Jaded Incel detective partnered with an amoral normalgay detective is too powerful a combination. Might make people actually respect incels instead of just mocking them.
Amoral things they both did off the top of my memory
Marty:
cheating on his wife
murdering the pedophile cook instead of arresting him
assaulting daddarios boyfriend
Rust:
beat up civilians to get information about the prostitutehouse
told that one prostitute to kill herself
mawing martys wife lawn and fricking her
Also who knows what kind of shit he did while working undercover in cartels.
So they both abuse their cop powers, but somehow people only remember about Marty cheating on his wife and call him the amoral one, its total bullshit
>but somehow people only remember about Marty cheating on his wife and call him the amoral one, its total bullshit
Only one of them purports to be a straight laced, good christian rolemodel. It's similar to the dichotomy of Jimmy and Chuck in Better Call Saul. One does all the wrong things for the right reasons, playing fast and loose with the "rules" if it means a better overall outcome for the person he's working for. The other does all the right things for the wrong reasons, autistically adhering to rule and procedure even when it obviously causes problems for everyone involved. The difference is in TD it's a romantic optimist hiding behind layers of anti-social pessimistic behavior to prevent getting hurt again, and a dysfunctional brute projecting and forcing his concepts of morality and normalcy onto everyone else in the hopes that doing so will keep his own demons at bay. Most people are far more tolerant of Rust's brand of hypocrisy than Marty's.
>Most people are far more tolerant of Rust's brand of hypocrisy than Marty's.
I agree, but I dont like that fact.
Rust also has a superiority complex, calling all those people in the church moronic and saying that he is better than everyone else to Maggy. I can relate to him more than to Marty, especially with the drinking, but still they are both flawed as frick, but somehow Rust gets away with all his hypocrisy while Marty gets shit on, both by his wife in the show (calling him a coward and all that) and by most of the real-life audience.
People just praise Rust because he is the charismatic one
Also i am of the opinion that he should have died in the end and finally found peace instead of the "light in the dark" pityful cliche ending
>spoiler
I'm inclined to agree. I don't know about dying, but his sudden transformation into an optimist and finding god in the final moments is a hell of an unearned 180 to his character. That development has always bothered me more than any of the other things often cited as shit about the ending. It feels like an entire episode or two of development was missing for that big of a swing and payoff.
Yeah, that 180 turn was just out of character. Cosidering that he was doing drugs for years, including some strong psychedelics, the pre-death experience shouldnt have that much of effect on him. he a smart guy who probably knows how the brain works, so all that "i saw my dead dauther" bullshit is just bad writing
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It’s like you said, Rust had spent years experiencing hallucinations. He was effected by his near-death experience because it felt markedly different. By the end of the show, he would have been able to tell the difference between a drug trip and something genuinely spiritual.
>dysfunctional brute projecting and forcing his concepts of morality and normalcy onto everyone else
If you are referring to Marty treating his older daughter, he was completely in the right trying to curb her whorish tendencies, he just shouldnt have hit her.
Considering that his second daughter turned out to be ok and not some emo art prostitute, he wasnt a bad dad.
Also his wife leaving him and taking the daughters certainly was an overall bad influence on the kids. I can understand divorce if your husband is drinking or is a threat to you and kids, but cheating is not a sufficient reason to permanently damage the mental state of children by breaking up the family
Infidelity is an incredibly common and justifiable reason for divorce. Some couples can realize that divorce is a difficult thing to have to put kids through and work together to mend their relationship, but in all reality regardless if it is right or not, not a ton of people are brought up in an environment where marriage is an absolutely unbreakable vow-- especially in the US.
>cheats on his wife with some 20-something floozy >sees her trying to move and straight up breaks into her home and threatens to kill the guy (even though she told him that she is trying to find a respectable guy) >later her beats her just because she tried to distance herself from him
Hated him so much when I was watching it. Great show though.
This. At first it seems like it's the opposite but Rust gets super normalhomosexual once he is exposed to Marty's family while Marty truly was just pretending to be a normalgay the entire time.
the actual answer is that TD season 1 was one of the greatest seasons of tv ever made and that shows like that only come around every decade or 2. the real answer is ur a homosexual for asking such a stupid question
>honestly the best ever season of television.
I don't know about that. The ending is substantially weaker but it's understandable because endings are always the hardest to stick perfectly. I will say though that the first 5 episodes are far and away the best arc in television period. Just the visuals and tone alone put it head and shoulders ahead of anything that might be close. Pure lightning in a bottle, nothing comes close.
literally just watched episode 5, where they get ledoux, 3 days ago.
>frick him, glad to see you commit to something
honestly the best ever season of television.
I'd still put season 4 of the wire as TV's peak but I did enjoy TD season 1 a lot
I just don't understand what happened after that. Did the director/showrunner shoot his best load on the first season and then just run out of material for the rest?
>I just don't understand what happened after that.
Season one just outkicked the frick out of its coverage. As far as I know TD was always envisioned as an anthology so from the beginning they knew they were going to do multiple thematically related storylines over multiple seasons. Season one just ended up being way too good and attracting way too large an audience off the bat so when the subsequent seasons dropped even though 2 and 3 were solid TV, they couldn't hold up to the expectation set by the first. S1 spiked the curve for the rest of the series. Well except for the 4th season but that doesn't count because that was a sloppy script rework with TD slapped over the original title to take advantage of the name recognition anyway
>Marty get back, there’s more of em!
Why was this line only in the blu ray? It makes no sense without it, me and my brother were confused when we watched it on hbo
6, 16oz Lonestars doesn't do much if you're a complete alcoholic like Rust but I still don't understand why the detectives were alright with letting him just drive home
If Rust starts drinking at noon on his days off and he killed a six pack while taking to the detectives for what, 2 hours or so, then he must be going through a 30 brick on his days off
It's definitely not unrealistic to drink that much beer in a day. I've been Rust pilled in the past. Sometimes an 18 pack didn't seem like enough for the day
I’ve never understood drinking that much beer. At some point I plateau and need to switch to booze.
>then he must be going through a 30 brick on his days off
Did you forget that he was also drinking from his flask during the interview?
He probably does the same drinking alone: mixing up booze when he fills the buzz going away.
Still better than drinking hard liquor only, he would probably be dead in a couple years if he did that
I came to this conclusion after the first episode of season 2. Just enjoy the ride every year or so. I do. It doesn't get old, and everyone I've shown it to has become obsessed with it too. Women and men.
>can't find anything worthy to criticize
they find the killer by literally just noticing a house with green paint and instantly connect it to the spaghetti monster picture
Too masculine. True Detective is an especially personal and masculine story that runs counter to what current ideological lines consider "stories worth telling".
the first 2 episodes of the outsider on hbo are the only thing that really captured the same kind of essence of td season 1, jason bateman directed both episodes and the rest of the series is terrible just consider it a film in 2 episodes
It wouldnt get high enought ESG score.
Hell, it would probably get a negative score: >toxic masculinity >bawdshaming >police brutality >white nuclear family >overall almost no minorities
The only plus TD1 would get is for being kinda anti-christian and thats it
If you dont see the tendencies of all mass media in the last 10-15 years, than you are probably the moronic one.
I was surprised to see shows like Terror and North waters in this day and age, but than realised that they probably got made because both of them had gays and anti-colonialism undertones
>he tendencies of all mass media in the last 10-15 years
worthless vagaries of a man who is frightened by some nonsense corporate rating tool that will be forgotten about in a couple of years
If the things I mentrioned are worthless vagaries, then you surely wont have any problems refuting and listing recent shows/movies that dont have any social justice bullshit whatsoever. I would gladly watch that.
The only one I personally can think of is Terminal list, it was pretty good
>sister tries to recommend me the new true detective during easter >says that it was really good and scary >at a loss of words at what im hearing considering this is one of the smartest people i know
mfw
Fargo Season 1/2 were some of the best television I have ever seen. I think 2 is marginally better than 1 purely because of richer characters like Mike Milligan and Ed Blumquist
I watched S1 thinking that nothing could surpass it, but S2 quickly proved that wrong. Better in almost every aspect, down to the color correction and cinematography.
Thanks, glad I stayed away from it
You're welcome. S4 of TD can't really be considered TD at all. It's only superficially related.
Can I just watch those seasons and leave the show satisfied?
Some recommend watching up to and including Fargo S3, but others find that's the season where Noah Hawley disappeared up his own ass. The point where everyone agrees that the show irredeemably goes to shit is S4 though. So 3 might be worth a try if you really want more Fargo.
Jaded Incel detective partnered with an amoral normalgay detective is too powerful a combination. Might make people actually respect incels instead of just mocking them.
>incel
he fricked his partner's wife doe
That was shit writing and everyone could see it coming from a mile off.
he got raped
>an amoral normalgay detective
Amoral things they both did off the top of my memory
Marty:
cheating on his wife
murdering the pedophile cook instead of arresting him
assaulting daddarios boyfriend
Rust:
beat up civilians to get information about the prostitutehouse
told that one prostitute to kill herself
mawing martys wife lawn and fricking her
Also who knows what kind of shit he did while working undercover in cartels.
So they both abuse their cop powers, but somehow people only remember about Marty cheating on his wife and call him the amoral one, its total bullshit
>but somehow people only remember about Marty cheating on his wife and call him the amoral one, its total bullshit
Only one of them purports to be a straight laced, good christian rolemodel. It's similar to the dichotomy of Jimmy and Chuck in Better Call Saul. One does all the wrong things for the right reasons, playing fast and loose with the "rules" if it means a better overall outcome for the person he's working for. The other does all the right things for the wrong reasons, autistically adhering to rule and procedure even when it obviously causes problems for everyone involved. The difference is in TD it's a romantic optimist hiding behind layers of anti-social pessimistic behavior to prevent getting hurt again, and a dysfunctional brute projecting and forcing his concepts of morality and normalcy onto everyone else in the hopes that doing so will keep his own demons at bay. Most people are far more tolerant of Rust's brand of hypocrisy than Marty's.
>Most people are far more tolerant of Rust's brand of hypocrisy than Marty's.
I agree, but I dont like that fact.
Rust also has a superiority complex, calling all those people in the church moronic and saying that he is better than everyone else to Maggy. I can relate to him more than to Marty, especially with the drinking, but still they are both flawed as frick, but somehow Rust gets away with all his hypocrisy while Marty gets shit on, both by his wife in the show (calling him a coward and all that) and by most of the real-life audience.
People just praise Rust because he is the charismatic one
Also i am of the opinion that he should have died in the end and finally found peace instead of the "light in the dark" pityful cliche ending
>spoiler
I'm inclined to agree. I don't know about dying, but his sudden transformation into an optimist and finding god in the final moments is a hell of an unearned 180 to his character. That development has always bothered me more than any of the other things often cited as shit about the ending. It feels like an entire episode or two of development was missing for that big of a swing and payoff.
Yeah, that 180 turn was just out of character. Cosidering that he was doing drugs for years, including some strong psychedelics, the pre-death experience shouldnt have that much of effect on him. he a smart guy who probably knows how the brain works, so all that "i saw my dead dauther" bullshit is just bad writing
It’s like you said, Rust had spent years experiencing hallucinations. He was effected by his near-death experience because it felt markedly different. By the end of the show, he would have been able to tell the difference between a drug trip and something genuinely spiritual.
>dysfunctional brute projecting and forcing his concepts of morality and normalcy onto everyone else
If you are referring to Marty treating his older daughter, he was completely in the right trying to curb her whorish tendencies, he just shouldnt have hit her.
Considering that his second daughter turned out to be ok and not some emo art prostitute, he wasnt a bad dad.
Also his wife leaving him and taking the daughters certainly was an overall bad influence on the kids. I can understand divorce if your husband is drinking or is a threat to you and kids, but cheating is not a sufficient reason to permanently damage the mental state of children by breaking up the family
Infidelity is an incredibly common and justifiable reason for divorce. Some couples can realize that divorce is a difficult thing to have to put kids through and work together to mend their relationship, but in all reality regardless if it is right or not, not a ton of people are brought up in an environment where marriage is an absolutely unbreakable vow-- especially in the US.
Television & Film is completely dead.
Well the kinosprings program shut down you see, couldnt sustain its cost
Terrible. That’s terrible.
If you want id be happy to direct you to any archives we still have on the program
The writers are literally all Black folk
It's literally Cinemaphile and pleddit teaming up to solve a crime. No other show has ever captured this dynamic.
marty isnt reddit at all. hes just a standard normalgay
He's a fricking psycho.
*He's a fricking psycho who thinks he is normal.
Basically what every hardcore pledditor is.
how?
>cheats on his wife with some 20-something floozy
>sees her trying to move and straight up breaks into her home and threatens to kill the guy (even though she told him that she is trying to find a respectable guy)
>later her beats her just because she tried to distance herself from him
Hated him so much when I was watching it. Great show though.
Wtf? Marty never beat up any of the women in the show.
Marty is Cinemaphile
Rust is reddit
This. At first it seems like it's the opposite but Rust gets super normalhomosexual once he is exposed to Marty's family while Marty truly was just pretending to be a normalgay the entire time.
thinking back...youre right. rust was kind of a prissy gay. marty beat up his bawd daughter and shot reggie ledubs
Damn, you're right
*Marty still reads newspapers
Correct about Rust though.
reddit will get the wrong person and refuse to admit it
Cinemaphile will just pin the crime on a black dude
vice principals
Bro starts off an atheist then turns into a Buddhist and by the end he's a Christian
Pure kino show
>Bro starts off
on bro he started off bussin frfr on bro rizzler came thru and stole his girl marty goofy ahh LMAO bro dont even know :skull:
Knew I'd trigger at least one person
#fragile
yeah sure bro that was bait on bro fr
language evolves, moron. Keep up or be left behind.
frfr on bro SHEEEEEEEEEEESH
just like xena
Why didnt the fire alarm go off 5 minutes after they told Rust he couldnt smoke in here?
Because in many cases fire alarms dont actually work, they are just fake pieces of plastic put in place just so the fire inspections would frick off
do you want the real answer or the actual answer.
the actual answer is that TD season 1 was one of the greatest seasons of tv ever made and that shows like that only come around every decade or 2. the real answer is ur a homosexual for asking such a stupid question
>the actual answer is that TD season 1 was one of the greatest seasons of tv ever made
Watch it again in ten years, you'll feel dumb for saying this.
The dialogue between marty and rust is utterly juvenile.
Penis
All the good writers and artists are living with their parents hoping their YouTube channels take off
literally just watched episode 5, where they get ledoux, 3 days ago.
>frick him, glad to see you commit to something
honestly the best ever season of television.
>Le
Just don't start smoking Camel Blues because of Rust. He's a bad influence
>honestly the best ever season of television.
I don't know about that. The ending is substantially weaker but it's understandable because endings are always the hardest to stick perfectly. I will say though that the first 5 episodes are far and away the best arc in television period. Just the visuals and tone alone put it head and shoulders ahead of anything that might be close. Pure lightning in a bottle, nothing comes close.
I'd still put season 4 of the wire as TV's peak but I did enjoy TD season 1 a lot
I just don't understand what happened after that. Did the director/showrunner shoot his best load on the first season and then just run out of material for the rest?
>I just don't understand what happened after that.
Season one just outkicked the frick out of its coverage. As far as I know TD was always envisioned as an anthology so from the beginning they knew they were going to do multiple thematically related storylines over multiple seasons. Season one just ended up being way too good and attracting way too large an audience off the bat so when the subsequent seasons dropped even though 2 and 3 were solid TV, they couldn't hold up to the expectation set by the first. S1 spiked the curve for the rest of the series. Well except for the 4th season but that doesn't count because that was a sloppy script rework with TD slapped over the original title to take advantage of the name recognition anyway
>Reggie LeDooDoo
>"Uronair"
>honestly the best ever season of television
this meme needs to die. it was a good show but you autists need to relax. the ending was complete shit
It's weird how many shows have tried to copy this bullshit with no success (especially the infidelity angle .)
>Marty get back, there’s more of em!
Why was this line only in the blu ray? It makes no sense without it, me and my brother were confused when we watched it on hbo
6, 16oz Lonestars doesn't do much if you're a complete alcoholic like Rust but I still don't understand why the detectives were alright with letting him just drive home
He had a flask aswell
>me watching True Detective Season 1 for the 26th time, now becoming an alcoholic because Rust is now literally me
Rust would never post on Cinemaphile
If Rust starts drinking at noon on his days off and he killed a six pack while taking to the detectives for what, 2 hours or so, then he must be going through a 30 brick on his days off
Definitely someone to aspire to. Nothing snooty.
I’ve never understood drinking that much beer. At some point I plateau and need to switch to booze.
It's definitely not unrealistic to drink that much beer in a day. I've been Rust pilled in the past. Sometimes an 18 pack didn't seem like enough for the day
Same. My stomach just starts asking for something smoother.
>then he must be going through a 30 brick on his days off
Did you forget that he was also drinking from his flask during the interview?
He probably does the same drinking alone: mixing up booze when he fills the buzz going away.
Still better than drinking hard liquor only, he would probably be dead in a couple years if he did that
Rust would also be pissed if he was still alive in 2024. Camel Blues changed their packaging and blend like 6 years ago.
Rust would be vaping, hes a pragmatic individual
Rust found God and would be straight edge
Rust found God and the first thing he did was smoke a cigarette with Marty
the cigs were just there cuz cigs are a detective cliche
I still haven't found a show that comes even close to TD season 1 and I'm starting to think there will never be anything better
I came to this conclusion after the first episode of season 2. Just enjoy the ride every year or so. I do. It doesn't get old, and everyone I've shown it to has become obsessed with it too. Women and men.
Did another rewatch this year and was amazed at the amount of detail I never caught before. It’s incredible what they fit into just 8 episodes.
Same. I scrutinize it each re-watch and still can't find anything worthy to criticize.
My favorite way to watch it is with a beer and tv dinner.
my favorite way to rewatch is a beer, banh mi, and spring rolls
>can't find anything worthy to criticize
they find the killer by literally just noticing a house with green paint and instantly connect it to the spaghetti monster picture
What's the problem with that? After years of trying to find a lead, you have to resort to every little thing, and it worked.
Watch more TV.
Me and my gf were discussing this recently and the two shows we'd put up there with TD S1 are The Terror S1 and Chernobyl.
Terror is great, yes.
Chernobyl is good as product of fiction, but it is far from realistic.
"show me how a nuclear reactor works or ill throw you out of the helicopter" is an example of a cartoonish scene which never happened irl
>I like drinking your lawn
You want more high-school tier metaphor in your media? Just turn on netflix, it's riddled with the shit.
I hate Rust because he is a cheating piece of shit.
Too masculine. True Detective is an especially personal and masculine story that runs counter to what current ideological lines consider "stories worth telling".
the first 2 episodes of the outsider on hbo are the only thing that really captured the same kind of essence of td season 1, jason bateman directed both episodes and the rest of the series is terrible just consider it a film in 2 episodes
It wouldnt get high enought ESG score.
Hell, it would probably get a negative score:
>toxic masculinity
>bawdshaming
>police brutality
>white nuclear family
>overall almost no minorities
The only plus TD1 would get is for being kinda anti-christian and thats it
Just googled ESG score because I keep hearing people say it and you people are more moronic than I thought.
If you dont see the tendencies of all mass media in the last 10-15 years, than you are probably the moronic one.
I was surprised to see shows like Terror and North waters in this day and age, but than realised that they probably got made because both of them had gays and anti-colonialism undertones
>he tendencies of all mass media in the last 10-15 years
worthless vagaries of a man who is frightened by some nonsense corporate rating tool that will be forgotten about in a couple of years
If the things I mentrioned are worthless vagaries, then you surely wont have any problems refuting and listing recent shows/movies that dont have any social justice bullshit whatsoever. I would gladly watch that.
The only one I personally can think of is Terminal list, it was pretty good
Was the cuckoldry plotline really necessary? It ruined the vibe for me.
>sister tries to recommend me the new true detective during easter
>says that it was really good and scary
>at a loss of words at what im hearing considering this is one of the smartest people i know
mfw
The newest season is better than the original.
Season 3 ending was bad, so I didnt even touch the jodie foster one. Is the new one really that bad?
It's up there with Fargo Season 4/5 as one of the worst seasons of a previously good show.
Fargo Season 1/2 were some of the best television I have ever seen. I think 2 is marginally better than 1 purely because of richer characters like Mike Milligan and Ed Blumquist
Can I just watch those seasons and leave the show satisfied?
I watched S1 thinking that nothing could surpass it, but S2 quickly proved that wrong. Better in almost every aspect, down to the color correction and cinematography.
You're welcome. S4 of TD can't really be considered TD at all. It's only superficially related.
Some recommend watching up to and including Fargo S3, but others find that's the season where Noah Hawley disappeared up his own ass. The point where everyone agrees that the show irredeemably goes to shit is S4 though. So 3 might be worth a try if you really want more Fargo.
Thanks, glad I stayed away from it