Why does it work so well?

Why are enough baby's dying all of a sudden to drastically drag life expectancy down so far

None of those "reasons" are reasonable, how is immigration killing baby's? Why are doctors and nurses suddenly becoming incompetent? Anyone claiming that the covid vaccine is dangerous to your health is genuinely on the same level as a tinfoil hat flat earth UFO spotted mentally ill conspiracy theorist, covid I understand but not to the extent where the whole average in the entire country is going down. You can't answer a question by presenting several more questions, it shows your incompetence

>IQ actually corresponds to competence
You think IQ quizzes are real?

(Do you also believe lie detector machines work?)

You can't reliability measure someone's IQ unless there's an actual disability or advantage, such as say down syndrome VS Einsteins brain, on average most people have the same capacity to learn, we aren't all diametrically opposed on some subatomic level, we all generally have the same capabilities for learning as one another regardless of race, nationally, even sometimes disability. The only true divide is class

What you mean is
>you can BECAUSE people have been doing it forever.
Which, sorry, I don't find "we've always done things this way! It must be flawless and perfect!" to be an effective argument, especially when just ever so slight changes in how we "do things" resulted in us going from practically being cavemen for 200,000 years us having magical shit like the internet in like 150 years

>Average life expectancy for Americans is sharply on the decline
Good riddance! Fricking finally! America will dissapear. Don't be such a homosexual, that's a good thing! No more Americans. Just imagine: no more fat fricks thrusting their moronic politics and celebrity culture everywhere through the Internet; no more whinning about microaggresions and opression; no more pointless debates about gun ownership, abortion and immigration... The final step would be making euthanasia legal and accessible for any ailment (even merely psichological ones), so the suicidal homosexuals can frick-off as well, just like Dr. Jack Kevorkian wanted. Frick America!

I mean, I'd personally love if american (and all nations/states for that matter) dissappeared over time eventually (it is not a hypothetical utopia, it is legitimately possible if you do the research) but to devolve into a dystopia that allows the state to cruelly murder people, well that's so unbelievably cartoonist evil, it could never happ--
https://doc.alabama.gov/NewsRelease?article=EXECUTION+CARRIED+OUT+FOR+ALABAMA+DEATH+ROW+INMATE

If your life is unpleasant, there really isn't any reason for you to continue struggling through living. Things aren't going to "get better"—such idea is just a delusion the neuronal connections of your brain create to keep you living because that's what the evolutionary imperative commands: the continuation of life no matter how pointless it may seem for the consciousness (an evolutionary accident raised amongst the randomness of physical processes and immidiet causes). Your life is yours and, if it's a burden to have, there's no one with the right to tell you you shouldn't take it off yourself. Assistend suicide for those suffering from psychological ailments it's completely humane—more so than compelling anyone to live a life they don't enjoy through fear of a supernatural punishment or the promise of a "better future" (anyone who does some research will realize that a "better future" is extremely unlikely).

This people were deluded. There's no onthological reason to live a life that's unpleasant. Their stubbornness just produced more suffering than that they had to endure, distributed in huge amounts of people that never had a real chance for happiness. Every reason you can give to live through struggle is mere humbug, a fabrication of your mind—either consciously or subconsciously—built by either genetic inheritance or social conditioning (i.e. religion). Even ideas such as "beauty" have no onthological ground, as reality itself has proven to be no more than mere phycial processes raised randomly by other physical processes with no inherent purpose, as only consciosness can ascribe purpose, but nature is devoid of consciousness. We like see physical phenomena as "working' towards somw "purpose", but this is merely an invention of our consciousness, which itself is the creation of random physical causal events. The only scale with which qualitatively measure life is sensual pleasure—if you find some joy in life, good, keep on living; but if you don't, the most reasonable course of action would be to simply take-out your life.

I am depressed, I will never kill myself because I want to get better, just like how I hate America but I will never leave (permanently) because I want to see it improve

>anyone who does some research will realize that a "better future" is extremely unlikely
Anyone who does some more research will realize the true beauty of life, it always inevitably finds a way to flourish. It's okay, I was once 14 years old too, you'll get over it

Pretty much the same.

I am depressed, I will never kill myself because I want to get better, just like how I hate America but I will never leave (permanently) because I want to see it improve

I don't eat any fast food, hell I don't even eat any red meat, the only meat I eat is chicken and turkey, I don't work out as much as I should but because I live in a America the closet Gym to me is a 20 minute drive away, so I try to go at least 2 or 3 times a week, I don't eat snacks regularly and only have two meals a day. I'm still overweight

Red meat is a known carcinogen, it causes cancer. Denying this is moronic, it is a fact.
I don't have anywhere to run to, my neighborhood is locked on a main road and the two ends of my sidewalk meet other main roads, at most I can run back and forth like less than a mile which would be annoying

Maybe in America, were everything is ridden with toxins, but in the real world with normal people, most of the things we consume and use are safe and normal. Americans should realize that they're basically living in a hellish microcosmos with its own physical and social rules.

And what?
Do you want a prize for healthy lifestyle?
You are like vegan fanatics, you are worst than Hitler, specially you should to gym, it take 20 min, lazy butthole.

Try walking fatass.

>And what?
>Do you want a prize for healthy lifestyle?
>You are like vegan fanatics, you are worst than Hitler, specially you should to gym, it take 20 min, lazy butthole.

Don't eat like shit for 6 months, and watch how much your life improves.

The grains are what's fricking you up.

Yes, men are more violent towards women, and yes, black people are more likely to commit crimes. There are not due to nature, say "the nature of men and black people," they are caused by societal factors. Men are violent towards women due to toxic masculinity, and women do have the right to view them negatively because despite being aware of toxic masculinity, many man choose to continue to follow it and be misogynistic and blame women for their struggles.
Such as you claiming "toxic femininity" which like... care to explain what the FRICK you even mean by that? Where in the world are these work environments where women dominate over the men in an unhealthy dynamic? I lost you at "parity" because that's a math term and I don't handle math

>you seem rather uninformed of discourse
Yeah I just turned 21, I only argue online to prepare myself for debate classes
So to comment on the gender parity, I appreciate your explanation, however what you described reminds me of affirmative action, and I've gotta say, I support programs that try and include a certain (better if its an equal) percentage of underrepresented minority voices in positions of power, this is because historically (as in less than 100 years ago, human beings from this time are still alive today) these minoritys have been oppressed, and there is still a LOOOOONG time and a LOT of work to do before they have equal standing in society, you can't just give women rights and expect them to automatically move up the rank equally as if there hasn't been hundreds of years of rhetoric about how women are inferior to men, just like you can't free the slave and expect him to have equal opportunities as his previous oppressors
>You acknowledged the point and then immediately confirmed that it is okay for racists to be racist
I must not have clarified, my apologies, what I had meant to say is that while women have the right to be cautious of men because men have the opportunity to change their toxic masculinity, they just often double down on misogyny, racists don't have justification to be racist as the problems that black people face are systematic, for example several of Robert Moses low clearance bridges that exist to prevent black people from moving to other city's through public transport (busses were too tall) are still up. Those bridges are still literally, physically there, and there are also still systematic pressures that cause, say committing 50% of crime despite being 13% of the population. This is because they are intentionally kept in poverty. Poverty is the cause of crime, not race.

>As you grow older your world view will naturally calcify
Ah, the old "you'll become more conservative as you get older" type argument
I intend to always try and keep my mind open to changing thought processes and progressive ideas, so it's unlikely I will ever be content with the status quo enough to not continually want it changed, similarly to always having an open mind about the diversity of humanity.
>the system is made of rational actors
Rationally in humanity is very, very rare, also life and reality isn't a "system," we just happen to live under a capitalist economy that prioritizes seeing people as numbers, charts, and graphs, and that's why there's so many issues people have with capitalism today, we aren't charts, graphs, and numbers.
>What ideological explanation models (problems rooted in patriarchy/misogyny/ideology) fundamentally fail to capture is basic game theory (people acting strategically and working together).
Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant by this, but are you saying that in order for problems like the patriarchy and misogyny, we need people to strategically organize and work together to address them? Sure, that happens all the time, and they're often broken up by people in positions of power who benefit from these systems
>women should be cautious of all men because a not insignificant amount of them actively chooses to be bad actors
Not just because of the amount of men who choose to be bad actors, but because of the amount of women who have experienced assault and harassment from men. Most of my friends are women, every single one of them and their friends have a story of being sexually harrased or assaulted or otherwise treated as lesser by a man sometime in their life (also including experiences such as being told as soon as they start puberty that they need to wear bras at home, around their say brother and father.)

>Points at the South
>Points at Israel
>Points at South Africa
>Points at every major city immigrant enclave
Not to imply Racism is le good, but the "they just don't actually interact with the people they hate" is fricking moronic The most vitriolic bigots tend to be those who live in close proximity to those they hate and it typically stems from a violent history either generationally or personally.

Mind "conservative" does not mean you will suddenly become right wing. It means you will find your mental energy frequently expended by things other than debating your fundamental world view.
> so it's unlikely I will ever be content with the status quo enough to not continually want it changed,
Oh many people will agree with you, then you ask them about what the status quo is and find that their view of the world has not changed since they were 25. But all of this is a tangent, not meant as an argument. It is a warning for things to come, just take my word for it for now.
>Rationally in humanity is very, very rare
you are being obtuse, anon. You clearly have never witnessed as much as office politics in real life, you lack a frame of reference. People can strategize and collude perfectly well.
>also life and reality isn't a "system,"
You said before you were bad at math, it shows that STEM is your weakness. You really should brush up your understanding of empirical and a priori sciences if you want to actually hold your ground. Yes, the universe in its entirety is a "system" of interacting things. It's not a matter of debate, this is basic academic vernacular.
>we just happen to live under a capitalist economy that prioritizes seeing people as numbers, charts, and graphs,
You have gaping holes in your education, anon. That is normal for your age, but the sheer level of ignorance you are romanticizing here with an anti-cap flavor is astounding. Learn some game theory. Learn what a nash equilibrium is. Look at the mathematical theory behind voting systems.
> we need people to strategically organize and work together to address them?
not quite, you must accept that any change you impose that is to the detriment of some individuals they will try to strategically subvert whatever change you impose to not be negatively affected, or even gain something. Take impact factors and the H-index as a measure of academic performance.

To expand on the voting system, there's genuinely not one good reason that in the yard 2024 we still have an electoral collage and don't just simply have a popular vote count, these are the UNITED States no? It makes more sense for every citizens vote to matter equally, rather than some states having better or worse odds based on its population
It's a system that served its purpose, but for years now has been incredibly outdated, and our continued insistence to keep using it is going to prove detrimental, just like capitalism.
>you must accept that any change you impose that is to the detriment of some individuals they will try to strategically subvert whatever change you impose to not be negatively affected, or even gain something.
That's why the people with the power to make changes shouldn't be in those positions nor have that power if they aren't going to hold it responsibly, see this is just a silly stupid little thought I had but maybe the only reason (ONLY) someone should be say a politician should be because they genuinely want to see change and progress and help the general whole of humanity. Otherwise, what the hell are we all doing here?

>Again, you lack life experience.
You sound a lot like my dad, no disrespect but he is genuinely racist on a lot of issues, his life experience has been as a carpenter for a union in some of the shittest, most scummy, poverty ridden places in Philly. I don't really argue with his beliefs anymore because I know where they come from, he's been lied to, stolen from, and harrased by black people. In the shittest, most scummy, poverty ridden places in Philly. Now see, that's where our perspectives change, he sees and has seen for all these years, ignorant and lazy people who don't know any better than to steal and lie and cheat because he assumes it's just their nature, why else would they live like this and not put in the work he has? However, due to what I've read, seen, and experience in my life I understand that these poverty areas are deliberately placed there by things such as red lining, it's deliberate poverty.
>That kind of stuff is social currency that can be cashed in as a small favor, such as arranging a phone call with her boss (whose time table she manages) at a for me strategically opportune moment.
It's one thing to pull this off as a little party trick, it's another to structure your life around doing this to people. This isn't how the normal, average person anticipates interactions, based on risk and rewards metrics and the trading value ect, it only seems to serve as just means to an end rather than human interaction and experience
>if you try to implement large, systemic changes based on a vague idea of the human condition you will only achieve failure. This is self evident.
Im afraid its not self evident, this may just be my ignorance, but I don't believe anyone at anytime has attempted to implement systematic change based off the human condition, especially since we only very recently have been able to go back that far and see what humans removed from current conditions were like

I mentioned "positions of power" such as the many time wasting committees that exist in academia and private enterprise for a plethora of reasons. Oftentimes they do have the power to make relevant decisions but at the same time they take a lot of energy to be in. If it is politically mandated that such committees have at least as many women as men in a male dominated field what happens is that every woman is burdened with several times as many obligations and titles. That of course means less time for the actual job they once originally applied for.

>Again, you lack life experience.
You sound a lot like my dad, no disrespect but he is genuinely racist on a lot of issues, his life experience has been as a carpenter for a union in some of the shittest, most scummy, poverty ridden places in Philly. I don't really argue with his beliefs anymore because I know where they come from, he's been lied to, stolen from, and harrased by black people. In the shittest, most scummy, poverty ridden places in Philly. Now see, that's where our perspectives change, he sees and has seen for all these years, ignorant and lazy people who don't know any better than to steal and lie and cheat because he assumes it's just their nature, why else would they live like this and not put in the work he has? However, due to what I've read, seen, and experience in my life I understand that these poverty areas are deliberately placed there by things such as red lining, it's deliberate poverty.
>That kind of stuff is social currency that can be cashed in as a small favor, such as arranging a phone call with her boss (whose time table she manages) at a for me strategically opportune moment.
It's one thing to pull this off as a little party trick, it's another to structure your life around doing this to people. This isn't how the normal, average person anticipates interactions, based on risk and rewards metrics and the trading value ect, it only seems to serve as just means to an end rather than human interaction and experience
>if you try to implement large, systemic changes based on a vague idea of the human condition you will only achieve failure. This is self evident.
Im afraid its not self evident, this may just be my ignorance, but I don't believe anyone at anytime has attempted to implement systematic change based off the human condition, especially since we only very recently have been able to go back that far and see what humans removed from current conditions were like

>You sound a lot like my dad, no disrespect
none taken.
> it's deliberate poverty.
I do agree, I just also
>It's one thing to pull this off as a little party trick, it's another to structure your life around doing this to people.
people have made entire careers out of this. A great deal of politics happening behind closed doors is PRECISELY this.
>This isn't how the normal, average person anticipates interactions
It is the social dynamics of management, and that is why it is so important. If you want to make it for example in academia you will learn that you are absolutely lost without networking.
> I don't believe anyone at anytime has attempted to implement systematic change based off the human condition
A great deal of changes are ideologically reasoned based on assumptions what people are like, but of course, the reason publicly given does not always coincide with the true political motivation. I feel like you got the idea of what I am saying here though, and I hope the perspective will be useful at least, that part was not meant to convince you per se, more just a remark.

>Epistemological rabbit holes aside, this kind of outlook works for many things, but at the end of the day you will not manage to argue with the parameters of the throwing parabola that connects the brick in my hand with your face. You either step out of the trajectory or you try to reason your incisors back into your mouth afterwards. If you see the complexity of real life and conclude that understanding simple models and subsystems is not worth the effort then you can forsake trying to reason at all, because either you live with simplifications to make a sustainable case grounded in reality or you axiomatically define your dogma as truth.
I think this is why I'd ultimately genuinely rather live with simplification. I understand your point, but jesus dial it back.
>Here, take these:
>https://ncase.me/ballot/
>https://ncase.me/trust/
>to see the power simple mathematical models can wield.
Thanks for that, bright colors and shapes have always been great at helping me learn things
>to realize that for a goal to make sense, there must be a path towards it from the here and now.
A lot of the most tremendous goals humanity has ever achieved were accidents, mistakes, just generally unplanned
The goal of sailing across the ocean was to get cool stuff from India, they didn't really have the path marked they just assumed things, and found the America's
Sure, this can have a negative effect like say trying to reach a positive goal but due to lack of planning falling into a negative pit, but as long as the goals stay positive, even if there isn't a set path the goal should eventually be reached, even if it'll take longer and be harder than living with a negative

I think I pretty much exhausted my usefulness to you now, it was fun. I can be harsh in my wording but I am always glad to see people look past that. Have a good one, anon.

>Epistemological rabbit holes aside, this kind of outlook works for many things, but at the end of the day you will not manage to argue with the parameters of the throwing parabola that connects the brick in my hand with your face. You either step out of the trajectory or you try to reason your incisors back into your mouth afterwards. If you see the complexity of real life and conclude that understanding simple models and subsystems is not worth the effort then you can forsake trying to reason at all, because either you live with simplifications to make a sustainable case grounded in reality or you axiomatically define your dogma as truth.
I think this is why I'd ultimately genuinely rather live with simplification. I understand your point, but jesus dial it back.
>Here, take these:
>https://ncase.me/ballot/
>https://ncase.me/trust/
>to see the power simple mathematical models can wield.
Thanks for that, bright colors and shapes have always been great at helping me learn things
>to realize that for a goal to make sense, there must be a path towards it from the here and now.
A lot of the most tremendous goals humanity has ever achieved were accidents, mistakes, just generally unplanned
The goal of sailing across the ocean was to get cool stuff from India, they didn't really have the path marked they just assumed things, and found the America's
Sure, this can have a negative effect like say trying to reach a positive goal but due to lack of planning falling into a negative pit, but as long as the goals stay positive, even if there isn't a set path the goal should eventually be reached, even if it'll take longer and be harder than living with a negative

Anon, I appreciate the LARP. It really makes me nostalgic for the days when I could kick back, find some SJW cringe and laugh at weirdos online.

Then you are sad and pathetic, that is not how humans are ment to live

It's always been normal for scumbags, don't expect to be respected by friends and family, manprostitute

I am a cis bi white man

Then you are sad and pathetic, that is not how humans are ment to live

It's always been normal for scumbags, don't expect to be respected by friends and family, manprostitute

I am a cis bi white man

IT'S AFRAID!!!

do YOU actually want an ai to be your girlfriend or are you more interested in spiting women?

I'm a brain damaged, autistic, and both sides of my family have huge anger problems. It's really hard not to lose my temper. Realistically all I want is someone to talk too because I can't talk to real people or I might hurt their feelings because I come from a line of spergs :^(

I appreciate your dedication to the bit Anon. It really does feel like the post a Tumblr tourist from 2012 would have made to "own the muh soggy knees". Really makes me nostalgic, thanks bro.

Kek, thanks for the new pic bro, here's one for you. Keep it up, this is a funny thread.

Sure bro, we all are. It's funny!

Just end your life, anon. You're definitely in pain. Life wasn't kind on you. Why continue enduring such a pointless burden? Right now, most people don't understand this, and, in their sense of moral superiority, they harm many people who are in pain, but, in the future, I hope we would had develop a more humane and understanding society in which assisted suicide for the psychologically ill would be possible. In the meantime, don't let anybody tell you that you shouldn't take out YOUR own life.

That's a respectable life goal. Hope you're living in America, because that's the place whose people deserve more suffering.

obviously not you, and a lot of others neither, escape when shit goes down.
But society wise the mindset and culture are just fricked.

Yeah but what did I personally do... specifically?

>, did I ask though?
essentially you did with your "IF you have that problem, just hit the gym bro", yes.
And you said it yourself, it is not just "hitting the gym".
> that make a lot excuses for being a sperg and get butthurt when others don't want to put up with it
what you said before. You yourself are not making excuses, you are struggling with really difficult shit. And it hurts, a lot even. Why would you say such garbage when YOU YOURSELF know how difficult it can be for a guy? Why shit on others? You are deserving of empathy for your situation, what makes you think others just need to work harder when you literally experience yourself that it is NOT THAT EASY YOU BUFFOON?

That's just drugs/religious conditioning/delusions from someone who's depressed.

So god made two people, fricked off for a couple hundred years, then came back got really pissed off because of all the moronic incest babys? That makes sense, but really puts the blame on god for being ignorant about incest not being good

Friendships are relationships

Not everyone lives with their romantic partner, not everyone has sex with their romantic partner, not everyone shares their budget with their partner, i do have friends that intimately coach me to get through hard times in my life or to self-improve and vice versa, and my continued friendships with people are decided by our ability to bond emotionally. World isn't black and white, pal

>not everyone has sex with their romantic partner,
Then it's not a romantic or intimate relationship, aka, not a relationship at all.
Holy shit, what fricking garbage are you typing, anon?

If a man and a women are married, neither one of them have super high sex drives, but still get on with it from time to time, find that as they grow even older they both have even less desire for sex and for the last 20 years of marriage mutually decide they don't really want or need to have sex, are they no longer in a relationship? Should they even be buried together? Are you saying you don't want elderly couples to be buried together if they weren't having sex? Fricking freak

Amazing how many people are so coombrain they can't fathom that there are people out there with low or even non existent sex drives, the world's a big place, open your mind a little you'll learn that you're not the at center of it

>not everyone has sex with their romantic partner, not everyone shares their budget with their partner

why wouldn't you balance finances with your spouse?