Why does Warner Brothers even bother with a DCEU or other superhero movies when all they really want to be is a Batman movie factory? Cut the charade already, nobody will cry if they butcher a Martian Manhunter origin movie. We all know WB just wants to make rogue galley movies on a small budget.
They want a Batman universe but people would get sick of having Batman movies every year (see Snoy's Spider-Man Cinematic Universe being mostly flops). Which is why they're trying to get their other trash DC properties to work with no success.
James Gunn will be no different.
>(see Snoy's Spider-Man Cinematic Universe being mostly flops)
Out of the three movies they released so far, only one flopped.
The next 3 will flop
To make a Batverse after spending this long trying to make general DC one is tantamount to admission that DC's brand is weaker than Marvel's given the MCU is still limping along. For investor confidence-related reasons, this is unacceptable.
just make the other characters likeable
some random douche online could do a better job than these imbeciles
and people say copyright helps maintain quality, lmao
what a joke, WB is such a dogshit company
Because they want to copy Marvel's success, where they can just shit out five movies a year and make billions of dollars in pure profit.
Too bad superhero fatigue killed it.
It wasn't superhero fatigue. The problem is that they saw how big the Avengers movies were and jumped straight to that. The solo outings did fine. People liked Man Of Steel, Wonder Woman was widely praised, hell, even fricking AQUAMAN is a genuine success. But they fricked it super early on with the SECOND MOVIE, where they introduce Batman, Wonder Woman, and even a minor cameo with Flash all at once, and then fricking kill Superman.
They did The Death Of Superman in the SECOND. FILM.
Then fricking Justice League happens and they have to introduce Cyborg, Flash, and Aquaman, revive Superman, and handle all that interpersonal bullshit while also juggling the standard End Of The World scenario.
Frick Snyder.
It's not "superhero fatigue", DCEU is just shit and MCU got lazy after the mega-success of Avengers. Disney thought that success meant they could just throw out whatever and it would always sell, they're learning that very much isn't the case.
As always, just make good movies and people will come. Studios always forget this, especially after a little success.
>It's not "superhero fatigue", DCEU is just shit and MCU got lazy
So it's superhero fatigue...
No. You make a new RDJ iron Man movie or a spider-man movie and people would flock right to it.
No, you moron, "superhero fatigue" refers to audiences getting tired of superhero movies. I'm talking about the other side, the production side. What happened is the studios let their quality slip (or never had any to begin with in the DCEU's case) expecting the same success they had before. They thought they could just churn o0ut anything and they'd automatically have hits. They're wrong, audiences stopped going to see their mediocre slop. But if they tried to make genuinely good movies again, audiences would show up.
>"superhero fatigue" refers to audiences getting tired of superhero movies.
And that's literally what's happening. 6 capeshit films flopped last year. Guardians 3 made less than Guardians 2. The only success was Spider-Verse and that still tapped out at only 700 million. The good and bad movies are both suffering.
>People still flocking to Spiderman movies
Madam Webb is opening to 20 million in two weeks.
Madam Webb isn't fricking Spider-man
It's a Spider-Man Universe movie.
People want Spider-man in their spider-man movie.
People still flocking to Spiderman movies, The Boys doing well, and The Batman 2 will probably be successful means that it's not really superhero fatigue. People are just more aware of lamer superhero content and avoid it.
Damn it
>we want a multimedia multiverse like Marvel, so comsoomers have an incentive to buy/ watch every new product to be up to date
>we dont want to spend 10 years to slowly establish it first
This. They could have fricking outsold marvel if they wanted to, they've got enough stories and reasonably well known characters for it. But they got stupid and tried to jump directly for 'Avengers' instead of building up from 'Iron Man 1'
Only because they tripped out the gate with Green Lantern and then Man of Steel had a harsh second week drop and poor legs despite a breaker of an opening and a ton of interest. People didn't care about GL but they wanted Superman and were hyped to see Superman and opening weekend, people went to see Superman. Then they saw Superman snapping necks and the normie public decided they didn't care as much. Same thing happened with BvS.
They tried, they really did, but every attempt faceplanted.
>>we dont want to spend 10 years to slowly establish it first
10 years into the MCU it was basically at it's peak with Endgame after a wave of ups and downs(people forget a lot of people called fatigue by Phase 2)
DC really just needed to put 4 years into build up, but they were THAT impatient
Because it's what the suits want
>WB just wants to make rogue galley movies on a small budget.
bruh, The Batman was like $200M budget.
I'm talking "Joker but with other villains" movies.
You can't do Joker with other villains, because they're not as compelling without having Batman. Even The Penguin show still has a Battinson cameo.
Marvel did Venom without Spiderman. CEOs don't care.
>Marvel did Venom without Spiderman
Those movies suck ass and have diminishing returns
Not a Batman villain (frick you Rocksteady) but Deathstroke would make for an excellent stand-alone movie.
An adaptation of The Hunted or The Professional would work. You could use Nightwing or write around his and the Titans small appearances in the arcs.
Are they still doing the GCPD show? If it's an adaptation of Gotham Central it could be really good.
>We all know WB just wants to make rogue galley movies on a small budget.
They tried that with Birds of Prey and managed to flop all the same.
You mean the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn?
Yeah, I wonder why that could have flopped.
It's still baffling that WB went all fricking in on Harley being the NEXT BIG THING! because she had one successful thing with Suicide Squad, who's marketing also heavily featured the Joker, to the point where she got her own teamup movie and then the sequel to her one successful movie with her majorly featured instead of the joker and at the same time they greenlit a 4 season series based on her shitting on the Joker and a Suicide Squad game in the Arkhamverse with her as the main lead(Jesus that thing's been in development since 2017...) and ALL OF THEM FLOPPED/will flop in the games case.
Meanwhile Joker causally strolls in with a 50 million movie and makes more money than Batman.
they should make that Metal Men movie
There's not a chance in Hell they could have pulled off a Guardians of the Galaxy "make characters no one's ever heard of popular" move. It won't happen twice, it worked the one time because of the novelty.
Why the hell is the DCEU so fricking shit man?
I'm a boomer and I rewatched the animated DC universe like Batman TAM, Superman TAM, Justice League, Batman Beyond and Justice League Unlimited. That is MILES better than the live action shitshow we got. What the hell happened? Does Warner Bros just not give a frick?
animated and live action are two entirely different departments. Animated was built from the ground up in the 90s and early 2000s while live action is primarily rooted in WB/CW production (which is trash) and one-off film producers (which is a random roll of whatever the current Hollywood zeitgeist is (so trash)).
Which means DCEU gets some of the most godawful planning and writing in western media
Other posts above have already explained what happened: WB wanted the success of the MCU without putting in the work to build the franchise. They assumed they could just slap anything together and the strength of their characters would automatically reap those billion dollar box offices like Marvel was getting.