Because his mere existence makes Bruce Wayne look old, which is unacceptable for some reason. Also, to be fair, Dick is all too often a gigantic butthole in pretty much every continuity, so it's funny to watch both him and his alleged fanbase get knocked down a peg.
Yeah but a handful of people are still watching it. So yeah your question was still moronic dipshit
8 months ago
Anonymous
You autists take shit way too literally.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Listen bro you were like "no one watches the show" and then fricking changed your argument when someone told you some people like it. Your move dick inspector
EIDR tracks corporate media shit.
I pulled it up on a clean system. Link is safe, but doesn't show anything other than that WB paid someone money to claim that the clip exists, belongs to them, and is HQ season 5.
That doesn't mean season 5 is guaranteed to be made mind you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
How do you even tell when a link is weird or not? Sometimes I wish I wasnt so lazy so I could actually learn this shit myself, but Im too lazy to change so I won't
8 months ago
Anonymous
There was also a now-deleted tweet by a director that mentioned she just started working on the show. So, at the very least, it's entered into production. Always a chance for it to get Zaslav'd.
He's the "whiney white" archetype of the robins. Jason and Damian are the interesting edgelords and Tim is the gay. That leaves Dick as the one who can be bullied.
Harley became a hero but the mental baggage of being split between villain and hero made her develop sleepwalking and during her trance state she killed Nightwing
What's up with men jokes this season?
It's like characters can't go five minutes without going "ugh, men". It's not even funny since there are no jokes about it, it's women literally complaining at men just for existing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The joke in prior seasons was genuinely horrible, unconscionable people were getting uppity about various other groups as if they had any fricking room to talk. But at some point the irony was forgotten by the writers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's been like that every season.
At least there was some set up or irony in pasts seasons. This season has constantly been: >male character: *does anything* >Harley/Ivy: Men are the worst
Not even a witty remark, just bitterness.
>Nah, she’s a lesbian.
Well this lesbian sexually harassed a man constantly
8 months ago
Anonymous
This show is Rick and Morty only it's actually good. Why does Cinemaphile hate it so much?
You’re both wrong it’s somewhere between Rick and morty and venture bros quality wise with its best seasons being around the quality of the worst or more middling venture bros seasons (basically like season 1 season 5 maybe even season 2 level) and it’s worst seasons (this one and season 3) are slightly better than the average Rick and morty season
8 months ago
Anonymous
Venture Bros season 1 was a funny Johnny Quest parody. HQ never got anywhere near it
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah venture bros season one does clear Harley Quinn
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and it’s worst seasons are slightly better than the average Rick and morty season
Gonna play the devil's advocate and say at least R&M get me a laugh unlike the past two seasons of this
Caught up. Was hoping the season would have more Damian, pretty disappointed.
She did this, meanwhile Bane actually went and improved himself and learned how to make pasta.
Seriously though why did she do it and then blame it on the clone?
It was Barbara's trans roommate.
>was a fan of villain harley and looked up to her >excuses herself conveniently to party with the cold boys before Nightwing's body is discovered >extra strings wrapped around his wrist for some reason when his body was discovered in the tree compared to when he was knocked out in the snow
Although the last one might be an animation error, but I don't think the friendship bracelet had been drawn like that prior and it was emphasized too much for it to not be important visually.
Yeah but Harley makes Psycho pull her out of the memory before we see how Nightwing ended up sitting in the tree. He probably survived and someone else finishes it.
He wouldn't wear her stupid friendship bracelet so she strangled him with it. Also, Batman is out of the picture because Bruce Wayne went to jail for tax evasion last season and the Joker is the mayor of Gotham City after being elected due to his platform on Socialism.
The Joker is about the only funny character in this show, if I'm being honest. But that's like finding a tiny golden nugget in pig slop, it's somewhat worth it, but it's also kinda not worth it unless you really want to dig for it.
So what you’re saying is that their isn’t anything salvageable about the series in the slightest and it’s another example of Hollywood writers deserving to lose their homes as a response to the strike?
Propagandists who support a system of death, destruction and degeneracy do anon. Or at the very least shitty tv writers who can’t write a quality story to save their lives deserve to be treated with the contempt they show the franchises they work on
So what you’re saying is that their isn’t anything salvageable about the series in the slightest and it’s another example of Hollywood writers deserving to lose their homes as a response to the strike?
I love when western libs talk about "socialism" as its one form of perfect system, by their logic the US was Socialist for most of its history, most of the socialist countries they fetishisze(The Noridc nations) are liberal capitalists(like themselves) with decent public spending, that's it.
It's because Jim Gordon (who is now a rent-a-cop at the Legion of Doom) accidentally made an imperfect clone Harley when he was microwaving a potato and then hijinks ensued.
What I've seen of Young Justice made me come to the conclusion that it's Weisman's "keikaku villain" wank in its rawest and worst form.
Was this a correct perception?
It gets worse in the later seasons when he has both Vandal Savage and Darkseid doing the Keikaku thing against each other as well as against the superheroes.
It gets evened out in later seasons when Apokolips enters the fray and even the heroes start to play dirty. Though the amount of that is greatly exaggerated just because a bunch of episodes in a row ended with a keikaku tag.
This is why, some hacky writer got so fricking buttmad about Teen Titans and how Robin got with Starfire, likely some trooned out gaygo, so they are getting their revenge by murdering him.
Eh it’s one of those shows where each seasons gets exponentially worse than the last season 1 was pretty good season 2 was alright though a lot of its more annoying quality’s reared it’s ugly head ,season 3 started off awful and got better around the middle of the season through the end season 4s been a pile of shit and I think it’s main flaw is that each season tries to focus on more shit and it feels bipolar for instance
>season one, basically a Harley Quinn getting away from the joker story it gets a little convoluted once they have scarecrow kidnap poison ivy and shit but like it’s still all related to one thread >season two had that whole Gotham being split between 5 villains which they just dropped half way through also probably had the dumbest power creep with Harley somehow being getting powerful just because she was mad that kitechad was cucking her but it was still an entertaining ride and I did like that kite man was the one that ultimately left ivy >season 3 spent forever on the stupid frank getting kidnapped plotline and sidelined the secondary cast and had shit like that stupid two face plot that had literally zero purpose but the Batman mind stuff was decent and they at least had good reasoning for it >I can’t think of one good thing season 4s done the moon episode was alright but even that was just 20 minutes of “rich people suck” jokes and everything they do in this season is just fuvking it felt like they did that time travel shit to make some excuse for a serious plot
Eh yeah honestly the think that really ruins this season is the bat family shit like that shit hasn’t been entertaining since like the third episode of the season when they started having Harley sleepwalking and shit then it just got repetitive or had stuff like that episode where batgirls missing and they use it as an excuse to have Harley talk to a trans college student for a whole episode and killing nightwing was just really stupid
Nightwing may not actually be dead. Maybe it's a fakeout thing where he's just deep under cover as part of the investigation. Talia is there and Lazarus pits have been referenced a bunch of times, so if he is actually dead, maybe they'll bring him back that way.
Everything wrong with season 4 is as symptomp of the big cliff this show was inevitabily gonna dive off of.
You can see in seasons 1-2 that they wanted to actually have a nuanced display of Ivy and Harley's relationship and show how toxic it is and how two incredibly fricked and unwell people getting together for the sake of codependacy is not gonna help anyone.
But then realized they can't portray a lesbian realtionship with nuance and faults without getting killed in the street so for seasons 3 and 4 they have been constantly forcing Ivy and Harley into the perfect comfy couple without any faults and everyone else in the world doesn't matter.
The sad thing about this is that in Black Red White they had a story where Harley and Ivy got together in a healthier way and they kinda pulled it off there. So to see this show fail at it is kinda baffling.
Can you really say Nightwing is a comic book character people like when the truth is people like their idealized Nightwing that doesn't actually exist?
>Obsessed with you getting better taste.
Sounds kinda pathetic IMO
Maybe if more people had better taste then we would've got a Harley Quinn cartoon that actually show nips and vadge.
I'm blaming the whole community but I'm nothing the hypocrisy here. >oh no my favorite popular character is being written like some random jerk! >It didn't matter when it was happening to those lesser known characters but now it does!
The problems with Tim Drake started with Dan Didio and Dick Grayson, along with Jason Todd then Damian Wayne.
Didio wanted tom make Tim into his vision of the iconic Robin archetype. Teen Titans, dead parents, etc. This was all done with the expectation that Dick Grayson would be killed off in Infinite Crisis, so Tim could step up as Batman's heir apparent. But then Dick didn't die. Last minute change. The plans for Tim still played out the same. Bruce adopts Tim. Tim moves into Dick's old bedroom. Tim leads the Teen Titans. Tim is still destined to become Batman. Tim even starts calling himself Tim Wayne. With Dick off in New York this status quo could have worked... but then Grant Morrison came along.
The real problem was Morrison picking Dick Grayson to be the next Batman. DC spent over half a decade prepping Tim for that role and Morrison blueballed the entire character arc. To make it worse, Tim couldn't even wait it out as Robin, because Morrison wanted to use Damian. But because DC spent so much time destroying Tim's old life to make him more "iconic", Tim didn't have anything to fall back on.
The New 52 made it clear that DC really had no idea what to do with the character. Damian as Robin was a hit. Nightwing was as popular as ever. Jason Todd was alive and an anti-hero. Barbara was back as Batgirl. Tim Drake no longer had a role to fill in the Batman Family. And here we are a decade later and nobody still has any idea what to do with him.
Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story.
Tim's role to be the successor of Jason was dashed, but it was still to be the light to Jason's dark. With Jason alive, has to prove himself better. But Damian fricking Wayne came in. He stole Tim's role as Robin, thereby not even giving Tim a formal leave, or grand storyline, of exiting his Robin mantle that he made popular during his generation. Damian stole all of it, but I can forgive that Pre-New 52, as Tim was still a big player. But then New 52 came in, and retconned all of this shit, with Jason being goody with the Batfamily, and Damian being pushed hard. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Dick, Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Dick should have left Tim alone, and Jason/Damian should have at least kept one of them dead.
Hot take that I appreciate and the same issue keeps coming up for each member of the Batfamily. Eventually, their roles get subsumed by another up-and-comer.
She did this, meanwhile Bane actually went and improved himself and learned how to make pasta.
Seriously though why did she do it and then blame it on the clone?
Why do fanboys now whine about any little thing that happens to a character and claim it’s a sign of creatives/the company hating the character. Why are you such pathetic little pussies?
I don't really get it. I'm not a big fan of Batman in general so I'm probably missing a lot of context, but Nightwing looks like a very simple character concept. >Main hero's sidekick/protege grows up and becomes an independent hero in his own right
Why is it that every time I see something about this character he's treated as a joke or getting the short end of the stick? Is it just a running gag?
>Lacks a truly memorable rogues' gallery >No one cares about Bludhaven >His costume is just a black bodysuit and a domino mask
A superhero can't actually succeed in a vacuum. Everything around him needs to be good as well, but the only things of relevance to Nightwing that anyone gives a frick about are A) Batman and B) the Teen Titans.
Here's my theory.
Nightwing is strong and skilled, usually second to Batman. The show is hellbent on wanking Harley so he's an obvious target to show how superior she is.
If you have Harley kill Batman, you'd piss off a lot of people. Nightwing is a second best thing. That's why earlier in the season they established why Harley is a better fighter than the rest of Bat-family.
>why does a woke company like dc that shills for the democratic party and george soros hate a straight white make character
are you moronic?
the real question is why any self respecting white guy would still consume dc media
In all honesty, ever since Haley Quinn’s original VA died. It seems insulting for WB to keep renewing this slop. Sure she was likely fine with it, but the show as a whole leaves an awful pit in my stomach considering the original Batman animated series already gave Harley and Poison Ivy a good send-off with them being happy and escaping Joker. Every portrayal of Harley Quinn after that always felt wrong, the HBO Max show especially taking the cake.
Is this show another example of a of you guys fawning over a show because you think it's "quirky" and "different" only to then turn on it when you suddenly realize it's actually a mess?
I saw it happen with Ducktales
Nightwing is an interesting character with wasted potential. Batman is just an evil homie. He spends more time trying to destroy his own associates than help others.
Why can't Wing-Nuts just be happy for once.
For the first time ever Nightwing has a critically acclaimed solo book that hasn't been cancelled so the team can work on Batman.
Dick is starring in 4 books a month, plus a few additional guest appearances each month. That's the most concurrent titles since the DickBats days.
Who gives a shit about the Harley Quinn cartoon?
>For the first time ever Nightwing has a critically acclaimed solo book that hasn't been cancelled so the team can work on Batman.
Written by Tom "I hate millionaires for having too much money >:(" Taylor.
>"I hate millionaires for having too much money
As any sane person shoud, which Taylor isn't since his run could be summed by "Dick become a millionaire and solve evrything by having money and friends in high places."
Imagine being anti rich people and then taking arguments seriously on fricking Cinemaphile
How much gold do you have from your ragebait threads on reddit gay?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sir, I can't hear you with all these millionaire's wieners in your mouth.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Back to the welfare building Black. You dont wanna lose your place in line.
He never deserve one to begin with, all that "I guess keeping my exs as friends is my superpower" was just the glass breaking years ago, after that everyone began remembering years and years of him being an butthole.
Well Dick has been there alongside them since the golden age days so I can see that they'd like him, but the way Tom Taylor writes it they treat him as a muffin that needs to be loved and protected and its very cringe.
Because they're not made by people who like the characters, for people that like the characters. They're made by writers who have a bone to pick with their parents, for "fans" that are satisfied by jangling keys in front of their face.
I do feel like earlier seasons of this show were kind of in on the joke and all the psycho ramblings of harley were very clearly ironic because then she would go do some extremely heinous shit to undermine herself. Then sometime around season 3, the show got really obsessed with making harlivey work despite it's clear toxicity and putting hardly on her hero path. The problem is Harley and ivy are terrible in a serious relationship and their chemistry just feels forced. And the show has ironically had the worst redemption arc for one of the evilest Harley's, she pretty much got strong armed into being heroic by Barbara's nagging and it doesnt feel that natural since shes still doing a shit ton of evil. Compare this to her much more natural redemption in the BTAS verse where it's clearly shown that she really is a good sole that has had her mind warped by the joker, and just cant find the strength in herself to break free, while it doesnt excuse her actions it does make you feel for her. This harley is her own woman, and all this woman wants to do is kill bang and steal and doesnt really have a compelling reason to turn good. Poison ivy felt much more suited to a turn towards the good in this show, since her motivations were always consistent and she had been show to want to do a lot of good. The show even explicitly stated that she was at war with herself.
>The problem is Harley and ivy are terrible in a serious relationship and their chemistry just feels forced.
But sweaty being unreasonably obsessed with your partner and thinking its the end of the world without them is peak female sweaty not codependency
Honestly, a Good Ivy vs Evil Harley end game would be much better than where this whole story has gone for two seasons. Most of the fun waltzed right out of the show when they got together. The episode this season with their future daughter was straight up painful.
Because his mere existence makes Bruce Wayne look old, which is unacceptable for some reason. Also, to be fair, Dick is all too often a gigantic butthole in pretty much every continuity, so it's funny to watch both him and his alleged fanbase get knocked down a peg.
In any case, Lazarus Pit.
DC prefers Batman and Superman to be 35 forever with the timeline always being in Year 10.
Why haven't they gone with that solution, anyway? They think it counts as giving Batman superpowers?
They've officially said he has super powers a few times on official stat entries where his power is listed as "Super Genius" or some such.
Fobs
This is the last season and none of this really counts anyway because the universe constantly gets reset and rebooted.
Season 5 is in production.
Do people even watch this shit?
>thread of people discussing the show
>DO PEOPOW EVEN WATCH DIS SHOW DUUURRR
A handful of people doesn't make a successful show, frickwit.
Yeah but a handful of people are still watching it. So yeah your question was still moronic dipshit
You autists take shit way too literally.
Listen bro you were like "no one watches the show" and then fricking changed your argument when someone told you some people like it. Your move dick inspector
nope
https://ui.eidr.org/view/content?id=10.5240/5E19-3E87-CD1C-EBC7-451F-2
I am NOT clicking on a link that looks like that
I clicked on it. It's fine.
It looks long and intimidating I dont like it
EIDR tracks corporate media shit.
I pulled it up on a clean system. Link is safe, but doesn't show anything other than that WB paid someone money to claim that the clip exists, belongs to them, and is HQ season 5.
That doesn't mean season 5 is guaranteed to be made mind you.
How do you even tell when a link is weird or not? Sometimes I wish I wasnt so lazy so I could actually learn this shit myself, but Im too lazy to change so I won't
There was also a now-deleted tweet by a director that mentioned she just started working on the show. So, at the very least, it's entered into production. Always a chance for it to get Zaslav'd.
https://thedirect.com/article/harley-quinn-season-5-photo-director
He's the "whiney white" archetype of the robins. Jason and Damian are the interesting edgelords and Tim is the gay. That leaves Dick as the one who can be bullied.
Can I ask why this even happened? Not gonna watch the show to find out.
Harley became a hero but the mental baggage of being split between villain and hero made her develop sleepwalking and during her trance state she killed Nightwing
Why Nightwing?
Because he's a popular character that normies recognizes.
Because he was acting out of character and being a complete butthole to her, he basically goaded her into attacking him.
Atleast she didn't try to rape him.
She did harass him sexually on a constant basis
Harley hates all men, dude. She wants to kill them all.
Nah, she’s a lesbian.
That's Ivy, not Harley.
What's up with men jokes this season?
It's like characters can't go five minutes without going "ugh, men". It's not even funny since there are no jokes about it, it's women literally complaining at men just for existing.
The joke in prior seasons was genuinely horrible, unconscionable people were getting uppity about various other groups as if they had any fricking room to talk. But at some point the irony was forgotten by the writers.
At least there was some set up or irony in pasts seasons. This season has constantly been:
>male character: *does anything*
>Harley/Ivy: Men are the worst
Not even a witty remark, just bitterness.
It's been like that every season.
>Nah, she’s a lesbian.
Well this lesbian sexually harassed a man constantly
You’re both wrong it’s somewhere between Rick and morty and venture bros quality wise with its best seasons being around the quality of the worst or more middling venture bros seasons (basically like season 1 season 5 maybe even season 2 level) and it’s worst seasons (this one and season 3) are slightly better than the average Rick and morty season
Venture Bros season 1 was a funny Johnny Quest parody. HQ never got anywhere near it
Yeah venture bros season one does clear Harley Quinn
>and it’s worst seasons are slightly better than the average Rick and morty season
Gonna play the devil's advocate and say at least R&M get me a laugh unlike the past two seasons of this
She's bi and clearly has no issues with men generally in this show, unless something changed radically from the last time I watched this.
>Harley hates all men, dude. She wants to kill them all.
I really meant it when I said this season cranked up Harley's b***h factor to 11
I do not understand people who like Harley c**t Quinn
Ivy literally likes to see Harley frick guys
Everyone in this show is bi. Especially the leads.
Good
that we know of. She was all alone up in the mountain and rigor mortis is a thing.
And she's still the protagonist that we're supposed to like? I can't imagine this show is doing a spiral out of control thing like breaking bad.
Caught up. Was hoping the season would have more Damian, pretty disappointed.
It was Barbara's trans roommate.
>was a fan of villain harley and looked up to her
>excuses herself conveniently to party with the cold boys before Nightwing's body is discovered
>extra strings wrapped around his wrist for some reason when his body was discovered in the tree compared to when he was knocked out in the snow
Although the last one might be an animation error, but I don't think the friendship bracelet had been drawn like that prior and it was emphasized too much for it to not be important visually.
>Although the last one might be an animation error
Oh, it's her hoodie strings.
It can't be anyone other than Harley because she and Dr. Psycho went into her own memory and saw it.
Yeah but Harley makes Psycho pull her out of the memory before we see how Nightwing ended up sitting in the tree. He probably survived and someone else finishes it.
He wouldn't wear her stupid friendship bracelet so she strangled him with it. Also, Batman is out of the picture because Bruce Wayne went to jail for tax evasion last season and the Joker is the mayor of Gotham City after being elected due to his platform on Socialism.
I think I stroked out, could you parse that again.
The Joker is about the only funny character in this show, if I'm being honest. But that's like finding a tiny golden nugget in pig slop, it's somewhat worth it, but it's also kinda not worth it unless you really want to dig for it.
A lot of that has to do with having a really good voice actor who has a good take on the character.
So what you’re saying is that their isn’t anything salvageable about the series in the slightest and it’s another example of Hollywood writers deserving to lose their homes as a response to the strike?
>Hollywood writers deserving to lose their homes
no one deserves to be homeless
Yeah, it's more humane to just kill people.
>says person who has never killed anything other than his sperm
I killed a fruit fly the other day
Frick off. Not everyone deserves to succeed.
that doesn't mean they deserve to be homeless
They should’ve done a better job then.
no one deserves to be homeless
Propagandists who support a system of death, destruction and degeneracy do anon. Or at the very least shitty tv writers who can’t write a quality story to save their lives deserve to be treated with the contempt they show the franchises they work on
I love when western libs talk about "socialism" as its one form of perfect system, by their logic the US was Socialist for most of its history, most of the socialist countries they fetishisze(The Noridc nations) are liberal capitalists(like themselves) with decent public spending, that's it.
Is Chapo Trap House writing this show for extra cash?
I just realised that Velma and this crap are from the exact same idea box. Except for some reason one was considered more acceptable over the other.
It's because Jim Gordon (who is now a rent-a-cop at the Legion of Doom) accidentally made an imperfect clone Harley when he was microwaving a potato and then hijinks ensued.
Speed limits
genderism is okay against moids why dont you make a video about it and cry like a soi
this tbqh famm
>watch Young Justice
>90% of the show is the Main Characters getting their shit rocked
The fact this show got more than one Season astounds me.
What I've seen of Young Justice made me come to the conclusion that it's Weisman's "keikaku villain" wank in its rawest and worst form.
Was this a correct perception?
It gets worse in the later seasons when he has both Vandal Savage and Darkseid doing the Keikaku thing against each other as well as against the superheroes.
It gets evened out in later seasons when Apokolips enters the fray and even the heroes start to play dirty. Though the amount of that is greatly exaggerated just because a bunch of episodes in a row ended with a keikaku tag.
>Literally closes his eyes and leans back, exposing his neck
Is Nightwing jobbing a go-to thing now?
Hate? The guy has like a thousand super hot girlfriends the frick are you even talking about
Is just 1 death in one show frick off
This is why, some hacky writer got so fricking buttmad about Teen Titans and how Robin got with Starfire, likely some trooned out gaygo, so they are getting their revenge by murdering him.
Weird fanfic bro
This show is so good bros. It had better not be canceled.
When season 3 ended I didn't really care for season 4 to be produced. Now I think it's for the best for it to end.
Hating on S1-3 was unjustified. This season is really justified.
>Hating on S1-3 was unjustified.
This show is garbage. It was perfectly justified.
Eh it’s one of those shows where each seasons gets exponentially worse than the last season 1 was pretty good season 2 was alright though a lot of its more annoying quality’s reared it’s ugly head ,season 3 started off awful and got better around the middle of the season through the end season 4s been a pile of shit and I think it’s main flaw is that each season tries to focus on more shit and it feels bipolar for instance
>season one, basically a Harley Quinn getting away from the joker story it gets a little convoluted once they have scarecrow kidnap poison ivy and shit but like it’s still all related to one thread
>season two had that whole Gotham being split between 5 villains which they just dropped half way through also probably had the dumbest power creep with Harley somehow being getting powerful just because she was mad that kitechad was cucking her but it was still an entertaining ride and I did like that kite man was the one that ultimately left ivy
>season 3 spent forever on the stupid frank getting kidnapped plotline and sidelined the secondary cast and had shit like that stupid two face plot that had literally zero purpose but the Batman mind stuff was decent and they at least had good reasoning for it
>I can’t think of one good thing season 4s done the moon episode was alright but even that was just 20 minutes of “rich people suck” jokes and everything they do in this season is just fuvking it felt like they did that time travel shit to make some excuse for a serious plot
Some of the side characters in S4 (Snowflame, Steppenwolf, Tefe, etc.) were fun. It's nice to see lesser used characters.
Eh yeah honestly the think that really ruins this season is the bat family shit like that shit hasn’t been entertaining since like the third episode of the season when they started having Harley sleepwalking and shit then it just got repetitive or had stuff like that episode where batgirls missing and they use it as an excuse to have Harley talk to a trans college student for a whole episode and killing nightwing was just really stupid
Nightwing may not actually be dead. Maybe it's a fakeout thing where he's just deep under cover as part of the investigation. Talia is there and Lazarus pits have been referenced a bunch of times, so if he is actually dead, maybe they'll bring him back that way.
Everything wrong with season 4 is as symptomp of the big cliff this show was inevitabily gonna dive off of.
You can see in seasons 1-2 that they wanted to actually have a nuanced display of Ivy and Harley's relationship and show how toxic it is and how two incredibly fricked and unwell people getting together for the sake of codependacy is not gonna help anyone.
But then realized they can't portray a lesbian realtionship with nuance and faults without getting killed in the street so for seasons 3 and 4 they have been constantly forcing Ivy and Harley into the perfect comfy couple without any faults and everyone else in the world doesn't matter.
The sad thing about this is that in Black Red White they had a story where Harley and Ivy got together in a healthier way and they kinda pulled it off there. So to see this show fail at it is kinda baffling.
This is the last season. There was supposed to be a Kiteman spinoff but that might not happen now due to all of the budget cuts at WB.
This show is Rick and Morty only it's actually good. Why does Cinemaphile hate it so much?
You're off-base. It's Venture Bros but it's bad.
Kiteman was right about Ivy.
Why have they sidelined my boy Clayface? And King Shark for that matter? It's all boring Harley and Ivy shit now.
This. They were the most fun characters but now they are ignored and Harlivy don't even see them as friends anymore.
I stopped liking the show as much when Dr. Psycho betrayed Harley
Bane is still my favorite I don't care if he's Flanderized as hell.
The pasta making scene was oddly wholesome.
The Tom Hardy Voice impression carries his entire character.
I just want him to be happy and maybe settle down with a nice Italian girl who appreciates his newly-acquired culinary skills.
God hes so fricking cute
My they/them WIFE!
I don't know if it's voiced by a woman (male) or man (female) but I'd still frick Tefe.
I miss when this show was a DC version of Venture Bros.
He's an adult Robin they can beat up without looking bad.
Because he's overrated character who deseves to be shit on just to spite his fanbase because honestly frick those guys are annoying.
Obsessed
Obsessed with you getting better taste.
Nightwing is a character people only like because of their fanfiction.
>what's that? that comic book character has a lot of fans? well I better seethe and poop my pants
That's you homie.
Can you really say Nightwing is a comic book character people like when the truth is people like their idealized Nightwing that doesn't actually exist?
Maybe if more people had better taste then we would've got a Harley Quinn cartoon that actually show nips and vadge.
Are you blaming the fans for the show being crap?
Yes
I'm blaming the whole community but I'm nothing the hypocrisy here.
>oh no my favorite popular character is being written like some random jerk!
>It didn't matter when it was happening to those lesser known characters but now it does!
>Obsessed with you getting better taste.
Sounds kinda pathetic IMO
Talking about Kwing?
DC? isn't WB?
I thought joker was implying he brainwashed Harley enough in the past to make her kill nightwing and that’s why he was claiming the kill
I still think Talia has something to do with it. They never answered why Nightwing was up in that tree and why was his tracker in the Legion of Doom.
He's boring and overrated. Tim is the best Robin and Jason is the hottest batboy.
People forget the times when having a big butt made you the butt of the jokes. It wasn't cool or hot. It made women think you were a big homo.
The problems with Tim Drake started with Dan Didio and Dick Grayson, along with Jason Todd then Damian Wayne.
Didio wanted tom make Tim into his vision of the iconic Robin archetype. Teen Titans, dead parents, etc. This was all done with the expectation that Dick Grayson would be killed off in Infinite Crisis, so Tim could step up as Batman's heir apparent. But then Dick didn't die. Last minute change. The plans for Tim still played out the same. Bruce adopts Tim. Tim moves into Dick's old bedroom. Tim leads the Teen Titans. Tim is still destined to become Batman. Tim even starts calling himself Tim Wayne. With Dick off in New York this status quo could have worked... but then Grant Morrison came along.
The real problem was Morrison picking Dick Grayson to be the next Batman. DC spent over half a decade prepping Tim for that role and Morrison blueballed the entire character arc. To make it worse, Tim couldn't even wait it out as Robin, because Morrison wanted to use Damian. But because DC spent so much time destroying Tim's old life to make him more "iconic", Tim didn't have anything to fall back on.
The New 52 made it clear that DC really had no idea what to do with the character. Damian as Robin was a hit. Nightwing was as popular as ever. Jason Todd was alive and an anti-hero. Barbara was back as Batgirl. Tim Drake no longer had a role to fill in the Batman Family. And here we are a decade later and nobody still has any idea what to do with him.
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Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story.
Tim's role to be the successor of Jason was dashed, but it was still to be the light to Jason's dark. With Jason alive, has to prove himself better. But Damian fricking Wayne came in. He stole Tim's role as Robin, thereby not even giving Tim a formal leave, or grand storyline, of exiting his Robin mantle that he made popular during his generation. Damian stole all of it, but I can forgive that Pre-New 52, as Tim was still a big player. But then New 52 came in, and retconned all of this shit, with Jason being goody with the Batfamily, and Damian being pushed hard. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Dick, Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Dick should have left Tim alone, and Jason/Damian should have at least kept one of them dead.
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didn’t read this the last time you posted it and won’t read it now.
Hot take that I appreciate and the same issue keeps coming up for each member of the Batfamily. Eventually, their roles get subsumed by another up-and-comer.
Tim finally has found his niche as the queer male Bat family member.
>DC hates Dick
>Hates Jason
>Hates Tim
>Hates Cassandra
>Hates Bruce
Who does it love?
>Who does it love?
Harley
Damian and
She did this, meanwhile Bane actually went and improved himself and learned how to make pasta.
Seriously though why did she do it and then blame it on the clone?
So he wont overshadow boring Batman.
Why do fanboys now whine about any little thing that happens to a character and claim it’s a sign of creatives/the company hating the character. Why are you such pathetic little pussies?
I don't really get it. I'm not a big fan of Batman in general so I'm probably missing a lot of context, but Nightwing looks like a very simple character concept.
>Main hero's sidekick/protege grows up and becomes an independent hero in his own right
Why is it that every time I see something about this character he's treated as a joke or getting the short end of the stick? Is it just a running gag?
Because white men having a history to be proud of is wrong and bad.
>Lacks a truly memorable rogues' gallery
>No one cares about Bludhaven
>His costume is just a black bodysuit and a domino mask
A superhero can't actually succeed in a vacuum. Everything around him needs to be good as well, but the only things of relevance to Nightwing that anyone gives a frick about are A) Batman and B) the Teen Titans.
We cared about Spyral, then Didio let Bendis sacrifice it for his Leviathan book..
If Grayson got a movie or show, then people would maybe care. Getting relegated to comics only just has the nerds caring about.
>Why does DC hate Nightwing so much?
its the Harley show a poorly disguised vehicle for leftist "humor" and lesbians, they hate everything about comics
It was a proper parody at first but it devolved into the latter after the second season ended.
>It was a proper parody at first
Lmao, it never was. It was always burger leftist bullshit.
>muh sexism
>muh glass ceiling
But at least it had some relation to DC and in-universe jokes.
Now it's just all the weak stuff but worse.
No, it was supposed to be the DC equivalent of Superior Foes but the writers went full moron. It’s a shame really.
Here's my theory.
Nightwing is strong and skilled, usually second to Batman. The show is hellbent on wanking Harley so he's an obvious target to show how superior she is.
If you have Harley kill Batman, you'd piss off a lot of people. Nightwing is a second best thing. That's why earlier in the season they established why Harley is a better fighter than the rest of Bat-family.
He’s too sexy
>why does a woke company like dc that shills for the democratic party and george soros hate a straight white make character
are you moronic?
the real question is why any self respecting white guy would still consume dc media
Anyone got any good Harley/Dick fics? I'm feeling frisky and there's no official stuff.
In all honesty, ever since Haley Quinn’s original VA died. It seems insulting for WB to keep renewing this slop. Sure she was likely fine with it, but the show as a whole leaves an awful pit in my stomach considering the original Batman animated series already gave Harley and Poison Ivy a good send-off with them being happy and escaping Joker. Every portrayal of Harley Quinn after that always felt wrong, the HBO Max show especially taking the cake.
Is this show another example of a of you guys fawning over a show because you think it's "quirky" and "different" only to then turn on it when you suddenly realize it's actually a mess?
I saw it happen with Ducktales
People on Cinemaphile hated this show from day 1. But the show itself had zero purpose after season 2.
It's Harley.
There is legit nothing of value the show has to offer.
Nightwing is an interesting character with wasted potential. Batman is just an evil homie. He spends more time trying to destroy his own associates than help others.
That’s just the comics, dude. Nobody reads that crap. The movies and the games are what matters for Batman.
>No one posted it yet
Why can't Wing-Nuts just be happy for once.
For the first time ever Nightwing has a critically acclaimed solo book that hasn't been cancelled so the team can work on Batman.
Dick is starring in 4 books a month, plus a few additional guest appearances each month. That's the most concurrent titles since the DickBats days.
Who gives a shit about the Harley Quinn cartoon?
>For the first time ever Nightwing has a critically acclaimed solo book that hasn't been cancelled so the team can work on Batman.
Written by Tom "I hate millionaires for having too much money >:(" Taylor.
>Best Continuing Series
>That first panel
Lmao.Too bad 3d can't help him draw expressions.
>"I hate millionaires for having too much money
As any sane person shoud, which Taylor isn't since his run could be summed by "Dick become a millionaire and solve evrything by having money and friends in high places."
I accept your concession.
Imagine being anti rich people and then taking arguments seriously on fricking Cinemaphile
How much gold do you have from your ragebait threads on reddit gay?
Sir, I can't hear you with all these millionaire's wieners in your mouth.
Back to the welfare building Black. You dont wanna lose your place in line.
He is white man
I am tired TIRED
FRICKING EXHAUSTED FROM SEEING HARLEY c**t
He never deserve one to begin with, all that "I guess keeping my exs as friends is my superpower" was just the glass breaking years ago, after that everyone began remembering years and years of him being an butthole.
Dick is a shit leader and it's fricking silly DC push the idea that everyone in the fricking superhero community loves Dick Grayson.
Well Dick has been there alongside them since the golden age days so I can see that they'd like him, but the way Tom Taylor writes it they treat him as a muffin that needs to be loved and protected and its very cringe.
They do this because they realize he can easily overshadow Batman.
He was ALWAYS an butthole that you should have hated from the start anon.
He's a b***h
Be honest Cinemaphile, who gives a frick about Nightwing?
Lots of people?
I do because I'm bored of Batman, but I hate how the Teen Titans and the Batfam are tied to him.
People that live in Blüdhaven?
I do, he's DC's biggest sex symbol.
Remember the comic where Batman tried to stop Lex and got his legs crippled? Good times.
Why are there no good cartoons right now?
Because they're not made by people who like the characters, for people that like the characters. They're made by writers who have a bone to pick with their parents, for "fans" that are satisfied by jangling keys in front of their face.
Why haven't we risen up and demanded better from our capeshit?
capeshit is a beyond dead and overplayed genre like isekai. and with premade characters used over and over, it's even shittier.
He's not as big of a cuck as Batman, so I guess DC hates Batman more.
I love how zantanna's schtick with saying shit backwards is still a thing even in 2023
it's a good gimmick
Why was Comicsgate about demanding less tokenism in comics instead of demanding better writing?
Because any internet -gate thing isn't really about the quality or moral fabric of the medium it's just about hating minorities and women.
Even Elsagate?
That one wasn't about a general medium, it was about a specific type of video. It wasn't like it was YouTubegate or something.
Those are the same thing.
I do feel like earlier seasons of this show were kind of in on the joke and all the psycho ramblings of harley were very clearly ironic because then she would go do some extremely heinous shit to undermine herself. Then sometime around season 3, the show got really obsessed with making harlivey work despite it's clear toxicity and putting hardly on her hero path. The problem is Harley and ivy are terrible in a serious relationship and their chemistry just feels forced. And the show has ironically had the worst redemption arc for one of the evilest Harley's, she pretty much got strong armed into being heroic by Barbara's nagging and it doesnt feel that natural since shes still doing a shit ton of evil. Compare this to her much more natural redemption in the BTAS verse where it's clearly shown that she really is a good sole that has had her mind warped by the joker, and just cant find the strength in herself to break free, while it doesnt excuse her actions it does make you feel for her. This harley is her own woman, and all this woman wants to do is kill bang and steal and doesnt really have a compelling reason to turn good. Poison ivy felt much more suited to a turn towards the good in this show, since her motivations were always consistent and she had been show to want to do a lot of good. The show even explicitly stated that she was at war with herself.
homosexual why you didnt let that thread die
>The problem is Harley and ivy are terrible in a serious relationship and their chemistry just feels forced.
But sweaty being unreasonably obsessed with your partner and thinking its the end of the world without them is peak female sweaty not codependency
Honestly, a Good Ivy vs Evil Harley end game would be much better than where this whole story has gone for two seasons. Most of the fun waltzed right out of the show when they got together. The episode this season with their future daughter was straight up painful.