or anyone to "impress".
wouldn't go that far as I have a few directors I really enjoy and which are hated by many others (lars von trier / haneke). I watched lost highway a few days ago and that movie just sucked ass, it was so bad and meaningless. other films from lynch could be better though, I recall liking mulholland drive for example. lynch is a lot like cronenberg, many duds and a few good movies. they could be twins or lovers lmao