america decides the success of a series, and americans have no clue what bongland is actually like irl, so you had people going to see the movies because they thought it was interesting that the british had incorporated magic in their day to day lives. on the other hand no one in the states would be interested in watching a movie about some kid who's into greek mythology, aka a nerd
More importantly, it's literally the inverse of Harry Potter - in HP you escape the boring modern world to get into the magical isekai, whereas in this Percy Jackson thing you escape the magical isekai to get into the boring modern world. You gotta be moronic to not understand the appeal of Harry Potter and write a book(?) and make a film in this manner.
Are you a Europe? Or just in the slightly in the wrong demographic (nowadays not even underage) to understand why it worked at the time. There was nothing like Harry Potter at the time. It was just insane there was that many movies following a single story with a single cast. You can't really recreate that, because Harry Potter started the book craze (most people read less before it too) and the trend of long running stories. And it wasn't good. They're shit generic movies and generic books, but it hadn't been done before so it got everyone hyped. Also Harry Potter left in shit for parents taking their kids by getting really competent adult actors to make the right facial expressions at each other in the background that kid viewers didn't pick up on, but gave the adults enough to keep their attention. The time is wrong for Percy Jackson, the readers are now adults who are now not so interested in it, they can't recreate the craze of Harry Potter, they made half the cast black, and not kids (kids now didn't read these books) don't want to follow shows with a bunch of kids anymore so you'd have to add content with the gods, but Percy Jackson is a hard series to shoehorn adult actors into.
Greek mythology works, see Kevin Sorbo's Hercules series, and the spin-off Xena Warrior Princess.
Percy Jackson failed because you can't sell the Greek pantheon as mixed race. Occasionally an Asian or African would wander up to Greece or the heroes would go to some far off land but ultimately it was a white show for white mythology. Mutting up Percy Jackson was a death sentence.
yeah they also loved that movie about the owls. Eragor and the dragon or some shit? also arthur fowl or whatever it was. just a trust-fund harry potter ripoff
I think you're based. >Owls of Ga'Hoole
fantasy Watership Down with owls from what I remember >Eragon
Shit but the dragon was smoking hot and Eragon's cousin or whatever was cool >Artemis Fowl
fricking kino
>real thing vs bargain bin version >rowling keeping such a leash on production ensured Spielberg wouldn’t be in a position to frick up the whole appeal of the mania and kept the casting relatively accurate >one was a project that the studio very clearly cared about, the other was a blatant cash grab riding on the former making the genre profitable >abridgement of HP just cut out side details while largely sticking to the books where possible, while PJ’s abridgement made it utterly nonsensical while making it barely keep the beats in place, let alone specifics
The fandom and the feeling of "belonging" in something. Hogwarts houses are kind of the same like Avatar tribes, people can talk about where they'd belong which keeps sales high.
PJ has nothing.
Harry Potter was held together by good adult actors and got better over time Whereas the pj series started rather mediocre and then immediately flopped with a really shitty sequel which probably killed it ig
Funnily enough, the sequel is more in-line with the books than the first one, which creates massive gaping plotholes like why Poseidon only communicates with Percy in cryptical, almost imperceptible ways, which is entirely at odds with how in the first movie he comes and goes as he pleases, or the weirdly rushed introduction of Kronos when in the books he's established as the big bad from the start.
The thing is... the books are not really that good or imaginative (the oh it's that thing from greek mythology but it is dressed as a modern clichê is only clever the first few times).
PJ had some good adult actors, they just weren’t used for anything more than poster bait. Granted the source material is very heavily kid character focused, but they were pissing the source material up a wall anyway so that shouldn’t have stopped them.
Harry Potter stayed mostly faithful to the source material while adding small imrpovements here and there, by the time the whole thing had turned into a green borefest the people were already invested.
Percy Jackson is based on a much less compelling property and whatever charm it had was sucked away and replaced with exec meddling, if you ever read the books you'll immediately notice that the movies are NOTHING like the books, as in they're completely different stories, things are introduced long before they should, creating massive problems with the narrative of future stories, and everything has this weird fakeass Hollywood touch to it.
They're for kids, mostly boys given the tone, similar to Harry Potter it gets progressively grittier as the books go but never too charged or complicated, Percy can be a little bit sue-ish but it is sorta justified given he's the son of one of the big three gods (Another character like him is introduced later on as a counterbalance) and he's also far more proactive than Harry Potter; all in all there's some really creative concepts at play too that really get the imagination going (Tough I would argue this is the one place the movies had an edge on) and the adventures the characters go on are fairly exciting.
They're faily short books, so reading them is no issue particularly if you like Harry Potter, just do yourself a favor and stop after The Last Olympian, the newer books are really meh.
she's still beautiful. she's just not used to the fact that now bad angles/hairstyles/outfits/makeup is possible for her, which is something the other two are aware of. she's spent her whole life as an 11/10. 10 years ago it was literally impossible to take a bad photo of her. she needs to stop with the goofy outfits, goofy hairstyles, odd makeup choices and clean her self up like kstew in that photo and she looks amazing. there's plenty of photos of her from 2023 where she looks beautiful.
>book 1’s twist is that Hades was never the bad guy, and he was only assumed to be because of the bad adaptions constantly painting him as the villain >bad adaption paints him as the villain
BRAVO, NOLAN
Harry Potter is more conductive to low effort escapist fantasies due to:
All being set in 1 magical setting that is fairly well fleshed out, instead of a huge spanning world that is mostly just barely explored.
Powers that is whatever you want rather than being tied to myth.
Harry having his parentage hidden for him so kids can pretend they are secret wizards just like him.
Houses that work like horoscopes, so kids can wonder what houses them and their friends would fit in.
>Houses that work like horoscopes, so kids can wonder what houses them and their friends would fit in.
YA tried so hard to copy this, and it worked fairly well for a lot of them.
because children desperately wanted to get a letter stating they are special and will be attending a school full of other special wizard children. Instead they live their boring lives being ignored by their parents and teachers and nothing of note happens to them.
As many have pointed out in this thread, but that I hope to make it clearer:
Percy Jackson failed because it did not have a coherent aesthetic, while Harry Potter very much did.
It's not because of the writing or the plot or whatever. JK sucked as a writer, but she did maintain a very english, middle-ages aesthetic, despite being modern urban fantasy. Meanwhile, Percy Jackson rejected the greek aesthetics almost completely. It might as well have been a modern US high school. It was fricking boring.
BIG
BLUE
WAND
is a racetrack in Mario Kart
america decides the success of a series, and americans have no clue what bongland is actually like irl, so you had people going to see the movies because they thought it was interesting that the british had incorporated magic in their day to day lives. on the other hand no one in the states would be interested in watching a movie about some kid who's into greek mythology, aka a nerd
More importantly, it's literally the inverse of Harry Potter - in HP you escape the boring modern world to get into the magical isekai, whereas in this Percy Jackson thing you escape the magical isekai to get into the boring modern world. You gotta be moronic to not understand the appeal of Harry Potter and write a book(?) and make a film in this manner.
>ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI ! ISEKAI !
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um actually I go to Bongland on Google Earth all the time?????! as a matter of fact, I'm there right now
Are you a Europe? Or just in the slightly in the wrong demographic (nowadays not even underage) to understand why it worked at the time. There was nothing like Harry Potter at the time. It was just insane there was that many movies following a single story with a single cast. You can't really recreate that, because Harry Potter started the book craze (most people read less before it too) and the trend of long running stories. And it wasn't good. They're shit generic movies and generic books, but it hadn't been done before so it got everyone hyped. Also Harry Potter left in shit for parents taking their kids by getting really competent adult actors to make the right facial expressions at each other in the background that kid viewers didn't pick up on, but gave the adults enough to keep their attention. The time is wrong for Percy Jackson, the readers are now adults who are now not so interested in it, they can't recreate the craze of Harry Potter, they made half the cast black, and not kids (kids now didn't read these books) don't want to follow shows with a bunch of kids anymore so you'd have to add content with the gods, but Percy Jackson is a hard series to shoehorn adult actors into.
Greek mythology works, see Kevin Sorbo's Hercules series, and the spin-off Xena Warrior Princess.
Percy Jackson failed because you can't sell the Greek pantheon as mixed race. Occasionally an Asian or African would wander up to Greece or the heroes would go to some far off land but ultimately it was a white show for white mythology. Mutting up Percy Jackson was a death sentence.
ayo hol up
i never knew anyone to read percy jackson books
maybe they exist
but almost everyone that was a girl or half a gay read harry potter
People start reading Harry Potter rip-offs after they're done reading/watching Harry Potter for the 50th time.
theatre girls loved that shit
yeah they also loved that movie about the owls. Eragor and the dragon or some shit? also arthur fowl or whatever it was. just a trust-fund harry potter ripoff
>I read and enjoyed all of these
>I am a male
What does this mean, bros?
Depends how old you were at the time.
Artemis Fowl is particular was aimed at pre teen boys that were just getting edgy enough to root for the bad guy
I'm pretty sure Artemis is the reason I use Cinemaphile today
I think you're based.
>Owls of Ga'Hoole
fantasy Watership Down with owls from what I remember
>Eragon
Shit but the dragon was smoking hot and Eragon's cousin or whatever was cool
>Artemis Fowl
fricking kino
Because deh
because Percy Jackson is a godawful ripoff of Harry Potter
>percy
oh, i get it. like Persius. very clever i guess?
>not calling it Class of the Titans
They wanted to fail.
>real thing vs bargain bin version
>rowling keeping such a leash on production ensured Spielberg wouldn’t be in a position to frick up the whole appeal of the mania and kept the casting relatively accurate
>one was a project that the studio very clearly cared about, the other was a blatant cash grab riding on the former making the genre profitable
>abridgement of HP just cut out side details while largely sticking to the books where possible, while PJ’s abridgement made it utterly nonsensical while making it barely keep the beats in place, let alone specifics
shieeeet
Harry Potter has comfy British aesthetics.
Book accurate-ish vs half remembered dream of the books
You can get a magic card and go to Hogwarts, but you're not the son of some God.
The first two movies were charming and made people get invested in the characters.
Harry Potter? yeah.
Yeah, the HP movies.
The fandom and the feeling of "belonging" in something. Hogwarts houses are kind of the same like Avatar tribes, people can talk about where they'd belong which keeps sales high.
PJ has nothing.
Doesn't they have houses in the camp? That you were put on depending on who your parent was?
so yo be sayun
>american harry potter
>has Black folk in the cast
heh
YOU'RE A WIZZARD HARRY
im a wot!?
YER A WOMBAT 'ARRY
Harry Potter was held together by good adult actors and got better over time Whereas the pj series started rather mediocre and then immediately flopped with a really shitty sequel which probably killed it ig
Funnily enough, the sequel is more in-line with the books than the first one, which creates massive gaping plotholes like why Poseidon only communicates with Percy in cryptical, almost imperceptible ways, which is entirely at odds with how in the first movie he comes and goes as he pleases, or the weirdly rushed introduction of Kronos when in the books he's established as the big bad from the start.
The thing is... the books are not really that good or imaginative (the oh it's that thing from greek mythology but it is dressed as a modern clichê is only clever the first few times).
PJ had some good adult actors, they just weren’t used for anything more than poster bait. Granted the source material is very heavily kid character focused, but they were pissing the source material up a wall anyway so that shouldn’t have stopped them.
Harry Potter stayed mostly faithful to the source material while adding small imrpovements here and there, by the time the whole thing had turned into a green borefest the people were already invested.
Percy Jackson is based on a much less compelling property and whatever charm it had was sucked away and replaced with exec meddling, if you ever read the books you'll immediately notice that the movies are NOTHING like the books, as in they're completely different stories, things are introduced long before they should, creating massive problems with the narrative of future stories, and everything has this weird fakeass Hollywood touch to it.
Are the PJ books any good? I'll never read them but just want to know.
They're for kids, mostly boys given the tone, similar to Harry Potter it gets progressively grittier as the books go but never too charged or complicated, Percy can be a little bit sue-ish but it is sorta justified given he's the son of one of the big three gods (Another character like him is introduced later on as a counterbalance) and he's also far more proactive than Harry Potter; all in all there's some really creative concepts at play too that really get the imagination going (Tough I would argue this is the one place the movies had an edge on) and the adventures the characters go on are fairly exciting.
They're faily short books, so reading them is no issue particularly if you like Harry Potter, just do yourself a favor and stop after The Last Olympian, the newer books are really meh.
Harry Potter had Emma. Simple as.
I'd still marry Emma. At least we'd have espresso martinis.
expresso*
still gorgeous
she's still beautiful. she's just not used to the fact that now bad angles/hairstyles/outfits/makeup is possible for her, which is something the other two are aware of. she's spent her whole life as an 11/10. 10 years ago it was literally impossible to take a bad photo of her. she needs to stop with the goofy outfits, goofy hairstyles, odd makeup choices and clean her self up like kstew in that photo and she looks amazing. there's plenty of photos of her from 2023 where she looks beautiful.
>vingardium copiumsa
She'd make a nice trophy wife to a tech billionaire.
she won.
10/10, would kiss.
She has masculine features, if you changed her hair for a short do she'd look like an armenian man.
I thought they were brothers wtf was Hunter games about then
It needed more Thalia
shieeeet
>book 1’s twist is that Hades was never the bad guy, and he was only assumed to be because of the bad adaptions constantly painting him as the villain
>bad adaption paints him as the villain
BRAVO, NOLAN
Harry Potter is more conductive to low effort escapist fantasies due to:
All being set in 1 magical setting that is fairly well fleshed out, instead of a huge spanning world that is mostly just barely explored.
Powers that is whatever you want rather than being tied to myth.
Harry having his parentage hidden for him so kids can pretend they are secret wizards just like him.
Houses that work like horoscopes, so kids can wonder what houses them and their friends would fit in.
das rite
>Houses that work like horoscopes, so kids can wonder what houses them and their friends would fit in.
YA tried so hard to copy this, and it worked fairly well for a lot of them.
Was Rowling actually the first to come up with the concept of child/teenager is put in group depending on what their traits are
Because one is a soulless American ripoff of the other?
Why did it fail?
because children desperately wanted to get a letter stating they are special and will be attending a school full of other special wizard children. Instead they live their boring lives being ignored by their parents and teachers and nothing of note happens to them.
Harry Potter is an escapist reality for children.
As many have pointed out in this thread, but that I hope to make it clearer:
Percy Jackson failed because it did not have a coherent aesthetic, while Harry Potter very much did.
It's not because of the writing or the plot or whatever. JK sucked as a writer, but she did maintain a very english, middle-ages aesthetic, despite being modern urban fantasy. Meanwhile, Percy Jackson rejected the greek aesthetics almost completely. It might as well have been a modern US high school. It was fricking boring.