Why does (good) animation rarely exists outside the United States, Canada, France and Japan?
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Why does (good) animation rarely exists outside the United States, Canada, France and Japan?
Why does (good) animation rarely exists outside the United States, Canada, France and Japan?
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>Canada
AAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
...problem?
/thread
Stop laughing at our mediocrity
Paw Patrol and FIM are the two of the most successful cartoons of the millennium
Much as I fricking love Paw Patrol, it's pretty much only the movie that can be called good animation
Canada doesn't produce any (good) animation. I'll admit it does produce a lot for a third world country though.
>it does produce a lot for a third world country though.
care to extrapolate?
Something something china trudeau
Canada does produce good animation…for the US
For itself? Eh not so much
%3D
The NFB has a lot of good shorts.
why hasn't NFB collaborated with indigenous cultures to tell their stories?that would be 1000x more interesting than all other tax payer funded slop made by Canadian studios. why do they get free money?
Lack of capital resources, lack of interest, lack of animation culture, lack of government support or requirements for percentage of original content (which is why Canada managed to get a scene)
Spbp
Okay.
what about hungary and russia
Dead since the Soviet Union fell.
It's so dead that hungary released 3 animated movies in the past year time interval. (Not in 2023 but in one year time backwards)
Even if it was dead, a single hungarian can make a web cartoon like this in microsoft paint with a 10-18 minute episode made in 2 months.
I mean not in 2022.
Toldi in 2022, Kojot négy lelke and Műanyag égbolt in 2023.
>implying the USA and Japan still do animation themselves and don't outsource all of it to Korea
That’s like saying the US and Japan have zero companies because the production slave gruntwork is outsourced to china
You say that as if France and Canada don't also outsource to Korea (or more accurately nowadays, Vietnam).
Japan still does animation because animators are still treated like dirt.
$10,500 / year
>Voice actress: $666,600/year
Et tu, Satanas?
So, why exactly did they feel the need to communicate this with generic anime females?
asiatics couldn't sympathize with them otherwise?
>Implying that I just didn't snatch this image off Google.
Oh sweet summer child....
>Implying i implied you made it.
Learn to read.
"why exactly did THEY feel the need to"
anon's dumb, but I'm guessing so with your first point. Another might be they can't draw a girl without anime aesthetics
>Ten thousand dollars for a year of painstaking work
Okay what the frick
Animators have it way worse than everyone else, obviously, but these salaries seem insanely low in general, even for the directors.
Sad.
>but these salaries seem insanely low in general
You now realize that America is filthy fricking rich.
Seiyuus do good work, but they unironically get their dick sucked WAY too hard in Japan, like seriously
Girls don't have dicks anon
To be fair, when you're an A-lister your job involves a lot more than just doing voicework.
They also go on press tours, host events, sometimes they'll even sing the OP/ED, may even release an album or some other supplementary content, etc. etc.
It's like the kind of shit regular celebrities have to do for big name film releases, which is probably where a lot of that annual cashflow comes from as opposed to just voicing characters.
Is there a country that doesn't outsource? Even Korea outsources its own shit to other nations like India and Bangladesh sometimes.
Why wouldn't a company outsource things if they're overworked? Doing backgrounds and stuff like that takes time but doesn't require talent. So you let some Bangladeshi sweat shop worker do it.
>Is there a country that doesn't outsource?
In the first world?
No.
Yes, most of hungarian animation has no outsourcing, other countries outsource to hungary. (Felix the cat movie, Princess and the goblin, pumuckl, mr. Bean cartoon, redbull commercials, etc.)
Is that supposed to be good animation? This is what hungary does with a fragment of the budget.
Do you only get satisfied with food if it is made by the best chefs in the world? And call everything else shit?
Those three examples are fine
It depends what he is saying by "(good) animation". Even if we ignore all the outsourced shit. japan and america have statistically produced more great animation than all the other countries combined.
South Korea mogs 3 out of your 4.
What's good from Korea? I saw a movie about a chicken once
>Canada makes animated cartoons
Aside from tv shows meant for toddlers what shows are domestically animated here?
Like honestly, our labour laws doesn't allow working conditions the Oriental has wherefore making Canadian labour too expensive to compete against the moe continent.
Are you telling me that you can't pay a Canadian animator $10,500/year and still have them work 12 hours a day 6 days a week?
>$2.80/hour
>72 hours per week
Jesus!
...
Also no, BC minimum wage is $16.75 CAD or $12.67 USD, thereby making Canadian labour 4.5 times more expensive than what I assume was the South Korean wages in USD.
>More expensive
>Worse at animating
What's even the point then?!
They recommended animation for those whom suffer with Autism since it's a job that involves repetitive actions with a colourful working environment.
I know this because I had to do a program that aids integrating autists into the workforce... I'm somewhat moronic.
Canada has better animators than Korea. And they have tax breaks which make them as cheap as Korea. It's why Disney and Titmouse always outsource there.
Whatever people are responsible for that should be lined up against a wall and shot.
Is this your idea of good animation?
Yes.
no because that's a single frame, not animation
Better than this Korean work of industrial art
Anon, that's American.
>Canada has better animators than Korea
Are you fricking serious?
By and large, yes. You'll never see it in their cheap-aas original work, but there's a reason they're an outsource hub. Most of Spiderverse was made in Canada.
Voltron, atla and korra are 3 of the best looking non-japanese long running shows and they wree all amde in korea though.
>studio mir
Don't make me vomit.
3D animation is completely different. Different software, different methods, etc.
The West is much better with 3D than the East, the East is much better with 2D.
>Japan
>good animation
This is Cinemaphile. No one will call you racist for stating the obvious.
Shitty bait.
Where?
No, seriously, where?
>It's another homosexual posts the literal Rick and Morty Youtube fan parody as an actual official studio work episode
How many times do we have to tell you old man
>expecting anons to ever admit having shared false information
You're talking to doors here
You bumped this shitty ass thread for that?
why should i care
and you helped it stay alive longer lmao
>look! if i take my favorite looking complicated and artful, and make your favorite thing look silly, i win!
No one "made" it look silly besides its own shitty style
Sure, but
(wish I read that before posting
)
South Corea, Taiwan, China and I wanna say Italia and Germany but I'm not sure they produce good things anymore
Japan does not make good animation its all just highly detailed designs with no nose with only one frame of the mouth flapping up and down
Are you brain damaged?
Watch, they're gonna call this one *forced animation*.
Why?
You need to stop watching shonenshit.
>Canada
Ah, I see what you were trying there leafboy!
Who would you put instead of Canada then?
South Korea
Everywhere else is too busy dealing with crime, manufacturing, and stuffing any loose money into their corrupt abyssal pockets. There's no room to boost an academic art scene let alone an animation industry. That being said take Canada off that list, and give the US only an honorary mention.
Like Japan and France, the Us had some really great animated works and a lot of horseshit
You can’t exclude them for any reason
Oh right I forgot cgi slop counts as animation. Silly me.
Terrible bait
Does Britain have much of an animation industry? I can thing of stop-motion and claymation Aardman but, is that the only company of note?
Until acquisitions by overseas firms, yes.
>see: Cosgrove Hall
It's hideous animation, but the company that churns out Peppa Pig makes absurd profits
>Peppa Pig
Yes.
The first british animated film was also co-made by a hungarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halas_and_Batchelor
Actually interesting idea. Post your favorite animated movie from each of the 4 countries in the OP.
Anime dominates asia and nobody really complains about it so they don't have a need to make anything else anymore. Not just anime shows, but things like vtubers center around anime or Japan. If there's a difference between asia and the west, asians loosely "join" the pan asian anime scene like Japan releases Korean series both internationally and domestically, Indonesia has a popular vtuber branch and they interact with Japanese and so on. Same goes for Chinese phone games like Azur Lane. It's becoming one huge scene.
Ruben Brandt came out in 2018
>great animation
>character designs are fricking disgusting
For what purpose? You may as well have animated gore, at least that appeals to coomers
Az ember tragédiája was finished in 2011.
Macskafogó 2 from 2007
Egon & Dönci, the first hungarian CGI movie, from 2007
Egy akatsukis élete - a film
Movie based on the parody web series, from 2012.
Oscar-winning Rófusz Ferenc's 'The Last Supper 'adaptation came out in 2019.
Anyway, if you actually cared about "animation outside the United States, Canada, France and Japan", maybe you should notice when they are dumped in threads?
Anon, you're just autistically obsessed over Hungarian cartoons. That's on you. The rest just don't care.
Then maybe they/you shouldn't start threads pretending to care and just admit that?
Maybe you are autistically obsessed with excluding animation based on their country of origin?
Yet USA cartoon industry seemed to care, how weird.
You're just proving my point.
Proving that you are intimidated by cartoons existing outside of your comfort-countries, even in threads supposedly centered around them?
No one is being intimidated. You're just taking everything personally besides dismissing non-Hungarian animation as shit and putting Hungarian works above everything else. That's just cherry-picking and bad faith, Anon. I repeat, (You) are the problem.
When did i dismiss non-Hungarian animation as shit? I wasn't the one claiming "Japan does not make good animation", i replied to anime examples to show that animation and cartoons from other countries are ignored even with the same quality, it was OP who dismissed animations by starting the thread claiming that "(good) animation rarely exists outside the United States, Canada, France and Japan".
Picrel was animated mostly in the UK and Germany.
This is what happens when Spain, Malaysia, and Italy get together to co-produce animation. (the most bizarre thing about this show is that John Dilworth wrote the pilot as a freelance gig)
It's not good animation by any stretch. I just like the absurd circumstances behind its creation.
>france
Is this a meme? Beside some short student films ,wakfu, and ladybug they don't really release much.
They make lots of very good feature films
Ének a csodaszarvasról, from 2001.
All of these from after "the Soviet Union fell".
Vacak, az erdő hőse, from 1997
These were all movies, but i rather not start listing cartoons series made since then too.
Before i go, maybe someone will care.
Other than Klasky-Csupó having been co-founded by a hungarian and being full of hungarian employees:
Paramount was co-founded by a hungarian-jew:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Zukor
Fox was founded by a hungarian-jew:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fox_(producer)
USA media was greatly influenced by this hungarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Kovacs
The first superhero, who influenced Stan Lee was made by a hungarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Pimpernel
Only Japan is relevant and has diverse shows/companies. French and Amerimutts have a few relevant shows/companies like their comic industries. I don't even know what Canada is producing.
French, Japanese and Canadians are objective mutts given haplogroups.
Is Russia a joke to you?
Yes, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>forgetting brits have a lot of CGI studios
They have?
Why is China focusing so much on video games but not animations? Shouldn't animation be easier?
I'm pretty sure games are much more monetizable.
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For everyone saying korea trumps all these countries, or that one of these flags should be swapped out with korea. While it is perfectly true that all four of those countries animations studios outsource to korea (even ghibli outsources to korea), it doesn't really count. Inbetweening is specialized grunt work that's incidentally always outsourced to them behind the fact that otherwise just about only these four countries have "sovereign" animation businesses.
Korea
Korea what?
Inspector Gadget is made by 3 of them.
Actually all of them
This is a moronic thread.
Again you?
The UK will be a global cartoon superpower by 2030
Prove it.
No.
Why?
Nobody cares about your moronic thread anymore
But why?
Kys moron
i do