Why don't superheroes sound laconic anymore?Modern dialogue is all quippy and zany like some stoner comedy skit.
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Why don't superheroes sound laconic anymore?Modern dialogue is all quippy and zany like some stoner comedy skit.
they think it sounds realistic and relatable. It also fills up time and gets them out of drawing shit
>Why don't superheroes sound laconic anymore?
they never did, unless superman going "great rao, look at this technobabble" counted as laconic
>Modern dialogue is all quippy and zany like some stoner comedy skit.
people prefer naturalistic dialogue
nobody actually talks like sarah connor in real life, people sound more like john connor
>in real life, people
So? Hal and Batman talking like teen girls is realistic?
>never seen their co-workers having inane seinfeldian conversations
i would find it harder to believe that flash and superman have never just argued for 20 minutes straight about cavemen and astronauts in the watch tower break room
Shouldn't superheroes act like mythic beings you want to inspire to be like the "ideal",etc, not your homosexual coworkers moron
>Shouldn't superheroes act like mythic beings
kingdom come was a bad future where everything went breasts up because the superheroes decided to forgo their humanity and protect the earth from above like gods
and the climax of the story is them stepping back down to be among humanity once again and with the last panel being superman, batman, and wonder woman eating at a diner and shooting the shit
present day, non dystopian, superman would just be like your next door neighbor who would be down to exchange pumpkin pie recipes as long as there isnt anyone begging for help that same moment
>superman, batman, and wonder woman eating at a diner and shooting the shit
I suppose so but their dialogue sounded organic like how middle aged people would talk, modern dialogue doesn't organic, its very forced and zany.
Why should they?
Because it's fun
There's nothing natural about it.
Teen girls don't talk like that either.
>people prefer naturalistic dialogue
What people? I'm completely okay with short witty phrases unless it is some kind of Hellblazer or Sandman.
ZERE VILL BE NEIN FUN IN MEIN COMIC BOOKS
COMICS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS, SCHWEINHUND
Acting like self insert low t man children isn't realistic or fun you wienersucker glad comics are dying if homosexuals like you prop up this garbage
I hate every writer that does this. wienergobblers will call it "fun", too.
>Tom Taylor
>Tom King
>Matt Fraction
>Brian Michael Bendis
>Brian K. Vaughan
>Mark Russell
>Jeremy Adams
>most current female writers
Who else?
Grr, yes, all characters should be super serious, comic books are serious business, nerr, muh autisms are triggered!
if anything, superheroes arent quippy enough
we need to bring back long winded combat insults
There are more flavors to dialogue than cheesy dogshit quipfests and overly serious droning.
No, they're far too quippy.
>No, they're far too quippy.
or not enough
peak punisher was him making puns and one-liners in a total deadpan manner
>nice rhino, good team up
>good worker, kept his nose to the grindstone
>no, you i would have to roll
That wasn't a comic, you moron.
Still a comic book character, autist.
>Grr
have a nice day homosexual
You are defending the shit that caused sales to collapse. Eat shit.
This entire conversation is congruous with sexually active men
Considering those male writers probably take it up the ass it's not my kinda sexual
Do you seriously think those dorks get laid? AT ALL?
yeah they probably frick
I frick and think their writing is dogshit homosexual tier
Bendis's "daughters" are black. He's probably never even fricked his own wife. Fraction is a well known literal kuk. The rest are presumably the same.
Clint Eastwood got more pussy than those gays combined in one lifetime and he knew how to write and direct strong laconic male dialogue
Mark waid
Some of his characters definitely fall under this.
I don't even like Mark Waid, but he's nowhere near as bad about that kind of stuff.
>>Tom King
>>Matt Fraction
Michael Bendis
K. Vaughan
>>Mark Russell
Adams
we used to love these ones years and years ago.
I didn't, though Vaughan's earlier stuff is pretty good.
>laconic
Cue half the board not knowing what this word means.
You probably don't either, gay.
come on, most of us have probably spent some time on tvtropes
>laconic
you mean like OP's image, right?
Quips and jokes are fine. It's only a problem when the writer gets so enamoured of them that they have every character making the same sort of quips continuously; since everyone ends up sounding the same. Different characters should talk differently; it's not that complex.
the real answer is that they no longer speak out loud
Modern adult writers are basically children.
Please don't fall for the bait. It's a false flag.
Nobody that initiates arguments about that style of dialogue here actually enjoys it.
Shit thread by a moron that doesn't read comics. They're way more laconic now than they used to be back in the day when they were basically narrating everything they did and felt.
Women in creative roles
Superheroes were written to basically be a little boys idea of a macho guy (so basically a cowboy).
And written to explain a plot that the writer only has 8-22 pages to start and finish
Now they are written by middle aged men for other Middle Ages men to fill up 5 issues so you need a lot of meaningless chatter
what are you talking about, superheroes used to talk way more often
silver age heroes were chatterboxes who could spout two paragraphs in the time it took to fall from the second story
Stick to old comics. They're better drawn too.
It's written by children now
Everything in this image looks terrible though. Top and bottom. But the squirrel girl panel actually isn’t terribly drawn it’s just the writing that sucks.
Henderson’s art is somewhat of a pleb filter even if it isn’t remarkable. Same people probably think rossmo or tradd moore stink.
Joss Whedon single handedly ruined character dialogue.
BKV and Bendis had already been doing this dogshit before whedon. Whedon started doing it was Buffy which, given the characters are teenage girls, at least makes more sense then 30-40 year old men.
This genuinely reads like an old AIM chat between teenagers. Just missing some dated emoticons.
>I need a cave... -_-;
Either this is Bendis himself, or Bendisspeak has metastasized like the fricking cancer it is
You must love the awful fricking "everything I say is very serious and cool" style of dialogue found in e.g. Dune.
People love to call whats in the OP 'naturalistic dialog', but I have never once heard someone repeat the entire previous sentence I just said them them back at me in the form of a question. And comics dialog does that constantly.
Maybe I just don't use twitter enough and this sort of 'dialog' is very common there, I dunno. But this kind of dialog is just as unrealistic to me as them talking like stage performers is, but at least the stage performance version had character and value in those long winded monologues. This new style of dialog just makes every character, regardless of age or sex, sound like a teenage girl.
I agree but I’d also say ~20 years of this shit mean it’s not all that new. Though it is worse now. Writers like King and Taylor have the characters not just talking like teenage girls but acting like them. It’s what people are pointing out when the Trinity are crouching around eating burgers or Nightwing is acting all giddy like a drunk high school girl about pizza. They infantilize the characters to a remarkable degree.
I like to think that they are trying to make the characters be endearing, but have no idea how to do so.
the issue for me would be that almost all characters have the same way of talking
being quippy isn't bad if you can contrast it to an other characters more stoic way of conversing
>if you can contrast it to an other characters more stoic way of conversing
I've seen that done and it fricking sucks. We need good writers, period, and a quipster needs to be used in moderation or not at all.
Exhibit- men struggle with the fact that the comics they read are intended for children.
>comics they read are intended for children
they aren't, though, these writers don't write this dialogue for kids, they write it for adults who want to think they're hip by reading ironically irreverent dialogue.
How would you rewrite this to make feel more in-line with their personalities? Here’s my attempt:
>Hal: Dinosaur Island!
>Bats: You know, I‘ve always had a fascination by these creatures since I was a child.
>Hal: Really? Batman loves dinosaurs.
>Bats: I figured the statue in my base would've made it apparent.
>Hal: Oh right… Man, it must cool having your own cave.
The correct way would be to do research, have Hal confidently misidentify a dinosaur and Batman correct him. Hal gives him a weird look, Batman shrugs and says. “I like dinosaurs.”
That’s not obnoxious and the little kid reading it (haha) actually learned something.