Self-aware irony has been weaponised to protect writers from criticism. Basically, if the writers laugh at themselves first, then the audience can't be the first to laugh at the shitty writing.
This video on the problem with Irony basically explains the problem and how we got to this point.
That's a nice primer on DFW, but most of the examples of recent sincerity cited in the vid are pretty bad (The Office, John Oliver, Rick & Morty). Sure, there's an element of false sincerity in a husk as soulless as John Oliver, but Rick & Morty? Its entire thesis is nihilism and distraction as cope.
Yeah, I agree with this sentiment. But the video still explains the problem of irony and self-deprecation in media much better than I could in a Cinemaphile post. People will accuse men of being "toxically masculine" in order to protect their own feelings. But the problem is that society as a whole has become afraid of being genuine, vulnerable and open to criticism.
>irony also evolved in the world at large
What you're talking about is just sarcasm or maybe bluster. The bastardized not-actually-textbook-definition-irony "irony" that we're discussing in media here wasn't being used by people throughout history by people engaging in communication.
I'm not saying you're wrong to call this out. Just that the phrasing seems like it's more recent a trend than the 20th century.
> it's more recent a trend than the 20th century.
never said it was ancient, it evolved slowly and then sped up harshly in the last, i'd say, 15 years or so at most
Irony, as it's used today, is more a problem of the post-modern movement that started in the 1950s and became much more commonplace by the 1990s. The generation that grew up with this trend in the 90s are the generation making media today.
>Smart people use a writing trope >It becomes popular with a niche if people >It becomes popular with a massive amount of people >Dumb people use the writing trope >Original niche now hates it >Massive amount of people slowly grow bored of it >Consensus is reached that the trope sucks >Original smart writers are now blamed for it >Original niche audience hates anything associated with it
The reddit effect
I'm glad to see the writing in the second Castlevania series is just as bad as it was in the first. But you got to admit, basic children gulp this piss down.
>But you got to admit, basic children gulp this piss down
people memed on the new show so hard it basically killed all interest
literally the only defense I see of it now is "I was so hyped when [character from game] showed up for 2 seconds!!"
Netflix does not have one SINGLE original show where the quality improved with subsequent seasons. If anyone tells you otherwise they're deliberately trying to fool you.
Man, I remember watching "the rain". It was about these 2 children who grew up in a bunker because of poisonous rain, they leave the bunker when they're young adults and everything goes to shit, their country turned into a big free for all full of gangs, cults and cannibals. Kinda shit but still a fun watch
Then season 3 rolls in and male protag gets black goo resident evil movies superpowers. Made me immediately turn it off and just pretend S2 ended when they got to the border
It's genuinely worse. And I didn't even like the first season much.
The weirdest thing about it is that I always blamed Ellis for this shit that plagued Castlevania since S1. Now that he fricked off it has gotten worse, how the frick does this shit even happen?
I still can't believe this new show is somehow worse than the last one
How the frick was Ellis the glue barely keeping this shit together?
I'm glad this shit flopped, the directors and producers are so fricking stupid and inept
basically the directors and producers got up their own ass and thought they were making gold just because some morons on twitter told them it was good
and then they hired obvious diversity hires to write the new show but none of them are good at writing and just inserted their own ideological bullshit into it
They genuinely thought they could do whatever they wanted as long as people praised the animation but even that looks like shit
It just seems like once Ellis was gone, they genuinely did not know what to do but they still wanted to make a SOTN season and make seasons for Soma as well and thought they would be just fine without Ellis
Except now the show is even bigger fanfiction than before and the writers completely ruined any potential the story could've had even if they backpedal on whatever dumb shit is there
I personally blame the directors for being so spineless and just letting this shit get this way, maybe they should've spent less time simping for fanartists and actually worked on their show
tl;dr the higher ups at Netflix and Powerhouse are moronic and don't know what they're doing
Gonna shill this here, watch Lastman or Pantheon, please give proper animation shows attention, not shit like this that's made to virtue-signal and accomplish nothing.
I still can't believe this new show is somehow worse than the last one
How the frick was Ellis the glue barely keeping this shit together?
I'm glad this shit flopped, the directors and producers are so fricking stupid and inept
I really don't know why consumers fear AI when so many scripts already feel like they're written by bots with blatant plagiarism. I understand why artists and writers fear it-- but how the frick are people going, "NOOOO AI HAS NO SOUL" when a few years ago, people were shitty on Thundercats Roar for just being a CalArts beanmouth cashgrab?
The writers couldn't up with something actually good so they went with the lazy way
Joss Weadon curse.
Self-aware irony has been weaponised to protect writers from criticism. Basically, if the writers laugh at themselves first, then the audience can't be the first to laugh at the shitty writing.
This video on the problem with Irony basically explains the problem and how we got to this point.
That's a nice primer on DFW, but most of the examples of recent sincerity cited in the vid are pretty bad (The Office, John Oliver, Rick & Morty). Sure, there's an element of false sincerity in a husk as soulless as John Oliver, but Rick & Morty? Its entire thesis is nihilism and distraction as cope.
Yeah, I agree with this sentiment. But the video still explains the problem of irony and self-deprecation in media much better than I could in a Cinemaphile post. People will accuse men of being "toxically masculine" in order to protect their own feelings. But the problem is that society as a whole has become afraid of being genuine, vulnerable and open to criticism.
>Kills himself because he's so sick of meta commentary.
Damn
it's interesting and true, irony also evolved in the world at large, not just art, as a way to protect oneself and one's own feelings
>irony also evolved in the world at large
What you're talking about is just sarcasm or maybe bluster. The bastardized not-actually-textbook-definition-irony "irony" that we're discussing in media here wasn't being used by people throughout history by people engaging in communication.
I'm not saying you're wrong to call this out. Just that the phrasing seems like it's more recent a trend than the 20th century.
there's a difference between sarcasm and irony
> it's more recent a trend than the 20th century.
never said it was ancient, it evolved slowly and then sped up harshly in the last, i'd say, 15 years or so at most
Irony, as it's used today, is more a problem of the post-modern movement that started in the 1950s and became much more commonplace by the 1990s. The generation that grew up with this trend in the 90s are the generation making media today.
>Smart people use a writing trope
>It becomes popular with a niche if people
>It becomes popular with a massive amount of people
>Dumb people use the writing trope
>Original niche now hates it
>Massive amount of people slowly grow bored of it
>Consensus is reached that the trope sucks
>Original smart writers are now blamed for it
>Original niche audience hates anything associated with it
The reddit effect
>and and
Did a kid write this
It's just a form of speech anon
It's basically dismissing the mentioned aspects as rambling
Insecure writers
Anon, pointing out where writting should be better counts as better wriitting everybody knows that
I'm glad to see the writing in the second Castlevania series is just as bad as it was in the first. But you got to admit, basic children gulp this piss down.
>But you got to admit, basic children gulp this piss down
people memed on the new show so hard it basically killed all interest
literally the only defense I see of it now is "I was so hyped when [character from game] showed up for 2 seconds!!"
Who owns the studios?
HE WOULDN'T FRICKING SAY THAT
I FRICKING HATE SHITFLIXVANIA
He wouldn't.
>gets told Netflixvania's writing improved
>6 years later the characters still spew lines like this
Netflix does not have one SINGLE original show where the quality improved with subsequent seasons. If anyone tells you otherwise they're deliberately trying to fool you.
Bojack.
Man, I remember watching "the rain". It was about these 2 children who grew up in a bunker because of poisonous rain, they leave the bunker when they're young adults and everything goes to shit, their country turned into a big free for all full of gangs, cults and cannibals. Kinda shit but still a fun watch
Then season 3 rolls in and male protag gets black goo resident evil movies superpowers. Made me immediately turn it off and just pretend S2 ended when they got to the border
It's genuinely worse. And I didn't even like the first season much.
The weirdest thing about it is that I always blamed Ellis for this shit that plagued Castlevania since S1. Now that he fricked off it has gotten worse, how the frick does this shit even happen?
basically the directors and producers got up their own ass and thought they were making gold just because some morons on twitter told them it was good
and then they hired obvious diversity hires to write the new show but none of them are good at writing and just inserted their own ideological bullshit into it
They genuinely thought they could do whatever they wanted as long as people praised the animation but even that looks like shit
It just seems like once Ellis was gone, they genuinely did not know what to do but they still wanted to make a SOTN season and make seasons for Soma as well and thought they would be just fine without Ellis
Except now the show is even bigger fanfiction than before and the writers completely ruined any potential the story could've had even if they backpedal on whatever dumb shit is there
I personally blame the directors for being so spineless and just letting this shit get this way, maybe they should've spent less time simping for fanartists and actually worked on their show
tl;dr the higher ups at Netflix and Powerhouse are moronic and don't know what they're doing
Blame autistic cartoon reviewers. They thought they were making cartoons better but they only made them worse.
I always wanted a Simon Belmont version.... but thank God they didn't make it. Simon would just swear one word after another.
Gonna shill this here, watch Lastman or Pantheon, please give proper animation shows attention, not shit like this that's made to virtue-signal and accomplish nothing.
I still can't believe this new show is somehow worse than the last one
How the frick was Ellis the glue barely keeping this shit together?
I'm glad this shit flopped, the directors and producers are so fricking stupid and inept
I really don't know why consumers fear AI when so many scripts already feel like they're written by bots with blatant plagiarism. I understand why artists and writers fear it-- but how the frick are people going, "NOOOO AI HAS NO SOUL" when a few years ago, people were shitty on Thundercats Roar for just being a CalArts beanmouth cashgrab?
You're confusing twitter with consumers
If you have a perfect crafted well timed insult you would use it. This is the same cope as saying the dog are my homework
Because the writers want to make the obvious lack of talent less obvious.
Millennial writing.
Genre literacy and self-awareness are treated as good things for characters to have in fiction, within the Millennial mind.