I don't, and frankly it's bizarre that she never got a suit movie despite having the most human proportions. Go ahead and say it's a different subspecies from goji, it's not like fish from the atlantic look exactly like their counterparts in the pacific. Its ability to produce large amounts of offspring would be an interesting way to balance the vast difference in size between her and the real godzilla.
They hate it because it’s not like the classic Japanese Godzilla, and even then Japanese Godzilla designs vary from great to shit like picrel >and I say this as a fan of the Japanese Godzilla movies
The movie was completely clueless and childish on the idea of Godzilla. Godzilla is a childish character in a lot of cases, sure, but I mean Roland Emmerich barely knew who Godzilla was and just thought of it as some Japanese garbage not worth looking at, so he ends up making a rom com where he brainstorms the entire plot by thinking of how he would handle a pet lizard but big
I just don't care about any of the Japanese movies that came before and why should they be relevant
You aren't watching those movies you are watching the Emmerich American 90s version
People are allowed to follow their own vision in art and constraining them arbitrarily to the media which came before is just anti-art
Every Godzulla movie is effectively a human element movie with Godzilla and the kaiju being a disaster that keeps things moving. It's a weak criticism, but I'd agree that the human element in 98 is weak.
Perhaps it exposes how corny Godzilla really is but seeing it done in an American style without that sense of foreign alterity really makes for an ugly movie
>him
I don't hate her. Love me some 90s murican zilla
The movie was completely clueless and childish on the idea of Godzilla. Godzilla is a childish character in a lot of cases, sure, but I mean Roland Emmerich barely knew who Godzilla was and just thought of it as some Japanese garbage not worth looking at, so he ends up making a rom com where he brainstorms the entire plot by thinking of how he would handle a pet lizard but big
It's funny because OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off of an American movie and Japan wanks over it like it's gods greatest idea ever that only they thought of. Still love my godzilla but the 'purists' need to die in a fire, it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathoms
>it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathoms
Well almost, BF20KF is the cheap monster flick, Godzilla elevated the 50s monster B-movie to something deeper and more epic (but then fell back to the cheap B-movie roots as the Showa era progressed).
It's totally fine for movies to take an idea from another film and run with it, it happens all the fricking time. And cheap rip-off is just false. Fathoms is literally just a big iguana, Godzilla has some thought behind it's design. Instead say you're too stupid to grasp the design behind Godzilla and move on.
>It's funny because OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off of an American movie and Japan wanks over it like it's gods greatest idea ever that only they thought of. Still love my godzilla but the 'purists' need to die in a fire, it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathom
There's also a very similar monster design and storyline in on of the 1940s Fleischer Bros Superman shorts.
Eugene Lourie, director of The Beast would go on to make his own suitmation version with Gorgo, which is better in terms of effects and storytelling to the vast majority of Godzilla films to this day.
>It's funny because OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off of an American movie and Japan wanks over it like it's gods greatest idea ever that only they thought of. Still love my godzilla but the 'purists' need to die in a fire, it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathom
There's also a very similar monster design and storyline in on of the 1940s Fleischer Bros Superman shorts.
Eugene Lourie, director of The Beast would go on to make his own suitmation version with Gorgo, which is better in terms of effects and storytelling to the vast majority of Godzilla films to this day.
No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla. Just so you know. Godzilla is of course superior in every single way but these movies aren't really similar outside of the most superficial level so there's no need to compare them as much.
>Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka flew to Jakarta to renegotiate with the Indonesian government but was unsuccessful. >On the flight back to Japan, he conceived the idea for a giant monster film, inspired by the 1953 film The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and the Daigo Fukuryū Maru incident, which happened in March 1954.
Yeah no, he's right, The Beast did serve as an inspiration.
>No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla.
Of course they would say that.
They can't touch the VFX mastery of Harryhausen. It's too embarrassing to admit their clumsy response.
>No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla.
As it happens, Roland Emmerich had never heard of Godzilla prior to making the 1998 movie and the similarities are purely coincidental. Tri-Star, of course, had to secure the rights to the title from Toho after principal filming was completed and they were made aware of the Japanese films, but other than the name, these movies aren't really similar outside of the most superficial level so there's no need to compare them as much.
Every single person asked about it from Tanaka to Honda, Inoue and so one or people who wrote their memoirs never said anything about The Beast. Everyone said the inspiration came from 1952 re-release of King Kong. The only possible connection that might've happened was Tanaka reading about The Beast in a magazine or seeing a poster.
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms was released in the US in June 1953, Tanaka came up with the idea of Godzilla in March 1954. In the meantime he was busy producing movie after movie for Toho. If someone was to copy The Beast he would have to anticipate months in advance that they would be making the movie, fly to the US to watch the movie then remember the details months later.
Shigeru Kayama's story has a lighthouse scene that was leter removed by Honda and Murata when they were adapting it into the script but it would make sense for Kayama, a sci fi author, to be familiar with Ray Bradbury's Foghorn.
That's about it.
For the record The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms was released in Japan in December 1954 a full month after Godzilla. The distributor was Daiei, Toho's rival so no early screenings for them.
>If someone was to copy The Beast he would have to anticipate months in advance that they would be making the movie, fly to the US to watch the movie then remember the details months later.
What's so difficult to believe about someone remembering a movie they watched in 1953 when they say they were inspired by a movie they watched in 1952?
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Because it's far more probable that someone simply saw the poster in a film magazine and thought "hey, dinosaur would make for a much better monster than an octopus." But everyone at Toho was a fan of King Kong not some unknown reptilian monster from a movie they couldn't even watch. Rhedosaurus wasn't even that fresh. The atomic angle was but it's not like it wasn't constantly in the headlines in Japan at the time. But there was Lost Continent and other cheap dinosaur films in the early 50s.
They don't mention it because it's be a pretty flagrant litigious grounds.
A lot of Japanese culture is bullshitting to save face and make them look better. Same thing with them saying they work 15 hours a day(and then peak productivity is like 5 of those hours and if they fall asleep for 3 hours it's considered them working so hard they need to sleep)
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We're talking about people like very humble, honest man like Honda admitting that The Beast was not the inspiration in the late 1980s. The movies aren't even that similar. WB didn't have a monopoly on dinosaur monsters.
It's beautiful. Much more foreboding than if they used stop motion. Both techniques have their limitations it's not like stop motion is just better every time. Gorgo I think looks more effective than The Beast because you can actually show extensive damage with suits and miniatures.
They didn't have time to do stop motion, Godzilla was created because another movie got shitcanned and left a big November slot open. Suits were the only way they could get the movie done in a few months, Tsuburaya said a stop motion version would take him seven years to do.
>Tsuburaya said a stop motion version would take him seven years to do.
It never took Harryhausen that long. They did use some stopmotion in a few of their movies. Their attempts in King Kong vs Godzilla are notably pathetic.
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It would take them seven years because they had more effects scenes planned and without stop motion traditions. Although they had to innovate a lot with Godzilla but at least Tsuburaya knew how to shoot with miniatures and they look fantastic.
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>It would take them seven years because they had more effects scenes planned and without stop motion traditions. Although they had to innovate a lot with Godzilla but at least Tsuburaya knew how to shoot with miniatures and they look fantastic.
With stop-motion you just have to be more focused and judicious in how it's used. King Kong didn't take 7 years.
The miniature work in Godzilla '54 only looks good in comparison to some of the sloppier sequels and ripoffs, and black and white photography hides a multitude of flaws.
The full color miniature work in Gorgo holds up a lot better.
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Godzilla looks fantastic because not only were Tsuburaya's miniatures impressive work of art, for this kind of movie black and white works perfectly. In some shots it looks like some abandoned newsreel it's incredible. I like happy colorful 60s movies but classic Godzilla was never more effective than in 1954. I'm so glad it's not stop motion. First of all it would limit the destruction scenes because stop motion doesn't allow for a lot of interaction with the environment. Which is what allowed Gorgo to show a lot more of the destruction than The Beast (a lighthouse and a side of one building).
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Resources issue. Plus doing building crumble in stop motion is a pain in the ass. I think even Harryhausen admitted that the saucers crashing in Earth vs the Flying Saucers was one of the more difficult things to do.
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From technical point of view the advantage of suits and miniatures is that the scenes can be filmed faster but the crew has to be a lot larger. And it's still an incredibly difficult, time-consuming and sometimes dangerous work so faster yes, easier, not really.
>No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla.
As it happens, Roland Emmerich had never heard of Godzilla prior to making the 1998 movie and the similarities are purely coincidental. Tri-Star, of course, had to secure the rights to the title from Toho after principal filming was completed and they were made aware of the Japanese films, but other than the name, these movies aren't really similar outside of the most superficial level so there's no need to compare them as much.
>OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off
It's not cheap or shitty at all, and anyone who says Godzilla 1954 is a ripoff of Beast from 20000 Fathoms probably hasn't seen either, because the only thing they share is the general concept of "dinosaur awakened by nukes". The movies go in completely different directions.
>Looks like something out of Power Rangers.
Crazy that something from a tokusatsu movie would look like something from a tokusatsu series. Almost like there wouldn't be Super Sentai/Power Rangers in the first place without Godzilla.
Good movie
Not really a Godzilla movie
Better than the 2014 Godzilla movie
More of a remake of "Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" and remakes at least 3 scenes from that movie.
>Better than the 2014 Godzilla movie
Crazy how Bryan Cranston even openly loathes the movie by making the valid point that the protagonist is just a boring npc character who just moves scene to scene. And he points out that his character is a lot more dynamic despite have an iota of screentime compared to the protag
He's right. The advertising was classic bait and switch. It was only good so long as he was in it, then it became as boring as everything Gareth Edwards has ever put out.
He's hated because he had to live up to Godzilla and wasn't written in a way that fit that. Now, if you look at TriStar Godzilla as his own monster/movie, he's fine. At worst it's still a bit of goofy fun.
>only a troony would refuse to call a child-bearing member of a species by female pronouns >only a troony would like Shin Godzilla
Trannies are the ones who spin lies, anon. I'm no troony.
It's one of those things people hate for no reason, even though it's pretty good. In fact, it's the best Godzilla ever made.
Another example of this is Deus Ex: Invisible War. People hate it because their precious pc title came to consoles. That's it. It's actually a good game.
yeah, I can't understand why 'people' don't like something being dumbed down, simplified, have all the soul and atmosphere stripped out of it, and all the detail shaved off. not sure how they can justify disliking something merely because everything that made the original thing good was removed. makes no sense at all.
it's like the remake of nightmare on elm street, it's just better. it's new so it's good.
They wanted the game's graphics to be superior and they wanted to add an actual physics engine to the game + real time lighting effects. They also wanted the shooting to feel better. So naturally, some things had to be simplified and some features removed to accommodate the specific improvements they were focused on.
It's just like when people complained about Morrowind -> Oblivion. "Duuude, in Morrowind we had spears and we had throwing weapons wtf. Oblivion is so dumbed down" yeah... but they massively improved the graphics and added a physics engine. The actual combat is now decent too. It isn't great but it isn't atrocious like it used to be. Swinging your sword around feels much better in Oblivion than it does Morrowind. But some people just don't pay any attention to that. They just laser focus in on the few features lost than on the overall improvements to the game. Sad.
>better graphics >on a console
oblivion was horribly dumbed down, and skyrim even more so.
the interface on skyrim was almost unusable because they had to make it for quadreplic console users, and for some reason decided a scrolling text list of hundreds of items is more user friendly than a grid of easily recognisable items.
anything consolified is puke.
graphical improvements come with time anyway. look at elder scrolls 2 to morrowibd.
combat is appalling in all their games because they don't know how to make it decent and it clearly isn't important for them.
you like playing shooters on a console with a game pad, that makes you incapable of holding a decent opinion, as evidenced by your repeated mentions of graphics, despite hardware limitations having been a bottleneck for console games compared to pcs since the early 90s.
you're doing the reverse version of what you're accusing others of, and picking on the few minor improvements as warranting the loss of whatever made a game good in the first place.
might as well say "yeah jumping and bings were stripped out of mario #512, but the graphics are better and the eater moves more realistically, I don't know what people are complaining about."
I loved this movie as a kid, watched it a ton of times and it even made me emotional at the end when he died.
I rewatched it this year and it holds up, it's a fun fricking movie. I don't know why people hate it. It has a ton of soul. It's easily Emmerich's best film (his only good one)
His producer and probably frick buddy Devlin pretended to be a fan and maybe he was to an extent but he took on the duties of lying to everyone and to this day he's traumatized. 1998 Godzilla practically destroyed their careers. They still have them but they're not as high profile as they were before that movie.
I'd actually argue the movie was good for the franchise overall. It kickstarted millennium by being fricking bad, and the tv show is good. It also elevated the profile of Goji in the US above MST3K shitting on it
i don’t necessarily disagree with this, but thats because that japs absolutely cannot into cgi. i have no idea why they insist on using it for their new godzilla movies when the suits if millenium era were fantastic.
It's definitely Godzilla.
Design is essentially a theropod dinosaur with stegosur-inspired plates on his back. The main difference is 1950s dinos were upright and heavyset, and 1990s were horizontal and shrink-wrapped. Sony paid Toho millions for the rights, so it's all licensed, official.
It's Godzilla.
its not.
its the hollywood “improved” godzilla. it was not made in homage to godzilla but rather in spite of godzilla
Because Toho has concluded that Japanese normies don't like rubber suits anymore and that even bad CG will gain more traction with them and international normie audiences.
>its the hollywood “improved” godzilla. it was not made in homage to godzilla but rather in spite of godzilla
It's still Godzilla. Hollywood wanted to do a Godzilla movie since at least the early 80s. It's a solid and recognisable brand, and they wanted to apply modern Hollywood filmmaking techniques to telling that story.
The Heisei series was looking pathetically dated by the 90s. There was solid demand for a Godzilla movie, just one that didn't look anything like those. Imagine watching G vs Space Godzilla after seeing Jurassic Park.
The digital effects in Heisei were minimal and look good those are things like" digital simulation of an attack on Godzilla (looking like something out of first Star Wars very class), Futurians transporting Godzillasaurus and Super-X3 freezing Godzilla's face.
Practical effects look great and I hope we'll be seeing more of that outside of anniversary shorts but I'm not attached to the idea of Godzilla not getting with the times. But G'98 was dogshit, obviously made by someone who hated the series and wanted to be done with it and it failed to achieve its goal.
>Some of the digital effects but not the practical ones.
No the whole package.
They were still using optical photochemical compositing which made everything grainy. They built massive miniatures without real consideration about how they would be used. Their creature designs were second-rate (just look at the Stan Winston Gryphon above). And everything was clumsily filmed from poorly chosen camera angles. It doesn't hold up. Compare this to the Heisei Gamera series made for half the budget, but with superior creature designs, and detailed miniatures built only for what was needed based on pre-storyboarded effects scenes that filmed the action from human eye level and gave a believable sense of scale.
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I'd pick the Heisei Godzilla designs over the the Gryphon or the Heisei Gamera ones. They're more interesting and distinct.
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You must have some nostalgic connection to them. You're not looking at things objectively, but it's okay.
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>You must have some nostalgic connection to them.
I got into Heisei Godzilla at the same time as Heisei Gamera, so no. >You're not looking at things objectively,
I forgot that your opinion is objective and that everyone else is wrong, sorry. I'll start lying to myself and say that Biollante is worse than the generic gryphon design so I can be more like you.
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Anonymous
Biollante was where they peaked. Everything that came after was a step down.
Again, you obviously got into these when you were very young. It's okay to have a blinding affection for childhood things.
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The other Heisei Godzilla designs are still more memorable than the Heisei Gamera ones. >Again, you obviously got into these when you were very young
Alright homosexual, just keep pretending that everyone else with slightly different taste in giant monster movies than you has some ulterior motive instead of it just being a completely subjective thing. I got into both series the past two years, I'm guessing you're projecting and your childhood love for Gamera defined your taste.
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>Alright homosexual, just keep pretending that everyone else with slightly different taste in giant monster movies than you has some ulterior motive
Wow, triggered!
Nostalgia isn't an 'ulterior motive'. You obviously have a childlike affection for these, and I'm sorry for stepping on that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Keep coping because I said I thought the Godzilla villains were a bit cooler than the Gamera ones. It's obvious you're projecting and you've got left over fanboyism from when you watched the movies as a kid, wish you were mature enough to actually discuss them instead of breaking down and crying over something so minor.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Biollante is underrated if anything.
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Anonymous
Heisei Gamera was top tier shit, all 3 of its films. I liked Gamera vs Iris and I feel like Iris should be used more, cool design and powerset. I wonder what a Heisei Guiron, Viras, Barugon or Zigra wouldve looked like
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Heisei Gamera films were dope as frick.
When Kaneko finally got to do his Godzilla film, it was a bit of a disappointment in comparison. Still the best of the Millenium series, but not quite on the same level as what he achieved with Gamera.
They should've given him the whole series and carte blanche.
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They remain some of my favourite films to this day. Gamera vs Legion and vs Iris especially. The scene where Gamera calls all the worlds mana in one last stand against Legion is so fricking kino.
Have you seen the 2015 Gamera short film? I really like the kaiju design in there (some fans have taken to calling him Kugekira, picrel). I feel like he'd be a good addition to the mythos
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GMK was a disappointment? Shit, I gotta watch his Gamera movies.
5 months ago
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NTA but I liked GMK more than his Gamera movies. They're not bad though, definitely worth watching if you like kaiju.
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I think I don't really like kaiju movies, though. Just Godzilla (and even then I really am only there for Mechagodzilla). That's what keeps me from watching Gamera.
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>I think I don't really like kaiju movies
Alright then you probably shouldn't watch Gamera.
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I think I don't really like kaiju movies, though. Just Godzilla (and even then I really am only there for Mechagodzilla). That's what keeps me from watching Gamera.
They're interesting both in terms of the approach to visual effects, and also in terms of constructing interesting, original storylines involving human characters and giant monsters.
They're solid, well-crafted movies that hold up really well. I think the 1st was only better than average, but the 2nd and 3rd are a big improvement.
That's not difficult, the CG was pretty poor in Shin. Looks ok until he starts moving, which is probably why he's frozen in place for the entirety of the second half of the movie.
Design is essentially a theropod dinosaur with stegosur-inspired plates on his back. The main difference is 1950s dinos were upright and heavyset, and 1990s were horizontal and shrink-wrapped. Sony paid Toho millions for the rights, so it's all licensed, official.
It was a contract thing that Toho got to keep the Hollywood design after a certain amount of time. Toho's lawyers are like Disney lawyers, they're super protective of the copyright.
Stan Winston's design is kino af you moronic Black person. You're a pedophile.
I'm still pissed about Godzilla 94. Stan Winston's design and Gryphon wouldve been kino. Instead we got a fricking jobber who died to conventional missiles. King Kong 33 much?
I’ve only seen this movie, the legendary monsterverse movies, and Shin Godzilla. Should I check out the original Japanese ones? I’ve got like 20 of them on my pc
Sure. I wish I could be watching them right now, they're terrific. I realized that other than the anime movies even if I don't like some of them like Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla I'm always excited to watch it. Especially the 60s ones.
The heisei movies might be more digestible for new viewers. I'm particularly fond of Godzilla 84/Returns, granted the suit doesn't always look as good as the following movies. Biollante is also really good.
I guess 1990s Muricans weren't quite as obese, but solid point.
Obesity in the states was already a huge widespread problem by the 90s, zoomie.
True, but in 90s they managed to mostly keep them off movies and tv, unless the point was for the character to be a fatass, like characters played by Wayne Knight. A shunned, despised minority, rather than a catered to, pandered to demographic.
I'm certain it's more widespread now than it was then.
I wish I could like the Japanese films but I just don't like Japs. Their mannerisms and language and how they look is just not nice. I'd rather watch some Zoomer mutt film than a jap one.
The scene is lit so you see everything no problem. You can't see anything during night scenes unless there's a source of light somewhere so it's some bullshit realism but only on home media. It looked ok in theatres.
The scene is lit so you see everything no problem. You can't see anything during night scenes unless there's a source of light somewhere so it's some bullshit realism but only on home media. It looked ok in theatres.
Yeah, I don't know how it looks at home but in theaters it was fricking amazing seeing Godzilla's spines and breath light up the dark with no other light sources. I had dragged my dad along to the movie and it's not his normal thing but when it got to this part even he sat up and got hyped for it.
I took a non-fan friend and he reacted. It never happened before or since. This scene was special. And before that when they revealed his heat ray for the first time I wasn't even sure he's gonna have one because everyone was so certain that it's too unrealistic for the current times.
Now look at us. No one will say Gigan is too outlandish to be in the next movie.
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>before that when they revealed his heat ray for the first time I wasn't even sure he's gonna have one because everyone was so certain that it's too unrealistic for the current times
I thought exactly the same thing, so it was hype as frick to see it show up like that, especially when it was never even hinted at in trailers. It was such a good surprise.
Maybe. But there have been only three so far and in the last one Godzilla played second fiddle as he will in the next one. I like KotM for what it did for the monsters, the movie clearly loved them, but as a movie overall 2014 is simply solid overall and holds up really well.
I don't understand why kotm wasn't considered better by the masses. I hardly remember the plots of either, but Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan looked amazing on the big screen. Much better visual spectacle than 2014 and dumb bug monsters. As far as story goes, it's a dumb monster movie, the plots will always be bad.
I like 2014 more because it's grounded and a little more grim.
In contrast, 2019 goes all out YOLO on sci-fi shit, from the Orca device, to the oxygen bomb, to the flying headquarters, to the hollow earth.
Coincidentally, I'm no fan of Hesei either, because of all the sci-fi bullshit.
I can forgive Godzilla 2000 for the aliens, because alien craft are still less of an unrealistic stretch than a fricking hollow earth.
Legendary just took their Monsterverse slop the wrong way, if you ask me.
*Also the monsters' exposition in Hawai is absolute GOAT, everything's perfect about it.
The best American Godzilla scenes to date, IMHO.
San Francisco third act was a little bit of a letdown. Should've kept it in Las Vegas, would've been much more kino.
Remove the Godzilla name and no one would have a problem with this movie.
It's literally just a remake of pic related.
Also it gave us an awesome cartoon.
But I never did. The 'Zilla movie made a big impression on me as a kid. It's why I still love rainy cities to this day. Great atmosphere/cinematography.
i actually dint get it that much. emmerich movies are bad most of the time but its a goofy kinda bad that fits godzilla, because a lot of the movies arent good for most of the time. ten minutes at most per movie
It's Godzilla!
It looks like Godzilla, but due to international copyright laws- it's not.
>IT'S GOJIRA YOU MORON
I don't, and frankly it's bizarre that she never got a suit movie despite having the most human proportions. Go ahead and say it's a different subspecies from goji, it's not like fish from the atlantic look exactly like their counterparts in the pacific. Its ability to produce large amounts of offspring would be an interesting way to balance the vast difference in size between her and the real godzilla.
>it's bizarre that she never got a suit movie
If it means anything they did use a suit in some shots of 1998. Not a lot but there there.
That's pretty cool
Yeah, it's pretty clear when watching the Blu-Ray, because of how badly the CGI shots have aged in comparison to the few suit shots.
The cgi back then was great
So much soul in this design and movie as a whole. Imo one of the best godzilla films and definitely did not deserve the cringe fan backlash
Yeah I don't get it. There's a lot of beautiful shots and creative staging in this film.
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>geeeet beekk heeeyaah yuuu reeetaaaarrdd
Animal is possibly my favorite human in any kaiju flick ever.
Goji looking fresh in the Asics
WHAT ARE THOOOOOOSE
Should have used more of the suit, it looks good.
I have the Cinefex issue from that year. If I recall correctly, they only used it for one shot, where it is rising up from the wreckage.
I agree, I wish they'd used it more.
>look at the wiener on that thing !
Because his movie was a romantic comedy
Because I was told to
I came into this thread just to write this exact phrase. It's a silly and enjoyable noisy summer flick.
It's boring shit. Cut 40 minutes from it and it may be watchable.
That's a her, stupid monkey.
They hate it because it’s not like the classic Japanese Godzilla, and even then Japanese Godzilla designs vary from great to shit like picrel
>and I say this as a fan of the Japanese Godzilla movies
The movie was completely clueless and childish on the idea of Godzilla. Godzilla is a childish character in a lot of cases, sure, but I mean Roland Emmerich barely knew who Godzilla was and just thought of it as some Japanese garbage not worth looking at, so he ends up making a rom com where he brainstorms the entire plot by thinking of how he would handle a pet lizard but big
I meant the design specifically. Should’ve been more specific
Ah
I just don't care about any of the Japanese movies that came before and why should they be relevant
You aren't watching those movies you are watching the Emmerich American 90s version
People are allowed to follow their own vision in art and constraining them arbitrarily to the media which came before is just anti-art
That's totally fine but why is it a matthew broderick rom com?
Every Godzulla movie is effectively a human element movie with Godzilla and the kaiju being a disaster that keeps things moving. It's a weak criticism, but I'd agree that the human element in 98 is weak.
Perhaps it exposes how corny Godzilla really is but seeing it done in an American style without that sense of foreign alterity really makes for an ugly movie
>art
It's fricking Godzilla 98', dude
>You aren't watching those movies you are watching the Emmerich American 90s version
And that version is shit and barely Godzilla.
>him
I don't hate her. Love me some 90s murican zilla
It's funny because OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off of an American movie and Japan wanks over it like it's gods greatest idea ever that only they thought of. Still love my godzilla but the 'purists' need to die in a fire, it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathoms
>it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathoms
Well almost, BF20KF is the cheap monster flick, Godzilla elevated the 50s monster B-movie to something deeper and more epic (but then fell back to the cheap B-movie roots as the Showa era progressed).
>original Godzilla
>shitty
All of your opinions are moot
It's totally fine for movies to take an idea from another film and run with it, it happens all the fricking time. And cheap rip-off is just false. Fathoms is literally just a big iguana, Godzilla has some thought behind it's design. Instead say you're too stupid to grasp the design behind Godzilla and move on.
>It's funny because OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off of an American movie and Japan wanks over it like it's gods greatest idea ever that only they thought of. Still love my godzilla but the 'purists' need to die in a fire, it is and always was a cheap rip off of the beast from 20,000 fathom
There's also a very similar monster design and storyline in on of the 1940s Fleischer Bros Superman shorts.
Eugene Lourie, director of The Beast would go on to make his own suitmation version with Gorgo, which is better in terms of effects and storytelling to the vast majority of Godzilla films to this day.
No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla. Just so you know. Godzilla is of course superior in every single way but these movies aren't really similar outside of the most superficial level so there's no need to compare them as much.
>Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka flew to Jakarta to renegotiate with the Indonesian government but was unsuccessful.
>On the flight back to Japan, he conceived the idea for a giant monster film, inspired by the 1953 film The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and the Daigo Fukuryū Maru incident, which happened in March 1954.
Yeah no, he's right, The Beast did serve as an inspiration.
Every single person asked about it from Tanaka to Honda, Inoue and so one or people who wrote their memoirs never said anything about The Beast. Everyone said the inspiration came from 1952 re-release of King Kong. The only possible connection that might've happened was Tanaka reading about The Beast in a magazine or seeing a poster.
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms was released in the US in June 1953, Tanaka came up with the idea of Godzilla in March 1954. In the meantime he was busy producing movie after movie for Toho. If someone was to copy The Beast he would have to anticipate months in advance that they would be making the movie, fly to the US to watch the movie then remember the details months later.
Shigeru Kayama's story has a lighthouse scene that was leter removed by Honda and Murata when they were adapting it into the script but it would make sense for Kayama, a sci fi author, to be familiar with Ray Bradbury's Foghorn.
That's about it.
For the record The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms was released in Japan in December 1954 a full month after Godzilla. The distributor was Daiei, Toho's rival so no early screenings for them.
>If someone was to copy The Beast he would have to anticipate months in advance that they would be making the movie, fly to the US to watch the movie then remember the details months later.
What's so difficult to believe about someone remembering a movie they watched in 1953 when they say they were inspired by a movie they watched in 1952?
Because it's far more probable that someone simply saw the poster in a film magazine and thought "hey, dinosaur would make for a much better monster than an octopus." But everyone at Toho was a fan of King Kong not some unknown reptilian monster from a movie they couldn't even watch. Rhedosaurus wasn't even that fresh. The atomic angle was but it's not like it wasn't constantly in the headlines in Japan at the time. But there was Lost Continent and other cheap dinosaur films in the early 50s.
They don't mention it because it's be a pretty flagrant litigious grounds.
A lot of Japanese culture is bullshitting to save face and make them look better. Same thing with them saying they work 15 hours a day(and then peak productivity is like 5 of those hours and if they fall asleep for 3 hours it's considered them working so hard they need to sleep)
We're talking about people like very humble, honest man like Honda admitting that The Beast was not the inspiration in the late 1980s. The movies aren't even that similar. WB didn't have a monopoly on dinosaur monsters.
>No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla.
Of course they would say that.
They can't touch the VFX mastery of Harryhausen. It's too embarrassing to admit their clumsy response.
I would still say man in the suit worked pretty well.
It's beautiful. Much more foreboding than if they used stop motion. Both techniques have their limitations it's not like stop motion is just better every time. Gorgo I think looks more effective than The Beast because you can actually show extensive damage with suits and miniatures.
They didn't have time to do stop motion, Godzilla was created because another movie got shitcanned and left a big November slot open. Suits were the only way they could get the movie done in a few months, Tsuburaya said a stop motion version would take him seven years to do.
>Tsuburaya said a stop motion version would take him seven years to do.
It never took Harryhausen that long. They did use some stopmotion in a few of their movies. Their attempts in King Kong vs Godzilla are notably pathetic.
It would take them seven years because they had more effects scenes planned and without stop motion traditions. Although they had to innovate a lot with Godzilla but at least Tsuburaya knew how to shoot with miniatures and they look fantastic.
>It would take them seven years because they had more effects scenes planned and without stop motion traditions. Although they had to innovate a lot with Godzilla but at least Tsuburaya knew how to shoot with miniatures and they look fantastic.
With stop-motion you just have to be more focused and judicious in how it's used. King Kong didn't take 7 years.
The miniature work in Godzilla '54 only looks good in comparison to some of the sloppier sequels and ripoffs, and black and white photography hides a multitude of flaws.
The full color miniature work in Gorgo holds up a lot better.
Godzilla looks fantastic because not only were Tsuburaya's miniatures impressive work of art, for this kind of movie black and white works perfectly. In some shots it looks like some abandoned newsreel it's incredible. I like happy colorful 60s movies but classic Godzilla was never more effective than in 1954. I'm so glad it's not stop motion. First of all it would limit the destruction scenes because stop motion doesn't allow for a lot of interaction with the environment. Which is what allowed Gorgo to show a lot more of the destruction than The Beast (a lighthouse and a side of one building).
Resources issue. Plus doing building crumble in stop motion is a pain in the ass. I think even Harryhausen admitted that the saucers crashing in Earth vs the Flying Saucers was one of the more difficult things to do.
From technical point of view the advantage of suits and miniatures is that the scenes can be filmed faster but the crew has to be a lot larger. And it's still an incredibly difficult, time-consuming and sometimes dangerous work so faster yes, easier, not really.
>No one from Toho watched The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms before making Godzilla.
As it happens, Roland Emmerich had never heard of Godzilla prior to making the 1998 movie and the similarities are purely coincidental. Tri-Star, of course, had to secure the rights to the title from Toho after principal filming was completed and they were made aware of the Japanese films, but other than the name, these movies aren't really similar outside of the most superficial level so there's no need to compare them as much.
>Never heard of Godzilla
If true, he was just being coy.
>OG Godzilla is a cheap shitty knock-off
It's not cheap or shitty at all, and anyone who says Godzilla 1954 is a ripoff of Beast from 20000 Fathoms probably hasn't seen either, because the only thing they share is the general concept of "dinosaur awakened by nukes". The movies go in completely different directions.
Am I the only who thinks the Minus One Godzilla is sexy hot? I get a boner whenever I see his sexy hot body and his attractive sexy face.
Toho signed off on this. This is Godzilla for real.
Then a few years later they make the cringiest Godzilla movie in 30 years and pretend like it was only 'Zilla'. Truly pathetic.
>imagine thinking Final Wars is a cringe movie wihen they gave us the best Gigan model ever.
You are a gay
Looks like something out of Power Rangers.
I'm embarrassed for you if you're honestly impressed by this.
>Something from the genre that spawned Power Rangers looks like Power Rangers
No shit sherlock.
>Looks like something out of Power Rangers.
Crazy that something from a tokusatsu movie would look like something from a tokusatsu series. Almost like there wouldn't be Super Sentai/Power Rangers in the first place without Godzilla.
Got killed by a few missiles. Lamest version ever.
Good movie
Not really a Godzilla movie
Better than the 2014 Godzilla movie
More of a remake of "Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" and remakes at least 3 scenes from that movie.
More like its a Matthew Broderick rom com and a Simpsons episode
It also has the “destroy the nest” subplot from Them!
>Better than the 2014 Godzilla movie
Crazy how Bryan Cranston even openly loathes the movie by making the valid point that the protagonist is just a boring npc character who just moves scene to scene. And he points out that his character is a lot more dynamic despite have an iota of screentime compared to the protag
He's right. The advertising was classic bait and switch. It was only good so long as he was in it, then it became as boring as everything Gareth Edwards has ever put out.
>Better than the 2014 Godzilla movie
Slit your wrists.
It certainly has more charm just because it has Broderick and is set in 90s NYC. 2014 is a better movie, though.
>him
Wasn't this Godzilla a girl? I remember something about there being eggs and tiny Godzillas chasing murderer Mathew Broderick
gender fluid
SUPERSIZE OUR TRAGEDIES
cartoon was surprising kino. I still love zilly
I don't hate deathclaws.
He's hated because he had to live up to Godzilla and wasn't written in a way that fit that. Now, if you look at TriStar Godzilla as his own monster/movie, he's fine. At worst it's still a bit of goofy fun.
It's also oozing with late 90s aesthetic, if that's your thing.
Godzilla is like pizza.
Even when it's bad, it's good.
>him
YES, HIM
>HIM
A bit of both. Sculpted to be female, and referred to as male. In the cartoon movie zilla is also referred to as the father of toon zilla
She fricking lays eggs.
Looks like a him to me, I aint calling it a she you fricking black ass Black person gay homosexual
>troony
>only a troony would refuse to call a child-bearing member of a species by female pronouns
>only a troony would like Shin Godzilla
Trannies are the ones who spin lies, anon. I'm no troony.
>>only a troony would like Shin Godzilla
Yes.
Why do you hate him?
>hate
Zilla Jr. was cooler
>enters the chat
Sup
It's one of those things people hate for no reason, even though it's pretty good. In fact, it's the best Godzilla ever made.
Another example of this is Deus Ex: Invisible War. People hate it because their precious pc title came to consoles. That's it. It's actually a good game.
yeah, I can't understand why 'people' don't like something being dumbed down, simplified, have all the soul and atmosphere stripped out of it, and all the detail shaved off. not sure how they can justify disliking something merely because everything that made the original thing good was removed. makes no sense at all.
it's like the remake of nightmare on elm street, it's just better. it's new so it's good.
They wanted the game's graphics to be superior and they wanted to add an actual physics engine to the game + real time lighting effects. They also wanted the shooting to feel better. So naturally, some things had to be simplified and some features removed to accommodate the specific improvements they were focused on.
It's just like when people complained about Morrowind -> Oblivion. "Duuude, in Morrowind we had spears and we had throwing weapons wtf. Oblivion is so dumbed down" yeah... but they massively improved the graphics and added a physics engine. The actual combat is now decent too. It isn't great but it isn't atrocious like it used to be. Swinging your sword around feels much better in Oblivion than it does Morrowind. But some people just don't pay any attention to that. They just laser focus in on the few features lost than on the overall improvements to the game. Sad.
>better graphics
>on a console
oblivion was horribly dumbed down, and skyrim even more so.
the interface on skyrim was almost unusable because they had to make it for quadreplic console users, and for some reason decided a scrolling text list of hundreds of items is more user friendly than a grid of easily recognisable items.
anything consolified is puke.
graphical improvements come with time anyway. look at elder scrolls 2 to morrowibd.
combat is appalling in all their games because they don't know how to make it decent and it clearly isn't important for them.
you like playing shooters on a console with a game pad, that makes you incapable of holding a decent opinion, as evidenced by your repeated mentions of graphics, despite hardware limitations having been a bottleneck for console games compared to pcs since the early 90s.
you're doing the reverse version of what you're accusing others of, and picking on the few minor improvements as warranting the loss of whatever made a game good in the first place.
might as well say "yeah jumping and bings were stripped out of mario #512, but the graphics are better and the eater moves more realistically, I don't know what people are complaining about."
Oblivion was not dumbed down from Morrowind. The game was about a 100x more complex with all its systems and mechanics.
And yes, Invisible War has better graphics than Deus Ex 1, even though Deus Ex 1 was a PC exclusive.
I don't. I was 7 when the movie came out and had already watched many old Godzilla films including the originals.
I don't hate him at all. In fact, he's my most favourite Godzilla design.
Her*
I loved this movie as a kid, watched it a ton of times and it even made me emotional at the end when he died.
I rewatched it this year and it holds up, it's a fun fricking movie. I don't know why people hate it. It has a ton of soul. It's easily Emmerich's best film (his only good one)
Midget.
I don’t but Zilla is clearly not Godzilla and the movie isn’t very good. Neat cartoon though
>him
so emmerich made godzilla female & asexually, so that he could beside ripping off jurrasic park t-rex, also could rip off the raptors
Yes, Emmerich is a hack and openly said he doesn't like Godzilla.
His producer and probably frick buddy Devlin pretended to be a fan and maybe he was to an extent but he took on the duties of lying to everyone and to this day he's traumatized. 1998 Godzilla practically destroyed their careers. They still have them but they're not as high profile as they were before that movie.
I'd actually argue the movie was good for the franchise overall. It kickstarted millennium by being fricking bad, and the tv show is good. It also elevated the profile of Goji in the US above MST3K shitting on it
the design wasnt bad, its just not godzilla.
also the movie itself was really bad and its cgi does not hold up at all
The CGI is actually better than a lot of Shin Godzilla's.
i don’t necessarily disagree with this, but thats because that japs absolutely cannot into cgi. i have no idea why they insist on using it for their new godzilla movies when the suits if millenium era were fantastic.
its not.
its the hollywood “improved” godzilla. it was not made in homage to godzilla but rather in spite of godzilla
Because Toho has concluded that Japanese normies don't like rubber suits anymore and that even bad CG will gain more traction with them and international normie audiences.
Switching from practical effects to weak CGI was such a bad move
>its the hollywood “improved” godzilla. it was not made in homage to godzilla but rather in spite of godzilla
It's still Godzilla. Hollywood wanted to do a Godzilla movie since at least the early 80s. It's a solid and recognisable brand, and they wanted to apply modern Hollywood filmmaking techniques to telling that story.
The Heisei series was looking pathetically dated by the 90s. There was solid demand for a Godzilla movie, just one that didn't look anything like those. Imagine watching G vs Space Godzilla after seeing Jurassic Park.
>The Heisei series was looking pathetically dated by the 90s.
Some of the digital effects but not the practical ones.
The digital effects in Heisei were minimal and look good those are things like" digital simulation of an attack on Godzilla (looking like something out of first Star Wars very class), Futurians transporting Godzillasaurus and Super-X3 freezing Godzilla's face.
Practical effects look great and I hope we'll be seeing more of that outside of anniversary shorts but I'm not attached to the idea of Godzilla not getting with the times. But G'98 was dogshit, obviously made by someone who hated the series and wanted to be done with it and it failed to achieve its goal.
>Some of the digital effects but not the practical ones.
No the whole package.
They were still using optical photochemical compositing which made everything grainy. They built massive miniatures without real consideration about how they would be used. Their creature designs were second-rate (just look at the Stan Winston Gryphon above). And everything was clumsily filmed from poorly chosen camera angles. It doesn't hold up. Compare this to the Heisei Gamera series made for half the budget, but with superior creature designs, and detailed miniatures built only for what was needed based on pre-storyboarded effects scenes that filmed the action from human eye level and gave a believable sense of scale.
I'd pick the Heisei Godzilla designs over the the Gryphon or the Heisei Gamera ones. They're more interesting and distinct.
You must have some nostalgic connection to them. You're not looking at things objectively, but it's okay.
>You must have some nostalgic connection to them.
I got into Heisei Godzilla at the same time as Heisei Gamera, so no.
>You're not looking at things objectively,
I forgot that your opinion is objective and that everyone else is wrong, sorry. I'll start lying to myself and say that Biollante is worse than the generic gryphon design so I can be more like you.
Biollante was where they peaked. Everything that came after was a step down.
Again, you obviously got into these when you were very young. It's okay to have a blinding affection for childhood things.
The other Heisei Godzilla designs are still more memorable than the Heisei Gamera ones.
>Again, you obviously got into these when you were very young
Alright homosexual, just keep pretending that everyone else with slightly different taste in giant monster movies than you has some ulterior motive instead of it just being a completely subjective thing. I got into both series the past two years, I'm guessing you're projecting and your childhood love for Gamera defined your taste.
>Alright homosexual, just keep pretending that everyone else with slightly different taste in giant monster movies than you has some ulterior motive
Wow, triggered!
Nostalgia isn't an 'ulterior motive'. You obviously have a childlike affection for these, and I'm sorry for stepping on that.
Keep coping because I said I thought the Godzilla villains were a bit cooler than the Gamera ones. It's obvious you're projecting and you've got left over fanboyism from when you watched the movies as a kid, wish you were mature enough to actually discuss them instead of breaking down and crying over something so minor.
Biollante is underrated if anything.
Heisei Gamera was top tier shit, all 3 of its films. I liked Gamera vs Iris and I feel like Iris should be used more, cool design and powerset. I wonder what a Heisei Guiron, Viras, Barugon or Zigra wouldve looked like
Heisei Gamera films were dope as frick.
When Kaneko finally got to do his Godzilla film, it was a bit of a disappointment in comparison. Still the best of the Millenium series, but not quite on the same level as what he achieved with Gamera.
They should've given him the whole series and carte blanche.
They remain some of my favourite films to this day. Gamera vs Legion and vs Iris especially. The scene where Gamera calls all the worlds mana in one last stand against Legion is so fricking kino.
Have you seen the 2015 Gamera short film? I really like the kaiju design in there (some fans have taken to calling him Kugekira, picrel). I feel like he'd be a good addition to the mythos
GMK was a disappointment? Shit, I gotta watch his Gamera movies.
NTA but I liked GMK more than his Gamera movies. They're not bad though, definitely worth watching if you like kaiju.
I think I don't really like kaiju movies, though. Just Godzilla (and even then I really am only there for Mechagodzilla). That's what keeps me from watching Gamera.
>I think I don't really like kaiju movies
Alright then you probably shouldn't watch Gamera.
They're interesting both in terms of the approach to visual effects, and also in terms of constructing interesting, original storylines involving human characters and giant monsters.
They're solid, well-crafted movies that hold up really well. I think the 1st was only better than average, but the 2nd and 3rd are a big improvement.
That's not difficult, the CG was pretty poor in Shin. Looks ok until he starts moving, which is probably why he's frozen in place for the entirety of the second half of the movie.
It's definitely Godzilla.
Design is essentially a theropod dinosaur with stegosur-inspired plates on his back. The main difference is 1950s dinos were upright and heavyset, and 1990s were horizontal and shrink-wrapped. Sony paid Toho millions for the rights, so it's all licensed, official.
It's Godzilla.
Back then but Toho immediately toyed with the idea of making it a separate entity. Which is why the monster showed up in Final Wars.
Sony should've made them pay big bucks to license the character design back to them for that stupid shitty movie.
It was a contract thing that Toho got to keep the Hollywood design after a certain amount of time. Toho's lawyers are like Disney lawyers, they're super protective of the copyright.
You have to be a complete simpleton to enjoy this movie. It's garbage made for drooling morons
It's Zilla, not Godzilla so why would I care that he's a homosexual?
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I do not. At all.
1998
CONS!
> Lack of classic Godzilla's aggressiveness & invulnerability.
> Arguably too much time playing Jurassic Park with the babies (I was fine with it)
> Arguably too much time spent on romance (didn't bother me the last time I watched it)
> CGI for the babies doesn't hold up.
PROS!
> God tier score & opening credits.
> Great first attack on NYC, handled in a realistic disaster manner similar to how Gamera 3 handled it although less bleakly.
> Fantastic submarine battle.
> Good Helicopter chase.
> Cool military porn that isn't ever "America frick yeah-ish"
> Godzilla's death scene is extremely well done regardless of the disappointment of him being killed by normal missiles.
> Godzilla's classic nuclear origin & nature remains intact they just swapped America for France.
> Decent to good overall cast. Reno is solid. Broderick is a bit meek but still a likable enough non annoying lead.
> Zilla's design is solid just not for being Godzilla.
> CGI for the adult Godzilla holds up reasonably well.
> Practical effects for the babies is decent (their heads are a bit oversized).
External opportunities it presented & took advantage of!
> Spawned the fantastic animated series.
External opportunities it denied us!
> It assfricked us out of the beautiful looking Stan Winston (rip) Godzilla movie.
frick off
Pro:
Dope Godzilla glove toy.
Loved that shit.
> It assfricked us out of the beautiful looking Stan Winston (rip) Godzilla movie.
Good, it was terrible
Stan Winston's design is kino af you moronic Black person. You're a pedophile.
This is fricking moronic
You're proof of God's failure
The tail and everything from the shoulders up looks amazing. The arms, belly, and fatass look supremely Murican.
Like a pale redneck diabetic.
The head is cool, the body looks like a fat little boy.
I'm still pissed about Godzilla 94. Stan Winston's design and Gryphon wouldve been kino. Instead we got a fricking jobber who died to conventional missiles. King Kong 33 much?
GZ lookin' kinda sexy here
>chest pushed out
>bent over in pose
>ass on display for the BHC
I’ve only seen this movie, the legendary monsterverse movies, and Shin Godzilla. Should I check out the original Japanese ones? I’ve got like 20 of them on my pc
Sure. I wish I could be watching them right now, they're terrific. I realized that other than the anime movies even if I don't like some of them like Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla I'm always excited to watch it. Especially the 60s ones.
definitely. very charming films
The heisei movies might be more digestible for new viewers. I'm particularly fond of Godzilla 84/Returns, granted the suit doesn't always look as good as the following movies. Biollante is also really good.
>american godzilla is not fat
this doesn't make sense
Solid point.
I guess 1990s Muricans weren't quite as obese, but solid point.
Obesity in the states was already a huge widespread problem by the 90s, zoomie.
True, but in 90s they managed to mostly keep them off movies and tv, unless the point was for the character to be a fatass, like characters played by Wayne Knight. A shunned, despised minority, rather than a catered to, pandered to demographic.
I'm certain it's more widespread now than it was then.
A interesting point nonetheless.
The American Godzilla cartoon is the best Godzilla media outside of the Monsterverse.
I'd don't
I just like her kid more
I wish I could like the Japanese films but I just don't like Japs. Their mannerisms and language and how they look is just not nice. I'd rather watch some Zoomer mutt film than a jap one.
>him
>him
She laid eggs homosexual.
Looking back it’s still the best American Godzilla film
2014 was so ass.
>dude, let's be subversive and cut away whenever godzilla is about to show up!
I hate modern Hollywood.
Yes, but consider the following...
They needed to brighten the pic because you can barely see it in the actual movie.
The scene is lit so you see everything no problem. You can't see anything during night scenes unless there's a source of light somewhere so it's some bullshit realism but only on home media. It looked ok in theatres.
Yeah, I don't know how it looks at home but in theaters it was fricking amazing seeing Godzilla's spines and breath light up the dark with no other light sources. I had dragged my dad along to the movie and it's not his normal thing but when it got to this part even he sat up and got hyped for it.
I took a non-fan friend and he reacted. It never happened before or since. This scene was special. And before that when they revealed his heat ray for the first time I wasn't even sure he's gonna have one because everyone was so certain that it's too unrealistic for the current times.
Now look at us. No one will say Gigan is too outlandish to be in the next movie.
>before that when they revealed his heat ray for the first time I wasn't even sure he's gonna have one because everyone was so certain that it's too unrealistic for the current times
I thought exactly the same thing, so it was hype as frick to see it show up like that, especially when it was never even hinted at in trailers. It was such a good surprise.
Maybe. But there have been only three so far and in the last one Godzilla played second fiddle as he will in the next one. I like KotM for what it did for the monsters, the movie clearly loved them, but as a movie overall 2014 is simply solid overall and holds up really well.
1998>2014
Dreary Gareth Edwards garbage. A total snooze.
I don't understand why kotm wasn't considered better by the masses. I hardly remember the plots of either, but Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan looked amazing on the big screen. Much better visual spectacle than 2014 and dumb bug monsters. As far as story goes, it's a dumb monster movie, the plots will always be bad.
By the critics. Among fans it's still the most popular of the four. Hard to say what's the ranking among casual viewers.
I like 2014 more because it's grounded and a little more grim.
In contrast, 2019 goes all out YOLO on sci-fi shit, from the Orca device, to the oxygen bomb, to the flying headquarters, to the hollow earth.
Coincidentally, I'm no fan of Hesei either, because of all the sci-fi bullshit.
I can forgive Godzilla 2000 for the aliens, because alien craft are still less of an unrealistic stretch than a fricking hollow earth.
Legendary just took their Monsterverse slop the wrong way, if you ask me.
>2019 goes all out YOLO on sci-fi shit
As a Godzilla.
>As a Godzilla sequel should.
I don't know how I accidentally deleted half my sentence kek.
Oh, I don't know, must've been time-travelling Futurians... 😉
*Also the monsters' exposition in Hawai is absolute GOAT, everything's perfect about it.
The best American Godzilla scenes to date, IMHO.
San Francisco third act was a little bit of a letdown. Should've kept it in Las Vegas, would've been much more kino.
1998 > 2014
Remove the Godzilla name and no one would have a problem with this movie.
It's literally just a remake of pic related.
Also it gave us an awesome cartoon.
But I never did. The 'Zilla movie made a big impression on me as a kid. It's why I still love rainy cities to this day. Great atmosphere/cinematography.
Love her!
Cuz she's American, and homies hate us cuz they anus.
She's cooler and more true to Godzilla than Shin.
i actually dint get it that much. emmerich movies are bad most of the time but its a goofy kinda bad that fits godzilla, because a lot of the movies arent good for most of the time. ten minutes at most per movie
That's a lot of fish!
I enjoyed it a lot
I watched this way too many times as a kid. Still one of my guilty pleasures.
>Still one of my guilty pleasures.
There's nothing in it you should feel remotely guilty about. It's just a great Godzilla movie.
Good monster design but not a good Godzilla design.