He was just a normal guy at the beginning of the show, then the fans started hating him for some reason. Because Dan Harmon did a bunch of nepotism hires, the new writers said "I guess he's the character everyone hates" and they just go with that now.
I liked Jerry at first because he seemed like a clever parody of "sitcom dad". He was mediocre, but he knew it and was trying to make the best of it. If I remember right, his first scene is trying to spend more time with his wife because he (correctly) thinks they don't have a very good marriage. It's Beth who wants to ignore the problem.
Comedy is a lot easier to shit writers when they have a punching bag to attack instead of creating a character/ logical scenario and a reason for it aka doing their job and writing.
Yeah its really hard to mention the vegana every time you write an episode, its pretty standard now that the female characters get angry at a male character and then create a plot point that requires the veganas attention because haha women have veganas woah!
what was the point of the incest baby
it wasn't funny or necessarily shocking, just disgusting
my guess is the female writers are so inept to the style of R&M writing style that their best to gross/silly comedy was a giant incest baby because they cant stop thinking about their vegana and adding reference to eggs and sperm because haha so funny...how? They clearly had no plans for incestbaby it and now it adds nothing to the story or character development and its just a thing that exists now with no purpose at all because the forced female writers are moronic.
From the very first pilot episode you could tell that they realized having him as a counter to Rick simply wouldn't work. That's why the whole concerned father shit was immediately dropped.
>He was just a normal guy at the beginning of the show
The third episode of the series is about his parents having a cucking fetish and him being embarrassed about it. The fourth episode in the series is the one where Jerry is too dumb to notice he's in a simulation that keeps glitching out and he gets fired from his job in the real world.
Jerry was built from the start to be the series punching bag. Some pathetic losers just unironically related to him.
>Some pathetic losers just unironically related to him.
He's the only relatable character in the show; Rick is a lunatic and Morty changes personality with each writer.
This.
Jerry is just some typical unremarkable guy. but then, somewhere in season 3 they made him admit to being sexist and racist...for whatever reason. Despite never really coming off as one.
A few reasons, he's a pathetic leech of a man, asks his like 16 year old daughter for her money because he refuses to get a job, yet still tries to claim he's the "man of the house" or anything of the sort.
Now that wouldn't be too bad, but it's juxtaposed with Rick being practically fearless in the face of real life problems, again while Jerry simply rots through a life of modernity
Really? I know Cinemaphile isn't a hivemind but the anons that dislike Meg bashing are certainly outnumbered by anons claiming that only women and s-o-is feel offended
Meg bashing came about as later writers realized Seth conceptualized very little character for her and Chris.
Early Meg and Chris episodes were early FG's weakest points, which is why Chris became flanderized into Monkey and Seth Green meta jokes and Meg a grossout punching bag.
They should have kept the joke of Chris being a dude-bro at least 10 years older mentally than his actual age like in the proto-pilot.
The time he, so overwhelmingly stupidly, as was in-character for him, used the entirely new, never seen before, time travel remote of Morty's, undoing his entire relationship with that choker girl, is the day I swore to hate him evermore.
I think anon's point is "why would he use a remote he's never seen before, that's obviously not the tv remote, why would he touch it, especially if it's in morty's bag, it would be morty's, not jerry's"
however, I find it likely that rick has replaced household items with new versions that he has created before, and jerry may have just believed rick made a new remote for the tv, then it fell off the couch and landed on top of morty's bag; it looked tv-remote-esque and jerry did not have a reason to believe it would be as powerful as a timeloop remote
even if jerry was in the wrong, here, for touching something that wasn't his, it's only because it happened to have extreme effects jerry could not have ever predicted that make him unlikable in the scene
Everyone hate's their own reflection.
Legit, he is the side that Harmon sees others don't and he hates it about himself. On the outside he thinks he is some progressive warrior, when in reality he is a weak, lily livered weekend numbers cruncher who wishes he could do more.
Dumb dad characters are nothing new: Homer in The Simpsons, Tom DuBois is The Boondocks, Tim Taylor in Home Improvement, Hal in Malcolm in the Middle, etc. - men prone to bad-decision making on whom Life constantly craps on, and whose inherent character flaws lead themselves and their families into trouble. Homer is an idiot, Tom is a coward, Tim is impulsive, Hal is selfish, etc. What keeps them from becoming obnoxious pieces of shit is that these characters are frequently shown to be capable of overcoming their own flaws, especially when it's important to their family. Homer is a moron, but he occasionally has a clever idea or a thoughtful insight. Hal's a self-centered ass, but he'll sacrifice anything for his sons if it's important.
Jerry is stupid, spineless, impulsive, selfish, and has basically no emotional bond with his family. He doesn't make any sacrifices, he doesn't do anything thoughtful or caring, his relationship with Beth is the worst kind of toxic enablement, he treats his kids like shit, and he doesn't have a single shred of humility.
Jerry is a victim of biased writing. He exists to be the lame guy that's holding back Rick and the family from their self destructive shenanigans. But then, when they successfully wrote him out for season 3 they kept bringing him back because their so dependent on these Family Guy level jokes where they need a punching bag character.
I think the worst part is how Jerry is constantly shit on for being a beta male and generally weak...except he routinely tries to stand up to Rick and lay down the law. I don't know what the frick the reddit definition of an "alpha male" is but Jerry is trying his hardest to be a good father. Problem is Rick is a genuine Mary Sue and the writers do everything they can to make Jerry look like the bad guy.
Jerry seems to be a representation of the fear of becoming boring. It's a typical fear to have as you're pushing 30, the fear you can't impress people as easily as when you were younger. Jerry used to be this good-natured but insecure guy trying to seem cool to his children and failing because Rick is impossible to compete with. The problem is whoever writes R&M now seems to think that you should not, in fact, accept who you are and be a quirky douche instead, so Jerry is made progressively more pathetic to push that message.
I'd argue that jerry showed he had potential in the same season. When the world gets fricked over by Rick's mistake he's the one that steps up to save his family. The potential was always there jerry just never realised it.
>He abandons his wife to be attacked by a hobo to save his own skin.
Why is this such an outrageous thing? Many people would do the same IRL. It's moronic how people nowadays talk so much about how men are "toxically masculine" and such but the moment one of them doesn't sacrifices himself for a woman hes a worthless pussy.
I was going to say Jerry is 34-35 based on Summer's known age and the age he stated he was when he became a dad, though the writers seem to write him a lot older (I.E Rick asking Beth if he's 50).
I wouldn't say fear of getting boring is a "pushing 30" kind of thing, Mid life Crisis is like a 40 year olds game but I guess all the millennial now entering their 30s freaking out over it.
I thought the point of the show was that everyone was a piece of shit and Morty/Summer, the only good ones, were becoming pieces of shit because of terrible parenting and Ricks Godawful influence and manipulative tendencies
The real reason is because he is the punching bag trope aka Meg. Even though the show is better with him being a foil to Rick they decided to make him some weird loser guy. Like he should be kind of shlubby but still be respected to some degree. His characterization was so much stronger back when he was a normal dad. Actually all the characters for the most part were better before they were dovoloed.
Stupid people hate who they're told to hate.
They're informed that Jerry is a loser via the producer basically leaning into screen from off camera and going 'This homie, am I right' and as soon as that happens they're more than happy to Emmanuel Goldstein anyone.
He was just a normal guy at the beginning of the show, then the fans started hating him for some reason. Because Dan Harmon did a bunch of nepotism hires, the new writers said "I guess he's the character everyone hates" and they just go with that now.
I liked Jerry at first because he seemed like a clever parody of "sitcom dad". He was mediocre, but he knew it and was trying to make the best of it. If I remember right, his first scene is trying to spend more time with his wife because he (correctly) thinks they don't have a very good marriage. It's Beth who wants to ignore the problem.
Writing Beth and Summer episodes is hard.
Comedy is a lot easier to shit writers when they have a punching bag to attack instead of creating a character/ logical scenario and a reason for it aka doing their job and writing.
Yeah its really hard to mention the vegana every time you write an episode, its pretty standard now that the female characters get angry at a male character and then create a plot point that requires the veganas attention because haha women have veganas woah!
my guess is the female writers are so inept to the style of R&M writing style that their best to gross/silly comedy was a giant incest baby because they cant stop thinking about their vegana and adding reference to eggs and sperm because haha so funny...how? They clearly had no plans for incestbaby it and now it adds nothing to the story or character development and its just a thing that exists now with no purpose at all because the forced female writers are moronic.
From the very first pilot episode you could tell that they realized having him as a counter to Rick simply wouldn't work. That's why the whole concerned father shit was immediately dropped.
>He was just a normal guy at the beginning of the show
The third episode of the series is about his parents having a cucking fetish and him being embarrassed about it. The fourth episode in the series is the one where Jerry is too dumb to notice he's in a simulation that keeps glitching out and he gets fired from his job in the real world.
Jerry was built from the start to be the series punching bag. Some pathetic losers just unironically related to him.
He exists as a way to justify Morty being Morty.
>Some pathetic losers just unironically related to him.
He's the only relatable character in the show; Rick is a lunatic and Morty changes personality with each writer.
Who do you relate to, rick? morty? like who is the real loser here.
Because
>character x sucks haha
Is the easiest joke in the universe and Harmon is a fricking hack
Tricia likes him.
Nice
because r&m fans know deep down they're him and not le epic scientist man
This.
Jerry is just some typical unremarkable guy. but then, somewhere in season 3 they made him admit to being sexist and racist...for whatever reason. Despite never really coming off as one.
He's unambitious specifically because he is not skilled in any particular area.
A few reasons, he's a pathetic leech of a man, asks his like 16 year old daughter for her money because he refuses to get a job, yet still tries to claim he's the "man of the house" or anything of the sort.
Now that wouldn't be too bad, but it's juxtaposed with Rick being practically fearless in the face of real life problems, again while Jerry simply rots through a life of modernity
That's already flanderized Jerry. This show's decline was very rapid.
Pretty much all the characters have become flanderized. No one is likeable anymore.
I still like summer, but only when there’s incest jokes
That was like season 2
one word to summarize him: Cuck
Because Rick hates him and Rick is literally me so I have to hate him too.
what was the point of the incest baby
it wasn't funny or necessarily shocking, just disgusting
Nerd morty got his wish of making incest more mainstream
For me the better question is why Jerry's bashing bother anons so much but Meg's bashing is OK and if you don't like it mean you lack sense of humor?
Most people on here hate Meg bashing too, esspessially when the show tries to portray Meg as ugly and Lois as hot despite them looking very similar.
Really? I know Cinemaphile isn't a hivemind but the anons that dislike Meg bashing are certainly outnumbered by anons claiming that only women and s-o-is feel offended
Meg bashing came about as later writers realized Seth conceptualized very little character for her and Chris.
Early Meg and Chris episodes were early FG's weakest points, which is why Chris became flanderized into Monkey and Seth Green meta jokes and Meg a grossout punching bag.
They should have kept the joke of Chris being a dude-bro at least 10 years older mentally than his actual age like in the proto-pilot.
The time he, so overwhelmingly stupidly, as was in-character for him, used the entirely new, never seen before, time travel remote of Morty's, undoing his entire relationship with that choker girl, is the day I swore to hate him evermore.
This a joke or something, you literally said he had never seen it before.
I think anon's point is "why would he use a remote he's never seen before, that's obviously not the tv remote, why would he touch it, especially if it's in morty's bag, it would be morty's, not jerry's"
however, I find it likely that rick has replaced household items with new versions that he has created before, and jerry may have just believed rick made a new remote for the tv, then it fell off the couch and landed on top of morty's bag; it looked tv-remote-esque and jerry did not have a reason to believe it would be as powerful as a timeloop remote
even if jerry was in the wrong, here, for touching something that wasn't his, it's only because it happened to have extreme effects jerry could not have ever predicted that make him unlikable in the scene
Everyone hate's their own reflection.
Legit, he is the side that Harmon sees others don't and he hates it about himself. On the outside he thinks he is some progressive warrior, when in reality he is a weak, lily livered weekend numbers cruncher who wishes he could do more.
Dumb dad characters are nothing new: Homer in The Simpsons, Tom DuBois is The Boondocks, Tim Taylor in Home Improvement, Hal in Malcolm in the Middle, etc. - men prone to bad-decision making on whom Life constantly craps on, and whose inherent character flaws lead themselves and their families into trouble. Homer is an idiot, Tom is a coward, Tim is impulsive, Hal is selfish, etc. What keeps them from becoming obnoxious pieces of shit is that these characters are frequently shown to be capable of overcoming their own flaws, especially when it's important to their family. Homer is a moron, but he occasionally has a clever idea or a thoughtful insight. Hal's a self-centered ass, but he'll sacrifice anything for his sons if it's important.
Jerry is stupid, spineless, impulsive, selfish, and has basically no emotional bond with his family. He doesn't make any sacrifices, he doesn't do anything thoughtful or caring, his relationship with Beth is the worst kind of toxic enablement, he treats his kids like shit, and he doesn't have a single shred of humility.
That's why people hate Jerry.
Jerry is a victim of biased writing. He exists to be the lame guy that's holding back Rick and the family from their self destructive shenanigans. But then, when they successfully wrote him out for season 3 they kept bringing him back because their so dependent on these Family Guy level jokes where they need a punching bag character.
I think the worst part is how Jerry is constantly shit on for being a beta male and generally weak...except he routinely tries to stand up to Rick and lay down the law. I don't know what the frick the reddit definition of an "alpha male" is but Jerry is trying his hardest to be a good father. Problem is Rick is a genuine Mary Sue and the writers do everything they can to make Jerry look like the bad guy.
>but Jerry is trying his hardest to be a good father
No he isn't.
Meh
I mean, one of his persistent personality traits from the beginning is that he doesn't try that hard and he doesn't care about others.
Recent seasons are the ones that try to humanize and change him.
Jerry seems to be a representation of the fear of becoming boring. It's a typical fear to have as you're pushing 30, the fear you can't impress people as easily as when you were younger. Jerry used to be this good-natured but insecure guy trying to seem cool to his children and failing because Rick is impossible to compete with. The problem is whoever writes R&M now seems to think that you should not, in fact, accept who you are and be a quirky douche instead, so Jerry is made progressively more pathetic to push that message.
Once again, Jerry being a pathetic, selfish, egotistical loser was all baked into the character as early as season one.
He abandons his wife to be attacked by a hobo to save his own skin.
Every negative aspect of Jerry's character is a completely overshadowed by the others.
But the thing with Jerry is that he was built with only negative aspects. He was made with no redeeming qualities.
I'd argue that jerry showed he had potential in the same season. When the world gets fricked over by Rick's mistake he's the one that steps up to save his family. The potential was always there jerry just never realised it.
>He abandons his wife to be attacked by a hobo to save his own skin.
Why is this such an outrageous thing? Many people would do the same IRL. It's moronic how people nowadays talk so much about how men are "toxically masculine" and such but the moment one of them doesn't sacrifices himself for a woman hes a worthless pussy.
this is all your own words, stop constructing strawmen
I was going to say Jerry is 34-35 based on Summer's known age and the age he stated he was when he became a dad, though the writers seem to write him a lot older (I.E Rick asking Beth if he's 50).
I wouldn't say fear of getting boring is a "pushing 30" kind of thing, Mid life Crisis is like a 40 year olds game but I guess all the millennial now entering their 30s freaking out over it.
Because he reminds audiences of their pathetic selves. Too real for escapism
It's standard these days to undermine the father figure in all media.
Jerry is the meg
I thought the point of the show was that everyone was a piece of shit and Morty/Summer, the only good ones, were becoming pieces of shit because of terrible parenting and Ricks Godawful influence and manipulative tendencies
The real reason is because he is the punching bag trope aka Meg. Even though the show is better with him being a foil to Rick they decided to make him some weird loser guy. Like he should be kind of shlubby but still be respected to some degree. His characterization was so much stronger back when he was a normal dad. Actually all the characters for the most part were better before they were dovoloed.
Because he's voiced by chris parnell, the eternal cuck thanks to cyril figgis
Dogs in space coukdnt salvage his reputation as cuck voice even when he got to play the cool smuggler dog
cause he is a straight white male from an IP that belongs to the current toxic and misandric western society
Because he's useless
I don't hate him at all, I think his wife is far more deserving of hatred.
Stupid people hate who they're told to hate.
They're informed that Jerry is a loser via the producer basically leaning into screen from off camera and going 'This homie, am I right' and as soon as that happens they're more than happy to Emmanuel Goldstein anyone.