Why do you think modern Western comics are failing (commercially and artistically)?
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Why do you think modern Western comics are failing (commercially and artistically)?
Why do you think modern Western comics are failing (commercially and artistically)?
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They're no longer cool.
What comics of the past do you consider cool?
Too expensive that's all
>That's all
Where manga tends to throw blindly at a dart board and hope it's a winning shot, Western comics dump a bucket of darts not realizing their the reason they won't stick.
>dump a bucket of darts
Anon, new manga is produced in much MUCH larger quantities than comics
For every One Piece, there are hundreds of manga that only last a few weeks at best
That is a strength that Manga has. When it comes to the big 2 they each make a universe (or more than one) and dump super heroes of various shapes and sizes into it. Manga can be anything, it's genres span al categories like books and movies.
Sure there are western graphic novels that do that but it seems super heroes and the funnies ate too much of the pie for them to take off. Well, that and the cost of manga to produce is lower thanks to them being in black and white meaning more people got their shot.
Besides being laser focused on heroes the other big reason I don't think comics will recover is because Japan is dominating the comics market outside of superheroes.
In the direct market?
Simple, it's the fricking direct market
Try explaining to a teenager what a pull list is
See if that seems convenient for them
What variety we have isn't entirely awful but it can be a lot better
It's ideal if you enjoy capeshit, science fiction, horror, and crime
It's a lot harder to find what you want if you're into anything else
Outside of it?
It's been fine even outside of Scholastic stuff
>artistically
Because unfortunately the people who buy comics the most are aging capeshitters
Getting rid of gays wouldn't magically make comics popular and mainstream
>commercially
They’re not failing in that regard considering mfs still buy the Spider-Mans and Batmans despite endlessly b***hing and moaning about them all the time. Hell, sales across the board have increased across the industry, and it ain’t just cause manga is selling a bit more in the US, either. While every whiny nerd hyper focuses on the “woke” comics and what not, the other stuff is selling just fine. X-Men has been selling like crazy since Hickman’s relaunch. Batman shit still sells. Spider-Man, despite all the bullshit, still sells. So long as Darth Vader comics keep coming out, Star Wars comics continue to sell. Comics across the board aren’t doing as badly in terms of sales as some like to claim.
Actually, we don't know anymore
Comichron hasn't gotten index numbers for proper estimates in over a year
>Too pricey
>Not as accessible - manga piracy aggregates abound.
>Not relevant - Comics effectively lapsed a generation, they were being read and bought by 80s kids, but most 90s kids grew up on cartoon adaptations instead of the comics themselves, and then many switched over to anime when that started getting popular with kids via shit like Toonami, so then that became the zeitgeist, everyone knows naruto, one piece, or attack on titan, my hero, etc. But most of the comic book characters outside of turbo names (Bat/Supe/Joker/Spidey/Doc Ock) aren't recognizable to that generation. People didn't really start learning who even fairly big characters were until the cinematic universes starting mainstreaming them. So a kid/teen has a reason to check out the eastern side but the western side isn't relevant. Who are they going to talk to about Nightwing? Or even about someone like Captain America if they aren't talking about specifically the MCU?
>Not self contained or continuous a huge portion of the time - Even when someone becomes interested in a comic series or character, they're confronted by the absolute clusterfrick of continuity. A kid can pick up X manga at chapter 1 and then read 2, 3, etc. all the way to the very end. If a kid decides they like batman where the frick do they start? There's old continuities that aren't relevant, new continuities with confusing start times, alternate universes that don't matter, stand alone mini series. It's even worse for some side characters, where you have to start reading someone else's series to get their introduction, then go read their own run, then find them in event mini series, then chase them back into their own second run, but hold on they also show up for an important chapter in Y character's run where vitally important shit happens you have to know about for the next chapter of that other run to make any sense... it's a fricking nightmare.
Don't forget, manga are generally written by one person, and so they tend to stay more consistent (though that varies from writer to writer and whether they don't know what they're doing). Comics get passed around like used up prostitutes to all sorts of writers. Its difficult to keep characters and stories consistent.
Read creator-owned
French comics are doing fine. Stop acting like US comics are the only comics that the west has. Fricking weeaboo.
>overpriced
>cheaply made
>zero care for the story, writing, art and characters
>zero marketing unless its some fanbaiting wokeshit being made for twitter likes
>Hiring political activist
>comic shops are basically dead so everyone over relies on digital or crowd funding
>most people not giving a shit about things outside of Marvel and DC unless it gets adapted like Scott Pilgrim, Kick-Ass, TWD, Invincible etc
And lastly they just aren't appealing to this generation, I go on these webcomics sites and just see mostly wannabe Japanese/Korean comics. The stuff I find that would resemble regular western comics is usually made by an actual boomer going for the 80s/90s style maybe even by a ex-Marvel/DC artist as well
Are you actually capable of accepting any answer that isn't culture wars related? Because if not then this is a bait thread and you should probably just have a nice day.
>post an issue from one of the best x-men comics of the 2000s
how about you post the iceman comic or something not completely moronic?
No fresh talent in the big 2. Everybody with any ability would rather work on their own projects and rightfully so.
appealing to people that aren't their fans, but hating their fans for not buying.
Teenage and Young Adult Americans don't buy American comics. American comics is supported exclusively by 50 year old Americans that still read comics or maybe using comic books as investment. You can add the LGBT, raceswap characters, reboot characters, reboot universe import Japanese and Mexican artists, American comic still fails because it's American youth isn't buying comics. The young Americans that still buy comics buy reprint of American comics from 1960s to 1990s or worse, english translated manga that will prop the Japanese comic industry even further.
Comics from other wesrern countries like UK France and Italy didn't really reach the same height as American comics during it's peak in the 1970s so their sales count and local popularity is relatively the same.
It's over.
I saw Quantumania in theaters because I had time to kill. Now, I had to go to a matinee and on a discount day to get this price, but my ticket was only like, seven dollars for 2 hours of entertainment.
Two issues of a current ongoing would be 8 to 10, and take all of ten minutes to read. Fifteen if I really savor them.
That math just doesn't work out in favor of comics.
Scale that up further and it gets even worse. Do I want to drop 30 bucks on a bunch of comics like I did when I was in college? Or do I want to buy Hi-Fi Rush?
>Complains about an almost decade old comic
The absolute state of shitposters goddamn