Why doesn't DC use him more?
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Why doesn't DC use him more?
Why doesn't DC use him more?
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Because Terry is a shit character who only works in the DCAU
What do you think makes him shit?
He's boring and needs Bruce's help 90% other then like a hand few of episodes.
They did a decade ago and failed every time. Terry belongs in the 90s DCAU.
he's from the future while the main DC stuff is set in the present
Some run's set in the future?
That’s set on Earth 12 anon which is also the DCAU
That only ruins it
Because it takes place after Bruce Wayne retires and capeshit is stuck in status quo so it never happens
The circumstances he exists him are frankly kind of depressing and circumstantial. Its fine as an AU but its hard to capture the lightning in a bottle again.
Because the design only works on that specific artstyle
What? It’s just a matter of using the correct material, lighting, and physique. Terry is strong, but was never meant to be the jacked behemoth Bruce Wayne is so it looks weird on him. Second, since it’s a video game they can obviously reproduce the silhouettish- look of the animated suit if they wanted to, but weren’t trying here.
Arkham Cities' Beyond suit is the best interpretation of it. It has armor in the threads itself so it appears lean instead of bulky. The mouth-piece is debatable, but Batwoman exists, so it's up to the imagination.
Just as long as it doesn't look like Knight's Beyond suit.
I think the lips are really the hardest thing to pull off with the design in 3D. But I am not too sure on if just removing the mouth like some do or leaving it open is a fix.
What if the suit is a synthetic polymer like Spiderman's black symbiote suit? The imprint on the mouth isn't visible. Only when his mouth opens, you can see it. But then they'd have to CGI his suit if they did a live-action movie.
Could work, and would fit well, you never really see the mouth when the suit is off like when on display so might be a good way to pull it off.
This is what I'd go with, though maybe even a step further and make most of the suit a wearable display/screen, you could render eyes and a mouth without having to deal with lips at all
The suit already has an invisibility setting, might as well play with light as much as you can
I think that's implied, Deanna is a young adult and Inque seems to be on the younger side, though considering her powerset she's probably ageless so it's hard to tell
>make most of the suit a wearable display/screen, you could render eyes and a mouth without having to deal with lips at all
Based and cyberpunk kino.
Inque is late 30s, early 40s MILF. She's been around and was surprised to hear The Batman came back in Neo Gotham after his retirement.
Orrr, what if, instead of using some ultra rendered 3D that's gonna look ugly in a few years, they use a really stylized cel-shaded look to capture the art style?
I wish more comic based games tried a style like this. Ultimate Spider-man isn't perfect visually, but I think it works better for stylized heroes that "everything so realistic you see skin ours" style
I mean yeah if you are doing vidya that would probably be the best option.
>they use a really stylized cel-shaded look to capture the art style?
They did. And even though I love this show, it still bombed and got forgotten harder than Beyond.
I thought the discussion is more about the games, though, and that isn't cel-shaded. cel shading is more like the hard lighting style used in Jet set Radio/Future and LoZ The Wind Waker. The harder, flatter shading helps detail things with a distinctly drawn look as opposed to aiming for realistic textures. BTB was more cartoony proportions with realistic textures.
Bro, that is cel shading. Even cel shaded cartoons come in different styles so not all of them are ripping off of Wind Waker. Most gamecube games come to mind. Even Splatoon, DBFighterZ, and WB Multiversus are cell-shaded without following your example. BtB is cell-shaded with a softer touch on the lighting.
why is batman's head shaped like a brainlet wojak?
It looks better as an anime. CGI is ugly no matter what form it takes.
My point was that might be the best interpretation to date, but not the best it can be made in 3D. It can obviously be made to look way better, even 1:1. They just did the best they could have on an engine not designed for it.
You mean the artstyle for the Arkham games wasn't designed for it. Timm's artstyle can be done with Arkham's code if they just tried.
They could *make* it look better than that sure, but they’d have better luck with a new engine for a more cartoony, angular, flatter artsyle altogether altogether
He had a book that was pretty decent but then they killed him and replaced him with young Tim Drake or some shit so now he’s a bit difficult to work back in.
Because DC hates him. They don't like the idea of Bruce not being Batman until he dies.
They REALLY don't like the idea of Bruce aging or having a visible timeline. He'll fight Joker for 20 years, remember it all the robins that passed, and still be 30ush.
pic related even jokes about this.
We say "they" but I've seen a lot of posters here hate the idea of Batman getting older, saying "who wants to read about a 40 year old Batman?"
I'd like to read about a 40 year old Batman. It'd be interesting to see what fights what do to his body going into decline.
Some villains like Bane and Harley aged like shit compared to him. Clayface, Ivy, and Penguin must've died around these years.
And canonically, Batman fought against a younger Inque and met Derek Powers way back before he retired. I'd like to read more about how these Beyond villains started up to replace the old ones.
Does make me wonder which rogues are still alive. Was Harley, Bane, and Freeze the only ones shown?
Also Ra's al Ghul (kinda)
Catwoman disappeared. Bruce referenced her once in Beyond.
Croc, Scarecrow, Riddler, and Two-Face are just gone.
Penguin's mob and business corps are gone.
Man Bat's legacy lives on through Splicer technology.
Clayface should've been immortal. But Deanna Clay, Inque's daughter exists. And Inque gave her body to an experimental body morphing lab for money, similar to Clayface's chemical accident. So...
Weird part is, none of the Titans except Dick Grayson appeared. Bruce hasn't kept in contact with anyone except Barbara. Commissioner Gordon is confirmed dead.
There's also the justice league which we don't get much of. We know John and Shiera both got together and their son joined the league. Superman still doing what he does, but oddly I would assume Diana would still be alive same with J'onn. And hearing nothing from Wally.
Actually now I'm trying to think about Unlimiteds cast too. Out of that Red Tornado, Captain Marvel, Dr. Fate, Supergirl, Power Girl, Mister Miracle, Metamorpho, and Captain Atom I can all see reasonably being alive.
>Weird part is, none of the Titans except Dick Grayson appeared.
We call it the DCAU and all, but before JL(and hell, even through JLU) there really wasn't that much of a plan on how this world was built. They just used what they could.
Starfire would've been a better choice for the future JLU than Barda, though. But that was the first League they could do after 9 years
I don't get why Wonder Woman would retire out of the Justice League. No Amazonians in Beyond's JL was strange. So I understand why Starfire or future Raven could be a good replacement.
Static Shock at least retcons that so that Wonder Woman is still an active future JLU member . But the meta answer is, they didn't have the WW rights for Beyond.
Oh yeah there was a lot of odd WW rights issues in the DCAU.
One of the recent final issues of the Beyond comics has WW showing up, right when it got cancelled. Hopefully the new series this year looks into her role in the future.
Damn she's looking good for her age.
Don't forget about Alfred kicking the bucket.
>And canonically, Batman fought against a younger Inque
When did this happen ? I don't remember it mentioned in the show. Also, a younger inque ?!
Was she a teen mom or something?
Inque was one of the villains Bruce had on his personal database. After retiring, he expected Interpol to capture her years later. He also knew her weakness to water, but didn't tell Terry, because he wanted him to learn how to think for himself.
In the DCAU, Inque lived in the slums and gave herself up to one of Gotham's experimental labs for money right after her daughter was born. She was already "on the run" and couldn't take her baby with her when she started her assassin job. Her daughter is in her early 20s.
Batman Beyond canonically takes place 20 years after the events of Batman the Animated Series. Justice League Unlimited was 15 years before Beyond.
So Inque, The Royal Flush Gang, and Derek Powers were all running around during the events of Justice League Unlimited.
Which is funny when Dark Knight Returns is so popular.
the age thing is always weird since he's the one hero in particular where it was very easy to track his age, at least until the new 52 time crunch. It's also one of his most compelling aspects when combined with his influences on things around him over the years. Hell one of his main inner conflicts after knightfall was acknowledging that he was no longer in his prime and wondering if he still had it to get back to batman level. Stuff like that and future proofing the whole operation really give flavor to his character arc but it generally gets lost in the void because they must milk his character forever
>Robin: too dark
Is he really more dark than any other batfamily origin?
kinda? His origin revolves around Bruce failing, severing many of his old ties, and being a bitter old man with nu-gotham still being a shithole. Then his dad gets killed which is kind standard bat stuff, but it turns out that he wasn't really his dad because he ran into the wrong doctor who pumped him full of Bruce juice. That's pretty depressing for a super hero story
Ironically, it's not really dark at all compared to regular batman. It just exposes Bruce's crusade for the self-destructive horrible life that it is.
Terry and old Bruce only work under a specific scenario that can't and shouldn't happen in the main comics without feeling super forced. That just leaves AUs which get no consistent love in general
Writers at the big two tend to want to frick over existing characters in order to promote their OCs. Terry has a fanbase from the DCAU that won't give any comics a sideways glance if it isn't respectful of the show and its characters. Not sure why he isn't used in new cartoons, live action or videogames though.
They keep trying, they just keep failing as well so nothing ever catches on.
Because being iconic and popular is more important than being good.
Because people who like Batman don't want to be remembered they're going to be old. Same reason why Bruce was aged when one of his writers felt insecure over being older than him.
TELL ME WHY?
Because if they could write without the crutch of their more popular legacy characters, they wouldn't be writing for fricking Detective Comics.
Because Terry's existence more or less depends on Jason Todd never happening, so that joker would skip directly to Tim.
Its an alternate timeline that can't occur in the prime one due to this.
Why does Bruce eventually alienating all of those around him need to hinge on that event?
>Bruce eventually alienating all of those around him need to hinge on that event?
It wasn't just that. He was fixated on fixing Gotham to the point where his health declined, his friends left him, Selena Kyle went for another man, he never settled with Barbara, and the few heroes and villains he ever talked to ditched him or died.
Bruce's post-midlife was rather sad. Alfred died and that was his only friend. Then he lost his company to Powers with no one (except Terry) to inherit it. Even Ace the Bathound died and got replaced by a new one.
And we all know, Batman doesn't settle good with the concept of death to those close to him.
But that's kind of the thing, is all that really incompatible with mainline Bruce? Only real thing that I feel you would need to rectify is what happened Damian.
If a reboot happened. I guess they'd use Damian to be Future Joker. But that would require writing everyone around him as an excuse not to hangout in Neo Gotham's shithole.
>is all that really incompatible with mainline Bruce?
Another guess is that most heroes and villains got caught in Motherbox shenanigans or another timeline/universe crisis by Flash, so that would explain why he and many other speedsters disappeared. Knowing DC, they'll lazily contain Beyond as an alternate universe stuck in the DCAU if they ever revive it.
The thing is, the DCAU writers sort of stopped really paying mind to Batman comics after the late 80's. They didn't seem to like Knightfall, and that's responsible for largely patching up the relationship between Dick and Bruce in the comics. The writers still used the idea that Dick and Bruce were on tense terms in TNBA that was what there status quo was post-Crisis up until Tim's introduction, but didn't entirely heal until Batman chose Azrael over Dick to replace him because he didn't want to push it on him.
makes a lot of good points. There really was no modern Batfamily until Knightfall's ending established the Batman/Robin/Nightwing trinity. And hate the modern batfam if you want, its hard to believe he'd alienate all of them. When push comes to shove, comic Dick was upset Bruce didn't consider him to help keep the mantle alive first, Tim would probably make sure things were alright, Babs doens't have the..questionable history with Vruce she has in the DCAU to leave him, Cass is really loyal, and Damian sees Batman as his birthright.
You ever get the feeling like the writers really wanted to make Bruce miserable because they thought that’s what equaled good story telling on top of letting them get away with the more questionable shit.
I mean at the end of the day, the story hinges on Bruce being lonely and having given up on Batman, or life in general.Fans tend to not like the idea of Bruce giving up without dying or suffering greatly. I remember TDKR's ending getting a ton of backlash because people couldn't believe Bruce retiring and walking away happy.
>I remember TDKR's ending getting a ton of backlash because people couldn't believe Bruce retiring and walking away happy.
That’s because the ending was moronic as hell.
Bruce should have gotten nuked.
Bruce can only retire after Gotham is cured of it's crime infestation. Which is never.
After losing everyone around him and having Superman be the only crew he knows at the Justice League, no wonder he became a bitter old man. I'm surprised he didn't gone mad and turned into a villain.
>he never settled with Barbara
Timm your ship is fricking terrible.
Hey, crippled sex with her was endgame. Just sayin.
Tim getting Fricked joker style removes the joker (One of Batman's primary villain motivators) while also driving him to push away the rest of the batfamily due to the trauma of it.
Unlike Todd where he was able to bury him and somewhat close on that (until he returned), Tim was mentally and emotionally traumatized into a literal shell that was still THERE, being a constant reminder of "This person's life is shit because of you", with him needing physical and psychiatric care that put a point on the cost.
because it straight up doesn't make sense unless you literally undo all of his character development. Jason -> Tim -> Knightfall creates a scenario that pretty much makes the original Terry scenario impossible. Bruce recognizes and understands the importance of his allies and that they will carry on the fight after he's gone. None of that happens in DCUA. Jason never happens, he never really makes up with Dick, he never gets destroyed by Bane and faces his mortality on that level etc.
this isn't even touching the Waller nonsense
He doesn't fit into the shared universe because it's set in the far future. They can't have him show up in crossovers, team ups, or guest appearances without using time travel.
>They can't have him show up in crossovers, team ups, or guest appearances without using time travel.
One word. Motherbox.
So is the whole Future's End robot apocalypse thing still canon to the recent Batman Beyond comic? They just kinda threw an older Tim into the timeline then removed him via the whole Mr. Oz thing and Terry went back to being Batman and the world just went back to normal completely.
It's an alternate timeline in the future. But so far, none of the comics are canon to the DCAU. Not even the tie-in ones that try to build from the lore of the cartoon.
Ah an ALTERNATE alternate future. Man comics are hard.
It's like Trunk's alternate future timelines in DBZ. It's stupid, but it allows for multiple stories instead of changing universes like a Spider-man comic.
Ugh. BRANCHING timelines?
The ones from a decade ago that had an older Dick and a whole Superman Beyond comic were enjoyable. Sucks they didn't keep going with that.
I enjoyed Batwoman Beyond and Blight's return, even though I wish Blight didn't have to rip off Mr. Freeze and immediately die again.
The last time DC used Batman Beyond, the killed off Terry and replaced him with Tim.
Close but no. That was an alternate younger-than-Beyond Tim from an alternate past and Terry was alive and brainwashed by Spellbinder.
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It's as moronic as it sounds, and that Tim from Future's End immediately got de-personed and forgotten when DC was trying to push Mr. Oz(Jor-El) and had him capture Prime Tim, which somehow just erased this other Tim from existence.
why tho?
There's a weird history on Tim being Batman Beyond in the comics because Jeph Loeb forgot he was named Terry and not Tim when he wrote Batman/Superman.
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What villains of Batman got a spiritual successor that Terry took on? Like how Inque was the Clayface of future Gotham.
Spellbinder feels like a mix between Scarecrow and Mad Hatter
It's schway