1.) Jarhead is a different war
2.) GK is about the invasion of Iraq. There is no point in making movies about the successful invasion knowing the following 15 years was nothing but failures.
Well the goal was to turn it in to a peaceful democracy and it's still a violence ridden shithole.
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The goal was to make money through the military industrial complex which was the same reason for the Vietnam war. Go research who had shares in what.
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The stated goal is rarely the actual goal in geopolitics
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The stated goal wasnt that the stated goal was to remove nukes lol
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Was he even alleged to have nukes? I thought it was just weird bio weapons and yellow cake (don't drop that shit!)
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It was kept vague.
Gives the liars more wiggle room once they have to admit that Sadam had jack
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Them shanking David Kelly was funny and brazen though
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Was he even alleged to have nukes? I thought it was just weird bio weapons and yellow cake (don't drop that shit!)
It was kept vague.
Gives the liars more wiggle room once they have to admit that Sadam had jack
The lie was specifically chemical weapons you fricking moronic zoomers. The description of the weapons was based on scenes from The Rock by a source under pressure from his western handlers.
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The goal was to remove Saddam and act as a regional magnet for extremists to gather to that wasn’t in a western country.
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Never heard that take before, do you have a legitimate source so I can read more?
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Go back to plebbit.
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I don’t think the people in power knew it was gonna attract lots of terrorists. Perhaps.
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Thing is, that wasn't even the original goal. The initial goal was to secure and remove the WMDs, mission creep came later
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The WMD's that didnt exist?
Iraq was nothing more than the CIA getting round to finishing off Sadam after the Gulf War didnt go the way they wanted, leading to even more destabilization in the middle east.
So yeah it was a complete success.
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how kind of the powerful, greedy and rich politicians to care so much about the lifestyle of people in some shithole third world country that isn't working for their interests
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do you expect these companies to build the weapons for free?
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People tend to forget that Israel really didn't like Saddam. Add that to the list, because they were a BIG influence.
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The goal was to destabilise the Middle East to pave the way for the establishment of greater israel.
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>The goal was to turn it into a buffer state after killing every rag who didn't take our money, had warlord dreams outside our playbook, or get the picture that we didn't want to rule their shit hole, just use it to covertly strike out of from time to time to cause problems for Iran and China.
There. Fixed that for you.
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>The goal was to turn it into a buffer state after killing every rag who didn't take our money, had warlord dreams outside our playbook, or get the picture that we didn't want to rule their shit hole, just use it to covertly strike out of from time to time to cause problems for Iran and China.
There. Fixed that for you.
Whoops. I thought we were talking about the other forever-war shithole.
Please, most Vietnam War movies are about child-murdering whites being le sad and throwing a temper tantrum over people not worshiping the ground they walk on when they went back.
>and throwing a temper tantrum over people not worshiping the ground they walk on when they went back.
This. Vietnam vets will rant about like 5 cases of hippies spitting on someone at an airport, but this is what really frustrated these guys. They grew up hearing how awesome WWII vets and how everyone treated them as heroes when they got back, and they were butthurt they didn't get the same treatment despite not having done anything to earn it.
>not having done anything to earn it
why is dropping bombs on an island off the coast of new guinea worthy of more respect than dropping herbicide in vietnam
>set during the Vietnam war >Blackhawks
lmao no way am I watching this garbage if they can't even get the most famous helicopter in military history THE HUEY right.
It's like they went out of their way to find the Hollywood stereotype jaded whiny Vietnam vet. Personally in my life every Vietnam vet I've ever talked to has said almost verbatim the same thing about it >I'm glad I did it but I wouldn't do it again
It's like they went out of their way to find the Hollywood stereotype jaded whiny Vietnam vet. Personally in my life every Vietnam vet I've ever talked to has said almost verbatim the same thing about it >I'm glad I did it but I wouldn't do it again
some people deal with trauma differently
imagine losing friends and getting into near death situations for a vague geopolitical objective, then later finding out it was all for nothing
i'd feel a bit bitter too
the ken burns vietnam doc was one of his worst and i say that as a ken burns fan. his representation of the south vietnamese perspective was limited to a rich upper class girl instead of any arvn vets or montagnards and the american soldiers/marines he included were all infantrymen pretty much at the same place at the same time (near the dmz in 67/68). no tankers, pilots, river boat guys, green berets, EOD etc. he glosses over the french era but atleast he covers it for longer than 2 mins like usual.
the 1983 pbs vietnam documentary is really good, probably the best one on the topic before. you can find it on the internet archive with the episodes pbs didn't put on dvd because they were politically incorrect.
> he glosses over the french era but atleast he covers it for longer than 2 mins like usual.
Did he mention the British era where hey had it nearly completely fixed.
been a while since ive seen it but i don't remember him going over it, probably just gave it a sentence or two in passing.
the half or so of a episode that goes over the entire french era wasn't very intricate, mostly was about ho chi minh and a bit about the french hedgehog strategy that burns ties in later with khe sanh and westmoreland (without mentioning the difference that the french war mostly had frontlines and the american one didn't). pretty much neglects any details about the french effect on vietnamese society (probably so he doesn't have to spend a later episode talking about communist ethnic cleansing and refugees), and the political and military situation of the french war.
>I will never kill another human being as long as I'm in Vietnam. However, I will waste as many asiatics as I can find. I'll wax as many dinks as I can find. I'll smoke as many zips as I can find. But I ain't gonna kill anybody.
Pretty based, ngl
Because they weren't really practical for infantry back them. They gave them flak jackets to protect from shrapnel and stuff like that but most guys didn't want to wear an extra layer of heavy shit over their torso in the heat and humidity of Vietnam.
There was the aircrew body armor aka the "chicken plate", and the variable body armor.
http://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=310
http://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=31
It would appear the chicken plate was too fragile or expensive, depending on what armor material is in the carrier, and the VBA just arrived too late to be used effectively, and then there was the fact they were most certainly too goddamn heavy for foot work.
If you’re fighting your big brother and you scrape his leg and mom yells that fighting time is over, that doesn’t mean you won. He could have punched you cold at any minute.
Everyone realized that Vietnam movies solely existed for liberals to cricle jerk about how they "won" in getting the US to withdraw from Vietnam, cheering as the skulls of women and children were crushed underneath the tank-treads of the NVA.
what you can say about vietnam that hasn't already been said? what can modern filmmaking techniques convey about vietnam that hasn't already be done?
it's a completed genre
Yes but we need another dozen WW2 movies for this year focusing on the plight of the israelites and how evil the Germans were, plus try and connect it to current political trends
The silver lining of western countries filling up with wogs with no connection to WW2 will be the struggle to make anything WW2 land with any impact as it once used to, hell many wogs would sympathise with the Axis as they would see the expulsion of colonial powers and basically btfo their host whitey
I wonder how long until China funds a movie about the alleged war crimes committed by Aussie SAS troops in Afghanistan. I'd better have a kino "want me to drop this c**t" moment.
>They need to make more Soviet-Afghan war movies aka the Other Vietnam.
not really. the russians got the shit kicked out of them in afhganistan. it was a military loss. the usa never lost a battle against north vietnam, the loss was purely political and only happened two years after the usa completely left vietnam anyway. vietnam was also a much more difficult enemy that had cutting edge technology from russia and china. the soviets literally got btfo by dirt farmers with a few stingers. actual cringe
My dude...everyone gets btfo by those dirt farmers. Ever since the days of the mongol hordes and Alexander the great those dirt farmers have been kicking the shit out of empire after empire. Hell the US just got btfo by them too.
Afghanistan is something nobody sane fricks with. Those mountains are cursed.
The US didn't get btfod by them. The US curb stomped them every time. It literally amounts to either genocide them or spent a century changing their culture and dragging them into the modern world. Or else they'll constantly be putting out shitty little bombs and claiming they're btfoing the great devil usa. All while tubbies like you whine about how wasteful and stupid the war is
no, the usa didn't get beat by them. russia suffered a military defeat against afghanistan, the usa had them hiding in the mountains for 13 years. afghanistan was another political defeat
The US failed in Afghanistan Black folk. We left because the Afghani's are insane and too damn stubborn to be dragged into civility. You can cope and seethe all you want but it was a god damn disaster and a money pit. >oh but we never lost a battle!
Yeah and we still fricking left because war isn't just battles.
Historically that's not even true, many groups have conquered the country even fairly recently
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.....or bringing back the king which was suggested and would have very likely worked in creating a country which wasn't a haven for terrorists but that was considered unacceptable to the Americans. The war was an embarrassment
>Historically that's not even true, many groups have conquered the country even fairly recently
Yeah and you have a list of those? Because I have a list of all the dudes that failed in that shithole.
Macedonia, the Seleucids, the Umayyads, the Mongols, the Timurids, the Sikhs, the British, the USSR and last but definitely not least, the good old US of A.
Nobody succeeds in Afghanistan. Everyone just fricking runs after they've had enough of dealing with that nightmare.
>Macedonia, the Seleucids, the Umayyads, the Mongols, the Timurids
All won there, dunno about the Sikhs, British won the Second Afghan War but since then it's been solely loses
no, the usa didn't get beat by them. russia suffered a military defeat against afghanistan, the usa had them hiding in the mountains for 13 years. afghanistan was another political defeat
Historically that's not even true, many groups have conquered the country even fairly recently
The US didn't get btfod by them. The US curb stomped them every time. It literally amounts to either genocide them or spent a century changing their culture and dragging them into the modern world. Or else they'll constantly be putting out shitty little bombs and claiming they're btfoing the great devil usa. All while tubbies like you whine about how wasteful and stupid the war is
.....or bringing back the king which was suggested and would have very likely worked in creating a country which wasn't a haven for terrorists but that was considered unacceptable to the Americans. The war was an embarrassment
that's just blatantly false, both alexander and the mongols sucessfully conquered the place. the greco-bactrian kingdom lasted for nearly 300 years. likewise the chagatai khanate held onto it until it was taken by the timurids, another foreign power, about a century later. the whole 'graveyard of empires' thing is purely a modern invention to excuse modern failures of nation-building.
Not him but the problem has always been this gay modern nation building idea. 2500 years ago, some empire or kingdom or what have you would send a tax collector to a tribal village in Bumfrick, Afghanistan and tell them "hey we own you, pay us or we'll burn your village down" and the Afghans understood that and paid their taxes. They haven't advanced at all since then, that's still all they understand.
So when British, Russians or Americans saunter into their backwards shithole country offering them stupid things like civilization, or equality or freedom or whatever, they just think that's pussy shit and couldn't care less. That's why they won. Ivy League educated western elites literally just cannot grasp that their bullshit rhetoric doesn't work on people who have no desire for our gay modern western culture.
>unironic "noble savage" shit
Frick you, 1st-world pampered baby. No person besides basement dwelling contrarians would refuse the absolutely insane benefits of western civilization. It's just that before that would be nice to have food regularly, or a house you can live in till you die, or assurances that if you have all this tomorrow a turban-wearing neanderthal won't take it all away because he has a gun and neanderthal friends around the corner.
The Us failed or never cared to actually provide this for the people in Afghanistan. As the result there was tremendous divide between the folk in couple big cities, where America was kinda present, and all the others. So when the fricking bandits decided to take control no one had enough free time or resources to go against them. And the civilized city population was too small for it. Afghanistan was a fricking tragedy for everyone inside of it, not including the fricking criminals that run it now, draining everything from normal folk. Man, frick you again.
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You're right, we should just try again. We'll get it right next time and Afghanistan will finally become to civilized country it was always meant to be.
You fricking moron.
it's facts. it's not a debate. we would never get good film because no one in the west wants to glorify the taliban and russians aren't capable of making anything that's not propaganda
>the russians got the shit kicked out of them in afhganistan. it was a military loss.
Lol, they lost about 15k KIA in 10 years, killed a million hajis and the DRA literally outlived the Soviet Union. They achieved everything they set out to do, and had to pull out because the USSR was collapsing due to Reagan's sanctions and the Gosplan computers couldn't plan the economy, not because they "got the shit kicked out of them".
I get that it's dunking on the russkie season, but let's not just rewrite history
Some of the best kinos about vietnam are just watching veteran interviews on youtube. They have some damn crazy stories especially some of the first guys in country, special forces, and helo pilots. One guy did four tours, and on his last tour stepped into a trap, got burned on most of his body and spent months in a burn unit. Lost weight down to almost 100 lbs as the burns were killing him. The doctors did all they could but had pretty much given up on him and put him in the area where patients go to die. But miraculously he managed to pull through. Has skin grafts on much of his body. He waa thankful he managed to keep his dick kek
What was his name? I'll trade you Sammy Lee Davis, used a howitzer like a shotgun with grapeshot to mow down asiatics and then floated around on an air mattress rescuing wounded guys.
I was lucky because my dad was a door gunner on Huey's but he never had that "ahh war is hell i'm so sad" mentality so I got to hear all of his stories when I got old enough.
Told me once about the time his flight which I guess was like 2 hueys, an OH-6 and Cobra came upon a company of NVA fording a river and they had no AA so they just kept making passes then coming back to shoot them some more until basically the whole company was wiped out.
He said it felt great to get to actually see what he was shooting at for a change
war movies hurt morale for israel's wars in the middle east and khazaria. the last thing they need is gentiles who they can't tell them they are heroes for dying for israel because they saw platoon and realized its pointless to be a mercenary for some rich guys money making venture
Haha remember when the goverment drafted right leaning men to go die in a jungle and gave exclusions to left leaning and college "educated" men to change american voting patterns?
US won both iraq and afghanistan. The occupation afterwards is not a war and by definition has no resolution apart from genocide or magically the population loving the occupiers.
>The opponent is Communists >half the audience won't tolerate the same tired old Boomer Draft Dodger bullshit >MACVSOG only could talk about their exploits in the past ten years or so, less time to develop scripts
We see right through it; american man is the white savior who tries to save a village, but cant stop the rape if a young girl and brutal murder of the elders. They try to make hollyweird out to be some noble hero, but in this day and age, everyone knows this was an evil genocide. Come for me.
This. It is such a clear cut case of westerners invading, not liberating, but invading a county defending __itself__.
I swear 80% of people don’t realize Vietnam started in 1945 for the vietimese when France went back in to try to retake their colonies post ww2
Wrong. The frogs didn’t even take possession of indochina back from the British in 1945. It also started under the British, who had hoe chi minh nearly beat, asked to delay the handover for a few months to finish the job, the crowd said non and fricked everything up. Kys troon.
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no it wasn't. south vietnam invited the usa in as their country was getting invaded by well equipped communists. there was also other friendly sea countries in the region involved in the war, it wasn't just the usa and australia. basically the entire sea region was on the side of south vietnam. it was russian and chinese imperialism destabilizing the region
Brainwashed demolelized posters. Good tools.
dilate troony
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no it wasn't. south vietnam invited the usa in as their country was getting invaded by well equipped communists. there was also other friendly sea countries in the region involved in the war, it wasn't just the usa and australia. basically the entire sea region was on the side of south vietnam. it was russian and chinese imperialism destabilizing the region
Mahwhataboutism.
Let me know when china invades Mexico about how china is in the right because some Mexicans fight on the side of china
This. It is such a clear cut case of westerners invading, not liberating, but invading a county defending __itself__.
I swear 80% of people don’t realize Vietnam started in 1945 for the vietimese when France went back in to try to retake their colonies post ww2
no it wasn't. south vietnam invited the usa in as their country was getting invaded by well equipped communists. there was also other friendly sea countries in the region involved in the war, it wasn't just the usa and australia. basically the entire sea region was on the side of south vietnam. it was russian and chinese imperialism destabilizing the region
Vietnam is actually on good terms with America now. Helps that Vietnam REALLY hates China, America was an enemy for a decade but China has been their enemy for centuries, and now America is their ally against China.
Bullshit “the Vietnam are hiding pows underground” decades after the war cope for MIA G.I.s
Ou have to understand sometimes in war body’s get blown up into mist, just because their isn’t a body bag doesn’t mean they being kept underground and milked 24/7 for American semen to pregoo Vietnam women with strong genes.
https://suggestive.ytmnd.com/
>The POW-MIA issue
Filthy zoomer here, so what exactly was this about?
It was a bullshit conspiracy theory exploited by Nixon and Reagan to get dumb voters to forget about all the shit America did in Vietnam in order to shift the focus on an imaginary problem.
I never really understood this. "A Republican administration abandoned a bunch of prisoners in Vietnam to rot, so vote Republican because we'll totally get them back this time" seems like a dumb argument, people actually believed this bullshit?
Oliver Stone got too old
The same reason there aren't a lot of Iraq or Afghanistan movies. It makes the US look like the bad guys.
wait another ten years then we'll have iraqino
We've got Jarhead and Generation Kill
1.) Jarhead is a different war
2.) GK is about the invasion of Iraq. There is no point in making movies about the successful invasion knowing the following 15 years was nothing but failures.
>following 15 years nothing but failures
No, it was nothing but babysitting dumb turban-toddlers.
So a complete failure
A failure for whom?
Well the goal was to turn it in to a peaceful democracy and it's still a violence ridden shithole.
The goal was to make money through the military industrial complex which was the same reason for the Vietnam war. Go research who had shares in what.
The stated goal is rarely the actual goal in geopolitics
The stated goal wasnt that the stated goal was to remove nukes lol
Was he even alleged to have nukes? I thought it was just weird bio weapons and yellow cake (don't drop that shit!)
It was kept vague.
Gives the liars more wiggle room once they have to admit that Sadam had jack
Them shanking David Kelly was funny and brazen though
The lie was specifically chemical weapons you fricking moronic zoomers. The description of the weapons was based on scenes from The Rock by a source under pressure from his western handlers.
The goal was to remove Saddam and act as a regional magnet for extremists to gather to that wasn’t in a western country.
Never heard that take before, do you have a legitimate source so I can read more?
Go back to plebbit.
I don’t think the people in power knew it was gonna attract lots of terrorists. Perhaps.
Thing is, that wasn't even the original goal. The initial goal was to secure and remove the WMDs, mission creep came later
The WMD's that didnt exist?
Iraq was nothing more than the CIA getting round to finishing off Sadam after the Gulf War didnt go the way they wanted, leading to even more destabilization in the middle east.
So yeah it was a complete success.
how kind of the powerful, greedy and rich politicians to care so much about the lifestyle of people in some shithole third world country that isn't working for their interests
do you expect these companies to build the weapons for free?
People tend to forget that Israel really didn't like Saddam. Add that to the list, because they were a BIG influence.
The goal was to destabilise the Middle East to pave the way for the establishment of greater israel.
>The goal was to turn it into a buffer state after killing every rag who didn't take our money, had warlord dreams outside our playbook, or get the picture that we didn't want to rule their shit hole, just use it to covertly strike out of from time to time to cause problems for Iran and China.
There. Fixed that for you.
Whoops. I thought we were talking about the other forever-war shithole.
Gulf War 1 still counts, kinda. Guess you've also got Hurt Locker but I found that meh
but literally every single israelitelliwood movie is made to make America look bad
Not war movies, because those need to cooperate with the DoD if they want to get access to any military equipment, advisors, or tax subsidies.
>the israelites run america and make it bad
>america isn't actually bad
which is it pussy
the first
now what
>It makes the US look like the bad guys.
So just like every other movie.
with movies like this you need to have the us military cooperate to get all that equipment needed to make a war movie
Anon, Afghanistan has BILLIONS of dollars' worth of equipment used in the war.
It doesn't possess the cultural resonance that it once did, for obvious reasons.
Give it 5 years and we'll get a slew of Ukraine movies where America saved the day.
2020 must mean a very long time ago for you.
>blacks
yuck
>Le child murdering Black person is le sad
Even white Americans arent this self obsessed
Please, most Vietnam War movies are about child-murdering whites being le sad and throwing a temper tantrum over people not worshiping the ground they walk on when they went back.
>and throwing a temper tantrum over people not worshiping the ground they walk on when they went back.
This. Vietnam vets will rant about like 5 cases of hippies spitting on someone at an airport, but this is what really frustrated these guys. They grew up hearing how awesome WWII vets and how everyone treated them as heroes when they got back, and they were butthurt they didn't get the same treatment despite not having done anything to earn it.
>not having done anything to earn it
why is dropping bombs on an island off the coast of new guinea worthy of more respect than dropping herbicide in vietnam
Name one, except for platoon.
Rambo.
Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket are the only ones worth a damn tbfh
Apocalypse now is a shit Vietnam war movie though.
zoomers dont care about some boomer happening from 60 years ago.
Oh look a new Vietnam war movie.
was this enjoyable? can't trust review sites anymore
I quite liked it. Efron was good too.
what a gay reddit title
>set during the Vietnam war
>Blackhawks
lmao no way am I watching this garbage if they can't even get the most famous helicopter in military history THE HUEY right.
They'll be playing some trash 90s music out of them instead of It Ain't Me
Protip: it was shit
Oh right, I was excited about that one and completely forgot
>i h-hated them so goddamn much!!!
this dude was such a homosexual holy shit
nah he was tight
It's like they went out of their way to find the Hollywood stereotype jaded whiny Vietnam vet. Personally in my life every Vietnam vet I've ever talked to has said almost verbatim the same thing about it
>I'm glad I did it but I wouldn't do it again
Were they volontiers?
All drafted. I don't think I've ever known a vietnam vet who was a volunteer.
False. Plenty volunteered. 2/3 in fact. Whereas is WWII 2/3 were drafted.
some people deal with trauma differently
imagine losing friends and getting into near death situations for a vague geopolitical objective, then later finding out it was all for nothing
i'd feel a bit bitter too
>killing commies
>killing bugs
>for nothing
What a moron.
the ken burns vietnam doc was one of his worst and i say that as a ken burns fan. his representation of the south vietnamese perspective was limited to a rich upper class girl instead of any arvn vets or montagnards and the american soldiers/marines he included were all infantrymen pretty much at the same place at the same time (near the dmz in 67/68). no tankers, pilots, river boat guys, green berets, EOD etc. he glosses over the french era but atleast he covers it for longer than 2 mins like usual.
the 1983 pbs vietnam documentary is really good, probably the best one on the topic before. you can find it on the internet archive with the episodes pbs didn't put on dvd because they were politically incorrect.
> he glosses over the french era but atleast he covers it for longer than 2 mins like usual.
Did he mention the British era where hey had it nearly completely fixed.
been a while since ive seen it but i don't remember him going over it, probably just gave it a sentence or two in passing.
the half or so of a episode that goes over the entire french era wasn't very intricate, mostly was about ho chi minh and a bit about the french hedgehog strategy that burns ties in later with khe sanh and westmoreland (without mentioning the difference that the french war mostly had frontlines and the american one didn't). pretty much neglects any details about the french effect on vietnamese society (probably so he doesn't have to spend a later episode talking about communist ethnic cleansing and refugees), and the political and military situation of the french war.
Yes. All KB joints are anti-American propaganda, however talented he may be and entertaining they may be.
Reality is anti-American propaganda.
>1983 pbs vietnam documentary
I am watching this now. Thanks for the recommendation.
>I will never kill another human being as long as I'm in Vietnam. However, I will waste as many asiatics as I can find. I'll wax as many dinks as I can find. I'll smoke as many zips as I can find. But I ain't gonna kill anybody.
Pretty based, ngl
why didnt they give them at least bullet proof vests?
Because they weren't really practical for infantry back them. They gave them flak jackets to protect from shrapnel and stuff like that but most guys didn't want to wear an extra layer of heavy shit over their torso in the heat and humidity of Vietnam.
Logistics were a mess all through that war.
Because they’re essentially useless and the mic had bigger ticket items to push like black birds, subs and nukes.
>1960’s body armor VS 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r
Lol. They would just be dead weight.
There was the aircrew body armor aka the "chicken plate", and the variable body armor.
http://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=310
http://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=31
It would appear the chicken plate was too fragile or expensive, depending on what armor material is in the carrier, and the VBA just arrived too late to be used effectively, and then there was the fact they were most certainly too goddamn heavy for foot work.
War is good now
Watch Go Tell the Spartans. From the 70’s. It was the first one, iirc.
I’m hoping this thread hits the limit of autistic war history anons fighting over America losing the war or not
we did btw 🙂
>Verification not required.
If you’re fighting your big brother and you scrape his leg and mom yells that fighting time is over, that doesn’t mean you won. He could have punched you cold at any minute.
But he didn't so you won. Counterfactuals aren't real
Everyone realized that Vietnam movies solely existed for liberals to cricle jerk about how they "won" in getting the US to withdraw from Vietnam, cheering as the skulls of women and children were crushed underneath the tank-treads of the NVA.
Any films that talk about how bad the communists were when they took over?
No, because 90% of film-makers, especially film-makers in the 70's and 80's, were all commie sympathizers thanks to John Lennon's homosexual ass.
It's Cambodia not Vietnam but The Killing Fields
not the same, people expect the khmer rouge to be bad, not wholesome 100 viet congs
Give me this
It's been concluded
any films about Operation Frequent wind (the evacuation of US our of Vietnam)?
Vietnam was 50 years ago dumbass
what you can say about vietnam that hasn't already been said? what can modern filmmaking techniques convey about vietnam that hasn't already be done?
it's a completed genre
Yes but we need another dozen WW2 movies for this year focusing on the plight of the israelites and how evil the Germans were, plus try and connect it to current political trends
ww2 is the foundation myth of modern society so it'll never be forgotten
The silver lining of western countries filling up with wogs with no connection to WW2 will be the struggle to make anything WW2 land with any impact as it once used to, hell many wogs would sympathise with the Axis as they would see the expulsion of colonial powers and basically btfo their host whitey
French state media are having to fire the sand Black folk that work for them because they make social media posts praising hitler.
They did a Long Tan movie not that long ago, was pretty alright even if it was full of Australians.
I wonder how long until China funds a movie about the alleged war crimes committed by Aussie SAS troops in Afghanistan. I'd better have a kino "want me to drop this c**t" moment.
>we've got 11 for evac, 8 ops and 3 prisoners, over
>negative, chopper can only hold 10, over
>silence, *gunshot*
>aye we got 10 for evac, over
Alleged murders, not war crimes. What they did is specifically permitted by the geneva conventions.
The supposed footage of these guys is probably some of the best kino ever captured in terms of combat footage.
Guns are so damn cool
A Hemsworth as squad leader and maybe Bert Newton's kid as the triggerman. Love interest Margot Robbie.
It was the state departments fault. What do you want? A movie or show that focuses on Rumsfeld and Bremers incompetence? Boring.
They need to make more Soviet-Afghan war movies aka the Other Vietnam. And also Iran-Iraq movies because I personally want to see that
>They need to make more Soviet-Afghan war movies aka the Other Vietnam.
not really. the russians got the shit kicked out of them in afhganistan. it was a military loss. the usa never lost a battle against north vietnam, the loss was purely political and only happened two years after the usa completely left vietnam anyway. vietnam was also a much more difficult enemy that had cutting edge technology from russia and china. the soviets literally got btfo by dirt farmers with a few stingers. actual cringe
My dude...everyone gets btfo by those dirt farmers. Ever since the days of the mongol hordes and Alexander the great those dirt farmers have been kicking the shit out of empire after empire. Hell the US just got btfo by them too.
Afghanistan is something nobody sane fricks with. Those mountains are cursed.
The US didn't get btfod by them. The US curb stomped them every time. It literally amounts to either genocide them or spent a century changing their culture and dragging them into the modern world. Or else they'll constantly be putting out shitty little bombs and claiming they're btfoing the great devil usa. All while tubbies like you whine about how wasteful and stupid the war is
The US failed in Afghanistan Black folk. We left because the Afghani's are insane and too damn stubborn to be dragged into civility. You can cope and seethe all you want but it was a god damn disaster and a money pit.
>oh but we never lost a battle!
Yeah and we still fricking left because war isn't just battles.
>Historically that's not even true, many groups have conquered the country even fairly recently
Yeah and you have a list of those? Because I have a list of all the dudes that failed in that shithole.
Macedonia, the Seleucids, the Umayyads, the Mongols, the Timurids, the Sikhs, the British, the USSR and last but definitely not least, the good old US of A.
Nobody succeeds in Afghanistan. Everyone just fricking runs after they've had enough of dealing with that nightmare.
no one is debating that the usa failed. what i'm saying is that it wasn't a military defeat whereas the soviets were beaten militarily
The distinction isn't relevant or real
>Macedonia, the Seleucids, the Umayyads, the Mongols, the Timurids
All won there, dunno about the Sikhs, British won the Second Afghan War but since then it's been solely loses
no, the usa didn't get beat by them. russia suffered a military defeat against afghanistan, the usa had them hiding in the mountains for 13 years. afghanistan was another political defeat
Historically that's not even true, many groups have conquered the country even fairly recently
.....or bringing back the king which was suggested and would have very likely worked in creating a country which wasn't a haven for terrorists but that was considered unacceptable to the Americans. The war was an embarrassment
that's just blatantly false, both alexander and the mongols sucessfully conquered the place. the greco-bactrian kingdom lasted for nearly 300 years. likewise the chagatai khanate held onto it until it was taken by the timurids, another foreign power, about a century later. the whole 'graveyard of empires' thing is purely a modern invention to excuse modern failures of nation-building.
Not him but the problem has always been this gay modern nation building idea. 2500 years ago, some empire or kingdom or what have you would send a tax collector to a tribal village in Bumfrick, Afghanistan and tell them "hey we own you, pay us or we'll burn your village down" and the Afghans understood that and paid their taxes. They haven't advanced at all since then, that's still all they understand.
So when British, Russians or Americans saunter into their backwards shithole country offering them stupid things like civilization, or equality or freedom or whatever, they just think that's pussy shit and couldn't care less. That's why they won. Ivy League educated western elites literally just cannot grasp that their bullshit rhetoric doesn't work on people who have no desire for our gay modern western culture.
They won because we didn't pay enough taxes to properly fund the feminist art appreciation classes in Kabul
>unironic "noble savage" shit
Frick you, 1st-world pampered baby. No person besides basement dwelling contrarians would refuse the absolutely insane benefits of western civilization. It's just that before that would be nice to have food regularly, or a house you can live in till you die, or assurances that if you have all this tomorrow a turban-wearing neanderthal won't take it all away because he has a gun and neanderthal friends around the corner.
The Us failed or never cared to actually provide this for the people in Afghanistan. As the result there was tremendous divide between the folk in couple big cities, where America was kinda present, and all the others. So when the fricking bandits decided to take control no one had enough free time or resources to go against them. And the civilized city population was too small for it. Afghanistan was a fricking tragedy for everyone inside of it, not including the fricking criminals that run it now, draining everything from normal folk. Man, frick you again.
You're right, we should just try again. We'll get it right next time and Afghanistan will finally become to civilized country it was always meant to be.
You fricking moron.
False. Go back.
Listen anon, that's fascinating cope and all but I want to see Soviet desert kino, ok. Plus commie Afghanistan lasted til 92
it's facts. it's not a debate. we would never get good film because no one in the west wants to glorify the taliban and russians aren't capable of making anything that's not propaganda
I remember enjoying 9th Company and Charlie Wilson's War did glorify the mujahedeen to a degree, the taliban appear later
>the russians got the shit kicked out of them in afhganistan. it was a military loss.
Lol, they lost about 15k KIA in 10 years, killed a million hajis and the DRA literally outlived the Soviet Union. They achieved everything they set out to do, and had to pull out because the USSR was collapsing due to Reagan's sanctions and the Gosplan computers couldn't plan the economy, not because they "got the shit kicked out of them".
I get that it's dunking on the russkie season, but let's not just rewrite history
it's always been "let's just rewrite history" season
True that
Some of the best kinos about vietnam are just watching veteran interviews on youtube. They have some damn crazy stories especially some of the first guys in country, special forces, and helo pilots. One guy did four tours, and on his last tour stepped into a trap, got burned on most of his body and spent months in a burn unit. Lost weight down to almost 100 lbs as the burns were killing him. The doctors did all they could but had pretty much given up on him and put him in the area where patients go to die. But miraculously he managed to pull through. Has skin grafts on much of his body. He waa thankful he managed to keep his dick kek
What was his name? I'll trade you Sammy Lee Davis, used a howitzer like a shotgun with grapeshot to mow down asiatics and then floated around on an air mattress rescuing wounded guys.
Damn so you're telling me this guy got hurt, went to a hospital, and then got better?
Thats fricking epic bro
I was lucky because my dad was a door gunner on Huey's but he never had that "ahh war is hell i'm so sad" mentality so I got to hear all of his stories when I got old enough.
Told me once about the time his flight which I guess was like 2 hueys, an OH-6 and Cobra came upon a company of NVA fording a river and they had no AA so they just kept making passes then coming back to shoot them some more until basically the whole company was wiped out.
He said it felt great to get to actually see what he was shooting at for a change
Did you ask him how he could shoot women and children
He told me the trick was just not to lead them so much
People don't listen to Creedence Clearwater Revival anymore
war movies hurt morale for israel's wars in the middle east and khazaria. the last thing they need is gentiles who they can't tell them they are heroes for dying for israel because they saw platoon and realized its pointless to be a mercenary for some rich guys money making venture
the communists won 50 years later anyway while your friend got mowed down in machine gun fire for no reason
>tfw no border war films
Who would watch that? Few surviving White South Africans? Elon Musk?
Haha remember when the goverment drafted right leaning men to go die in a jungle and gave exclusions to left leaning and college "educated" men to change american voting patterns?
No? When was that?
Correct take.
Also notice our economy boomed. Not all wars are faught to be won
It's been done to death. Tropic Thunder made that pretty clear.
The Vietnam generation is now geriatric. There is no reason to make movies for them anymore.
>Vietnam sequence ends
>Last notes of It Aint Me fade out
>Fade in on post-war malaise sequence
>Just a Shot Away begins
When was the last war the US actually won? WWII (debatable)?
gulf war definitely, destroyed the Iraqi's and had no occupation to frick up
US won both iraq and afghanistan. The occupation afterwards is not a war and by definition has no resolution apart from genocide or magically the population loving the occupiers.
Civil war. They’ve never won a war by themselves.
What about the Franco-Prussian war?
>The opponent is Communists
>half the audience won't tolerate the same tired old Boomer Draft Dodger bullshit
>MACVSOG only could talk about their exploits in the past ten years or so, less time to develop scripts
because those viewers are aging out
they made em all already
We see right through it; american man is the white savior who tries to save a village, but cant stop the rape if a young girl and brutal murder of the elders. They try to make hollyweird out to be some noble hero, but in this day and age, everyone knows this was an evil genocide. Come for me.
Frick that, Barnes was right.
Barnes wasn't right. He was an Animus-self possessed sadist, shadow-contrasted to Anima-possessed homosexual "crusader" Elias.
Platoon is one of the most Jungian-coded films ever made, rivaling only Total Recall.
This. It is such a clear cut case of westerners invading, not liberating, but invading a county defending __itself__.
I swear 80% of people don’t realize Vietnam started in 1945 for the vietimese when France went back in to try to retake their colonies post ww2
That must have been why no Vietnamese fought on the American side
Fricking moron you dont know shit about shit
>but muh traitors
aks yourself why vietcong was a thing but there was no pro-american rebellions in the north
Wrong. The frogs didn’t even take possession of indochina back from the British in 1945. It also started under the British, who had hoe chi minh nearly beat, asked to delay the handover for a few months to finish the job, the crowd said non and fricked everything up. Kys troon.
Brainwashed demolelized posters. Good tools.
Mahwhataboutism.
Let me know when china invades Mexico about how china is in the right because some Mexicans fight on the side of china
dilate troony
no it wasn't. south vietnam invited the usa in as their country was getting invaded by well equipped communists. there was also other friendly sea countries in the region involved in the war, it wasn't just the usa and australia. basically the entire sea region was on the side of south vietnam. it was russian and chinese imperialism destabilizing the region
I guess Americans kind of forgot about Vietnam, but they certainly haven't forgotten about America.
Maybe we can go kill russians then make a movie about how killing Russians made our soldiers sad.
Vietnam is actually on good terms with America now. Helps that Vietnam REALLY hates China, America was an enemy for a decade but China has been their enemy for centuries, and now America is their ally against China.
Danger Close was recent and good, nothing that new but it's a solid film.
The POW-MIA issue doesn't have the traction it once had, and without it it's really hard for Americans to not come off as the bad guys.
>The POW-MIA issue
Filthy zoomer here, so what exactly was this about?
Bullshit “the Vietnam are hiding pows underground” decades after the war cope for MIA G.I.s
Ou have to understand sometimes in war body’s get blown up into mist, just because their isn’t a body bag doesn’t mean they being kept underground and milked 24/7 for American semen to pregoo Vietnam women with strong genes.
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It was a bullshit conspiracy theory exploited by Nixon and Reagan to get dumb voters to forget about all the shit America did in Vietnam in order to shift the focus on an imaginary problem.
I never really understood this. "A Republican administration abandoned a bunch of prisoners in Vietnam to rot, so vote Republican because we'll totally get them back this time" seems like a dumb argument, people actually believed this bullshit?
Because it turned out that it was, in fact, me.
Will there ever be a movie about the magic of American occupation of Afghanistan that made poppies grow like crazy?
WAR IS HELL bros
I still don’t understand why they lined up like that and took turns shooting while the other guys just stood there
I haven't watched the Aussie Long Tan movie yet but it looks interesting
also there was a Korean ghost horror set in Vietnam made recently I think
Because frick boomers, who gives a frick?