Why does Cinemaphile hate Miles Morales for taking over the mantle of Spiderman but loves Batman Beyond for the exact same thing?
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Why do you hate Miles Morales for taking over the mantle of Spiderman but loves Batman Beyond for the exact same thing?
Because of his blaxitude.
Shut the frick up.
i think the reason is pretty obvious.
but giving the benefit of the doubt, i would say it's because firstly, there's no reason to replace peter. he's a beloved character and still in his prime, and this whole thing just feels really forced. second, miles is just black peter. you could write a bio about him that's just that. same values, same quips, mostly the same powers save for a few rule-of-cool changeups.
terry is a very different character to bruce, and is introduced at a time in bruce's career where he physically cannot batman anymore. terry doesn't have the no-kill rule, for one, but still tries to avoid it whenever possible because he just has a strong sense of morals.
miles is introduced because the writers want to replace peter with a black guy. terry is introduced as a continuation of the story - batman failed, and terry comes along to do what he never could and finish what he started.
>mostly the same powers save for a few rule-of-cool changeups.
he is a now a black and red green lantern with electric powers
Is this just a frick you to everyone who brought up static shock during these arguments
Very possibly totally
Kek I forgot miles got added to the list of black guys with lightning powers
Kek
>Black superhero
>electric powers
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
Them constantly handing him new powers that make no sense is just proof that they're desperate for people to care about the character and no one does.
Do you think they are giving Miles all this powers so they can un-Spiderman and so Sony can't use him for the movies?
More to the point, Miles was created because Peter died and they wanted a wild hook to get people to keep reading Ultimate Spider-Man: the only Ultimate book people cared about.
Don't get it twisted, Peter died so they could introduce Miles. There was no gap in time between the two events
>they wanted a wild hook to get people to keep reading Ultimate Spider-Man
Leave it to Bendis to forget about Ultimate Scorpion. Imagine what could have been done with him and Jessica butting heads - an insane clone trying to be good and the good clone reeling after the original's death. You could have still brought the original Peter back too and it could have been Peter, reformed Kaine, and Ben over again in terms of dynamics, but no.
Everyone likes to reference the Clone Saga, but no one likes to let any of it stick around.
imo Ultimate clone saga was really fricking good. Carnage being a half-chimeric clone of Peter who thought it was still him and couldn't control its own genetic instability was a wonderfully unsettling idea. Seeing the clones die off sucked, but there was always that missed potential with Ultimate Scorpion. He was just... forgotten with no explanation.
They killed Peter to introduce miles, literally replacing him and killing the ultimate line of comics at the same time, bravo Bendis not even Loeb could do it
> miles is just black peter. you could write a bio about him that's just that. same values, same quips, mostly the same powers save for a few rule-of-cool changeups.
You can say the same for mayday yet most people don’t have a problem with her. And no, her being the daughter of Peter doesn’t change anything
and her villains are just genderswapped versions of the OGs.
To be fair she has some original ones (crazy 8, dragon king, Mr nobody)
>and her villains are just genderswapped versions of the OGs.
Not really. There's Electro's daughter who shows up for two stories, and Talon who becomes an ally after her second appearance
>And no, her being the daughter of Peter doesn’t change anything
You already know the answer. Saying it doesn't count doesn't make it not count. Passing the torch is better when it's kept in the family, just like Bruce to Terry.
>Passing the torch is better when it's kept in the family,
Since Miles was bitten by the same spider that bit Peter that keeps it in the same blood right?
Since I fricked your mom, are we brothers?
Brothers? Means you become her son? My man. Mom-son incest is the future!
Not really. Mayday's extra powers are an extension of Peter's and for the most part make some amount of sense. And they come with caveat that she's not just Peter but better.
And you would hope she has Peter's values, considering that she was raised by him
>And no, her being the daughter of Peter doesn’t change anything
It does though actually. It changes the context, it changes the nature of the relationship she has with the original.
There's a myriad of reasons why Mayday is better and more like than Miles here, but the biggest one is simply that she has good stories while Miles does not
>for the most part make some amount of sense
The electric sword isn't one of them, right?
I'm talking about Mayday's extra powers which are basically just extensions of wall-crawling.
Miles's electricity powers, all of them, do not make sense
Oh gee, I misread your comment. Whoops.
>mayday
You're either an idiot or you're trolling. I never liked Mayday,
stuff like this annoyed me, but I still know her entire approach to being Spider-Girl is different from Peter's approach to being Spider-Man and can appreciate that they tried to make her different. For instance, Peter's handle of his abilities is natural to him, he's completely in sync and they belong to him. Mayday isn't a natural with hers at all.
Peter's approach is born from guilt, "What if I don't act and people get hurt?" while Mayday's is born from positivity, "What if I DO act and I can help people?"
That right there is a fundamental shift between a man who is jaded and cynical and a young woman who is idealistic and hopeful about the world.
> I never liked Mayday,
Not really. Mayday's extra powers are an extension of Peter's and for the most part make some amount of sense. And they come with caveat that she's not just Peter but better.
And you would hope she has Peter's values, considering that she was raised by him
>And no, her being the daughter of Peter doesn’t change anything
It does though actually. It changes the context, it changes the nature of the relationship she has with the original.
There's a myriad of reasons why Mayday is better and more like than Miles here, but the biggest one is simply that she has good stories while Miles does not # stuff like this annoyed me
>doesn’t like mayday because of some small extra abilities she has
>And no, her being the daughter of Peter doesn’t change anything
Actually it changes everything
>and this whole thing just feels really forced.
One of the main reason is that during the announcement of Spider-Man movie getting a reboot, Donald Glover said he wanted to be Spider-Man but can't because he's black. This prompts everyone including Stan Lee to say nonsense, anyone regardless of race can be Spider-Man which leads Marvel to create a black Spider-Man just because.
>This prompts everyone including Stan Lee to say nonsense, anyone regardless of race can be Spider-Man
Actually Stan Lee was turbo-based in this case and said Spider-Man should be Peter Parker and a straight white male, and that if you want diversity you should make your own new character like he did with BP. Then homosexuals first found the most bad faith loophole around that wish i.e. making a character who is exactly like contemporary Peter except he has a different name and skin color, and then they forced Peter to die or retire so the ripoff can take over as the main Spider-Man.
Then they took his other based quote about Spider-Man (who is Peter Parker) being relatable to everyone regardless of skin color because he wears a full face mask, and intentionally misconstrued it to say "everyone can wear the mask" and pushed it as the main theme of a big budget movie going directly against what the quote meant (it meant you didn't need Miles or Pavitr etc because Peter was already so relatable). Poor Stan got subverted hard.
>Larry King
>the man who looks like an owl
I will never get that out of my head.
Well said anon let me summize that for yuh.
TLDR: We worship chinks and hate Black folk
thought they created miles and tried to replace peter in people's minds because of the licensing/rights issues they had to deal with. either way, I agree with everything you listed
Because Batman Beyond was one spinoff cartoon that presented Bruce and Terry as different people with different strengths and weaknesses, and Miles is just intended to be a Current Year replacement for Peter because we're all properly woke now and increasingly shows up in inappropriate locations. You already knew that though, and you're just an empty shell of twitter orthodoxy that only exists to reinforce narratives contrary to observable reality.
the exaggerated swagger.
Of a black teen
You have askes this question many times, and have been told why every time. Are you stupid or do you have short term memory loss?
He is both of those things, but he's also a (You) prostitute who guzzles down attention online like he does cum.
Frick you.
the same reason why they don't hate spider-man 2099
This is bait right?
Take one look at Terry's rogue's gallery and how unique they are, then look at Mile's and realize clowns who ask this question are always doing so in seriously bad faith.
To be perfectly honest, I have no idea who is in Miles rogue gallery besides his uncle, does he get all of Spidey's lesser known villains or something?
He's got a couple of his own now. But nobody cares about them because the meme is more entertaining.
Rabble.
Basically you take the version of Tinkerer from the Miles Morales game and give her psychic control over machines. Then you take her motivation from these threads and have her constantly complaining about how Miles has everything handed to him.
Honestly kinda surprised she doesn't get brought up more given that.
Because she's shit and her motivation is "waah I lost the lottery"
Yeah but that's based behavior according to these threads.
No because she doesn't point out the things we do, instead she cries about not winning the lottery.
She's not mad that Miles gets handed everything, she's mad that she doesn't and she's just as moronic as Phin
>She's not mad that Miles gets handed everything.
That is exactly her argument. She's just mad it's not her, whereas you guys are mad it's not your audience surrogate Peter.
Shit bait, shit character
no no anon the character doesn't even exist. because remember, miles has no villains and only ever steals from Peter.
He's got his Uncle, 616-Miles who, despite having the same history until the spider-bite would have happened is a white dude and Kingpin's best friend, and then the Assessor and Quantum who, credit where it's due, is actually pretty alright. That's basically it.
Spider-boy had more villains than that in like 3 issues and they were a lot less derivative than the obligatory "relative villain, evil counterpart" schticks.
It's like the same morons that use the "There's multiple Robins and no one cared when Dick Grayson was replaced" argument, completely ignoring the fact that Jason Todd was hated so fricking much that the fans voted to have him killed off in the comics.
Yeah. The jokerz were so unique
>Inque
>Shriek
>Mad Stan
>Curaré
>Spellbinder
>Willie Watt
>Blight
That's just recurring bad guys, Terry had plenty of one offs he straight up killed/crippled permanently after their one appearance.
>Mfw Spider-Boy, in less than a year, has more of a unique Rogues Gallery from Peter than Miles has in over a decade.
I don't care much about Slott's OC, but the sheer amount of seethe he's generating from insecure Milesgays is downright delicious.
>a guy with guns that launch bowling pin and an unbreakable bowling ball as helmet
>a guy who can manipulate gases and uses them to control giant ballons
>a spoiled brat with enough money to hire S-tier villains like Taskmaster and buys advanced weapons just turn them into his toys
>an old lady who is one of the greatest genetic engineers in the world and turns people into her anthro servants and the person who gave Bailey his powers
>a little kid who got turned into a huge elephant-rino hybrid and who used to be Bailey's friend
>a spider monster who can read Bailey's inner desires and acts based on them that was created from leftover DNA samples from the experiment that turned him into a human-spider mutant
And this in just 4 issues.
Miles had some original villains in Ahmed's run, but they sucked.
And his supposed rival is pretty shitty
Bowling ball guy would make for an alright joke villain. I think Killionare has potential to be a solid Spider-Boy villain going forward. It has that nice contrast given that Bailey is homeless.
To be honest I never really liked Batman Beyond's rogue gallery, they felt less Batman-y and more Static Shock-y
Milesgays dishonesty is Pro-illegal invader antiwhite commie tier, but it makes sense, they are the same people after all.
Miles as a character is like if Terry were created from Amanda Waller's batshit insane batsperm plan as his actual origin.
Think about that for a second.
The main difference between Miles and Terry is that Terry has good stories that he can call his own. On the other hand, everyone is so afraid to frick up with Miles that he has no good stories that really set him apart as Spider-Man. As a result he is extremely bland. Movie Miles is okay though and I'm sure we'll see his characterization leak into the comics.
I recall when he first came out they tried to make him 'stand out' but the only way they did that was by focusing immediately on his sexuality and race. They had no interest in making an actual character. Just something to sell comics to people they hoped would become a new market to cater to.
Peter should quit being Spiderman! and just turn into Reed Jr. but actually doing shit to help common people with Otto as his Doom or that black chick genius before moongirl
Even if Miles was his own character, the difference is how the replace is treated. In Batman Beyond, Bruce is done with crime fighting and is trying his best to be an actual mentor for Terry. He's treated like an actual supporting character with as much character and story development as the protagonist. It's treated with care and respect to the original while making a story about passing the torch
Peter isn't gone as Spider-Man, he's literally still around fighting crime. There isn't a NEED for Mile to replace him. It was better when Miles was introduced in the comics because Peter was literally dead in that universe. Trying to have both of them coexist while simultaneously pushing Miles as the "Better" Spider-Man just makes the stories feel like shit
>, Bruce is done with crime fighting
Except for the time with the power armor, and the time with the Lazarus pit, and the time with the time travel, and the fact that Bruce still subconsciously calls himself Batman.
Terrible examples with context so let’s go down the line.
>Power armor
This was established in the beginning of the episode that it put too much pressure on his heart and it could kill him. Bruce uses it only to save Terry and almost does using it. Bruce never uses it again.
>Lazarus pit
You couldn’t be more wrong Bruce caved in to feel young again and reconnect with Talia, but it was stated he was still done with being Batman he knew he passed that torch to Terry, of course it was actual Ra’s he was making out with so he swore never again and went back to his proper age not using the pit or anything like it again.
>time with the time travel
This was actually a justice league Unlimited episode not a Batman beyond episode and old Bruce still was support and information, he didn’t plan for or summon young Bruce it just kinda happened. Old Bruce didn’t come out of retirement and Young Batman Bruce never treated Terry as anything less than an equal. If anything wish they would’ve interacted more.
> subconsciously calls himself Batman
Ok and? It’s not like he said to Terry and Gotham I’m the one and only real Batman this little shit stain just gets my shoes. I could subconsciously call myself Superman doesn’t make it true.
Refer to the image please
also don't forget to add that Terry was conceived where at the time "meta" wasn't part of writing. the closest was the play and even then it was tongue in cheek.
Probably because Terry never asked for it. Bruce chose him. And so did Waller.
>Probably because Terry never asked for it
I'm all for shitting on Miles but Terry very much did ask for it. He stole the suit and had to plead his case to Bruce so he could keep it
I think it's very likely that Bruce engineered some of the events that led to Terry finding the suit, or was certainly just pretending to be asleep. They kind of lampshade this later, right? Terry says he chose it and Babs or Tim says "that's what we all thought, too." I can't remember if it was in the movie or what the exact line was
I dunno Bruce was pretty against it, and that scene was really just Barbara projecting her failures onto Terry
Because Miles is one of the scary chocolate people who scare me. Mommy I'm scared. Make the scary chocolate people who scare me go away.
Shut up moron.
But I'm scawed, Mommy. I'm scawed of the scawy chocowate peopwe. Make dem go away Mommy.
Because he's Batman
Because the only reason Miles was created is to be a backup Spider-Man on the off-chance that Sony takes full ownership of the IP. Since that hasn't happened yet, Miles just has to awkwardly sit next to Peter and come up with increasingly shallow reasons to continue existing.
>and come up with increasingly shallow reasons to continue existing.
He shouwd stop existing because da scawy chocowate peopwe scawe meeeeeeeeeee.
mommy i'm scawed of da scawy chocowate peopwe
Racism
Let's be honest, at the end of the day there is nothing that Miles does that isn't handled better by existing characters
>Contemporary Spider-Man that works with Peter
Ben and Kaine are both better and even have their own identity
>Successor Spider-Man once Peter is dead/retired
Mayday and Miguel are right there
Miles serves no purpose
I don't think people were really anti-Miles until after(but not including) spiderverse 1 when games and comics started putting him in the same universe as an alive Pete.
This is the point I became anti-Miles
I still don't really understand or see the problem with this panel.
Peter underestimated miles and compliments his suit, thats all that happens.
>Misses grabbing Miles in a comical fashion
>Doesn't just compliment his suit like pic related, but instead complains that Miles's suit is better than his (and its not the last time Bendis does this)
>Gets punked by Miles's "I-win-attack" twice
Bendis has Spider-Man praise his OC then get beaten up by him
You're weak. Weak and annoying. No one cares about you or your pathetic attempt at a clever schtick.
Miles creation feels so forced. he has shock value coming right after death of Ultimate Universe Peter.
>Miles creation feels so forced
It was. They went on a retreat to brainstorm how to "save" the sales of Ultimate Spider-Man after Ultimatum so they settled on killing Peter off for the controversy boost, before introducing a new Spider-Man that's black for more controversy interest in the hopes that the initial boost in sales would hold.
It did not. Instead Miles's run only had 40% of the sales Peter's run had before he was killed off
To be fair to Miles, by the the third arc it was obvious Bendis was never going to stop spinning his wheels narratively, develop Miles as a character, and introduced Miles expressly for royalties. Miles was mishandled from the outset by a creator who didn't care and by later writers who had no vision for the character.
Miles is a soulless corporate stunt of a character, of course there's no vision behind him
Anon, you're a low-life. Nothing you say matters because you aren't saying anything. You're not even capable of having an honest conversation about cartoons of all things.
Mad widdew poopie baby b***h.
You aren't proving anything to me, anyone else, or even yourself. This is all a cope on your part because you're too stupid to discuss things like a halfway regular person.
I'm sitting here calmly talking to your dumbass, while all your doing is trying to keep up this trolling bit in the hopes that you'll eventually get me upset so you can leave the thread feeling like you've won something. You're wasting time. Why are you even still here?
>Why are you even still here?
Because da dum-dum baby keeps wepwying!
Pure projection. I'm the only reason that you're still here. You desperately need to have the last word.
Dum-dum baby keeps making poopies in diapie.
End your worthless life now.
terry has oR1GiN4L villains
>batman show isn't allowed to have the joker
?
>Joker makes one (1) appearance
>introduces five new antagonists for Terry in the same film anyway
>this is a bad thing
Technically yes? Cause that's just Tim Drake in that movie.
Yes. Because the only old Batman villains that appear in the series are Joker, Mr. Freeze, Ras and Bane (who is strapped to a chair and does nothing). Everyone else is a new villain. Some even homages to older Batman villains (Spellbinder and Inque are essentially expies of Scarecrow and Clayface in terms of themes).
This was so bad future BB stuff outright ignores this.
Only Timm sticks to it.
It's actually referenced in one of the later runs of Beyond comics. Can't remember the exact issue though.
Because that movie was just as much about Bruce as it was about Terry.
For Terry, it showed just how fundamentally different he is from Bruce, that Bruce's greatest foe can't cope with Terry when he stops trying to approach him the way Bruce would while also giving Terry a bit more respect for Bruce, after seeing the pinnacle of psychopath he had to deal with.
But the primary purpose of the film was to cover some important shit about Bruce. Like why he stopped working with partners, why his relationship with Barbara tanked, why we never see Tim or Dick around, why Bruce is alone, and why the rest of Bruce's big villains got some form of ending or another during the course of the DCAU, but not The Joker.
I also appreciated the scene where it was Terry vs Joker with lines like "Why? I thought you always wanted to make batman laugh" just to really nail that Terry is not Bruce and he isn't going to take Joker's shit. Joker wants everyone to laugh at his sick jokes, not him specifically.
>Miles has no unique villains
Miles is Spider-Man
Spider-Man has villains
therefore Spider-Man's villains are Miles' villains
Because Terry is white, and Miles is black.
Peter gets degraded to make Miles look better; nothing as respectful as Terry coming into his own under Bruce. Also because Miles is black.
I like Miles' (sex) rogues gallery
who even is Terry?
Are you moronic?
Bruce is like 99 years old, he's struggling just to stay alive, how the frick is he gonna be Batman?
Peter is here and eternally 25-30 or whatever since it's not a far future take, why the frick should be be quitting? And the implications are that Miles will just quit in 10 years too since that's apparently a Spider can handle, it's lame all around.
at least Miles isn't a clone
Miles wishes he was a clone
No but Miles had an evil clone of himself, who has two minions who are also evil Miles clones. Of and an alternate universe version of the fussy clone who took over new York..... somehow. They just kinda gloss over how it happened and why no one's doing anything about it.
God Empire of the Spider was such a shitty and moronic story
Terry isn't too though
Cause Miles' own clone saga is so lame even the one obvious joke comes from Peter Parker
I will say, I appreciate that they haven’t tried to make Miles the quipster Pete is.
Bendis certainly tried, he just had Miles constantly say his own jokes were bad
Ziglar just tries to have Miles speak like a zoomer and does a terrible job with it
Too bad you’re wrong they did just watch the movies.
> just watch the movies
No thank you.
Terry is Bruce's biological son
What wasn't revealed until years after the series had ended.
>Terry is such a clone that his movie was literally planned to be a Spider-verse clone
laying it a little thick there, wb...
>hey, this flu shot isn't going to, like, change my sperm into someone elses, like, for instance, Batman's, right? because I was planning to breed my wife tonight and I sure hope I don't get cucked without even knowing it, ha ha
What kind of advanced NTR fetish has Timm developed?
>because I was planning to breed my wife tonight
That alone makes him better than Spider-Verse Peter
nanomachines, my wife's son
That's not real and you can't make me think otherwise.
they had to write an alternate universe where Peter is dead to justify it. They could've just set it in the future.
Even then, Batman is a regular guy in a suit while Spiderman has a very particular mutation. Terry doesn't wear the same suit, he wears a much more advanced piece of equipment. They arent the same character while the spidermans are
>they had to-
the ultimate universe was a decade old before Miles first appeared.
You didn't think they killed ultimate spider-man for fun, do you?
Unfair comparision.
Should have been Miguel and Beyond or Miles and that new black Batman no one remembers.
Because Terry is handsome and Miles is ugly.
Miles is normally redundant, spiderverse is the only thing interesting with him in it.
Everyone here hates him because he’s black. Any other response is mental gymnastics.
I wish I were as close-minded as you are.
Nice projection, troglodyte.
Does it make you feel better to believe that I'm simply" projecting"? Your response proves my point, dumbfrick. You're too stupid and pathetic to have a real discussion. Now have a nice day.
Putting blacks in escapist entertainment just defeats the purpose
I like Miles, he made me realize /misc/ is right.
Bruce was still alive albiet old, so he passed it onto terry. Terry stole bruce's batsuit, bruce got pissed, decativates suit, terry explains 'muh dad was murdered', bruce relents, terry kills the hitman who did in his dad, bruce decides to take him under his wing
Peter had to die, then miles got bit by a genetically altered spider, but not the same one as pete's, then decided that he'll be spiderman now that he got spider powers.
I wish he leaned more into the electric powers she used then to mimic Spider-Man not to replace him, but wanted to work with him because he's a Spider-Man fanboy.
I don't remember Terry killing the guy. Doesn't he eventually become a super villain?
You're thinking of Blight. Anon means the black guy with one eye. The one who goes "You're pretty strong for some clown who thinks he's Batman."
bc the Black person kills the protag, and mcginis is a succesor
>everyone refers to Terry McGinnis as Batman
>no one calls Miles Molares Spider-Man
Really makes you think.
Yeah, but we call him batman beyond.
Miles is a Black person and people only pretend to like him for political reasons.
Because nobody ever tried to make Terry the "present" Batman, for all intents and purposes he is the "future" Batman. He takes over when Bruce is walking around with a cane and pops pills to keep his heart going, nobody is bothered by it because Bruce has become physically incapable of being Batman due to the slow and inevitable decay of age. It would be quite a different thing if Bruce was still a healthy man and Terry just sort of butting in needlessly.
And the idea of there being "another" radioactive spider despite the first one being a freak accident is just moronic.
Reading the original Spiderman 2099 run, I really appreciated how much they went out of their way to distinguish Miguel from Peter instead of just doing the same thing again but with a futuristic setting.
I like it when successors contrast the OG in some way instead of just aping them. changing their race or gender doesn't count
PAD's pitch for 2099 got excepted specifically because it was the only one that wasn't some variation of "Peter Parker in the future"
They used to care
>PAD's pitch for 2099 got excepted specifically because it was the only one that wasn't some variation of "Peter Parker in the future"
what was it?
Sorry I ESL'd for a moment then, I meant to say "accepted" but I was probably tired or something I dunno. His pitch is what we got, Miggy, Alchemax, rapture, all that good stuff
is that why they made him the villain in across
Yeah that’s the main reason I hate Miles, the writers have to shit on all other spidermen to rise him up. They make Ben a joke and Miguel a psycho and we all know what they did to Peter.
why the frick is he embarrassed that's badass
he just became high risk for teenage pregnancy
>And the idea of there being "another" radioactive spider despite the first one being a freak accident is just moronic.
So you admit you don't read comics?
I'm going to use people like you as currency after the collapse
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Mad widdwe babies with widdwe baby dicks.
Why are you bringing up dicks? Is this some type of BBC interracial fetish thing you have going on here?
who would pay for that?
OP is a baiting homosexual, and all these people fell for it. Shameful
Probably because they're they're different characters, with different personalities, different reasons for taking over the mantle, under different circumstances, and has a completely different meta reason leading to their existence as characters, and different modes of existing in relation to their predecessors and their media.
They don't like you.
Lefties and pedophilic culture, name a more iconic duo.
Righties and pedophilic practice
You dropped your babyspeak ERP, quarterback in a dress, what's up? Butthurt?
>Miles was introduced when Peter was dead and physically could not be Spider-Man anymore
You are aware that Peter was only killed off so Miles could be made the new Spider-Man
And Bruce was only made old so Terry could be Batman.
Bruce was made old because the creative team made 100 episodes of BTAS+TNAB which covered a huge part of Batman's career and progressed the timeline a lot, and ran out of stories to tell. Ultimate Peter was Spider-Man for a year before he was killed.
>Ultimate Peter was Spider-Man for a year before he was killed.
you know that was bullshit, time wise he was Spider-Man for less than a year but for all the crossovers and even the Ultimates 2 that had Spider-Man in it they said that more than 3 years passed.
In meta time it was 1 year but in continuity not really.
There were still tons of stories left to be told with him, in contrast Terry didn't even end the stories about Bruce, he helped explore ones that would've otherwise not been possible. Terry adds, Miles supplants (with something worse).
Peter was 17 and still in high school when he died. He was 15 at the beginning of USM. He was supposed to age up every hundred issues originally.
He was only 16 right? They made a big deal about that birthday and only that birthday
No you're right. For some reason I thought he aged twice. One whole year and some change as Spider-Man.
Because of the timeskips Miles unless I'm mistaken Miles was Spider-Man for longer than Peter ever was in the Ultimate Universe
Very different characters for one thing. Terry isn’t as smart as Bruce and fights like a brawler we see Terry struggle a lot he does need the suit to be Batman but he’s literally Batman by trial of fire, because of this he’s even different from the robins. Miles however has a literal instant touch win attack, is as smart as Peter with extra powers. Miles feels very unearned in his journey except for the movie I’ll admit they did a good job with that but in the comics oh man he sucks. It also dosen’t help that Miles has to be established as a new better SpiderMan shitting all over Peter Parker. Inverse Terry is compressed to how he can’t ever live up to the title but struggles to still be Batman. It’s pretty easy to see why people would like Terry more than Miles.
How does it feel earned in the movies? He still needs only two days to completely master being Spider-Man (after just one leap of faith) and he still solves every problem with venom blast, and can outrun and outsmart all the other Spider-Man in the Spider Society.
Look I have a lot of problems with the sequel, but the first movie as a stand alone I’m ok with. Was it a little rushed yeah but it was also a movie that followed the three act rule so I was ok with it. It ended with miles getting a knack for it and beating Kingpin I can live with that. What they should’ve done was make a second movie where he struggles with one villain the entire movie until the end beating them but barely. Than you make the third movie back to the spider verse and it would’ve been more understandable how he could fight off so many spidermen still stupid but at least more understandable and we would’ve had the buffer to see him stand on his own the the middle movie, too bad that nope instead we get the multiverse shit again. Did it visually look good he’s but the narrative is such fanfic level of writing ass.
What they should've done is not make the movies about Miles or Spider-Verse at all because both are cancer on the IP
Alternatively, do make a Spider-Verse movie but with Ultimate Peter instead of Miles.
Spider verse as a whole is stupid, regardless of who they focus on.
I agree, I just wouldn't mind it if we got a movie about just the two Peters interacting without any of the other variants.
Frick I'm a loser for catching on so quickly but you spammed this thread like 4-6 months ago with the same caption and image, pls stop OP. At this point long time posters already know why anons on Cinemaphile don't like Miles
He won't we're trapped here with the same morons who want to talk about the same topic over and over again
This image will never not be applicable in a Spider-Man related thread.
You'll notice that about a lot of threads. It is all the same bait. And if you manage to catch it you'll see this same bait is posted quite frequently.
Sometimes I think the Dead Internet Theory is true and that 90% of the people here are bots.
not only that, the Black person went onto Cinemaphile to ask the same fricking thing. homosexual gets off by riling people up: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/668225025
The sad thing isn't that some autist anon posts the same thing over and over again. The sad thing is that all these anons engage with it over and over again. No one here has any investment in any of this stuff. No one wants to actually talk about comics here. People want the same argument over and over again until the end of time.
Ugh this post again, don’t you ever get tired of repeating yourself?
The meta post about the meta post about the meta post
Terry is his own character, and was developed exceedingly well with his own stuff. Bruce didn't have to fricking die to give him the cowl, but retire due to age. Terry was origionally a fricking terrible idea that worked because good writing and planning.
Miles is a shitty retread of Peter with no real development or unique characteristics. Also had to literally kill a teenage Peter to make him happen. He's a fricking quota, not a character. At least Falcon got some development early on and pointed out how moronic being a quota was.
>Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris
>In Ultimate, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
>Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers
>Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb
>But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever
High caliber post. Well done, anon.
thanks to /tg/ and some anons form Cinemaphile there are still good anons here.
terry was a chad wrestler, miles is a mulatto niglett not even a good looking one.
Frick off and have a nice day OP.
And I mean that sincerely.
Why are Milesgays so insecure?
>but loves Batman Beyond
There are maybe ten very 'exuberant' to be kind Terry fans, similar just perhaps not as deranged as Damigay (or LopiBats), and certainly as persistent as the person(??) who makes the weekly Carol thread - this is like saying that one hundred people yelling for something means that the entire population of a place is in favor of one thing over another.
tl;dr In real and practical terms, it's meaningless
T. Your ass
Everyone loves batman beyond
Nobody gives a shit about miles
>Everyone loves batman beyond
>Nobody gives a shit about miles
Yes but not quite.
People artificially likes Miles, Terry is simply forced to become irrelevant because they like robins more
>People artificially likes Miles
Is this the cope you're gonna go with when Beyond The Spiderverse makes over half a billion dollars like ATS?
Post your favorite Miles storyline right now.
>the only relatively successful Miles project ever also has to feature every other Spider-Man ever to prop him up and crazy visuals and zoomer music etc to distract from how nothing of a character he is
>still makes less than TASM2
kek can't make this shit up
I'm not going to forget how many threads you guys made trying to convince everyone here that it would flop
I wanna say that Batman Beyond is loved because it's something that cannot be made today. Bruce gives up crime fighting because he turned into a boomer with a gun and hires Terry to be the errand boy. This all happens because Dick thinks Bruce is becoming too tough on crime while Barbara thinks Bruce doesn't want to stop being Batman. Tim has night terrors about being the Joker, so this street punk is the last thing Bruce has. Then in true boomer fashion Terry is Bruce's bastard son made by Cadmus complete with traumatizing Terry to become Batman. Bruce became the villain.
Miles Morales doesn't make sense because Disney made everybody Spiderman which dilutes the uniqueness of being a crime fighter. Miguel and Gwen are the Spider-Man, then there's Ben Reilly and Eddie Brock as Venom. By the time Miles is introduced there's like five or six. I argue people hate Miles for the same reason people hate Gohan in Dragonball, he's usurping the hero from the main character. The difference is that Goku sets high expectations for his son to be the hero of earth while he fights strong people in heaven just to gain ultimate power while Peter isn't stern enough to put that much pressure on Miles. Marvel always prided itself in having the adults represent adult issues so a teen comes off a left field. Then you realize Bendis made Miles cause he wants to stoke his ego.
>Then you realize Bendis made Miles cause he wants to stoke his ego.
Also his very obvious blacked fetish
That's exactly it. Miles took Spider-Man's title, Terry earned it.
>Terry earned it.
he was BORN in the title
"Born" into a title generally implies that the character is trained as a successor from an early age, with all the advantages that brings. Terry does have an innate advantage over other potentials thanks to Waller, but he wasn't groomed for the role from childhood. Neither he nor Bruce were aware of their relation. If he hadn't earned Bruce's approval, he wouldn't have taken up the mantle at all. I don't see it as all that different from Morales just so happening to have the same freak accident as Peter.
That was a latestage retcon to the character NO ONE liked. From the original appearance and series of Terry none of that was canon to the character and no one thinks it should even be held as canon now.
Batman Beyond isn't "The Original Batman", he's a "New Batman".
Whereas with Miles you get the strong sense that Marvel really wants him to be "Spiderman" with Peter Parker relegated to "a spiderman".
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Those are two different characters, not the same thing. You have the most superficial perspective fitting for politics, not artistic discussion
damn even guy is calling you a insincere /misc/ dumbass
Guy loves BLACKED and he's never been shy about it.
Finally got around watching Spider-Verse (well, I had in the background while emulating Chrono Trigger on my phone), it looks cool, no doubt about about, but fricking hell, the quippiness. All this cosmic and personal drama completely fricked up by out of place humor. Also meta shit. Multi-verse is stale as is, but doing canon bullshit is taking it to a whole new level.
And it feels like it would do better in the tv serial format.
Also stale b8, OP. Terry, even without Cadmus cuckery was a good passing the mantle and good a send-off for the original. While Peter had to fricking die to make way for Kilometres who took over Pete's life. And he is still going back and forth between "me wanna be spider-man, not black spider-man! Wait, no! me black spider-man!"
It's time for a new Spider-man. Ultimate should be where Spider-man gets killed off every once in a while. So, time for miles to die and have like an Asian or Northern European Spider-man for a change.
>for the exact same thing
>exact
>same
Take your stupidity elsewhere.
It's funny how the literal clone is less of a reskin than Miles
I know this is bait thread, but i'll bite.
Terry earned the mantle, he got it from old and frail Bruce Wayne that saw that even a trouble kid like Terry was trying to do the right thing despite his past mistakes and issues, every step of the way we see the character of Terry grows, he's not as smart as bruce or the best fighter, but he has hearth and desire for a better gotham for everybody.
So Miles isn't a bad Spider-Man either with the years he has earned his spider status as symbol for some people, but they way their story and how they got the mantle of hero is completly different.
In the end Terry isn't Bruce or the perfect Batman, but he's done enough to earn the name
>makes thread to ask a question he has already decided the answer to
>gets upset when the responses come to different conclusions
>does this every single week
Terry derangement syndrome
Miles is so fricking boring and unoriginal, with it taking him being surrounded by more interesting characters to pop (This is pretty much the only reason Spidervers Miles is good, with how he's a decent springboard for character interaction despite being pretty bland on his own), who was only made because Marvel feared that the estate of Peter's creator was going to try and get more money like Superman's did with DC.
Realistically how do you think Marvel will solve this miles/Peter shitshow?
At this point I'm sure there is a mandate to keep this situation frozen. Imo some higher up that pull this shit needs to retire/die before something can change.
The only caveat could be new ultimate spidey selling so much that they can't deny the truth.
On miles side, I think he is not goin anyware. He is established, I can't deny that, but a decade later I still dunno any of his villains or a good run/story arc
They never will because there is no situation that can occur that won't result in somehow making Miles a "lesser" Spider-Man which goes against what they and the movies have been shilling.
They're never gonna get rid of Peter, not in any real sense.
Their only options are to change Miles's name (never gonna happen), or ship him off to some other city (also never gonna happen), both of which signify him being "lesser" than Spider-Man since he either can't have the name or can't play in the main Marvel city
Terry:
>Lives in the future
>Bruce is retired due to old age (though was forced at times to come out of retirement to help Terry)
>Doesn't try to force Bruce out because Bruce isn't Batman for a long time
>Completely different origins that led him to become Batman
>Completely different character to Bruce
>Uses the Batman persona as a way to make amends for his share of bullshit
>His suit is a hi-tech marvel that allows him to fight with above olympic levels of strength and grants him serious durability along with a ton of cool stuff like cloaking, eavesdropping via fingers, an arsenal of batarangs and more
>Uses futuristic slang like shway
>Doesn't always save the villains, but later tries (especially Mr. Freeze the poor sod)
>Actually relatable
>Has his own unique rogue gallery with only a tiny portion of old Batman villains coming back
Miles:
>Carbon copy of Peter but made to be better and race-swapped
>Also was bitten by a spider
>Has astrakinesis for no reason
>His entire shtick is being Peter Parker but better
>Marvel tried to force him non-stop with various results in order to supplant Peter despite him being alive, active and not retired
>Even same fricking take as Peter when it comes to dialogue, but somehow worse
>Marvel keeps giving him new powerups and retreads old Spider-Man stories and stuff but with Miles
>Literally created as a replacement in case Marvel lost the rights to Peter Parker
>Created to pander to minorities
>Has to recycle Peter's rogue gallery
>The moment they put him in Earth 616 is the moment he ceased any rights to be a thing and the above arguments started to apply HARD
I've b***hed ad nauseum about Miles throughout these threads. I have always tried to be fair to the character despite not liking him. He's mishandled, and his race being used as a shield to deflect all criticism of him to the point makes it far worse. My black ass can’t say shit without 'internalized racism' BS being spouted from frickfaces who never gave a shit about Spider-Man until he was ‘ours’. Frick that.
A fledgling Terry besting Bruce in his prime would never happen. Nothing about Terry denigrates Bruce or the uniqueness and respect of the original. Nothing about Terry suggests that he has an innate right to be Batman, or that anyone can be and that Bruce is an easily replaceable Where’s Waldo in the multiverse.
Miles is handed everything. Since his intro to 616 he's been a greedy ingrate thinking the name should come to him because he deserves. That he has an innate right to the title and heroism and respect that Peter himself to this day does not have despite everything he's done for just about half his own life - and Miles still receives more unquestioning trust and respect than him.
He is never the butt of any jokes or ridicule, he is never the target of suspicion, he is never the undeserving outcast to the super hero community or the victim of a campaign against him or the target of ire of an ungrateful city. His loyalty and righteousness is never questioned. He has nothing but support even from his own family and friends, which is something Peter did not have for almost half a century.
He talks down to and condescends to a man nearly old enough to be his father, who has forgotten more than Miles will ever know about this life. They have Miles barely able to stand him when they work together and demand rights to the name, not title, that Peter created. He is portrayed as an equal or better despite there being no way in hell Miles should be able to keep up with Peter on his worst day.
I wonder, don't any black Miles fans feel patronized?
I'm Greek, and never in a million years would I want a character that's just "Spider-Man if he Greek", unless it was for a joke or satire or something. I'd totally prefer a completely unique spider-themed hero instead, with their own name, design, origin, and powers, separate from Peter's. Anything else would feel like sloppy seconds.
Miles is grievously mishandled. He is not allowed to be mistreated. He is not allowed to have flaws or shown in a bad light. His entire concept is upheld by people who think that instead of being inspired to the standards and deeds of those who came before you, those better than you, you should be just as deserving of the prestige they earned, despite not earning it yourself.
Those people who say Spider-Man can be anyone because it's about what he represents, when he doesn't represent anything that other heroes don't - humanity and goodness. Everything else he's known for is unique to him and only him - not even his clones or his children can say the same.
You’re supposed to be inspired and aspire to it the deeds that these characters accomplish, the arrogance to think you can replace it or have an innate right to the same status just because of a mask is disgustingly laughable, but that's what those idiots are.
I felt EXTREMELY patronized. Most don't remember the sheer song and dance routine that happened when Miles was first revealed. 'The first BLACK (and half latino) Spider-Man (And he MIGHT be gay)!"
How wonderful. But no one ever asked for it, no one ever wanted it, and it was never needed. I grew up with Spidey and Ultimate Spidey. I never needed to see him as my skin color and never needed that with any character, because I love this character because of who he is, not what. Though I think that should be obvious by this point.
Spider-Man is Spider-Man because of Peter Parker, and that can't be changed. His race can change, fine... No one b***hed about Spider-Man India because he was fundamentally Peter. The second you change the character and who beneath the mask to fit some race-puppetry BS, that's where you have a big problem. They advertised Miles because as a black Spider-Man like they were advertising Coke Zero. They don't like black heroes, and they sure as frick don't care about Spider-Man.
>the arrogance to think you can replace it or have an innate right to the same status just because of a mask is disgustingly laughable.
Another thing is that this ''point'' is especially dumb because with that you could say that about any superhero that wears a mask, not just spiderman. Otherwise we'd have a billion knockoffs of other heroes, and maybe there are, but it doesn't feel as blatant than with Spiderman and maybe a couple few others.
Pretty much everything you've said is correct. The entire Marvel universe has to act out of character for Miles to exist in his current form. Marvel civilians are buttholes, and are always willing to believe the worst when it comes to capes... except for Miles. They've never called Miles a fake or knockoff, hell there's only a handful of times when the VILLAINS have done that, the rest of the time everyone calls him Spider-Man without a hint of distrust or confusion between the two. Another guy just showed up and called himself Spider-Man and everyone was instantly ok with it.
Even Ben Reilly, the guy who was actually supposed to replace Peter, didn't get this much dicksucking. He got shit on all the time
Don't forget other heroes rolling out the red carpet for him. Fricking Luke Cage, who while having a respectful peerage with Peter, never put stock into the Spider-Man name because why would he, it's the name of his ally, not a title.
But he suddenly gives a shit about Spider-Man as a title and that he's now a 'person of color' as if it was a great loss that the guy he's known and fought beside for years was a white kid from Queens. And what a tragedy that is.
I can't fricking stand this shit man.
>Peter
Asked to join the Avengers, had to get background checks from other heroes and also complete a trial for them, and some of them were still uneasy about him. Peter butted heads with them
>Miles
Instantly let it no questions asked, instantly loved by all
I genuinely cannot think of a single hero that dislikes Miles other than maybe Deadpool (which will no doubt change when Ziglar forces Miles into upcoming his run somehow). Even the villains have been written to prefer Miles over Peter. It's insane
Kek of course the villains do, he doesn’t deliver the sheer emotional damage Peter does.
>He is never the butt of any jokes or ridicule, he is never the target of suspicion, he is never the undeserving outcast to the super hero community or the victim of a campaign against him or the target of ire of an ungrateful city
I think this is a general comic "shift" where by characters are no longer written in a decent way to be the outcast. I think it is in part due to the effect of the MCU and attempts at synergy.
In Spider-Man Homecoming we no longer got a perpetually shit on Spider-Man. It was much more levity and the big emotional moments never really felt big. And it took a few movies before we got the Uncle Ben moment, albeit with Aunt May in No Way Home.
In comics it feels like the same thing. It is all the MCU effect, levity and other things. The '10s books and all the other diverse characters like Ms Marvel or whoever all felt like they wanted to be like Spider-Man (younger hero, great power and great responsibility) while having none of the serious consequences of it.
Tom Holland's Spider-Man is Miles though, they just swapped out for Peter once Sony agreed to the IP sharing. He gets in to the feeder school thing via lottery. His best friend is Ganke (Ok, they call him Ned, but he's a lego-obsessed morbidly obese Korean-American. He's clearly Ganke). Holland's spiderman is younger than the avengers, immediatly accepted by them, is smart and good at science, but not a genius on par with Tony & Hank like Peter is.
Peter makes his suits, Miles gets them from Shield. Remind me how Holland's spider-man got his first real suit?
Batman Beyond was a good cartoon.
Miles Morales has been around for over adecade and all his initial comics were middling to awful. I gave them a fair shot and that was that.
If Miles first appearance had been Spiderverse I think it would have been different.
>If Miles first appearance had been Spiderverse I think it would have been different.
I think it would have been way worse, actually. Like, imagine a feature-length animated Spiderman movie being announced, you go to watch it expecting Spiderman, only to see Peter get killed in the beginning and slapped in the face with a colorswapped replacement for the rest of the movie. Miles existing beforehand and even getting shoved in the PS4 game softened the blow.
The movie fricking sucks anyway, but still.
>I think it would have been way worse, actually.
Anon, no one reads comics. For most people, that movie was their first experience of Miles and that movie was well received by general audiences. I think if that was Miles first experience then nothing much would have changed for them.
The OP said:
>Why does Cinemaphile
And Cinemaphile has obviously seen Miles talked about for a lot longer and seen the comics and has knowledge of Bendis. If the movie was everyone's first experience of Miles I think they may have been slightly more forgiving on Cinemaphile. But people here have seen that shit.
I like Miles, I like Terry. I can admit that Miles has flaws, but I still like him as a character.
The only thing I don’t like is Miles haters constantly talking about how much they hate miles as if he’s going to go away if they say that enough
Miles very existence seems to only ever try and forcibly push Peter out of the door so he can pretend he matters.
Terry has the exaggerated Schway of a cyberpunk teenager
It probably also helped that Batman, at least in this stage of his continuity, saw himself as a symbol rather than a person but has now got to actually face the idea of someone else becoming batman and putting his idea to the test if the batman is a true symbol of justice, or if he is the only that understands the philosophy. Terry isn't Bruce, but he understands the Batman even if he doesn't act the exact same way.
Peter doesn't see Spiderman that way, he is the friendly neighborhood spiderman. You can pick up stories where that isn't his mindset but by and large, he is acting upon Ben's words of great power and great responsibilities. He has this power, he can save the world. This is also getting into the fundamental differences between Spiderman and Batman which also shows where Terry succeeded and Miles failed.
bruce wayne got old. peter parker didn't.
for starters.
you want a black superhero? they already exist. they've existed for years, but you weren't paying attention because you don't actually fricking read comic books or watch older cartoons
How many times a month does someone make this fricking thread?
Well I'm Terry's case Bruce had long since given up being Batman and was an elderly man when Terry took over. Miles on the other hand in the original ultimate universe took over after Pete died, but then it turned out that Pete came back completely destroying the whole point of the story and then they decided to move Miles into the main universe a nd kept calling him spider-man because at the time marvel had this hardon for having multiple characters running around with the same codename. I don't hate Miles in particular, he just hasn't had any good stories and they krep giving him gimmick abilities to keep people buying.
Terry never "replaced" Bruce in anything except a spinoff cartoon. He had his own villains, own love interests, and an entirely unique version of the Gotham mythology. Beyond Bruce was also treated with respect.
Because Batman Beyond didn't interrupt Batman, it's a futuristic follow up that doesn't try to mog the original hero by gimping Prime Batman at every turn just to make his successor look better. Myles is Poochie with more corporate backing
Terry is his own character
>character from ultimate marvel universe, with heaps and heaps of "problematic" shit
you already fricked up
because Miles is a nice guy
why are you making the same fricking thread and getting the same fricking answer
stocks
All I'd ask for is this god damn crossover for real.
"Yes! We'll put Miles and Terry together!"
NO. Miguel and Terry you frick.
Wasn't the reason for all the Miles push was the Ditko estate was arguing the Spider-man rights or some shit?
Essentially, yeah.
>white and hispanic combo
Why don't I see this combo more often in media?
There was Honey Lemon and Isabella, both Disney characters.
>Latinas
Typical. But sentiment understood.
Afrolatinos is something they shill sometimes but often.
Teen Lantern, Lego movie Batgirl, Víctor Álvarez (Power Man number 2) and America Chavez, without counting the new Disney movies Asha and the Encanto mutts.
They're really allergic to brown and white Hispanics huh. It's their characters so they're free to do whatever they please but my main gripe with the people producing these typically advertise for being open and diverse but do nothing but blacks.
Brown hispanics gets shilled as well, in america the browner you're the better you're, opposite in mexico.
>opposite in mexico
Ironic considering there's more white looking Hispanics in the US than Mexico but each country always shows the opposite lol.
Yeah yeah we all saw the meme between Custer and Sitting Bull showing what being mexican is like
Are Afro Cubans allowed?
They should be.
I ask because I have two twin Afro Cubans in my story. I never see cuban in general in media and I think they're cool
I wish your story well, anon. Mind if I ask what's your story's premise? I'm also writing a story. With a white Hispanic character in mind, but it doesn't take place in a super hero setting, it's more like "battle shonen" as far as fights go, but the story is more about spies than anything.
Aren't people complaining at the moment because that's who they cast as Reed Richards?
This is news to me. I gave up on hope for a new Fantastic 4 happening anytime soon. I just googled it and while I like Pedro Pascal, his face makes for a weird Richard. More of a phenotype issue than ethnicity.
A better question you should be asking is why are so many people on Cinemaphile defending Spider-Boy by Dan Slott but frequently seethe about Miles
them "at least he isnt miles"-ing until another spiderguy comes in and they justify him/her/xem
Because as they say "Representation matters." Miles is black/latino, but I am not black nor am I latino. Bailey Briggs is white, and I am also white. Since Spider-Boy represents me, he's the one that matters to me.
youre very smart anon
As I'm told they say in the ghetto, don't hate the player hate the game.
He didn't steal anyone title, Spider-boy is an original
Un fricking believable. This board has adamantly hated Slott and his work for years, hates redundant legacies and spider people in general.......and suddenly Spider-Boy is okay? I've seen the threads, I know you're all just a bunch of shameless fetish fricks
Cinemaphile has lost all right to criticize, if it ever had it
Stay mad, the character is pretty neat.
Slott is absolutely still a homosexual but everyone, theoretically, has something where they aren't liable to frick up. The root of Slott's most famous problem is that Peter moving on in life made him feel old and insecure, Bailey being a little kid kinda sidesteps that so it's not surprising that it's the one thing where Slott doesn't frick up.
The possibility of /ss/ hadn't even crossed my mind until your post, but now that you mention it that's another pro for Bailey. Who would we pair him with? Typhoid Mary? Jessica Drew? No I have it. He should bang Ghost Spider. How perfect would that be?
>Ghost Spider
>Bailey being one of the strongest Spidey's bedwarmer
Pretty gay boss, but there's a lot of gays who like Bailey so no judgement. It could work
Honestly, slott is hit or miss. When he ducks up he fricks up but he is capable of writing good things. I honestly enjoyed the Suprior SpiderMan original run. It was fun and I knew it wasn’t going to last forever. Also look back and think idiots thought that was the worst thing that was gonna happen to Peter.
Disliking Slott, and there is a LOT of reasons to dislike him, doesn't mean that one can't see what he does right. I cannot stand his way of writing Spidey and the damage he's done to the mythos and characterization, but I will always admit he has good ideas. Spider-Boy is NOT one of them at all, but thus far his execution has been far better than Miles' existence, and Silk's origin and original execution.
I'm not a fan of Baily but I'm surprised that I don't hate him like I thought I would, because as far as ideas for characters go, his, muchlilke Silk and Miles, is fricking awful. "What if there was ANOTHER person this ENTIRE TIME who got bit by THE SAME/ANOTHER spider? Whoaaaa!" (If you'll remember, Miles in the Ultimate universe got bit before Peter died). All the same shit, and all awful ideas.
Refusing to admit or acknowledge positives is what forfeits the right to criticize.
cry more milesgay
I dislike both, you fricking hypocrite
No you don't, otherwise you'd be able to accept the reasons people like Bailey better than Miles morales, who will always be miles morales instead of Spider-Man
>Bailey didn't steal anything
Because he isn't trying to be Spider-Man, has a different gimmick, his own neat campy villains, and a compelling underdog situation as a homeless orphan.
unlike Miles who's just a tokenized Spider-Man
Spider-Boy is still a bit hit and miss but I kind of like him. being a spider monster thing is cool. I'm concerned about his cat mom. I like that he can talk to spiders and I hope his more spider monster clone turns out alright because he's cool too.
>Is adding to Peter's character rather than attempting to supplant him and awkwardly jockeying for his narrative role
>has his one supporting cast and unique circumstances/villains
>has to work for shit.
>Isn't literally just Better Peter.
Gee I wonder.
When Spider-Boy gets the artificial push that Miles has then I'll hate him. For now he's inoffensive at worst
>Why is a character, who runs around in a hypothetical future after Bruce Wayne gets too old to crime fight like he used to, more liked than a character whose around when Peter is still able and active?
It's because of the cyberpunk setting, obviously
They should make Miles gay.
Very nice, Miles defenders. Now....post his new suit from the Spider-Man 2 Playstation game.
It's astonishing how bad that looks.
It reeks of corporate influence.
gotta show Twitter that there's a Black person under that suit somehow.
>Buck Broken haircut
>Fricking sneakers because "How else do we show he's black?"
Please tell me this is a joke.
>Please tell me this is a joke.
It is, but not intentionally.
Spider-Boy 2 was the weakest comic. It was way too early for Bailey to go up against Task Master and helping Captain America. The part with Thor in 3 was less offensive since it was super spider related, but even then I hope they don't keep putting him in these scenarios this early.
>t was way too early for Bailey to go up against Task Master and helping Captain America
I agree, but it's campy and low stakes, yeah? I was getting Marvel Adventures vibes from it. Over there Peter's young and just starting out, but then he's teaming up with Wolverine to fight Sabretooth. And I think Bailey would get his ass almost killed against Taskmaster by himself, like Peter lost hard to Bullseye in MA.
I see why they did it though. Gotta throw in some big faces to draw attention while the ship is still leaving harbor.
Boy, this new black suit Spider-Man is Miles worse than the other one!
>Arya thinking “Who the frick is Spiders-Man?”
I think the movies and video game versions of Miles are good because they feel like a much more natural replacement.
In the movies, Peter trains Miles, and Peter just wants to start a family, so he'd rather be with his family than be a superhero now.
In the games, Peter is being pushed so hard to a breaking point that he can't be Spider-man no more, so now Miles has to be the new Spider man while Peter retires from all the shit he has to deal with.
I have not read the comics nor do I plan to because I don't care, but it seems anons are taking the name Spider-man so damn seriously when it's more like a Robin type thing where you have different Robins.
I can get wanting both to coexist and the idea that people want Miles more than Peter does seem like execs being stupid as to what people want. Do both. But I don't hate Miles either, I love him as a Robin type character figuring out his purpose in the world and being more of a smaller scale Spider-man to Harlem.
>when it's more like a Robin type thing where you have different Robins.
No it isn't, and it never has been that. That's the problem, trying to make Spider-Man into Robins or Flashes or Green Lantern Corps. Spider-Man is Peter. This is why people disliked the Clone Saga so much and didn't like Ben taking Peter's place despite them literally being the same people.
It took a full century of him being dead for Miguel to have any claim but he's always known as 2099, not Spider-Man outright save in his own time. Spider-Man is Spider-Man like Superman is Superman and Daredevil is Daredevil. We all know who the character is. Even if someone else comes to assume the name, we know who the character actually is. Anything else is disambiguation where you need to specify or have a qualifier or asterisk because they aren't the character either by nature or principle. Ie, Miles, Miguel, or Bruce Banner from Bullet Points.
>I have not read the comics nor do I plan to because I don't care
Yeah, and it really shows.
>Yeah, and it shows
I thought you thought the comics sucked, and video games and movies are different from the comics, so I don't think I would NEED to read the comics to have an opinion on a character who is portrayed slightly differently than in the movies and games.
So just don't turn Spider-man into Robins because it sucked in the clone saga? I get that, but wouldn't Miles not be so hated by you guys if he was just called Spider-guy or Bro or *God forbid, spider-homie?
Again I think the push to replace Peter is just execs being out of touch so I can get the artificial replacement, I just don't hate the idea of Miles because so far the movies do a good job with his upbringing as a guy pressured to be just as great as Peter when he decides to do his own thing in the end. I'd hope by the third movie he doesn't replace Peter, he just does his own thing while Peter does his.
Hard disagree with that take movies no, movie yes. First movie did do a good job showing Miles being different from Peter and having to try and live up to a mantle. Second movie however get that shit out of here they show Miles humiliate literally over a thousand peters and hit you over the head with he’s the chosen one of all spidermen ever he is the bestest best SpiderMan. Funniest thing of all was this was predicted by Tina Fey Years ago and people expect me to take this joke seriously.
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Didn't he frick up everything in the end?
Didn't he suffer the consequences of his actions by being stuck in the Prowlerverse?
Isn't the idea that Miguel isn't even a villain but a hero with a motivation that conflicts with Miles'? That's the conflict. I think it's more nuanced than Miles good Peter bad
From what I gathered, Miguel wanted to kill Miles. All because he was butthurt that Miles was "the one Spider with no tragedy".
I still find it laughable that THIS was the real Purpose of what Miguel was up to in the post credits scene on the first movie.
It's not nuanced at all. It's a bog standard fate and time travel plotline with some meta wording thrown in to sound smart.
100% Miles will be proven right in the next movie and will bullshit some way to save everyone and Miguel will have to apologize (assuming he doesn't just die)
>Funniest thing of all was this was predicted by Tina Fey Years ago and people expect me to take this joke seriously.
When/where?
See
>So just don't turn Spider-man into Robins because it sucked in the clone saga
No, the point is do not turn Spider-Man into Robin because Spider-Man is not Robin.He's not a sidekick playing second fiddle to the main hero with a history of being replaced and he has never been.
He's not a shared or passed down title. His name is not a title to hold like the night shift janitor. Spidey is half of his character's personality, rather than as a symbol with meaning by its originator, ie Batman.
As a name. Miguel and Spider-Man 2211 are exempt because they occur literally decades to centuries after the original is dead. And both of those are regarded as Spider-Man: 2099, or 2211, which sets them apart. NOT just Spider-Man as in THE Spider-Man, because that is synonymous with Peter.
No one remotely aware of the character is going to use any other name but him, whereas with Robins or anything else, there's a list of names to recall. It's the same with Batman - Dick may have been Batman for a time, but ask anyone and they'll specify that as Dickbats or Batman (Dick Grayson) because he's still not Batman. Same with Terry.
Spider-Man is not the Robins, or the Flash family, he isn't the Lantern Corps. It's not a mantle, and making him into one cheapens the character and dilutes the brand.
>I thought you thought the comics sucked
I never gave my opinion on any comics. Personally I liked the Clone Saga - I did not like Ben replacing Peter, but he's literally the only person it would remotely work for and even then, it doesn't despite him being a literal 1:1 clone.
I think Miles in the comics is very mishandled. If he did have a different name and wasn't so pushed, as well as entitled with thinking he deserves the name (in the comics), it would make things better.
The movies work to an extent because in Miles' world Peter is dead (because he'd have to be). The sequel still has the issue of diluting the character.
>when it's more like a Robin type thing where you have different Robins.
No it is not
Spider-Man doesn't need replacing homosexual, especially not by a copycat whose only storytelling virtue is that he checks the right diversity quota box, Peter should be able to have a family and be Spider-Man at the same time without needing to be forced into early retirement, similarly he shouldn't give up on being Spider-Man so easily after a couple of hardships only so the diversity quota can do what Peter always did i.e. persevere anyway
>captcha 0SJW
So you wouldn't be this up and arms if he was just called Spider-bro?
The vidya trying to force peter into letting miles take over being spider-man is fricking moronic and so are you if you thought it was anywhere remotely near well written.
I'll admit i've not read that many spiderman comics besides bits of ultimate and superior spiderman run and even I felt that moment with vidya peter admiting miles was better and should take over was awful and beyond moronic
>but it seems anons are taking the name Spider-man so damn seriously when it's more like a Robin type thing where you have different Robins.
Spider-Man isn't Robin though. There's no Batman finding people to be his side kick and calling them Spider-Man. He's been a singular individual for decades.,
Everything you posted is cringe Jesus fricking christ
I'm not reading all this shit but Miles in the comics is much different than Miles in the comics. In the comics he is literally just a race swapped Peter Parker except better in every way. It was really, really bad. You should also realize this was at a time when Marvel was being REALLY openly Woke and replacing lots of classic big name characters with blacks, women, gays, or black lesbians. This is when Ms Marvel went from pic related to a bull dyke and passed her mantel down to a little brown girl who said shit like "No punching down!" while fighting fricking Taliban.
Movies Miles is actually an alright character. Comics Miles is just the most famous, to normies like yourself because of the movies, of a really big scandal a few years ago. Some of which is still around.
Miles only really worked as Spider-Man in the Ultimate Universe. There was no real reason to nuke the Ultimate Universe and bring him to a universe where there is already a Spider-Man.
It should go without saying that in the 10+ years Miles has been around, he doesn't have a single original Villain to his name. I don't even know of any Miles comics where he fights a Significant Villain that isn't already someone else's.
Meanwhile Terry had his own unique villains in the 13 Episode First Season ALONE. They even went the extra mile in the show by barely showing or using any of Bruce's Villains throughout.
Terry was a thoughtout character, Miles was invented because the writer wanted to be P.C. I tried giving Miles a chance, but then that stupid woke Across the Spiderverse movie came out and he got claimed by the SJW's so there is no saving him now. Don't get me started on how they ruined Miguel O'Hara.
To be fair to Miles he does now have a handful of original villains. None of them are good, but they exist.
Off the top of my head
>Miles Morales 616/Ultimatum
>Selim (Miles's evil clone, dead)
>The Assessor (tortured Miles to give him some hardship in his life, is now dead and forgotten)
>Frost Pharaoh (Joke villain, only ever used as fodder)
>The Bumbler (Joke villain, only ever used as fodder)
>Rabble (Phin from the game but now even more moronic)
>Selim
Seriously now
Yes he’s played completely straight. They actually used him again in a fricking terrible multiverse story too
Jesus. That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
They were two steps from calling him Kilometers Immorales.
It would've been a better name, honestly.
>Miles Morales 616/Ultimatum
I still really, really want to know how the frick he ended up white and seemingly older despite supposedly having the same life until he would have gotten powers.
Like real talk with the Assessor, which was Miles only decent villain, dead I feel like insane bullshit with Ultimatum and like a Miles/Kingpin teamup story where they try really hard to not get along but can't help it as a crack-addled buddy comedy is the only interesting thing left to do with Miles.
Given that the ones you listed were either Joke Villains or Dead and Forgotten, my point still stands.
Miles doesn't have his own Big Villain. Terry had that in the First Two Part Episode of Beyond with Blight.
(Miles's evil clone, dead)
Jesus, thats lazy.
>Exact same thing
You know dude, the thing about pretending to be a homosexual moron, is that you just wind up looking like a moronic homosexual.
Terry is a better Spider Man than Miles is
I like both miles and terry
no one likes an idiort, Chad.
I never really liked both. Terry tried hard to be the next Bats but struggled to find his own identity (even in the movie, they've had to bring back the Joker and just dumbed him down to make MC win). The show was kinda boring and villains were weak, except maybe few good episodes and Inque
Meanwhile Miles is just a stupid Black person who did nothing to earn anything.
Here's the crucial difference between Terry and Miles
>turn Terry asian from his original white
>still a cool beloved original character
>turn Miles white from his original black
>everyone now wonders why does this character need to exist, especially his most fervent advocates
There is literally no further discussion or elaboration necessary, this sums up everything about the issue
>>turn Miles white from his original black
now wonders why does this character need to exist, especially his most fervent advocates
people like Bailey th
What an insult to Bailey to compare him to a nothing character like Miles
Because Terry is actually Bruce's son who isn't a little shit. Seriously frick Damien. Frickin waste of semen
Who's Damien supposed to be when he grows up? I know he wanted that Bat title but never earned it, and while the title would fit Dick more, he clearly doesn't want it.
Damian either winds up as Batman 666(something about selling his soul to the devil for reasons), 'reforming' the League of Shadows(frankly, there's not much difference between Ras or Talia's LOS and Damian's future version) or married to Nightstar, Dick and Starfire's daughter.
Damian's gimmick kinda hinges on the "Will he fail the cowl or do it justice" thing never ending, in mainline, he's supposed to oscilate between "the kids are alright" and "absolute little frickwad" every other arc he has focus in more or less, and most elseworlds of him have him suck at it aside from like, Injustice VS the MotU and DCeased.
Honest to fricking god, I think Jason if he and Bruce were allowed to ever get closure on that bullshit is the only one who wants the job and would do well at it. Which I feel is pretty telling since he's more or less an angstier Terry with guns. But that is flat out never fricking happening because the writers would have to A. actually let Bruce take off the cowl again and B. not have a series of BatSchizo episodes over the entire clusterfrick like they do every time Bruce not being Batman, the idea that his psychological problems are an actual detriment , or Jason being allowed to not be the bastard child who doesn't know any better or move on comes up.
As it is, Terry is basically the only guy who's allowed to have the former two things be talked about without the bulk of the Bat office throwing a tantrum and even he only gets that because Beyond was so fricking popular, as well as him only ever showing up for short periods of time and rare solo runs/elseworlds so they don't feel threatened.
Terry shouldn't be Bruce's son and I'm not sure why writers went in tht direction.
Damian was almost likable when he worked with Jon or Dick but has consistently been an butthole who destroys every team he works with.
Damian was a mistake.
Depends on the continuity. He was Bruce's Son in the animated continuity but not in the comics.
Because we wuz kangs and imma gonna do ma thang are animals that deserve to be deleted from earth, homies are really cool and I enjoy going to eat, to the gym or watch a movie with Black person bros but even they roll their eyes with shit like that.
It's not that Miles is black, it's that he's just not a very good character and has never been written as interesting or compelling. His one and only character trait is "Spider-Man but black" and that doesn't make him worth caring about.
So much so that it was revealed today that people didn't like the original ending of Across The Spider-Verse. It originally ended with the scene with Miles and his Bag, but test audiences hated it, so it was changed to that scene with Gwen instead.
>It originally ended with the scene with Miles and his Bag,
Whats on it
For real?
Is Dick Grayson dead in Batman Beyond? I never watched the series as a kid, but I have been looking forward to watch it
No in the cartoon he’s mentioned but never seen, in the comics you get to see him and he became Dick Fury agent of shield and helps train Terry but he hates Bruce for well a lot, but the final straw was when Bruce accidentally cost Nightwing his eye dodging a gunman but he was in front of Nightwing. Bruce’s cloak blocked the view and Nightwing got shot up bad.
That can't be real. A one eyed special Agent Fury in DC?
No it’s real I mean the shield part is a lie but he’s got one eye and looks like Nick fury so I can’t help but call him Dick Fury.
Grim. I'd be pissed at Bruce too.
>I'd be a dick towards Bruce too.
YOU HAD ONE JOB
AIIEEEEE
Jesus.
>Why does Cinemaphile hate Miles Morales for taking over the mantle of Spiderman but loves Batman Beyond for the exact same thing?
Same reason people liked Miguel Ohara for doing the same thing. Terry and Miguel carried on the mantle after the original was no longer there. Miles is trying to replace Peter DURING his tenure. And before you want to b***h and whine about Miles being black, this already happened with Ben and he was literally Peter's skin color so frick off.
It's kinda weird. Batman Beyond really didn't go out of its way to trash Bruce. In fact whenever Bruce gets serious you see flashes of Batman. Dude is a great mentor and is a steady hand in Terry's life. Only con in their relationship is the whole dna cucking shit, but that can be easily retconned.
Miles and his shit always goes the extra mile to show how shitty and irrelevant Peter Parker is. Especially in the second movie where there are thousands of Peter Parkers and all of them are worthless. Marvel in itself though treats Peter like garbage so it's easy for an OG fan to feel frustration and project it all onto Miles whom is the obvious character they intend to replace Peter with.
Yeah frick Miles.
A good example of how you could do Miles right is the movie Creed. That’s a passing of the tour h with a white mentor and a black kid with respect intact and Letting him be his own person without shitting on Rocky.
And doing a passing of the torch makes sense for Rocky since Stallone won't live forever so you need to establish a younger actor as the face of the franchise, doing this for an immortal fictional character makes zero fricking sense especially when he only kept being more and more popular with time after half a century.
Terry is more in line with Miguel O'Hara than Miles Morales.
I wouldn't say I _hate_ Miles, but yeah, it's an execution thing.
Miles is very much Peter's replacement, and replacing a dead Peter.
Terry is Bruce's protégé, with ample interaction with Bruce and plenty of moments for Bruce to keep on shining.
Frankly I'd love to see a mashup of the two "Ultimate Spider-Man" verses, where Miles is out there doing the physical shit, while Peter is living life as a dad for his kids (with some injury keeping him sidelined), offering advice, tech, and Oracle-style assistance via a communicator in Miles' suit.
Miles shouldn't steal that role from Mayday who predates him by a decade
Different concepts though. A big part of Mayday's story is that Peter is supportive while grinding his teeth because he absolutely does not want his daughter out there. And she's, y'know, a teenager.
What I'm talking about is a Peter that's still very much raising his kids and dealing with Father Life, providing help to a new generation of heroes as best as he can while juggling that alongside being a dad.
ENOUGH WITH THE PERIPOOP!
Making Miles a contemporary of Spider-Man was a mistake.
Batman Beyond was a kino continuation. Miles wasn't, simple as that.
I do like the original Spider-Man 2099 run though. It did the whole cyberpunk thing first.
Miles Morales is literally the Kyle Rayner of Marvel
>Replacement for a character gets shilled and wanked to be special after the original is gone or dead
But after they bringed his mentor or predecessor back they had no reason to be special anymore so tried to fill the emptyness of their characters with special powerups like "He can now manipulate elements with the strenght of mind" that doesn't stick or makes them more plot deviced power of the day than anything worthy of time.
Like Kyle going from Ion, to White Lantern to Omega to fill the void of Hal getting the life he was supposed to have.
In Miles case they have Peter telling him how he is a better Spider-man who matters for real and he gets a shit load of super powers of the day like electric constructs and some forgottable arcs like his own Clone Saga and a Multiverse Miles corps.
In Batman Beyond
>Bruce is old
>Terry is trained by Bruce
>Terry is confined almost exclusively to Batman Beyond
>Not a Black person
Meanwhile, Miles
>Is a Black person
>Forced into every spidey media for a decade
>Writers push Peter down to prop Miles up
Terry is asian
No he’s Irish thus the Mc in his name you idiot.
Why are those 2 black?
Why are YOU black?
What, your Cinemaphile thread didn’t work out?
link it
No? You can either
>go to Cinemaphile and search
>if that doesn’t work go to tbharchive and put in the OP on Cinemaphile‘s archive
Can’t believe I have to explain everything
Terry is essentially just a standalone robin wearing the batsuit that he cant quite fill out yet. essentially like a batman in training/in spe. closer to nightwing than batman. Miles exists for one reason only, pandering.
>Miles is just worse static shock, electricity powers may unironically be innate
>Being a black character doesn't matter, he's just a reboot Peter with no actual character depth
>Doesn't develop as a character, just gains more powers
>Same time setting, exists continuously with Spider-Man
>Used to constantly rehash plotlines that Spider-Man already had
>Just takes Spider-Man villains continuously, ignoring that these are mostly foils to a different character, so no character development happens
>Is starting to bleed into the adaptation cycle, contaminating the constant Spider-Man reboots with his shit lore even when it's just Peter being rebooted
>Is starting to get his own adaptation reboots, so him being a spotless Peter reboot just becomes more obvious every time
>Because of the adaptation reboots he is starting to exist almost immediately after the new reboot Spider-Man does, essentially overwriting Peter's existence in that story from that point onward because of the insistence on passing the torch, so Peter gets his overused origin story, a mentor story and then poofs
>Constantly ignores that there have always been a host of Spider oriented characters (alternate universes, future versions, clones, etc.) in favor of insisting on a passing of the torch deal, even after this character got exported from the Ultimate universe for the price of an ass cheeseburger
>Is Bendis' pet character, so is constantly forced in Bendis shit that just ruins everything
You've received the same answers for this hundreds of times. Why do you keep making this fricking thread?