It fits in a certain way
UC->AG->FC->AC->AW->PD->CE->(Dark History/SD/GGen/MS Saga)->CC->RC >UC (we all know how that goes >AG (Mars Zeon remnants advance their tech too much and shit happens) >FC (Colonies are richer than Earth by this point and the tournaments are payback for the past treatment) >AC (Colonists plan Operation Meteor to disarm Earth and take it once and for all) >AW (Earth Federation makes it's last stand and the 7th space war happens) >PD (after the 8th space war someone decided that AI and Mobile Armors were the future and then The Feddies/Gallarhorn continued the Belphegor line with Goetia inspired Gundams >CE (years passed and tech regressed hard, now MSs are resurging and the bloody valentine happens Jumpstarting the dark history) >CC (500 years pass after the dark history and people just refer to the past as the UC altogether, shit happens and the turn AX cocoon gets sent to Venus) >RC (500 years pass and now the venusians think they're hot shit and try to take over Earth by acting like jovians) >And the cycle of war continues
The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview, so who fricking knows.
It happened in the Dark History period.
Sorry, but it's more likely that Anno Domini is the prequel to UC, with its comparatively primitive tech designs (The more edgy aesthetic speaks of suits being derived from today's stealth military aircraft), and DG cells possibly being reverse-engineered from ELS nanobots. GN drives can be seen as larger, more inefficient predecessors of Minovsky drives, and Innovators are the original Newtypes
I don't think GN drives are larger than Minovsky drives, even putting aside that there's nothing to say they're less efficient. GN drives are also baryonic generators, which presumably operate on a smaller scale than nanomachines; with baryons being subatomic particles that are generally in the 10 to power of -27 range, while nanomachines are usually around about 10 to the power of -9.
Also as the term comes from the Latin phrase "Anno Domini" which means "the year of our lord", which is what we used before switching to "common era",
The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically. It's just translated as that for Western audiences, because that is the calendar used in the West.
No, I'm just not contesting it because while I don't think that makes them look more primitive than UC designs, I also don't think it's untrue that they're more evocative of modern military aircraft. The point that GN drives don't seem more primitive than Minovsky drives etc. stands regardless of whether I agree with that one part or not though. I also didn't mention Newtypes relative to Innovators. Which is, again, because "Innovators are the original Newtypes" isn't a statement I feel has anything in it worth disagreeing over. The two are similar enough it's a reasonable conclusion, even if I don't think it's a very good tie; that's mostly just because I don't think the timeline needs to be tied together that way, rather than that those ties are unreasonable in and of themselves though.
No, I'm just not contesting it because while I don't think that makes them look more primitive than UC designs, I also don't think it's untrue that they're more evocative of modern military aircraft. The point that GN drives don't seem more primitive than Minovsky drives etc. stands regardless of whether I agree with that one part or not though. I also didn't mention Newtypes relative to Innovators. Which is, again, because "Innovators are the original Newtypes" isn't a statement I feel has anything in it worth disagreeing over. The two are similar enough it's a reasonable conclusion, even if I don't think it's a very good tie; that's mostly just because I don't think the timeline needs to be tied together that way, rather than that those ties are unreasonable in and of themselves though.
GN drives are definitely larger than Minovsky fusion reactors, since the latter fit neatly in the torso of mobile suits and the former almost always is arranged sticking out at least partially (and isn't far off the torso in size on top of that).
The idea that they're 'less efficient' is laughable though, since a GN drive can produce power indefinitely with no fuel supply and the moment-to-moment output of even a single drive is sufficient for all the kinds of other nonsense GN drive suits are seen packing, on top of providing Minovsky craft style free floating flight and supplying particles for the thrusters rather than needing separate propellant. GN drives are the single best power plant in the Gundam franchise, with the possible exeption of the engines on the Turns.
The actual "core" of a GN Drive is pretty small, and the cone structure is just a housing for it.
IIRC the Gundams operate kind of like a hybrid car - the GN Drive produces a slow trickle of particles that charges the suit's GN Condensers over time, with larger Condensers allowing for greater burst power. There are also mobile suits which just have Condensers, and have to be connected to a GN Drive back at base to charge them up.
So I assume the cone has Condensers in it, and they moved away from the design as they got better at miniaturising them?
Sorry, but it's more likely that Anno Domini is the prequel to UC, with its comparatively primitive tech designs (The more edgy aesthetic speaks of suits being derived from today's stealth military aircraft), and DG cells possibly being reverse-engineered from ELS nanobots. GN drives can be seen as larger, more inefficient predecessors of Minovsky drives, and Innovators are the original Newtypes
) mentions "Minovsky dries" rather than "Minovsky fusion" engines/reactors, which I assume means the V2's Minovsky drive reactor specifically. Which isn't just something that can be fit cleanly into the torso of a mobile suit and has two huge vanes sticking out the back of the unit that make it larger than a GN drive. Of course, miniaturization is a thing and they could probably be made smaller over time. However, the same is true of GN drives and the 00's two drives seem barely bigger than the shoulder of the unit never mind the torso, while the Sakibure's in the movie's epilogue have a single GN drive that's pretty small yet is capable of quantization; meaning they got more efficient/powerful while still being of roughly the same size as later GN drives.
That said, if it is Minovsky drives specifically in discussion, they they're basically reactionless drives capable of free floating and supplying particles for the thrusters too, though I'm not sure if it's ever clarified whether it needs refueling (with more electricity) or not to be capable of near indefinite operation a la GN drives. It's also worth remembering here that the Ahab reactors in IBO are functionally indestructible as well as being capable of indefinite operation so they're certainly up there as well. They don't seem as powerful as GN reactors, since those can power quantization etc. or Minovsky Drives that can accelerate steadily enough to travel Earth to Jupiter in a few days, but that might just be people under utilizing them and apparently there's the implication pre-Calamity War Earth was an interstellar empire somewhere, so maybe they're capable of more than current Gjallarhorn etc. use them for.
Also as the term comes from the Latin phrase "Anno Domini" which means "the year of our lord", which is what we used before switching to "common era",
>The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview,
Huh, that's interesting, never knew about this. Link?
[...] >The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically
Or this - does this mean 00 is supposed to be more self consciously 'Gundam but western action film' then I'd assumed?
AD is 西暦/Seireki = "Western Calendar" in Japanese.
In modern Japanese it's used to refer to AD and that's presumably why it's translated that way, but in a sci-fi setting it could refer to any western calendar. It could secretly be Anno Hideaki and we wouldn't know because they never actually say its name.
00 has intergalactic travel and alien people, it can't be UC prequel.
After the end of 00 movie, civilization escalates higher than ever it's impossible for them to go back to tanks and shit tier machines seen in OYW.
He's not talking about the ELS, but the Human ELS hybrids. Humanity by the end of 00 has gone full on transhumanism with everyone becoming some wacky magic immortal god.
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So Gym was the last of these hybrids who managed to survive the Moonlight Butterfly event
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>magic immortal god
I thought the reporter at the end of AWOT really just said that only Innovators were going to space because of their expanded lifespans rather than immortal (besides Shiny ELS setsuna)
Also what even allows a normal person to Innovate? Reporter guy did but Princess girl became a old lady (which I assume means not a innovator).
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Only some people have, like Setsuna and presumably Amie Lee, who's visibly part ELS. And Graham I guess?
25% of humanity is Innovators, which Setsuna became even before fusing with the ELS. I believe Descartes Shaman was also a true Innovator.
>magic immortal god
I thought the reporter at the end of AWOT really just said that only Innovators were going to space because of their expanded lifespans rather than immortal (besides Shiny ELS setsuna)
Also what even allows a normal person to Innovate? Reporter guy did but Princess girl became a old lady (which I assume means not a innovator).
There are some ELS humans other than Setsuna but it's not clear if they're immortal or not. They appear to be different from mere Innovators. We see Amie, the school girl who was the first to be attacked by the ELS on Earth, is a partial ELS innovator. Apparently Graham is as well in the stage drama where he pilots the newest Exia repair. Setsuna of course is a full on metal god with glowing golden eyes
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The entire point of Descartes is that he's a true Innovator, yes, but that even a true innovator can be an arrogant butthole who has no idea how to resolve conflicts by any means other than force; somewhat akin to Ribbons.
>The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview,
Huh, that's interesting, never knew about this. Link?
I don't think GN drives are larger than Minovsky drives, even putting aside that there's nothing to say they're less efficient. GN drives are also baryonic generators, which presumably operate on a smaller scale than nanomachines; with baryons being subatomic particles that are generally in the 10 to power of -27 range, while nanomachines are usually around about 10 to the power of -9.
[...]
The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically. It's just translated as that for Western audiences, because that is the calendar used in the West.
>The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically
Or this - does this mean 00 is supposed to be more self consciously 'Gundam but western action film' then I'd assumed?
Just like disneywars right?
Also >Gundam timeline >Canon
Anon... read the reply chain, there's a reason it started with an anon saying headcanon
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>star wars unprompted
Die, basedscreamer.
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>Imagine being this assblasted over a discussion over headcanon.
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> Just like disneywars right?
Sure. As for "it's only headcanon"; if it was only headcanon at debate, then you wouldn't give two shits which order the works were in by some random fans opinion or raise"word of God" to support one particular way.
It fits in basically any timeline >we got tired of constant war so we made a tournament to solve things instead.
Your head canon doesn't fit since FC is about major real world nations fricking off into space and creating a federation of space colonies instead of an earth federation.
>>FC (Colonies are richer than Earth by this point and the tournaments are payback for the past treatment)
You know G has its own setting right? It doesn't fit neatly at all with any of the other settings. You'd have to erase it to fit it in.
>>CE (years passed and tech regressed hard, now MSs are resurging and the bloody valentine happens Jumpstarting the dark history)
CE also doesn't work because it's literally set after World War 3 of our current timeline. WW3 is basically an energy war after oil collapses and real world nations reorganize into the Earth factions from SEED instead of becoming an Earth Federation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080724033327/http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/timeline.html
It fits in a certain way
UC->AG->FC->AC->AW->PD->CE->(Dark History/SD/GGen/MS Saga)->CC->RC >UC (we all know how that goes >AG (Mars Zeon remnants advance their tech too much and shit happens) >FC (Colonies are richer than Earth by this point and the tournaments are payback for the past treatment) >AC (Colonists plan Operation Meteor to disarm Earth and take it once and for all) >AW (Earth Federation makes it's last stand and the 7th space war happens) >PD (after the 8th space war someone decided that AI and Mobile Armors were the future and then The Feddies/Gallarhorn continued the Belphegor line with Goetia inspired Gundams >CE (years passed and tech regressed hard, now MSs are resurging and the bloody valentine happens Jumpstarting the dark history) >CC (500 years pass after the dark history and people just refer to the past as the UC altogether, shit happens and the turn AX cocoon gets sent to Venus) >RC (500 years pass and now the venusians think they're hot shit and try to take over Earth by acting like jovians) >And the cycle of war continues
The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview, so who fricking knows.
It happened in the Dark History period.
Also the reconstruction war that starts CE >At the end of the A.D. era, the exhaustion of Earth's petroleum resources and worsening environmental pollution brought about a worldwide economic collapse. The world's nations formed economic blocs, dividing the planet into a handful of major powers. Increasing ethnic and religious strife soon led to a third world war, known as the Reconstruction War, in which the world's nations were merged and reorganized. The conflict continued to escalate until nuclear weapons were employed on the frontlines of central Asia's Kashmir region. The resulting shock motivated the combatants to resolve their conflicts peacefully, and the Reconstruction War eventually came to an end in the year C.E. 9.
It doesn't. At all. I've honestly never understood where people get the comparison. About the only similarity is the shoulder, and even that's only vaguely similar.
considering how NT went all "newtype ghosts did it" on everything, i could totally see that happening. it's kinda dumb but it kinda makes sense. and the unicorn doing time travel with neo zeong being real, sure
>A mysterious mobile fighter, the JDG-010 Devil Gundam Junior was apparently developed on its own from a collection of DG cells that was left behind by the original JDG-00X Devil Gundam. Although much smaller than its "father", the Devil Gundam Junior retained all of the original's brutal power. Its primary ranged weapon, much like the original, was a mega devil flasher mounted in its chest. Additionally, the Devil Gundam Junior could rapidly spread its DG cells and infect other living matter.
eh, I never include AGE, 00 or IBO in the turn A timeline. it's obvous from the show itself that AW, CE, and FC happen before the show and i can accept Seed being in the timeline as well, since the moon city looks identical to the one in Turn A and there's not too much time between the shows. only after this they started making more alternate universes where it starts being really crammed in that could not have been planned to be included in advance, plus these shows suck anyway (and seed and wing too). and greco happens after turn a btw
>The Devil Gundam's objective was to use its nanomachines to restore Earth to a primitive state so that nature could recover, and that's exactly what the Turn A ended up doing with its own nanomachines.
He's just saying what's in that text. It talks about how due to the Turn-X using the Shinning Finger about it, there's the theory that the Turn-A would be originated from the Devil Gundam's remains. Which, yeah, it's a really weird interpretation.
Seems like a pretty pointless upgrade ide, since everything it does is just a copy of the God Gundam's moves, using one God finger and one devil finger; when the devil finger isn't any stronger than a God finger.
>Turn-X would be originated from the Shining Gundaminvaded by the Devil Gundam
It means...
It also means at some point in G-Gundam's timeline, the Devil Gundam was reverse-engineered and developed into a more conventional mobile fighter (GF14-018NH Twilight Gundam?)
I thought the Turn X Shining Finger was a fake imitation that was just a cool thing that the former pilot of the Turn X saw from the Black History, liked, and programmed into the Turn X. It's mentioned that although it's called the Shining Finger in the Turn X computer, the way it's used is actually based on how Domon defeated the Zeus Gundam with the God Finger, mainly because of the HEAT END finisher where the attack causes the enemy above his head to blow up by forcing energy into it.
Since this thread is talking about Turn A I still fricking hate the ending, how could Loran leave Sochie behind to watch over a dying queen in the middle of nowhere, would it have been so wrong to take Sochie as well to the cabin?
Because the Queen wanted to be alone?
But then she had Loran as a caretaker so that's not the case?
Honestly have no idea since the anime ends with Sochie crying, her sister pretending to be the queen on the moon, and Loran serving soup.
You're overcomplicating it. Loran went to live in the woods with another woman. Alone. Gee, I wonder why he might not have taken Sochie with him. It's a real mystery.
Torturing Sochie by having her live in the same house would have been a whole new level, though.
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I assumed Loran and Sochie confirmed their feelings for each other during the kiss scene, but Loran decided to leave with the queen so she could finally grow old and die in peace
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I like to think that Loran will come back for Sochie.
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Why not take her if he actually cared? Servants are not forbidden families; that's not a thing. Not even in the setting.
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If Sunrise had absolutely no hack writers or staff, Loran would've married Sochie.
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> If the writers were better my headcanon would be canon
She's wearing an engagement ring in the finale after they cut to them living alone, so yes, you did. Which is putting aside all the smaller scenes implying that their relationship is romantic throughout the show, like them regularly being the only ones to really understand each other, comforting each other when anxious, dancing together etc.
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Alright, I didn't see the ring, thanks for clearing up my confusion, now I dislike Turn A a lot less
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It's a common confusion for the shows finale, though I'm not entire sure why, to he honest, because Loran not only never shows any interest in Sochie before or after that kiss, but specifically has no reaction when Sochie tries to make him jealous by saying she will marry Gavane and later doesn't react when she says to his face that he'd be happier if her sister were the one there and not Sochie herself.
On the other hand, Dianna is the one who slaps Sochie for abusing her position as Loran's employer to command him when she feels slighted after she realizes that Sochie is just trying to make Loran jealous by marrying Gavane. The kiss itself is also questionable, because while Loran is one of the most emotive leads in the franchise, and certainly the most emotionally stable, he has no reaction to the kiss at all. Sochie's is crying and leaning into it, and he's stone faced, then immediately walks away after it's done. It's a very one sided kiss.
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That's literally the ring Will Game left for her you speedwatcher. Loran doesn't even have a ring himself and is very much a servant to her throughout that ending sequence.
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It's funny you say "speedwatcher" when Will Game not only never gives Dianna a ring, he specifically says he won't give her one until her returns. Which he never does, because he dies on his quest and Dianna is shipped home before his body is returned. Nor does his descendant give her a ring. What he gives her is a music box with a feather from the bird the elder Will Game set out to find in it. Nor does she find it in his house; what she finds is a lithograph of a photo she took with Will. At no point prior to that scene in the finale is Dianna given a ring by anyone, or even wearing one.
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Oh, and Loran isn't wearing a ring because, as in many cultures, Japanese men often don't wear engagement or wedding rings; only Japanese women. That's started to change in the last few decades, but it's still pretty normal even now (never mind 20 years ago in a show directed by a then 60 year old man) for men not to wear them at all.
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Didn't she find that ring in Will's old house along with the glass photo that she shattered?
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Nope. Here's the scene of her exploring Will Game's old room...
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Here's her getting the feather Will found from his ancestor.
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The photo breaking.
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And Will Game's statement he doesn't intend to ask Dianna to marry until he returns (I thought a ring is mentioned explicitly here as something he'll give her after he returns, but it's not even mentioned). No ring mentioned at all, nor even implied. Nor is Dianna shown wearing a ring at any point in any of these episodes, or the following ones after Will dies. In fact, I don't think she wears a ring at all in the entire show until the epilogue; though I haven't checked every episode to be sure or anything.
Sunrise said if before and Tomino said its 500 years after.
Honestly I prefer Tomino's idea otherwise the dark history would really make G-Reco completely meaningless.
So yeah, up to the viewer I guess.
I mean they are connected through DG cells.
A better question is why it doesn't really evoke the Devil Gundam at all.
Why not?
From the thumbnail I thought that was an Arbiter from Starcraft
kinda looks like some artistic depictions of viruses
neat
Because Turn X and Turn A's nanomachines are DG cells (or vice-versa, idk)
In my headcanon, G Gundam is part of Late Late UC.
It fits in a certain way
UC->AG->FC->AC->AW->PD->CE->(Dark History/SD/GGen/MS Saga)->CC->RC
>UC (we all know how that goes
>AG (Mars Zeon remnants advance their tech too much and shit happens)
>FC (Colonies are richer than Earth by this point and the tournaments are payback for the past treatment)
>AC (Colonists plan Operation Meteor to disarm Earth and take it once and for all)
>AW (Earth Federation makes it's last stand and the 7th space war happens)
>PD (after the 8th space war someone decided that AI and Mobile Armors were the future and then The Feddies/Gallarhorn continued the Belphegor line with Goetia inspired Gundams
>CE (years passed and tech regressed hard, now MSs are resurging and the bloody valentine happens Jumpstarting the dark history)
>CC (500 years pass after the dark history and people just refer to the past as the UC altogether, shit happens and the turn AX cocoon gets sent to Venus)
>RC (500 years pass and now the venusians think they're hot shit and try to take over Earth by acting like jovians)
>And the cycle of war continues
The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview, so who fricking knows.
It happened in the Dark History period.
X has to be after UC
Sorry, but it's more likely that Anno Domini is the prequel to UC, with its comparatively primitive tech designs (The more edgy aesthetic speaks of suits being derived from today's stealth military aircraft), and DG cells possibly being reverse-engineered from ELS nanobots. GN drives can be seen as larger, more inefficient predecessors of Minovsky drives, and Innovators are the original Newtypes
Also as the term comes from the Latin phrase "Anno Domini" which means "the year of our lord", which is what we used before switching to "common era",
I don't think GN drives are larger than Minovsky drives, even putting aside that there's nothing to say they're less efficient. GN drives are also baryonic generators, which presumably operate on a smaller scale than nanomachines; with baryons being subatomic particles that are generally in the 10 to power of -27 range, while nanomachines are usually around about 10 to the power of -9.
The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically. It's just translated as that for Western audiences, because that is the calendar used in the West.
You're blocking out the "designs evolving from stealth bombers" part
No, I'm just not contesting it because while I don't think that makes them look more primitive than UC designs, I also don't think it's untrue that they're more evocative of modern military aircraft. The point that GN drives don't seem more primitive than Minovsky drives etc. stands regardless of whether I agree with that one part or not though. I also didn't mention Newtypes relative to Innovators. Which is, again, because "Innovators are the original Newtypes" isn't a statement I feel has anything in it worth disagreeing over. The two are similar enough it's a reasonable conclusion, even if I don't think it's a very good tie; that's mostly just because I don't think the timeline needs to be tied together that way, rather than that those ties are unreasonable in and of themselves though.
GN drives are definitely larger than Minovsky fusion reactors, since the latter fit neatly in the torso of mobile suits and the former almost always is arranged sticking out at least partially (and isn't far off the torso in size on top of that).
The idea that they're 'less efficient' is laughable though, since a GN drive can produce power indefinitely with no fuel supply and the moment-to-moment output of even a single drive is sufficient for all the kinds of other nonsense GN drive suits are seen packing, on top of providing Minovsky craft style free floating flight and supplying particles for the thrusters rather than needing separate propellant. GN drives are the single best power plant in the Gundam franchise, with the possible exeption of the engines on the Turns.
The actual "core" of a GN Drive is pretty small, and the cone structure is just a housing for it.
IIRC the Gundams operate kind of like a hybrid car - the GN Drive produces a slow trickle of particles that charges the suit's GN Condensers over time, with larger Condensers allowing for greater burst power. There are also mobile suits which just have Condensers, and have to be connected to a GN Drive back at base to charge them up.
So I assume the cone has Condensers in it, and they moved away from the design as they got better at miniaturising them?
The original post (
) mentions "Minovsky dries" rather than "Minovsky fusion" engines/reactors, which I assume means the V2's Minovsky drive reactor specifically. Which isn't just something that can be fit cleanly into the torso of a mobile suit and has two huge vanes sticking out the back of the unit that make it larger than a GN drive. Of course, miniaturization is a thing and they could probably be made smaller over time. However, the same is true of GN drives and the 00's two drives seem barely bigger than the shoulder of the unit never mind the torso, while the Sakibure's in the movie's epilogue have a single GN drive that's pretty small yet is capable of quantization; meaning they got more efficient/powerful while still being of roughly the same size as later GN drives.
That said, if it is Minovsky drives specifically in discussion, they they're basically reactionless drives capable of free floating and supplying particles for the thrusters too, though I'm not sure if it's ever clarified whether it needs refueling (with more electricity) or not to be capable of near indefinite operation a la GN drives. It's also worth remembering here that the Ahab reactors in IBO are functionally indestructible as well as being capable of indefinite operation so they're certainly up there as well. They don't seem as powerful as GN reactors, since those can power quantization etc. or Minovsky Drives that can accelerate steadily enough to travel Earth to Jupiter in a few days, but that might just be people under utilizing them and apparently there's the implication pre-Calamity War Earth was an interstellar empire somewhere, so maybe they're capable of more than current Gjallarhorn etc. use them for.
AD is 西暦/Seireki = "Western Calendar" in Japanese.
In modern Japanese it's used to refer to AD and that's presumably why it's translated that way, but in a sci-fi setting it could refer to any western calendar. It could secretly be Anno Hideaki and we wouldn't know because they never actually say its name.
00 has intergalactic travel and alien people, it can't be UC prequel.
After the end of 00 movie, civilization escalates higher than ever it's impossible for them to go back to tanks and shit tier machines seen in OYW.
>alien people
The Aliens in AOTT are "Grey Goo" or nanobots
He's not talking about the ELS, but the Human ELS hybrids. Humanity by the end of 00 has gone full on transhumanism with everyone becoming some wacky magic immortal god.
So Gym was the last of these hybrids who managed to survive the Moonlight Butterfly event
>magic immortal god
I thought the reporter at the end of AWOT really just said that only Innovators were going to space because of their expanded lifespans rather than immortal (besides Shiny ELS setsuna)
Also what even allows a normal person to Innovate? Reporter guy did but Princess girl became a old lady (which I assume means not a innovator).
Only some people have, like Setsuna and presumably Amie Lee, who's visibly part ELS. And Graham I guess?
25% of humanity is Innovators, which Setsuna became even before fusing with the ELS. I believe Descartes Shaman was also a true Innovator.
There are some ELS humans other than Setsuna but it's not clear if they're immortal or not. They appear to be different from mere Innovators. We see Amie, the school girl who was the first to be attacked by the ELS on Earth, is a partial ELS innovator. Apparently Graham is as well in the stage drama where he pilots the newest Exia repair. Setsuna of course is a full on metal god with glowing golden eyes
The entire point of Descartes is that he's a true Innovator, yes, but that even a true innovator can be an arrogant butthole who has no idea how to resolve conflicts by any means other than force; somewhat akin to Ribbons.
>The only one I can't fit in is AD/00 but Tomino said that the Orbital elevator was a relic from the ones in 00 in that one interview,
Huh, that's interesting, never knew about this. Link?
>The Japanese rendering of the 00 calendar actually translates more literally to "Western Calendar" if I recall, rather than "Anno Domini" specifically
Or this - does this mean 00 is supposed to be more self consciously 'Gundam but western action film' then I'd assumed?
G-Reco happens before Turn A.
Get over it anon
Word of god > Sunrise interns
Sunrise are the word of God anon, because they own the property, so they get to decide what is and isn't canon.
Just like disneywars right?
Also
>Gundam timeline
>Canon
Anon... read the reply chain, there's a reason it started with an anon saying headcanon
>star wars unprompted
Die, basedscreamer.
>Imagine being this assblasted over a discussion over headcanon.
> Just like disneywars right?
Sure. As for "it's only headcanon"; if it was only headcanon at debate, then you wouldn't give two shits which order the works were in by some random fans opinion or raise"word of God" to support one particular way.
It fits in basically any timeline
>we got tired of constant war so we made a tournament to solve things instead.
Your head canon doesn't fit since FC is about major real world nations fricking off into space and creating a federation of space colonies instead of an earth federation.
>>FC (Colonies are richer than Earth by this point and the tournaments are payback for the past treatment)
You know G has its own setting right? It doesn't fit neatly at all with any of the other settings. You'd have to erase it to fit it in.
>>CE (years passed and tech regressed hard, now MSs are resurging and the bloody valentine happens Jumpstarting the dark history)
CE also doesn't work because it's literally set after World War 3 of our current timeline. WW3 is basically an energy war after oil collapses and real world nations reorganize into the Earth factions from SEED instead of becoming an Earth Federation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080724033327/http://gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/timeline.html
Forgot to include
Also the reconstruction war that starts CE
>At the end of the A.D. era, the exhaustion of Earth's petroleum resources and worsening environmental pollution brought about a worldwide economic collapse. The world's nations formed economic blocs, dividing the planet into a handful of major powers. Increasing ethnic and religious strife soon led to a third world war, known as the Reconstruction War, in which the world's nations were merged and reorganized. The conflict continued to escalate until nuclear weapons were employed on the frontlines of central Asia's Kashmir region. The resulting shock motivated the combatants to resolve their conflicts peacefully, and the Reconstruction War eventually came to an end in the year C.E. 9.
They're both just nanomachine hives.
It doesn't. At all. I've honestly never understood where people get the comparison. About the only similarity is the shoulder, and even that's only vaguely similar.
That’s a very cool head design
>Warp fields stabilized.
Unicorn 2 will reveal that the Unicorn units merged the timelines.
considering how NT went all "newtype ghosts did it" on everything, i could totally see that happening. it's kinda dumb but it kinda makes sense. and the unicorn doing time travel with neo zeong being real, sure
>RX-1 Pegasus Gundam
>Is developed from technologies that do not exist in UC's reality
It look Getter-3 crossbred with Getter-2 through a DG cell mating ritual.
>A mysterious mobile fighter, the JDG-010 Devil Gundam Junior was apparently developed on its own from a collection of DG cells that was left behind by the original JDG-00X Devil Gundam. Although much smaller than its "father", the Devil Gundam Junior retained all of the original's brutal power. Its primary ranged weapon, much like the original, was a mega devil flasher mounted in its chest. Additionally, the Devil Gundam Junior could rapidly spread its DG cells and infect other living matter.
eh, I never include AGE, 00 or IBO in the turn A timeline. it's obvous from the show itself that AW, CE, and FC happen before the show and i can accept Seed being in the timeline as well, since the moon city looks identical to the one in Turn A and there's not too much time between the shows. only after this they started making more alternate universes where it starts being really crammed in that could not have been planned to be included in advance, plus these shows suck anyway (and seed and wing too). and greco happens after turn a btw
I like to think the stargazer Gundam found turn-x while deep exploring and that's how the timeline reset and became Gundam 00 AD timeline
>I like to think the stargazer Gundam found turn-x while deep exploring
I like that this is a common sentiment even among the japs
That's because SEED went out of its way to put Turn A references in it.
Turn A is apparently Fukuda's favorite Gundam show.
Fukuda likes anything Tomino
Smart Fukuda
Where?
>The Devil Gundam's objective was to use its nanomachines to restore Earth to a primitive state so that nature could recover, and that's exactly what the Turn A ended up doing with its own nanomachines.
that the ZZ?
It didn't appear in the anime, no? What a waste to not add this to the already balls-to-the-wall frickery.
Are you implying Turn X fricked the Devil Gundam's wife?
Where would SEED fall in the timeline?
In the garbage
Translation?
There is also a theory about how Turn A came to be from the remains of the Devil Gundam.
what? no, Turn A was made from tech from the Turn X which drifted from outside the Sol System
He's just saying what's in that text. It talks about how due to the Turn-X using the Shinning Finger about it, there's the theory that the Turn-A would be originated from the Devil Gundam's remains. Which, yeah, it's a really weird interpretation.
>Turn-X would be originated from the Shining Gundaminvaded by the Devil Gundam
It means...
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/GF13-017%E2%88%9E_Gundam_God_Master
Seems like a pretty pointless upgrade ide, since everything it does is just a copy of the God Gundam's moves, using one God finger and one devil finger; when the devil finger isn't any stronger than a God finger.
It also means at some point in G-Gundam's timeline, the Devil Gundam was reverse-engineered and developed into a more conventional mobile fighter (GF14-018NH Twilight Gundam?)
>Shinning Finger about it,
against it
I'm pretty sure it was designed with the intention to link DG Cells to the Turns
Why? There's nothing in there to link them.
It's from G Generation.
What do people on 2ch/2chan think of Devil Gundam JR?
I thought the Turn X Shining Finger was a fake imitation that was just a cool thing that the former pilot of the Turn X saw from the Black History, liked, and programmed into the Turn X. It's mentioned that although it's called the Shining Finger in the Turn X computer, the way it's used is actually based on how Domon defeated the Zeus Gundam with the God Finger, mainly because of the HEAT END finisher where the attack causes the enemy above his head to blow up by forcing energy into it.
what's this about?
Since this thread is talking about Turn A
I still fricking hate the ending, how could Loran leave Sochie behind to watch over a dying queen in the middle of nowhere, would it have been so wrong to take Sochie as well to the cabin?
Think about why he wouldn't for a second.
Because the Queen wanted to be alone?
But then she had Loran as a caretaker so that's not the case?
Honestly have no idea since the anime ends with Sochie crying, her sister pretending to be the queen on the moon, and Loran serving soup.
You're overcomplicating it. Loran went to live in the woods with another woman. Alone. Gee, I wonder why he might not have taken Sochie with him. It's a real mystery.
I guess I missed some hint that Loran and the Queen were lovers when watching the finale
Torturing Sochie by having her live in the same house would have been a whole new level, though.
I assumed Loran and Sochie confirmed their feelings for each other during the kiss scene, but Loran decided to leave with the queen so she could finally grow old and die in peace
I like to think that Loran will come back for Sochie.
Why not take her if he actually cared? Servants are not forbidden families; that's not a thing. Not even in the setting.
If Sunrise had absolutely no hack writers or staff, Loran would've married Sochie.
> If the writers were better my headcanon would be canon
Uh huh
She's wearing an engagement ring in the finale after they cut to them living alone, so yes, you did. Which is putting aside all the smaller scenes implying that their relationship is romantic throughout the show, like them regularly being the only ones to really understand each other, comforting each other when anxious, dancing together etc.
Alright, I didn't see the ring, thanks for clearing up my confusion, now I dislike Turn A a lot less
It's a common confusion for the shows finale, though I'm not entire sure why, to he honest, because Loran not only never shows any interest in Sochie before or after that kiss, but specifically has no reaction when Sochie tries to make him jealous by saying she will marry Gavane and later doesn't react when she says to his face that he'd be happier if her sister were the one there and not Sochie herself.
On the other hand, Dianna is the one who slaps Sochie for abusing her position as Loran's employer to command him when she feels slighted after she realizes that Sochie is just trying to make Loran jealous by marrying Gavane. The kiss itself is also questionable, because while Loran is one of the most emotive leads in the franchise, and certainly the most emotionally stable, he has no reaction to the kiss at all. Sochie's is crying and leaning into it, and he's stone faced, then immediately walks away after it's done. It's a very one sided kiss.
That's literally the ring Will Game left for her you speedwatcher. Loran doesn't even have a ring himself and is very much a servant to her throughout that ending sequence.
It's funny you say "speedwatcher" when Will Game not only never gives Dianna a ring, he specifically says he won't give her one until her returns. Which he never does, because he dies on his quest and Dianna is shipped home before his body is returned. Nor does his descendant give her a ring. What he gives her is a music box with a feather from the bird the elder Will Game set out to find in it. Nor does she find it in his house; what she finds is a lithograph of a photo she took with Will. At no point prior to that scene in the finale is Dianna given a ring by anyone, or even wearing one.
Oh, and Loran isn't wearing a ring because, as in many cultures, Japanese men often don't wear engagement or wedding rings; only Japanese women. That's started to change in the last few decades, but it's still pretty normal even now (never mind 20 years ago in a show directed by a then 60 year old man) for men not to wear them at all.
Didn't she find that ring in Will's old house along with the glass photo that she shattered?
Nope. Here's the scene of her exploring Will Game's old room...
Here's her getting the feather Will found from his ancestor.
The photo breaking.
And Will Game's statement he doesn't intend to ask Dianna to marry until he returns (I thought a ring is mentioned explicitly here as something he'll give her after he returns, but it's not even mentioned). No ring mentioned at all, nor even implied. Nor is Dianna shown wearing a ring at any point in any of these episodes, or the following ones after Will dies. In fact, I don't think she wears a ring at all in the entire show until the epilogue; though I haven't checked every episode to be sure or anything.
BEcause Sochie is a hyper b***h
Is that a Festum?!
Wouldn't be surprised, considering it almost looks like a Lovecraftian interdimensional abomination
There is a side story about Devil Gundam Jr.'s brothers copying the Shining Gundam.
L O R E
I hope we get new dark history lore, maybe an anime even
I'd be happy with a a connection/teaser in reconguista final movie
kino
Is Reconguista before or after Turn A?
Sunrise said if before and Tomino said its 500 years after.
Honestly I prefer Tomino's idea otherwise the dark history would really make G-Reco completely meaningless.
So yeah, up to the viewer I guess.