I used to hate with Cartoon Network would have their HB afternoons where everything blended into the same looking show
Scooby soo
Jabberjaw
Jose and the Pusycats
The 70s was rough for American animation.
Disney was in a rut and weren't making anything a person over 15 would enjoy, Warner Bros basically stopped giving a shit, and HB just content milled out garbage.
Rankin and Bass just paid the Japs to make all their shit (thereby giving those Japanese companies the money they needed to replace them).
Then the 80s came through with their cheap toy commercials and it was just as bad in a new way.
Bad enough that fricking Ralph Bakshi looked like a hero and genius.
That Matt Groening was a savior.
Disney at least regained some respect that it is currently squandering.
The rest is just grim. You got some reasonably interesting shows, but they're split between being self-help for the creators and just being anime rip-offs.
>regained some respect
2d animationwise? Fricking when????
Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet was the last high effort animated movies and that was in 2002
everyone else was just as capable to do cartoons for telvision but nobody stepped up to the plate, Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera at least tried, everyone else were cowards that avoided television
Making animation for television then was the same as making animation for youtube nowadays, you had limited time and resources that would result in a much inferior product. No wonder they wouldn't risk it after Disney had set a super high standard.
Disney did do it in the 80's with their first serialized cartoon "Gummi Bears" etc, they did small things here and there and repurposed their old cartoons. i.e they only got into the television game after Hanna-Barbera had already swan-dived into the deep end, they and everyone else came in when they thought it safe. (profitable)
American animation costs many times more to produce compared to Japanese or Korean animation.
So the only stuff that can get made looks fairly cheap and simplistic, so they can minimize labor costs.
Kids will consume whatever slop put in front of them and companies that push out a bunch of cheap animation have a huge competitive edge over prestige animators
This happened before but over centuries, now it happens over decades.
For example, after the Roman Empire collapsed, there were 400-600 years of shit because of lost knowledge or the Dark Ages.
We are in a creative Dark Age right now. Animation like OP’s example, many video games being trash heaps, movie trash heaps. Maybe we got another 10-20 years before we get back to quality.
There's no money to be made in cartoons any more unless you're making stuff for babies or millennials. All toy deals have fallen through, kids are given iPad when they turn 3, and advertising has all but left cable. So in order to fill your programming block, you get the absolute cheapest slop you can find fresh out of Calarts and pray to God you can sell the advertising slot to some failing toy company that's also taking its last breaths.
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It is even more depressing now, AI art programs is going to rape so many good artists financially.
This pic isn't "depressing"
It's a feature of humanity's short lives
Some craft just gets lost, because we don't keep practicing it.
Here's a bunch of things we don't know how to do that exist for over thousands of years: >the iron swords from Damascus >the stonecutting of the piramids >the underwater Roman mortar
that's just of the top of my head of things we don't know how to do
The quality of literally everything has gone down in the past 30 years because our financial system has incentivized creating shit and selling it for twice the price because it's good for the israelite-- I mean elites.
I don't see what's depressing about me being able to create whatever I want with AI instead of relying on wokeslop-peddling troony homosexual artists raised on tumblr. I hope they do get financially raped and die in poverty, all their work forgotten.
>create whatever I want with AI
AI produces slop. The flood of ai generals on Cinemaphile has convinced me that 99.99% of humanity has nothing good to share creatively. It's a real shame that you have to use AI as a substitute for imagination, I can't imagine going through life without that innate ability.
Ok, what's the point of making an image like this? Why are these AI threads full of images like this. I can't wrap my head around it, there's nothing interesting at all about it.
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weebs and coomers have more free time than anyone else is why
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Whoever commissioned it obviously found it interesting. I don't find gay furry art interesting, yet people commission it all the time. Almost like people have different tastes.
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To jerk off to. 99% of those threads are just porn.
It's not perfect yet, but it gets better with every iteration. I don't know why this needs constant repeating. I guess you just really need to cope to the point you've become delusional. In a few years there will be no difference between AI and the best human artists, I will just prompt what I want and get it to perfection. Like having a personal professional artist back in the day, but works 10000x faster, 10000x cheaper, and does exactly what I want. I could even 3D print heroic sculptures of myself if I wanted within the next decade. So you can seethe and cope all you want, won't matter in the end, troony.
AI is wholly unprofitable, it's supported almost entirely by low-interest loans to startup tech companies that get scooped up by the 7 leading S&P 500 companies. You can even see it making the stock market meme cycle pattern in pic related.
i remember a strange episode of little bear where he was stuck inside because it was raining or something, and he also had to stay quiet because mom bear was doing taxes (yes taxes) and dad bear was napping, and he would occasionally be loud and wake his dad and dad would get this weird demon angered face about it that seemed very out of place for the show.
With a 56% divorce rate in America most people don't grow up in stable homes. It's hard to teach the next generation about wholesome values when your parents weren't even around to take you to chuck e cheese. The future is grim.
>so buck broken he can't face me and speak like a man, knows he's objectively wrong but continues to passive-aggressively cope
You sure are a pathetic thing aren't you?
Hanna-Barbera has 10,000x as much soul as flash animated garbage
You lower my opinion of you with every post. You literally cannot even comprehend what I said, despite being a very basic premise. Such a shameful moron.
The bottom isn't even a TV show. It is from Super Simple Songs, a Canadian youtube thing meant for literal 1-3 year olds. Quality doesn't matter to that demographic, only the paradoxical qualities of repetition and novelty together. So the goal is to churn out as many variants of the same song as possible and it does a great job of providing extremely elementary education (reinforcement; they are not substitutes for parents and early childhood education).
Don't act like it's an entertainment show aimed at school age kids. It is not. To do so is disingenuous.
White men got ousted from the industry in favor of diversity mutts, trannies, prostitutes, and basedboys; though eventually the basedboys got removed too, e.g. Justin Roiland and the Loud House guy.
It started with Hannah Barbera slop and evolved into even cheaper and easier to make computer animation slop.
I used to hate with Cartoon Network would have their HB afternoons where everything blended into the same looking show
Scooby soo
Jabberjaw
Jose and the Pusycats
The 70s was rough for American animation.
Disney was in a rut and weren't making anything a person over 15 would enjoy, Warner Bros basically stopped giving a shit, and HB just content milled out garbage.
Rankin and Bass just paid the Japs to make all their shit (thereby giving those Japanese companies the money they needed to replace them).
Then the 80s came through with their cheap toy commercials and it was just as bad in a new way.
Bad enough that fricking Ralph Bakshi looked like a hero and genius.
That Matt Groening was a savior.
And what are your thoughts about animation today?
Disney at least regained some respect that it is currently squandering.
The rest is just grim. You got some reasonably interesting shows, but they're split between being self-help for the creators and just being anime rip-offs.
>regained some respect
2d animationwise? Fricking when????
Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet was the last high effort animated movies and that was in 2002
everyone else was just as capable to do cartoons for telvision but nobody stepped up to the plate, Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera at least tried, everyone else were cowards that avoided television
Making animation for television then was the same as making animation for youtube nowadays, you had limited time and resources that would result in a much inferior product. No wonder they wouldn't risk it after Disney had set a super high standard.
Disney did do it in the 80's with their first serialized cartoon "Gummi Bears" etc, they did small things here and there and repurposed their old cartoons. i.e they only got into the television game after Hanna-Barbera had already swan-dived into the deep end, they and everyone else came in when they thought it safe. (profitable)
>here and there
And everywhere.
>Disney did do it in the 80's with their first serialized cartoon "Gummi Bears"
Well, pardon us!
Red has been in more Tom & Jerry movies than in tex avery shorts
WELCOME TO THE WACKY
That's Japanese?
Hanna-Barbera has 10,000x as much soul as flash animated garbage
American animation costs many times more to produce compared to Japanese or Korean animation.
So the only stuff that can get made looks fairly cheap and simplistic, so they can minimize labor costs.
Kids will consume whatever slop put in front of them and companies that push out a bunch of cheap animation have a huge competitive edge over prestige animators
bottom looks better than top
pic related
1)Lack of advertising revenue concentrated in one place
2) Zoomers are talentless
3) Women run the networks, its wall to wall tuna.
>Zoomers are talentless
Zoomers aren't making these shows
Yes it's mid 20's poopjeets and asiatics, mid 20's is zoomer.
its kind of disturbing little bear isnt wearing clothes
Show me one bear that wears clothes
We lowered the standards.
This happened before but over centuries, now it happens over decades.
For example, after the Roman Empire collapsed, there were 400-600 years of shit because of lost knowledge or the Dark Ages.
We are in a creative Dark Age right now. Animation like OP’s example, many video games being trash heaps, movie trash heaps. Maybe we got another 10-20 years before we get back to quality.
because you deserve it
Frick you
Because money. If you want quality in any medium you don't go for the mainstream corporation spawned shit, you find passionate "amateurs".
This doesn’t work anymore
Passioned amateurs give us shit like hazbin hotel
Animation is too expensive for that
Little Bear was pagan propaganda.
There's no money to be made in cartoons any more unless you're making stuff for babies or millennials. All toy deals have fallen through, kids are given iPad when they turn 3, and advertising has all but left cable. So in order to fill your programming block, you get the absolute cheapest slop you can find fresh out of Calarts and pray to God you can sell the advertising slot to some failing toy company that's also taking its last breaths.
>top:Roman classical murals
>bottom: middle age mural
Medieval art is soulful and fun thoughever
This is actually depressing
This pic isn't "depressing"
It's a feature of humanity's short lives
Some craft just gets lost, because we don't keep practicing it.
Here's a bunch of things we don't know how to do that exist for over thousands of years:
>the iron swords from Damascus
>the stonecutting of the piramids
>the underwater Roman mortar
that's just of the top of my head of things we don't know how to do
The quality of literally everything has gone down in the past 30 years because our financial system has incentivized creating shit and selling it for twice the price because it's good for the israelite-- I mean elites.
competency crisis
It is even more depressing now, AI art programs is going to rape so many good artists financially.
I don't see what's depressing about me being able to create whatever I want with AI instead of relying on wokeslop-peddling troony homosexual artists raised on tumblr. I hope they do get financially raped and die in poverty, all their work forgotten.
>create whatever I want with AI
AI produces slop. The flood of ai generals on Cinemaphile has convinced me that 99.99% of humanity has nothing good to share creatively. It's a real shame that you have to use AI as a substitute for imagination, I can't imagine going through life without that innate ability.
AI is the substitute for drawing, not imagination. AI prompting is basically a creative writing exercise.
Ok, what's the point of making an image like this? Why are these AI threads full of images like this. I can't wrap my head around it, there's nothing interesting at all about it.
weebs and coomers have more free time than anyone else is why
Whoever commissioned it obviously found it interesting. I don't find gay furry art interesting, yet people commission it all the time. Almost like people have different tastes.
To jerk off to. 99% of those threads are just porn.
It's not perfect yet, but it gets better with every iteration. I don't know why this needs constant repeating. I guess you just really need to cope to the point you've become delusional. In a few years there will be no difference between AI and the best human artists, I will just prompt what I want and get it to perfection. Like having a personal professional artist back in the day, but works 10000x faster, 10000x cheaper, and does exactly what I want. I could even 3D print heroic sculptures of myself if I wanted within the next decade. So you can seethe and cope all you want, won't matter in the end, troony.
that's probably good thing, artists are total degens
AI is wholly unprofitable, it's supported almost entirely by low-interest loans to startup tech companies that get scooped up by the 7 leading S&P 500 companies. You can even see it making the stock market meme cycle pattern in pic related.
De-Whitefication
i remember a strange episode of little bear where he was stuck inside because it was raining or something, and he also had to stay quiet because mom bear was doing taxes (yes taxes) and dad bear was napping, and he would occasionally be loud and wake his dad and dad would get this weird demon angered face about it that seemed very out of place for the show.
Listening to that chicken talk was always so cozy when I was a kid
With a 56% divorce rate in America most people don't grow up in stable homes. It's hard to teach the next generation about wholesome values when your parents weren't even around to take you to chuck e cheese. The future is grim.
>AI keeps getting better
You guys really lack any critical eye. 2 more weeks.
>so buck broken he can't face me and speak like a man, knows he's objectively wrong but continues to passive-aggressively cope
You sure are a pathetic thing aren't you?
>old slop GOOD
>new slop BAD
>can't show any AI images that aren't slop
You lower my opinion of you with every post. You literally cannot even comprehend what I said, despite being a very basic premise. Such a shameful moron.
You sound like every other aitard out there.
He’s right though, HB is a lot less embarrassing than OPs show, even if it also sucks.
The bottom isn't even a TV show. It is from Super Simple Songs, a Canadian youtube thing meant for literal 1-3 year olds. Quality doesn't matter to that demographic, only the paradoxical qualities of repetition and novelty together. So the goal is to churn out as many variants of the same song as possible and it does a great job of providing extremely elementary education (reinforcement; they are not substitutes for parents and early childhood education).
Don't act like it's an entertainment show aimed at school age kids. It is not. To do so is disingenuous.
Art for financial incentive means steady degradation of art until art has no value, “buy” low (read: exert minimum effort) sell high.
White men got ousted from the industry in favor of diversity mutts, trannies, prostitutes, and basedboys; though eventually the basedboys got removed too, e.g. Justin Roiland and the Loud House guy.
Markets, "the race to the bottom", lowest common denominators and capitalism