>Zaslav was sexually assaulted by a family member while Looney Tunes was playing on the television >He doesn't remember much about the event >Except for the fact that they sat together afterwards and watched a cartoon >Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner
Hopefully it gets leaked. Then again the bat-girl movie is also lost, so this situation i making me wonder if “IRL” movies have lower chances to being leaked compared to animated stuff
Investors don't have to pay for long term consequences. The idea that investors owners with legacy goals is ridiculous. Investors win by jumping ship before the collapse. Giving them time to restructure portfolios, leave before shit gets worse, is how the game has been played.
Why would they think long-term? They got money now. If the company goes bankrupt they have no liability and just take their money somewhere else. They have no incentive to think long-term.
The point to thinking long-term is so that the value of the stock goes up and you can sell it later. But most investors are literal boomers who are going to die before that happens, so they want money now and will burn the company down now to get it.
If you're American, you're one trip to the nearest gun store away from contributing to positive change, if you have the balls to actually commit to it.
Considering all of the controversy around the situation of this film, I wouldn't be shocked if someone from production managed to get a copy of the movie. Even if it is just an early cut of the film. People are pissed off enough that someone is going to risk getting theovie and leaking it. May not be for a few years until the heat does down.
I mean considering that Gennedy's Popeye movie leaked in some form, it is not impossible.
Didn't Scooby-Doo and Krypto movie got leaked after one of the animators thought it'll be canned for taxes?
There's a world of difference between another DTV Scooby Doo film and a theatrical Looney Tunes film that got great test scores and has a screenwriter who was just nominated for an Oscar.
I don't get it, lads. The movie's already paid for and the servers are running anyway, why not putting it there and charge people to see it? It's free money, innit.
Why don't Americans force their politicians to stop movies/media/art being able to be used as a tax writeoff, its stupid.
The man seems like a typical >All cartoons is meaningless kid shit, no one should waste time making it
boomer really, he seems to primarily target animation and superhero stuff for deletion.
Didn't Warner Bros. get threatened with congressional hearings for all the movies they were canceling for tax writeoffs? Does Zaslav really give zero shits?
>Didn't Warner Bros. get threatened with congressional hearings for all the movies they were canceling for tax writeoffs?
They were, but it was political theater. If I recall correctly, it was led by Maxine Waters. The real motivation behind the hearing was because WBD was gutting its DEI programs. They were not going to nail them on writeoffs, because writeoffs are an integral part of any business.
If you notice, there are no longer talks of hearings. Because every other fricking studio and tech company has been laying people off, and the first to go are diversity hires. Because they're bloat.
Anon. After yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if it stops being political theater, and that hearing talks start again this time leading to actual results.
Well, you can keep praying there are enough die hard Looney Tunes fans in congress. Politicians can certainly make things difficult for people with politicking. But in the end, no crime was committed. Studios can write off movies for any reason. Disney itself shelved a bunch of movies from the Fox acquisition, some have which were saved from being written off at the last minute and went on to become profitable. The only way they could nail WBD is if they argued WBD is not being good fiduciaries to their shareholders by cancelling these projects.
Like I said, the real impetus for the hearings and the threats was because they wanted to preserve DEI programs. Same thing at Twitter, among various other reasons. But the firings happened, they got the ball rolling at every other company, so it's too late. Ironically, perhaps intentionally, the various Hollywood strikes actually provide cover for these studios. "We can't afford all these newbies anymore" is all they need to say.
They could also get WBD for violating Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. Namely unfair business practices more specifically deceptive acts like "saying you're willing to sell but not accepting offers or not allowing counter offers". That's decpetive action.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They don't need to entertain offers. They put it up for 80 million, no one wanted it for 80 million.
Look, get some people on Cinemaphile, on Reddit, and on Twitter together and crowdsource 80 million if this movie is this important to you. Hell, I'd want to see the movie. You'd be heroes if you bought it and released it on torrent. But don't expect anything from a congressional hearing. Turn on CSPAN or Forbes on youtube sometime and watch the dumb shit they talk about. See how even big profile hearings result in nothing. It's designed for politicians to show off. We don't call this the worst do-nothing congress in a century for nothing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe they don't need to entertain offers, they still have to allow counter offers though. And I know not to expect anything from a congressional I'm just saying what they're doing is illegal.
It was one random Congressman who suggested they should look into it, but the rest of the government doesn't give a shit. Dude is just huffing his own farts
Ruthless businessmen see movies as assets, they don't care about their value as entertainment, only by budget and potential appeal.
Chapek was ousted because he was the scapegoat for Disney losing their Florida Tax privileges.
>Ruthless businessmen see movies as assets, they don't care about their value as entertainment, only by budget and potential appeal.
no shit,he always said that
This is about ego, the tax write off is far smaller than what they wanted for publishing rights. If the movie had done well it would have added good will on top of the extra money they made. The characters and cartoons would increase in value.
This is losing them money.
Look at the WB market cap, he's not not savvy, he's not an engineer ... he made up his mind and can't admit he's wrong.
Democratic republics don't work like that by design. There will always be more uninformed/single issue voters than informed ones (by informed I don't mean watching X-leaning media, I mean researching a given political issue and concluding a solution to it), so candidates that try to appeal to nuanced voters will always loose to shittier, more generally inoffensive ones.
>Loose
Lose, I mean.
Also that's why certain political things seem to just happen despite everybody seemingly agreeing it's a terrible idea. Too many people vote from TV-information alone.
Democratic republics don't work like that by design. There will always be more uninformed/single issue voters than informed ones (by informed I don't mean watching X-leaning media, I mean researching a given political issue and concluding a solution to it), so candidates that try to appeal to nuanced voters will always loose to shittier, more generally inoffensive ones.
Here's a good example. Americans pay an average of 30% of their incomes in taxes each year. This used to be unconstitutional. Politicians literally had to rush a constitutional amendment to even be able to collect income taxes. Nobody likes them, nobody like it when they did it, and yet for over 100 years Americans have NEVER succeeded in voting for politicians that would undo that decision and repeal the constitutional amendment that allowed for income taxes.
Think about how braindead popular getting rid of income taxes would be.
But you can't, because you'd also need to get rid of social security, and people on social security are such an enormous voting bloc that you couldn't. Not to mention, even if you got elected to your congressional district, you need 2/3 of all of congress to agree to repeal it. And California + New York will never agree to it. That means if you got EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE US to agree to make income taxes illegal again, and only California, New York, and Florida said no, those three states could keep it from ever happening.
>Americans pay an average of 30% of their incomes in taxes each year
No, that's completely fricking incorrect. 30% is the starting percentage for self-employed contractors before deductions. The vast majority of Americans are taxed on a progressive scale (the first 22k is taxed at 10 percent, the next 70 grand up to about 90k is taxed at 12%, etc.). >This used to be unconstitutional
No it didn't, the sixteenth amendment just says income taxes don't have to be tied to population.
You are a complete fricking moron.
Permanent income taxes were literally considered unconstitutional prior to the 16th, that's why they didn't exist until after. Taxes were collected on incomes during wartime, though.
>That's incorrect
You're right it's 20% of their incomes, not 30%. Unless you're self-employed.
Even so, the point is that you could pay 0% but people suck off paying taxes and never even think to repeal them.
>You're wrong and moronic, contractors pay 30% but have deductions and everyone else pays way less on a progressive scheme that starts at 10% and goes to 12% at 90k, meaning even if the next bracket is 20% only income past 90k gets taxed at that rate >OK ACTUALLY IT'S A FLAT 20%
You're completely moronic. >YOU COULD BE PAYING NOTHING!
I happen to like having roads and emergency services and health inspectors, thanks.
>OK ACTUALLY IT'S A FLAT 20
I didn't say that. The median income pays 12.5% + 7.5% in social security. 20% is the median taxation on income in America.
>I happen to like having roads
These aren't funded through income tax. Why can't you move to the UK or some other nofreedoms place if you want to insist that everyone else pay taxes with you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, what the frick does any of this have to do with companies escaping their tax burden by using writeoffs to erase work they did?
Taxes in the US used to be far higher 50-60 years ago and companies were busted for evading taxes. Now they're not and they pay even less.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rich people opened up hard lobbying and used their money to influence the government into giving them less restrictions. The guardrails are starting to fall off thanks to Citizens United which works to bribe politicians or fund corpo plants against them. We're getting the most boring version of cyber punk. All the dystopia with none of the cool tech.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, corporations pay far fewer taxes and citizens pay and are hounded for more, but Anon ITT is praising citizens getting squeezed, not wishing to return to a high corporate tax rate.
3 months ago
Anonymous
anon social security is a 6 percent tax, 12 percent is only payed on income after the initial 0 and 10 percent brackets, and you're again completely ignoring the existence of deductions.
All that wrong even after having to walk back from THIRTY PERCENT!
>I happen to like having roads and emergency services and health inspectors, thanks.
Roads are built as cheaply as possible so they require constant upkeep.
Emergency services charge you for whatever aid they render, and if it's the police they might just beat or kill you due to a clerical error or an oversized ego.
I've worked in multiple restaurants and I've never seen a health inspector, and even if theres a score in the window, your food is still in the hands of whatever frickup is working the line that day.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Roads are built cheaply!
Yeah, a private corporation totally wouldn't cheap out on construction to increase profits. I sure would love it if the entire country were cracked toll roads. >Emergency services charge
I've never been charged by a firefighter. >Cops bad
has nothing to do with taxes >I worked in kitchens bro trust me there's no such thing as health codes
Maybe in your ghetto
3 months ago
Anonymous
Firefighters are funded through property taxes, not income taxes. Virtually nothing in your day-to-day is funded via income taxes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Virtually nothing in your day-to-day is funded via income taxes.
So the only point of Income taxes is social security or what?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Social Security is a separate tax
Federal income tax pays for federal agencies and programs and all interstate programs. Everything from the FDA to interstate highways to the VA to farm subsidies, and no small amount of federal funding is given to schools and emergency services and local infrastructure.
The idea that you don't see the impacts of federal tax day-to-day is moronic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh roads
funny you didn't mention EBT cards
3 months ago
Anonymous
I guess you hate the idea of the poor eating?
I don't suppose you'd be in favor of raising the minimum wage so businesses like McDonald's and Walmart can't pay so little that their full-time employees need SNAP to survive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We get it, you have everyone and resent the existence of society.
Go live in the woods, then, homosexual.
No one is forcing them to fill their shopping carts with chips, candy, TV dinners and 2L soda bottles instead of actual food, and I pay for it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I pay for it!
Children don't pay income tax
3 months ago
Anonymous
Truth is I don't make enough money to need to pay income tax, and there's no state income tax either so it all goes in my pocket lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
We get it, you have everyone and resent the existence of society.
Go live in the woods, then, homosexual.
>I'd rather be a slave so long as I'm comfortable.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Comfort is the main thing capitalism blackmails you with. Or you wanna change things and make a fairer society? Well you'll have to sacrifice all the comforts we filled your life with, and who wants that, right?
You're probably moronic but all of those things existed before Woodrow Wilson introduced income tax. If you were an actual adult with an actual job and actually paid taxes, you'd know this. Also, roads are not paid for with income tax, they're financed primarily though gas taxes and guess what? Most governers don't use that money for roads, which is why most are in shitty shape. They use that money to fund other shit aside from what it was intended for, much like Social Security, which is used as a slush fund for other government projects and not simply paying out to people who pay into it. This is why most taxes are bullshit
Income tax or something like it would have been needed eventually. The frick you I got mine model doesn't work in the long run and you can only trim so much fat off the gov.
You really have no idea how congress works, or understand income tax, son.
California and New York couldn't even prevent state personal income tax from being removed as a deduction on federal taxes when Orange Jesus was in the WH and the republicans were in charge of congress, and decided to give huge tax breaks to everyone but those individual USA citizens you seem so concerned about.
NTA but the red states I've lived in have no state income taxes, California's is a range that goes from something like 1% to 12% but that's entirely because of their own mismanagement of funds, mostly pensions.
The idea is supposed to be that if you can write off a failed production's expenses you have more incentive to take risks on projects that might fail and will spend more money in general than if you had to eat every loss entirely.
Unfortunately the tax code is fricked sideways so c**ts like Zaslav can just game it to get the figures they want to show investors.
That's not subsidy.
The idea is that by incentivizing riskier projects you're increasing the overall flow of money which means more tax revenue in total and a stronger economy.
That's the idea, anyways. It clearly doesn't work like that the way it's currently implemented.
>Get someone who's genuine >They slowly get corrupted by lobby money
We'd need government to completely overhaul how corporations are allowed to influence politicians. Which would involve selfregulation.
>We just did that
How? By posting on Twitter with hashtags? There was no policy enacted, feds just wagged their fingers and WB put on a circus to make it seem like they were selling before just. Doing what they were going to do anyways. Posting isn’t action, no matter what Xitter c**ts tell you.
Zaslav is an economic engineer. He knows how to make failing profitable. He knows how to abuse tax cuts, he knows how to trick investors, he knows how to get subsidiaries, so on as so forth.
He's not going to produce quality content. But that was never his goal, intent, or purpose.
As far as the entertainment industry is concerned you may consider the WB dead.
He knows how to make the current quarter somewhat profitable, but he's also burning bridges with directors and producers who could work with WB. After all, they want their shit to be shown so they can use it to get even better negotiation positions for their next job.
People hiring artisans are looking at the quality of their work, not the success of a film. A film can totally suck but the color grading, sfx, compositing, etc, could still be done extremely well. People who did that work still find it valuable to show it when bidding for new gigs. Those people can do the best work imaginable and it wouldn’t save the film, but someone who knows the craft would be able to see what they did and identify that they are skilled enough to want to hire on a new production.
Considering all of the controversy around the situation of this film, I wouldn't be shocked if someone from production managed to get a copy of the movie. Even if it is just an early cut of the film. People are pissed off enough that someone is going to risk getting theovie and leaking it. May not be for a few years until the heat does down.
I mean considering that Gennedy's Popeye movie leaked in some form, it is not impossible.
People in post production have copies. It’s pretty dumb to leak it if they want to ever get work again, though. It’s not worth throwing away your career just so some internet dweebs can be like “wow, that movie really did suck”.
I mean considering the amount of leaks that sprung up over the past couple of months, there is the chance that someone is angry/stupid enough to leak it. Not to mention with all the layoffs happening, some people may just say "Screw it. My career is done anyway." And leak it.
I do agree with your point. I just see that some people may leak it as a screw you to Zaslav.
You’re focusing on the wrong part. The point is that whoever did leak it would risk throwing away their career (and a fat lawsuit) and for what? It’s not like the appreciation would be remotely proportionate to the potential consequences.
Batgirl almost definitely exists on the hard drives of people working post too. They start working on sfx, score, color grading, etc, well before a film “wraps”. While the film isn’t 100% polished yet, they’ll have a fairly complete version of the film.
It hasn’t leaked because the people working on it are professionals and not stupid.
Lmao are you people actually moronic? Zavlov's job is to slash everything to get ready for a sale and eat all of the heat for it. He is doing his job phenomenally well.
WB produced more bombs than hits during it DCEU phase. Don't let Barbie, Joker, and The Batman fool you, the rotten reception to the DCEU and the routine missteps to course correct cost WB too much money to the point where nobody wants anything to do with it.
It sucks that this movie is getting vaulted and I disagree with the practice in general. If it was going to get shelved, they should have done that long before the movie came even close to being finished. If they waited this long, they should go down with the ship.
That said, there is no way this movie doesn't completely suck. Just look at the premise for fricks sake. Who in their right god damned mind would think that Wiley Coyote in a live action film was a good idea? I don't think it's a good thing that it's being vaulted, but come on.
One of the production images also made it look like they were going to go for the 3D animation made to look 2D like the recent Tom and Jerry movie. The art of Wile E sitting in court looks like a 2D concept art placeholder, while a shot of Road Runner in the desert looked like a more closer-to-finished shot of him in cel shaded CGI.
>Produced an expensive movie combining animation with lots of real life props and special effects >Test screenings seem to genuinely rant and rave about it, release date is set >Bean counters decide it would be more profitable to destroy the movie and claim a write off than to actually release it in any way shape or form >literally everyone gets pissed off, including the feds and business partners because this sets a terrible precedent for any project >half-heartedly accepts to be looking for a distributor despite having all the resources to do it themselves >refuses Amazon and Netflix’s offers and doesn’t let the counter offer after dropping an absurd ask price >starts the plans to destroy the film and write it off anyways >refuses to elaborate >yfw
If there’s one thing that can be said, it’s that I admire the absolute lack of fricks these suits had before doing what they were gonna do anyways.
>Chapek did, and he did far less.
Disney stock price was at its highest level during Chapek's tenure, and the primary beneficiaries of his "creative accounting" at Disney+ were the incompetent showrunners who hated him. He kept those shows well-funded. Look at what has happened since their hero Iger returned - cancellations, delays, budget cuts, and layoffs.
As much as we want to pretend otherwise, people rely on emotions rather than objective results. The rank and file at Disney didn't like Chapek because he was not personable. He was not a people wrangler, and he didn't pay lip service, which arguably is a diplomacy skill one needs as a CEO. Voters don't vote for the person who keeps them out of poverty, they for the guy who drove them into poverty but tells them he cares.
Zaslav hasn't been kicked because, despite all of the misfortune befalling the WB side of the business, the Discovery side offsets the losses. In fact, Discovery earns almost exactly as much as the money WB has lost, which means WBD is technically a zombie company at this moment - not alive, but not dead either.
Zaslav has no artistic bone in his body. But business people need to attend to matters of business, and creative people need to make sure their output is good. I don't care if Zaslav is the least creative person on earth, as long as he's not making creative demands. Know your role.
It almost doesn't matter how good Coyote vs Acme is. A bunch of shit before it put the movie in its current position. Blame the creatives responsible for that first.
All that waffling and dicksucking just to go “it would have sucked anyways, blame the artists.”
I don’t care how much you dress it up in grindset talk, I think it is moronic that a movie studio can make more money by not releasing (and even destroying) movies and that practice should be outlawed. Try applying that model on literally any other industry and you’d see how moronic it is (which don’t worry, we’re already seeing this in other industries anyways)
The worst part is that we don't know what any of the counter-offers were. It's entirely possible that one of them was a lower amount with a raw revenue percentage going to WB.
All that waffling and dicksucking just to go “it would have sucked anyways, blame the artists.”
I don’t care how much you dress it up in grindset talk, I think it is moronic that a movie studio can make more money by not releasing (and even destroying) movies and that practice should be outlawed. Try applying that model on literally any other industry and you’d see how moronic it is (which don’t worry, we’re already seeing this in other industries anyways)
>Decide you want to write 80 mil off your tax sheet >Hold pointless meetings with publishers demanding 80 mil, don't allow them to counter just a no >Write off 80 mil in taxes with the meetings as justification for the pricing
Zaslav is running the big pharma tax evasion scheme. Companies like Abbvie will arbitrarily set the price at 10k for a single shot, provide it for cheap or free, then write off 10k per shot in losses on their taxes.
Depends if he's writing off production costs or "lost profit"
If it's the latter then he's using the asking price as his write-off
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Depends if he's writing off production costs or "lost profit" >If it's the latter then he's using the asking price as his write-off
This. It seems ridiculous that it's legal to do that, but I think when they pull these maneuvers they're writing off speculative income which is essentially a number they can just make up (within reason, but when it comes to blockbuster films that leaves so much room to wiggle that it's kind of irrelevant).
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Depends if he's writing off production costs or "lost profit" >If it's the latter then he's using the asking price as his write-off
This. It seems ridiculous that it's legal to do that, but I think when they pull these maneuvers they're writing off speculative income which is essentially a number they can just make up (within reason, but when it comes to blockbuster films that leaves so much room to wiggle that it's kind of irrelevant).
WBD would be writing off actual costs. It's not getting a tax break on lost profits, it's *zero* profits. No taxpayer is getting screwed. No one is "paying" for this.
From their point of view, there is no difference between selling this movie at 80 million and paying 30 million of it to taxes, versus being able to write off 80 million and getting a reduction of 50 million in taxes. This is why they won't budge on this asking price. Anything less than 80 million is the same as them giving money to one of their competitors. It's pathetic, really.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>giving competitors money
For your sake, I sincerely hope this is bait.
>“it would have sucked anyways, blame the artists.”
That is not what I said. I said even if the movie was good, it does not matter because WB is in a bad position, and they were put there by a string of bad releases. >I think it is moronic that a movie studio can make more money by not releasing
They're *not* making money. They are reducing tax liabilities. Studio pay taxes before they've earned a single cent back. They cannot record the money they spent on this movie as an expenditure/loss, until they write it off.
By writing off this movie, they are still losing $35~40 million. Which is bad. WBD is not confident they could spend enough money to promote this movie and make it break even. This point is arguable. But assuming a marketing budget of 30 million and a complete production budget of 75 million, it would need 210 million at the theaters to break even. Space Jam 2 only earned 163 million, and that movie had a production and marketing budget twice the size.
>incentivized to sabotage future earnings
How far off are those future earnings? Do you budget your spending based on the assumption your lotto buying habit might cover everything in the future?
These people are not incentivized to destroy themselves. They're just bad at their job and desperately covering for it, and/or inherited a mess. WBD's biggest mistake is not in cancelling these movies, it's spending more money on the DCEU films and delaying them until no one cared. If they hadn't done that, they could afford to release Coyote Vs Acme. So yes, blame those other films, blame the creatives on that.
>A movie release is a lottery ticket and short-term thinking is good ACKSHUALLY
Hi Zaslav.
Go frick yourself. >They're not incentivized to destroy themselves
They're incentivized to do whatever it takes to show growth quarter-over-quarter because that's how their performance is measured by investors.
If losing a billion dollars next quarter makes this quarter meet the metrics that's what they're going to do.
Oh you precious summer child
The basic MO of a modern CEO is to mortgage their company's future to improve quarterly outlook and bail out when the bill comes due.
>How far off are those future earnings? Do you budget your spending based on the assumption your lotto buying habit might cover everything in the future?
If you cannot reasonably profit off of an intellectual property you have exclusive rights to, not only do you not deserve that IP, but your company deserves to go under and stop staying afloat by fed write-offs.
All of this apologia and explaining how actually, destroying movies is more prudent than daring to release them at all ever just gives the impression that WBD should simply not exist, then. At least at that point, they’re not dicking over their employees with work they can never showcase to find employment elsewhere with when they’re inevitably laid off. >Blame the creati-
They turned in their work. The DCEU is a vanity project that has failed multiple times to catch wind despite constant warnings and reality checks. If the creatives deserve blame for working on those, the execs deserve the most blame for continuing to funnel money in a burning trash can they can see with their eyes is not working. Your corporate apologia gets more and more embarrassing with every post.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>just gives the impression that WBD should simply not exist
That's true. At least, WB shouldn't. Every Discovery shareholder wishes this merger never happened. WB should have been carved up and sold off by AT&T. Zaslav/Discovery was making a happy amount of profit. >They turned in their work.
And they were paid. So what's there to complain if WBD needs to kill it?
3 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair WB's poor financial situation is purely due to them being a literal debt dump by AT&T
3 months ago
Anonymous
>purely due to them being a literal debt dump by AT&T
And where is that debt from? AT&T buying them in the first place.
In a way, they're still paying for it. Most of WBD's stock is owned by stockholders of AT&T. So they're still getting screwed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Discovery was moronic enough to buy the company out to strip it out of copper wiring, so they deserve to go too > And they were paid. So what's there to complain if WBD needs to kill it?
Your tax dollars get to reward failure. Which you seem to fantasize about, so that’s probably not an issue for you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Your tax dollars get to reward failure.
No, our tax dollars do not go towards writeoffs. It's potential taxes the company doesn't pay, because the project is dead and has no future income potential to tax.
I think they just don’t care at this point. A Universal buyout is potentially in the works, all efforts must go to preparing the portfolio and making the deal seem valuable. It honestly never felt like WB intended on actually selling this movie anyways considering they didn’t even bother to hear counter offers.
The Universal buyout thing is Snyder's fanbase cope because Nolan works there now. They are trying to patch out their Peawiener-shaped hole any way they can.
They'll ethier be merged with Paramount's media division if Skydance or the other one don't offer a better deal. Or chug along until something at the WB side of WBD changes. The other anon is right on the Discovery part begin very profitable
>At the cost of alienating talents and creatives.
They don't care, shareholders think of those are replaceable costs. >And yeah there do everything they can but they keep failing at it.
Only if you look at company balance sheets and not shareholder dividends.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Then Shareholders are fools.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Only if you're judging them by the standards of consumers who want good products. If you're judging them by the standards of making as much money as possible, which is the only thing they care about, then they are highly successful.
That's been in the rumormill for years and has never come to pass. Universal does quite well being in the clutches of Comcast and that's not changing for the foreseeable future.
>It honestly never felt like WB intended on actually selling this movie anyways considering they didn’t even bother to hear counter offers.
Yeah. They got a bunch of bad press so they made it seem like they were making an effort, but had no intent of actually making a deal unless someone actually met their arguably unreasonably high demands.
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
Well then if you legitimately have a copy, hold on to it nice and tight. And once the contracts expire on July 31st leak it. However just to be sure you're telling the truth, could you post some unseen Screencaps at least?
>And once the contracts expire on July 31st leak it.
I'm guessing anon signed an NDA which they'd unfortunately still be on the hook for. Even if the film is vaulted, they'd still be in breach of contract by leaking it.
If it were going to be leaked, anon should probably figure out how to digitally remove their name from the entire film and hope that there isn't some sneaky watermarking embedded somewhere inobvious.
>>If it were going to be leaked, anon should probably figure out how to digitally remove their name from the entire film and hope that there isn't some sneaky watermarking embedded somewhere inobvious.
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
actually has a copy of Coyote Vs Acme, they should get in contact with you guys.
3 months ago
Anonymous
right. We demand a copy of Coalyote vs Acme.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And hopefully you get one from
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
> And maybe we can help him with that.
You could tell him how to do it, but anon would be dumb to send it to someone else and expect them to care about removing identifying info nearly as much as he would himself.
I'd love to know what the decision making process is to make the films tax write offs. I want to see the decision to make that god awful flash movie a full release but cut this for some reason.
>I want to see the decision to make that god awful flash movie a full release but cut this for some reason.
Obligations. And also stupidity, but that's a given.
Movies are not funded solely by the studio. A big movie has a large pool of funders and bank loans and existing promotional deals and whatnot, and not releasing it would be a breach of contract with every one of them. A small movie like Coyote Vs Acme is far easier to detangle, even if it doesn't result in the biggest amount of savings.
That explanation kinda reminds me of skull and bones where they have to release it because they have a deal with The Singapore Government because ubisoft can't make a good decision to save it's life.
For YEARS I've told you all, that WB both doesn't know what the frick they're doing with LT nor do they give a shit.
For as much as you can shit on Disney for a lot of things, they at least know how to treat their legacy characters with an ounce of respect. The same thing cannot be said for WB and LT, they are a brand, sure, but their not an IP they give two shits about, made all the worse by them also knowing its legacy so they use that as an excuse to charge stupid amounts of money for it and nobody would dare question them.
It says a lot when the last thing they promoted if the LT branding was Space Jam 2 and that was less a LT movie, as it was a WB jerks off at everything else they own, movie. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to remove LT from Space Jam 2 but realized they couldn't, so they just handled it in the most half assed way possible.
Either way, it's a shame this movie will never see the light of day unless some brave soul decides to leak it.
Or either Tom Cruise, Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan, Steven Spielberg make an angry phone call. Spielberg actually has had Zaslav's phone number since November .
I have no fricking clue why those other people would give a shit. But Spielberg seems plausible enough given his genuine love for the golden era of animation, and his personal history with LT in particular
They know exactly what they're doing, the problem is that what they're doing isn't what consumers want them to be doing. What they're doing is squeezing as much money out of the company and into the hands of shareholders by any means necessary. That means slashing costs and exploiting tax loopholes while spending the savings on stock buybacks. This will kill the company, but they don't care. Shareholders and executives literally do not give a flying frick about the health of the company, because even if it goes bankrupt tomorrow they have no liability and all the profits. They will just move on to the next big company and start the process over again. Theoretical long-term shareholder value is less important to them than immediate short-term income through stock buybacks and other forms of compensation.
>they at least know how to treat their legacy characters with an ounce of respect.
they randomly made a wreck it ralph 2 sequel just be about every disney princesses all lamenting their traditional roles and complaining about men rescuing them and how anyone who likes their old movies are wrong for it
>Chapek did, and he did far less.
Chapek got fired because he lied to shareholders about the company's earnings. Zaslav is at least smart enough not to do that
So during the two months when WB was "shopping" the movie around, was there someone on the crew smart enough to download it for safekeeping? I'm ready for someone to leak this already so we can all watch it and move on
Most people who worked on the movie don't even have their own work files, just pictures they took during the production. Warner's basically made sure no one can access anything related to the film
It's worth noting that despite selling the movie at cost, Netflix, Amazon, and Paramount all thought it wasn't worth it either.
It might be a tad too late now, but the filmmakers tasked with selling Coyote Vs Acme should have made a Kickstarter concurrently. All the people who said this movie should be released would at least be given the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. They'd only have to raise 40 times the amount Lackadaisy did.
wb rejected all counter offers. should be noted that wb was asking for 75-80 million for the movie, while the tax writeoff will only be 30 million.
>They were willing to counter offer though
Obviously the counteroffers were still not 80 million. Otherwise it wouldn't be a counteroffer.
It was a take it or leave it proposition. >while the tax writeoff will only be 30 million
Which is probably the same as selling the movie at 80 million, after taxes and repaying creditors/interest/actors with points.
Look, if people were able to raise 80 million (plus whatever kickstarter or gofundme's fees are), they could just buy it and release it on the internet for free. No one would even have to worry about marketing cost, which is why these studios weren't willing to fork over 80 million.
>Obviously the counteroffers were still not 80 million
We’ll never know because they flat out rejected any counter offers anyways. They put up their price, refused to elaborate and took their ball to start plans to jab it and get the government to pay for it.
It literally doesn’t matter. WB ended negotiations without even allowing counter offers to be made when the companies wanted to offer them. They made a token effort to try and find a distributor, but are very blatantly not committed to it, and are instead committed to destroying the damn thing despite the public, the feds, their employees’ and even some of their noteworthy talents’ protest.
The Government needs to either legitimately step in. Or Steven Spielberg should give a Zaslav a phone call telling him to stop before he potentially gets a Class Action Lawsuit against him.
Feds aren’t gonna do shit and Zaslav and the suits clearly do not care what Spielberg has to say. They bided their time for somewhat good press, but as many anons pointed out, there’s no real guardrails to stop them and it’s in their current interest to strip as much copper out as they can. This whole debacle proves they’re not gonna stop no matter what.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care what you think WB should have done, that was not the point. The point was no one else thought the movie was worth $80 million.
They offered it at cost. Of course they weren't going to entertain negotiations.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Id like to joke about how this must be what shareholders do on their spare time, but I know you’re posting all of this for pennies or are genuinely just moronic. Only someone that desperate/braindead can look at a company blatantly lying to everyone before fricking off to go back to stripping copper out of their walls and even entertain that it’s anything but a gross encapsulation of the times.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What the hell are you on about?
No one wanted to spend $80 million for the movie. This is not a value judgement. There is no argument about the facts to be had. It is what it is.
It's a finished movie. If any studio believed in it, 80 million straight up for almost no work is a fricking steal. And yet no one bit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, read the fricking article.WBD took a first round of offers, said that none of them were high enough, then refused to take a second round of offers. We don't know if anyone else would have offered $80 Mil for this because they never even got a chance to make that offer. This is the definition of bad faith bargaining.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're an idiot. If anyone were willing to pay 80 million, it wouldn't be an "offer." It was take it or leave it. They didn't want to negotiate.
Flat out, no one wanted to pay 80 million. The best offers were probably half that. Your inability to read between the lines is fricking atrocious.
3 months ago
Anonymous
When they legally have to, according to the FTC
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're an idiot. If anyone were willing to pay 80 million, it wouldn't be an "offer." It was take it or leave it. They didn't want to negotiate.
Flat out, no one wanted to pay 80 million. The best offers were probably half that. Your inability to read between the lines is fricking atrocious.
You guys are arguing the same thing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
and the suits clearly do not care what Spielberg has to say.
They did when it came to TCM.
’s no real guardrails to stop them
Then it's time to create some.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They did it when came to TCM
And they will finish what they started once it’s finally gutted, how does that not register to you when you read this story? >Then it’s time to create some.
I would like that, I really would. I think it’s a fools errand to expect any serious fed intervention like this given how corporate friendly the feds are at the moment. But I agree, I would like for those guardrails to exist.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>I think it’s a fools errand to expect any serious fed intervention like this given how corporate friendly the feds are at the moment.
I know it is, but why not make it clear what's being done is unacceptable?
Send them a message, let them know you're pissed.
The Government needs to either legitimately step in. Or Steven Spielberg should give a Zaslav a phone call telling him to stop before he potentially gets a Class Action Lawsuit against him.
All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain, so it can at least be released and seen. If morons want to slash and burn the company then who cares, the people working on the movies still get paid for them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How that's not a law yet truly baffles me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because it’s not in corporate’s interests to let go of their creative monopolies, even if they do nothing with their IPs but let them collect dust and devalue. It’s why shit like the Tremblay Brothers having to make their Swat Kats reboot distinct and potentially unable to reference the original show explicitly happens, WB still hoards the rights and all associated to the original show even though they shot down their initial reboot pitch.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know it's not in corporates interest to do so. But if they do at least 70% of something and then write it off, they rightfully should lose the copyright to that particular project. Not the IP just the project with said IP.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because the people who rule over us genuinely hate us. Why would they go out of their way to make a law that's in our best interests?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain
Honestly yeah this should be the case. The taxpayers are basically footing the bill for it at that point, give it to them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, we're footing the bill for those jerks to do this unethical behavior. Seems only fair those projects should belong to us. Obviously not the IP, just the projects. Compensate us like we Compensate them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If this means that Megas XLR finally gets on streaming/gets a physical media release, then shit go for it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain
I'd support this, but this is an IRS issue. I think the reason they hold on to these things is so that they themselves might sell it back to the company at some point.
They could auction it back to the public. Hell, they could release it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The government doesn't own it if it's a tax writeoff. The copyright holder still owns it, in this case WB will still own the Coyote vs Acme movie, but as a tax writeoff they're not allowed to monetize it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Now that's bullshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes auction it to the public.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No frick that we already paid for it, just release it
3 months ago
Anonymous
I completely agree. And I'm a little disappointed no one has yet. I'm also pretty upset
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
hasn't posted any screenshots from the supposed copy they have.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The IRS doesn't get ownership of the IP, the company just can't do anything with it without getting slugged with tax penalties if they've declared that the asset is worthless to get an accelerated deduction.
They had better do it fast. Because if they leak it after the movie is officially written off, they wouldn't be stealing from WBD. They'd be stealing from the federal government.
Contact your senators or even ones who don't represent you. Conservative ones are preferable since going against media companies look better for them.
Make sure to mention that this will help them poll with Zoomers too. Zoomers hate big company fricking up their media.
Because it isn't about art it's about money and Zaslav did cut costs and increase profits. Negative reception is very temporary and most boards know that giving some time for correction to margins.
https://twitter.com/animfrustration/status/1756043449017475258
I know I know, I'm b***hing about this but I like how my Wile E. Coyote ended up looking (also the first time I drew him)
>the movie is apparently so damn good that netflix won't pay full price for it
explain.
this thing is a confirmed flop. better they wash their hands from another disappointment.
Because if it’s a success at Paramount or netflix, it makes WB look really bad. They did the bare minimum to act like they were entertaining offers, but they never had any intention on selling it to a different studio.
There have been cases of people using Twitter hash tags used in court to appreciate the value of the product so that the company would be more likely to kill the project because they can use the anticipation as projected sales for value of the product they are canceling, so anyone promised percentages become a liability. Probably why they're revealing shit anyway.
Well yeah...That's why they're doing this. To make it worth more in the legal system then what they spent on it, so when they cancel it they can say it's worth more than they spent.
Sorry if I sounded like a moron before but I thought that was the point I was making.
Thankfully something tells me that karma is going to badly frick over Zaslav and this is the last year we have to deal with him.
Just a reminder that like Disney, Warner's 100th year was godawful and not even Barbie salvaged it.
Who cares if it's gone forever? The artists on it got their paychecks and it would be yet another stain in the long history of WB misunderstanding the Looney Tunes IP. Good riddance, I say.
twitter publicity means nothing to normies making the bulk of the ticket sales
besides, the people boycotting WB won't pay to watch it in theatres so what does zaslab care
if WB's unconfident in releasing a new *Looney Tunes* movie, then there's no way they're gonna release Swamp Thing or any of the other niche DC characters that James Gunn wants to make movies of.
Do they not see that pissing off the guy hired to helm DC on Film is a terrible idea? Seriously James Gunn should be fuming right now regardless of whether he has a copy of the movie or not.
It'll depend entirely on whether or not Superman Legacy makes a billion dollars, guaranteed. If Gunn's project that definitely is going to get made makes money he'll get some freedom, but the second something underperforms at all they're going to panic again and start cancelling shit and DC's film universe will collapse yet again because WB is run by fricking morons.
>It'll depend entirely on whether or not Superman Legacy makes a billion dollars
Well it won't. People are over superhero films. The new ceiling is getting to 500m worldwide.
the sad thing is he's right
if the movie was traditionally animated like the first half of space jam 2 i guarantee you everyone would be on supporting the movie, the leaked images gave a lot of people doubt since wile looks like dogshit
>Warner Bros. wants $75 million for a Looney Tunes movie no one has seen yet >No studio wants to buy it >Taylor Swift wants $75 million for her concert movie that everyone has seen >Studios tripping over themselves to buy it
That coupled with the complete unwillingness on WB's part to negotiate definitely puts things in perspective. >$75 million?! Those are Taylor Swift numbers!
>WB shows they can turn a production into a tax write-off for any reason at any time >Creators start to pull out, fearing their work will be next >WB backtracks, but ends up cutting the movie anyway
Gee I wonder how this will turn out
And they get to have their name on a project that got tossed in to the compost heap. I can't wait to hire the people whose last project was deemed more valuable as a tax write off.
It's amusing to see people who by their replies, have never earned enough money to actually pay a significant amount of taxes.
A movie like this is a capital asset, and the cost of buying/creating it can be claimed against income, but it must be amortized. In this case copyright to a movie would be amortized over 15 years. So they can claim 6.67% of the cost against taxes each year. By not releasing it and writing it off all at once, they can claim all the expenses in a single year.
Now, each of these reduces your income for tax purposes. It's not like your taxes are reduced by the cost of the movie. So the maximum they get out of this is the 21% US Corporate Tax rate * the cost of the movie.
Ignoring time value of money, the only way this makes sense is if WB expects that this movie is going to make less than 21% of it's total cost over it's lifetime.
Taking the tax write off on anything less than a guaranteed bomb that will require box offices across the country to be decontaminated is insanity, and the fact that the people b***hing at Zaslav are artists and not money men says that that's exactly what these shit-canned movies are.
hey anon serious question. How many more bombs will it take for him to sell dc?
I want to see a superman and spidey crossover on the big screen at some point.
I doubt he'd sell DC with the intellectual property rights intact, and if he sells DC without those rights, I doubt he'd get more than a nominal sum for the company.
Your post only makes sense if you actually care about how much money the studio itself is making. Zaslav and the shareholders do not care. What they care about is how much money the shareholders are making.
Do you know what shareholders are anon? If you own a share in a company you own a part of the company.
A shareholder makes money two ways: The market value of the company increases between the time the shareholder bought their fraction or "share" of ownership and by receiving a portion of the profits of the company paid out as dividends. There is no long term scenario where shareholders make money and the company doesn't.
>The movie somehow comes out. >It is a Tom and Jerry tier bland nothing of a movie. >The sheer amount of coping of everyone trying to hype it up as this saved masterpiece of big bad evil businessman.
Good, this movie looks like shit and it's crew saying it was the greatest movie ever made and an animation/live action hybrid so good it was on par with or even BETTER than Rogen Rabbit was cringe
This is only upsetting if you love mediocre live-action Looney Tunes movies. The new guy they hired to run WB Pictures Animation is already working on his own so you'll get your fill of slop in the next few years, no need to worry
It does not actually matter whether the movie is good or bad. Frankly, expecting anything but goyslop from WB is already a big ask. >why care then?
Because, ultimately, this is about industry politics. Eventually it will hit a project you care about if you care about any of the big players in western animation. There are of course more pressing issues, like the fact that things that do come out should be available as DRM free digital downloads, but any thread about actual customer (not consumer) interest on Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile will immediately be shot down by lolberts trying to convince you that you SHOULD own nothing and BE happy.
Yeah I can see this happening, you gonna see frickers editing a sign from a scene saying ANIMATION IS CINEMA kek
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It does not actually matter whether the movie is good or bad. Frankly, expecting anything but goyslop from WB is already a big ask. >why care then?
Because, ultimately, this is about industry politics. Eventually it will hit a project you care about if you care about any of the big players in western animation. There are of course more pressing issues, like the fact that things that do come out should be available as DRM free digital downloads, but any thread about actual customer (not consumer) interest on Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile will immediately be shot down by lolberts trying to convince you that you SHOULD own nothing and BE happy.
What does this guy fricking have against Looney Tunes? First he pulled the original shorts, then Back in Action, and now we have to deal with this situation
He's an old boomer, they are genetically predispositioned to fricking hate anything animated or for kids and actively try to squash it whenever possible.
What WBD has done with Coyote Vs Acme is grounds for a lawsuit of unfair business practices
Any business practice or act that is deceptive, fraudulent, or causes injury to a consumer” saying theyre willing to sell but not accepting offers or allowing counter offers would fall under deceptive.
Everyone involved with the Movie should collectively file for such a lawsuit.
This is only upsetting if you love mediocre live-action Looney Tunes movies. The new guy they hired to run WB Pictures Animation is already working on his own so you'll get your fill of slop in the next few years, no need to worry
Actually they still have a decent case, because they've violated Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. Particularly any business practice or act that is deceptive, fraudulent, or causes injury to a consumer. Saying you're willing to sell but not accepting offers or allowing counter offers would fall under deceptive acts.
The Goverment can absolutely get involved and they should.
Yeah sure, lets put a pin in the cartels feeding thousands of drug mules across the border every day, the Hunter dirty money and human trafficking in Ukraine, and communists using justice department jackboots to jail voters to steer the next election so they can go do something about the cartoon movie. That's REALLY worth their time!
Wasn't WB already under investigation by the IRS for this? I thought that was the reason they tried to sell the movie (or at least pretended to). I hope the IRS rapes them for this shit. Making an entire movie and then intentionally deleting it for tax writeoffs should be illegal.
>completed movies and shows can be completely deleted for no reason >entire apartment buildings sit empty waiting for the price to go up in 5 years >every job is being replaced with AI or Indians and they want to raise the retirement age to 75
man i sure am glad this world we live in can generate so much money for shareholders
Good, this movie looks like shit and it's crew saying it was the greatest movie ever made and an animation/live action hybrid so good it was on par with or even BETTER than Rogen Rabbit was cringe
It sucks, but I appreciate that they shopped it around. You know people involved would've taken the opportunity to make a copy since now they know it's at a high risk of being shelved forever. Just a matter of time until it leaks at this point.
I find funny how this movie causes so much autism yet people didn't really care all that much when they did the same with Scoob 2 which was also fully finished
It was foolishly presumed that the three 2022 write-offs might be a one off occurrence, and people weren't pleased then, either. On the other hand, literally everyone but corporate stooges and true contrarians want this film to release I'm sorry you have sour grapes, and I'm sorry Scoob 2 got canned, but people simply care about this film more.
LEAK IT ALREADY YOU homosexualS
FOR FRICK'S SAKE WHOEVER IS LURKING THESE THREADS WHO HAS SOMETHING OF THIS FILM WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE AT THIS POINT
FRICKING LEAK IT ALREADY
Didn’t a actual politician threaten Zaslav for this shit? They should release it as public domain if they don’t expect to make any money off of it despite the rave reviews
Wonder if someone managed to nab it while it was being shopped around, considering how many eyes have been on this fiasco perhaps potential leakers are waiting for things to die down so the WB goons don’t gun their their asses down right away. Also, isn’t doing this going to frick up a lot of the company’s relations? One article mentioned how things got heated between the director/agents of the cast and the management because of the film getting shelved.
if someone managed to nab it while it was being shopped around, considering how many eyes have been on this fiasco perhaps potential leakers are waiting for things to die down so the WB goons don’t gun their their asses down right away.
I would be legitimately shocked if no one nabbed a copy. It's possible any potential leakers are waiting for things to die down.
>>Also, isn’t doing this going to frick up a lot of the company’s relations? One article mentioned how things got heated between the director/agents of the cast and the management because of the film getting shelved.
It did frick up a lot of the relations the first time around. And will do so even more the second time around.
The thing is that CEOs are sampled from a small incestuous group of elites that have essentially inherited sufficient wealth to buy success and just coast from failing company to failing company on golden parachutes. Add the fact that a company is legally obligated to act in the interest of its shareholders even if it is to the detriment of its products and you know exactly that a shareholder based economy is set to run every business into the ground eventually. Brainlets with zero comprehension of markets and power structures conflate that with "capitalism", not realizing just how new a development this is.
I would normally hesitate to call something "late stage capitalism", as it's almost exclusively used by utterly deluded leftists. But, as the system is currently set up, yes, Warner is in the late stages.
As defined by the Commie Jesus Marx, Late Stage Capitalism is when the state becomes too weak too operate basic services and the functions of government are privatized. It's toll roads, rentacops and power companies, not Private Equity burning down the entire market to fund moronic DEI schemes or whatever the fuxk Blackrock, Vanguard and their other shekel-swindler ilk do with their ill-gotten gains.
So in short, Marx was a moron who had no idea what he was talking about, and the bullshit we are enduring now has basically no name because no one saw something this moronic coming.
Tell me you're an unemployed homosexual without telling me you're an unemployed homosexual. CEOs in publicly traded companies are largely a public face for the actions of the board, they get golden parachutes pricesley because they take all of the blame for the frick up other decision makers make. Companies are legally obligated to profit shareholders because once upon a time "companies" used to scam people out of their life savings by getting people to "invest" in them. Publicly traded companies have stockholders that are regular people like you and I because of IRAs and 401ks. Not all of the shareholders are mustache twirling villains living in mansions sipping wine while laughing at the unwashed masses. Also, movies have always been a product, it's first and foremost mission is to make money
He's not totally wrong though, shareholders are often to blame for a lot and I mean a lot of the mistakes a company makes, don't get me wrong ceo's also frick shit up greatly, but ceo's are the front man, the bourgeoisie are not a republic that elect leaders, they're more unionized than any lower classes because they usually cosign on all decisions to maximize profit, it's not just ceo's who have golden parachutes, once you're at the top there's no where else to go, not even the bottom.
A lot of words to say absolutely fricking nothing. >CEOs in publicly traded companies are largely a public face for the actions of the board,
yes, it is indicative of the broader culture at play though. It's hard to get info on the board by design, but let's face it, these people do not care either. >Companies are legally obligated to profit shareholders because once upon a time
Yes. It does not mean the current model is flawless. You can arrive at an unreasonable state of being despite reasonable decisions having been made. > Publicly traded companies have stockholders that are regular people like you and I because of IRAs and 401ks.
Correct as it is irrelevant. >Not all of the shareholders are mustache twirling villains
Literally none are, I am sure you are winning real bigly against whatever bull crap shower thought argument you inserted into what I have been saying. >Also, movies have always been a product, it's first and foremost mission is to make money
irrelevant to the conversation. Making a product and selling it at a profit is not the same as what is presently happening. A system in which a company can make a net profit but still be in a fail state for not having made more profit is intrinsically flawed-
Spoken like a moron who doesn’t understand economics. If your revenue isn't meeting yoyr expenses, yes, you're losing money. The economy isn't static, its ever growing, which is why inflation is a thing. If I make $20 but I'm spending $60 to make that $20, I'm not really making any money. Expectations for higher profit versus expense are normal.
>Losing more money in a tax writeoff is better than losing less money by selling the damned thing for more than the writeoff.
Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
>Spoken like a moron who doesn’t understand economics. If your revenue isn't meeting yoyr expens-ACK
I said at a profit, lad. As in, net profit. Are you a child? Do I really need to explain basic ideas in deep detail rather than you taking a not very hard to follow train of thought and try your hardest to interpret it in the stupidest ways to win imaginary arguments?
One last time for the slobbering manchildren in the back: A company, in the present economical environment is often incentivized to not only have a net profit but a growth that outpaces what is necessary for the business to be sustainable in the long term. The reason for why that is is already explained and I am honestly losing interest to hold the hand of someone lacking the mental faculties to paint by numbers.
These set designs are nuts, seeing all the work that’s been put into this movie that WB is more than happy to toss into the trash without repercussion is bullshit
This looked somewhat shitty but I feel like the precedent being set by a high-profile case of this will to cause it to happen more often going forward. That Daffy and Porky movie got a distributor lined up already but I'm still kind of expecting it to get binned for some reason.
>That Daffy and Porky movie got a distributor lined up already
That means this shouldn't be a problem and it was cheap enough to be distributed by some indie company
The only reason this got shelved is because the new head of Warner Animation Group they hired didn't like it and didn't want his first move as President to be sinking millions of dollars into marketing and distributing it. If they had hired a dude who loved the movie and was willing to stake his job on it being a hit, this would be coming out
I am in no way calling for violence when I say I am shocked at the lack of violence directed at near-universally loathed rich people like Zaslav, the Sacklers, etc.
Is there anything historically comparable to this nonsense? Mass destruction of art, done out of greed, earning less than it cost to make it?
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
This is what the fall of Western Culture actually looks like (not that you'll see /misc/ notice). No, really.
Mega-elites controlling our culture, burning art for pennies on the dollar while filling the world with the worst bread and circuses "reality TV show" shit imaginable.
You also forgot >TBS gets a late night animation block in 2020 >No failed WB Kids and Family project to ruin series >No Space Jam 2 >Gumball movie >MaoMao would not be cancelled
Blackrock and Vanguard if they haven't already should realize how short sighted destroying Films and TV shows is. They should tell Zaslav to stop his tax write off scheme
>After today, Congress and the IRS should carry out there threat of investigating WBD and their practice of writing off completed movies.
100% Agreed. This sort of nonsense is not remotely what the law was invented for.
Even if it turns out that WB is completely within the current guidelines of the law (and before anyone says "of course it is" bear in mind the practice has never really seen intense scrutiny of the legal framework), steps should be taken to put an end to this.
Exactly no matter the results of the investigation, this deliberate destruction of media needs to be put to an end.
And even if WB is completely within current legal lines. They should still be charged for violating Section 5 of the FTCA, unfair business practices, deception.
>Try to axe movie >Congress and IRS says they'll investigate >A-actually we'll shop it around >Waste everyone's time with literally no intention to shop around >Oopsie woopsie no one had a high enough bid so we'll just can it tee hee
The IRS should rip Zaslav and co a new butthole.
Agreed especially because he used a unfair business practice, a decpetive one not allowing counter bids. Which is in direct violation of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. To save theor own skins, the board and Shareholders namely Blackrock and Vanguard should throw him under the bus.
Reminder, only corpo boot lickers will be lined up to the slaughter when the day of revolution comes. Wealth does not exist without production, and if you don't produce anything of value, you have no value. Simple as.
EXO produce nothing of value, and are wealth hoarders.
Reminder to everyone beliving the words of the crew saying this movie is really good: Same thing happened with The Flash. And even more well known people like Stephen King and James Gunn kissed the boots off that film.
I fricking hate it when people do that, yeah no shit the people working on the content are going to say it's good. Many staffs from modern trash would say their creation were good because they're biased towards their own creation, people hating their own work happens but isn't as common.
If they didn't merge and no buyer came along, WB would have been chopped up and sold in pieces because AT&T does not want it anymore, while Discovery would be coasting along happily earning $300 million per quarter.
WB was never going to sell the movie to other distribution companies anyway. Test audiences loved it, so there was a high chance the movie would've been successful.
>Zas cancels the movie's release >Sells it to someone else >The movie comes out and it's successful >Now Zas isn't just seen as a greedy butthole but as a stupid, greedy butthole
he'd look worse, he wants to avoid the Nimona situation
Zaslav is pretty bad at making decisions in general
he's the one who pushed for the Flash movie to be made and for Ezra to play the Flash despite the controversies
Tired of hearing about this movie. I hope everyone throwing a fit over it goes out and sees The Day the Earth Blew Up instead, that looks a million times better
Switching subject. Did Zaslav even remotely take into consideration how his habit of writing off completed projects would come off to those he has to answer to.
, Martin Small of Blackrock and Michael Rollings of Vanguard? Did he not think the heat they could be facing because of them? How much he's devalued WBD?
He's also completely tanked good will with other companies with this whole "sure i'll consider offers, i won't tell you what i'm looking for and i won't actually get back to you on anything and i'm just stalling for time, but absolutely i am looking in to offers!" move.
Exactly, he's insuring talents, creatives and companies want no association with him or WB whatsoever. It's one thing to alienate talents and creatives, it's another to alienate Companies and Shareholders.
Seriously, after this stunt, everyone who Zaslav has interacted with should be moblizing to boot him out. Don't start on Feb 23, start at some point in the next 2 weeks. He's had almost 2 years to turn things around and he's only made things worse.
It's funny that people keep hand-wringing about this write-off stuff as if Zaslav is going to keep killing movies unless the government steps up to him. WB's released 18 movies in theaters since Zaslav became CEO, with at least 11 more to come this year. In that time, they've only canceled 3, and for clear reasons--they were movies greenlit by AT&T that the new WB would not have made, while everything greenlit going forward is movies that the new WB *does* want to make. This is an isolated incident, not an epidemic
It's children, shitstirrers, and political operatives. Disney wrote off and cancelled far more movies during its acquisition of Fox. (Ironically, they're leaning on Fox for 2024.)
If people keep trying to meme this into a controversy, WBD will become more likely to cancel projects earlier in production. Which frankly is the better option, and something they would have done if Zaslav weren't so indecisive.
He hasn't even seen it
>nnnoooo you have to watch it to know its bad
How the frick do you know it’s not marketable if you have never seen any of it?
>Zaslav was sexually assaulted by a family member while Looney Tunes was playing on the television
>He doesn't remember much about the event
>Except for the fact that they sat together afterwards and watched a cartoon
>Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner
because no one except for 20 or so brainrot morons give a shit about looneytunes characters. The movie might be amazing, but who gives a shit.
Damage controlling Shill spotted
Why did he approve the 2D animated film getting a theatrical release then
I'm just going to pirate harder. What's the fricking point of supporting anyone or anything when CEOs are the ones screwing over people.
Based. Nobody would've watched it. Waste of money.
Hi Zaslav
good morning
Hopefully it gets leaked. Then again the bat-girl movie is also lost, so this situation i making me wonder if “IRL” movies have lower chances to being leaked compared to animated stuff
Maybe but Coyote vs Acme is partially animated so..
Depending on how buttholes can be some creators. He's probably based.
He probably makes money according to the investors expectations
The investors are idiots who don't think long term then.
Investors don't have to pay for long term consequences. The idea that investors owners with legacy goals is ridiculous. Investors win by jumping ship before the collapse. Giving them time to restructure portfolios, leave before shit gets worse, is how the game has been played.
Why would they think long-term? They got money now. If the company goes bankrupt they have no liability and just take their money somewhere else. They have no incentive to think long-term.
The point to thinking long-term is so that the value of the stock goes up and you can sell it later. But most investors are literal boomers who are going to die before that happens, so they want money now and will burn the company down now to get it.
Boomers should be nowhere near the entertainment industry then and they can't croak fast enough.
If you're American, you're one trip to the nearest gun store away from contributing to positive change, if you have the balls to actually commit to it.
Didn't Scooby-Doo and Krypto movie got leaked after one of the animators thought it'll be canned for taxes?
And no one cared after the movie came out. People just wanted to be outraged.
There's a world of difference between another DTV Scooby Doo film and a theatrical Looney Tunes film that got great test scores and has a screenwriter who was just nominated for an Oscar.
I don't get it, lads. The movie's already paid for and the servers are running anyway, why not putting it there and charge people to see it? It's free money, innit.
>tax writeoff
It does make sense.
Zas thinks a tax relief will get more money than a completed film would .
The man seems like a typical
>All cartoons is meaningless kid shit, no one should waste time making it
boomer really, he seems to primarily target animation and superhero stuff for deletion.
Kill all CEOs, and eat the rich. That is literally all I've learned about capitalism.
You must be 18 or over to post here
>No!! You must luck the boot!! Lick the boot!! I'm an Adult!! I'm an adult!!
Without the rich and capitalism your favorite IPs wouldn't exist
They dont exist now you moronic child.
Lol
Rofl lmao even!!
They do exist though and would never exist if not for capitalism and the rich. This is what you moronic underage commie larpers never understand.
Most based poster in this thread.
Ah, the useful idiot who thinks he won't be lined up against the wall after the revolution he craves so much.
Most cringe poster in this thread. (He can identify which boot he's licking by taste alone!)
I wonder why
WB itself was founded by two israelite brothers but they cared about creativity unlike Zaslav
Time has literally changed that ~~*((people*~~)) has gotten much more schizo compare to a decade ago out of nowhere.
At this point, shouldn't the IRS check if they aren't just commiting fraud?
Didn't Warner Bros. get threatened with congressional hearings for all the movies they were canceling for tax writeoffs? Does Zaslav really give zero shits?
Yes that they did and that threat should be followed through with.
Honestly Zaslav might not care about the feds going after him.
>Didn't Warner Bros. get threatened with congressional hearings for all the movies they were canceling for tax writeoffs?
They were, but it was political theater. If I recall correctly, it was led by Maxine Waters. The real motivation behind the hearing was because WBD was gutting its DEI programs. They were not going to nail them on writeoffs, because writeoffs are an integral part of any business.
If you notice, there are no longer talks of hearings. Because every other fricking studio and tech company has been laying people off, and the first to go are diversity hires. Because they're bloat.
Anon. After yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if it stops being political theater, and that hearing talks start again this time leading to actual results.
Well, you can keep praying there are enough die hard Looney Tunes fans in congress. Politicians can certainly make things difficult for people with politicking. But in the end, no crime was committed. Studios can write off movies for any reason. Disney itself shelved a bunch of movies from the Fox acquisition, some have which were saved from being written off at the last minute and went on to become profitable. The only way they could nail WBD is if they argued WBD is not being good fiduciaries to their shareholders by cancelling these projects.
Like I said, the real impetus for the hearings and the threats was because they wanted to preserve DEI programs. Same thing at Twitter, among various other reasons. But the firings happened, they got the ball rolling at every other company, so it's too late. Ironically, perhaps intentionally, the various Hollywood strikes actually provide cover for these studios. "We can't afford all these newbies anymore" is all they need to say.
They could also get WBD for violating Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. Namely unfair business practices more specifically deceptive acts like "saying you're willing to sell but not accepting offers or not allowing counter offers". That's decpetive action.
They don't need to entertain offers. They put it up for 80 million, no one wanted it for 80 million.
Look, get some people on Cinemaphile, on Reddit, and on Twitter together and crowdsource 80 million if this movie is this important to you. Hell, I'd want to see the movie. You'd be heroes if you bought it and released it on torrent. But don't expect anything from a congressional hearing. Turn on CSPAN or Forbes on youtube sometime and watch the dumb shit they talk about. See how even big profile hearings result in nothing. It's designed for politicians to show off. We don't call this the worst do-nothing congress in a century for nothing.
Maybe they don't need to entertain offers, they still have to allow counter offers though. And I know not to expect anything from a congressional I'm just saying what they're doing is illegal.
>put it up for 1 billion
>well no one WANTED IT!
It was one random Congressman who suggested they should look into it, but the rest of the government doesn't give a shit. Dude is just huffing his own farts
Well then we'll have to make them.
For frick's sake. What is his daddy issues with this damn movie?
Ruthless businessmen see movies as assets, they don't care about their value as entertainment, only by budget and potential appeal.
Chapek was ousted because he was the scapegoat for Disney losing their Florida Tax privileges.
>Ruthless businessmen see movies as assets, they don't care about their value as entertainment, only by budget and potential appeal.
no shit,he always said that
>Ruthless businessmen
*spinless businessmen
fixed that for you
Spineless*
This is about ego, the tax write off is far smaller than what they wanted for publishing rights. If the movie had done well it would have added good will on top of the extra money they made. The characters and cartoons would increase in value.
This is losing them money.
Look at the WB market cap, he's not not savvy, he's not an engineer ... he made up his mind and can't admit he's wrong.
And he's surrounded by either weak yes-man or people who think just like him.
He's so thin skinned it's not even remotely funny.
He was molested by a man in a Coyote costume
furries wanna watch it, they don't care it's bad
It's not about the movie, it's about to shit on the industry
Why don't Americans force their politicians to stop movies/media/art being able to be used as a tax writeoff, its stupid.
Democratic republics don't work like that by design. There will always be more uninformed/single issue voters than informed ones (by informed I don't mean watching X-leaning media, I mean researching a given political issue and concluding a solution to it), so candidates that try to appeal to nuanced voters will always loose to shittier, more generally inoffensive ones.
>Loose
Lose, I mean.
Also that's why certain political things seem to just happen despite everybody seemingly agreeing it's a terrible idea. Too many people vote from TV-information alone.
American liberals voted for art to become a tax writeoff
Here's a good example. Americans pay an average of 30% of their incomes in taxes each year. This used to be unconstitutional. Politicians literally had to rush a constitutional amendment to even be able to collect income taxes. Nobody likes them, nobody like it when they did it, and yet for over 100 years Americans have NEVER succeeded in voting for politicians that would undo that decision and repeal the constitutional amendment that allowed for income taxes.
Think about how braindead popular getting rid of income taxes would be.
But you can't, because you'd also need to get rid of social security, and people on social security are such an enormous voting bloc that you couldn't. Not to mention, even if you got elected to your congressional district, you need 2/3 of all of congress to agree to repeal it. And California + New York will never agree to it. That means if you got EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE US to agree to make income taxes illegal again, and only California, New York, and Florida said no, those three states could keep it from ever happening.
>Americans pay an average of 30% of their incomes in taxes each year
No, that's completely fricking incorrect. 30% is the starting percentage for self-employed contractors before deductions. The vast majority of Americans are taxed on a progressive scale (the first 22k is taxed at 10 percent, the next 70 grand up to about 90k is taxed at 12%, etc.).
>This used to be unconstitutional
No it didn't, the sixteenth amendment just says income taxes don't have to be tied to population.
You are a complete fricking moron.
Permanent income taxes were literally considered unconstitutional prior to the 16th, that's why they didn't exist until after. Taxes were collected on incomes during wartime, though.
>That's incorrect
You're right it's 20% of their incomes, not 30%. Unless you're self-employed.
Even so, the point is that you could pay 0% but people suck off paying taxes and never even think to repeal them.
>You're wrong and moronic, contractors pay 30% but have deductions and everyone else pays way less on a progressive scheme that starts at 10% and goes to 12% at 90k, meaning even if the next bracket is 20% only income past 90k gets taxed at that rate
>OK ACTUALLY IT'S A FLAT 20%
You're completely moronic.
>YOU COULD BE PAYING NOTHING!
I happen to like having roads and emergency services and health inspectors, thanks.
Feel free to go starve in the woods, homie.
>OK ACTUALLY IT'S A FLAT 20
I didn't say that. The median income pays 12.5% + 7.5% in social security. 20% is the median taxation on income in America.
>I happen to like having roads
These aren't funded through income tax. Why can't you move to the UK or some other nofreedoms place if you want to insist that everyone else pay taxes with you?
Anon, what the frick does any of this have to do with companies escaping their tax burden by using writeoffs to erase work they did?
Taxes in the US used to be far higher 50-60 years ago and companies were busted for evading taxes. Now they're not and they pay even less.
Rich people opened up hard lobbying and used their money to influence the government into giving them less restrictions. The guardrails are starting to fall off thanks to Citizens United which works to bribe politicians or fund corpo plants against them. We're getting the most boring version of cyber punk. All the dystopia with none of the cool tech.
Yeah, corporations pay far fewer taxes and citizens pay and are hounded for more, but Anon ITT is praising citizens getting squeezed, not wishing to return to a high corporate tax rate.
anon social security is a 6 percent tax, 12 percent is only payed on income after the initial 0 and 10 percent brackets, and you're again completely ignoring the existence of deductions.
All that wrong even after having to walk back from THIRTY PERCENT!
Don't you get tired of being such a dipshit?
>I happen to like having roads and emergency services and health inspectors, thanks.
Roads are built as cheaply as possible so they require constant upkeep.
Emergency services charge you for whatever aid they render, and if it's the police they might just beat or kill you due to a clerical error or an oversized ego.
I've worked in multiple restaurants and I've never seen a health inspector, and even if theres a score in the window, your food is still in the hands of whatever frickup is working the line that day.
>Roads are built cheaply!
Yeah, a private corporation totally wouldn't cheap out on construction to increase profits. I sure would love it if the entire country were cracked toll roads.
>Emergency services charge
I've never been charged by a firefighter.
>Cops bad
has nothing to do with taxes
>I worked in kitchens bro trust me there's no such thing as health codes
Maybe in your ghetto
Firefighters are funded through property taxes, not income taxes. Virtually nothing in your day-to-day is funded via income taxes.
>Virtually nothing in your day-to-day is funded via income taxes.
So the only point of Income taxes is social security or what?
Social Security is a separate tax
Federal income tax pays for federal agencies and programs and all interstate programs. Everything from the FDA to interstate highways to the VA to farm subsidies, and no small amount of federal funding is given to schools and emergency services and local infrastructure.
The idea that you don't see the impacts of federal tax day-to-day is moronic.
>muh roads
funny you didn't mention EBT cards
I guess you hate the idea of the poor eating?
I don't suppose you'd be in favor of raising the minimum wage so businesses like McDonald's and Walmart can't pay so little that their full-time employees need SNAP to survive.
No one is forcing them to fill their shopping carts with chips, candy, TV dinners and 2L soda bottles instead of actual food, and I pay for it.
>I pay for it!
Children don't pay income tax
Truth is I don't make enough money to need to pay income tax, and there's no state income tax either so it all goes in my pocket lmao
We get it, you have everyone and resent the existence of society.
Go live in the woods, then, homosexual.
>I'd rather be a slave so long as I'm comfortable.
Comfort is the main thing capitalism blackmails you with. Or you wanna change things and make a fairer society? Well you'll have to sacrifice all the comforts we filled your life with, and who wants that, right?
You're probably moronic but all of those things existed before Woodrow Wilson introduced income tax. If you were an actual adult with an actual job and actually paid taxes, you'd know this. Also, roads are not paid for with income tax, they're financed primarily though gas taxes and guess what? Most governers don't use that money for roads, which is why most are in shitty shape. They use that money to fund other shit aside from what it was intended for, much like Social Security, which is used as a slush fund for other government projects and not simply paying out to people who pay into it. This is why most taxes are bullshit
...Taxes were collected on incomes during wartime,..
And USA never stop being at war with someone
Maybe just maybe there's a Pattern
Income tax or something like it would have been needed eventually. The frick you I got mine model doesn't work in the long run and you can only trim so much fat off the gov.
Frick you I got mine works just fine unless you're a homosexual that thinks they deserve someone else's money
moron
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You really have no idea how congress works, or understand income tax, son.
California and New York couldn't even prevent state personal income tax from being removed as a deduction on federal taxes when Orange Jesus was in the WH and the republicans were in charge of congress, and decided to give huge tax breaks to everyone but those individual USA citizens you seem so concerned about.
NTA but the red states I've lived in have no state income taxes, California's is a range that goes from something like 1% to 12% but that's entirely because of their own mismanagement of funds, mostly pensions.
I mean, in this case it's because the write off is probably the production costs.
What else to spend the money on? The opioid crisis? Law enforcement? The increasing homelessness?
No man. The billionaires need their free money.
As if the pigs need more institutional support
The idea is supposed to be that if you can write off a failed production's expenses you have more incentive to take risks on projects that might fail and will spend more money in general than if you had to eat every loss entirely.
Unfortunately the tax code is fricked sideways so c**ts like Zaslav can just game it to get the figures they want to show investors.
governments should not subsidize corporations with tax payers money.
media is free.
That's not subsidy.
The idea is that by incentivizing riskier projects you're increasing the overall flow of money which means more tax revenue in total and a stronger economy.
That's the idea, anyways. It clearly doesn't work like that the way it's currently implemented.
Wish I lived in whatever fantasy world you're from where something like that is remotely realistic.
>Get someone who's genuine
>They slowly get corrupted by lobby money
We'd need government to completely overhaul how corporations are allowed to influence politicians. Which would involve selfregulation.
Sounds like commieshit
No, it's called regulations. Companies won't do it themselves and governments won't do it unless forced to.
Ok commie
Iirc didn’t some senator dude put like a bill to do that?
I don't think he put a bill but he did complain about it on twitter, he compared it to burning down a building for insurance money
Well now is the time he actually puts a bill to do that.
We just did that and we are now finding out that it didn't work.
>We just did that
How? By posting on Twitter with hashtags? There was no policy enacted, feds just wagged their fingers and WB put on a circus to make it seem like they were selling before just. Doing what they were going to do anyways. Posting isn’t action, no matter what Xitter c**ts tell you.
That's not how it works.
Because then that wouldn't be fair to our coporate overlords.
Makes far more sense to nickel and dime the single lower/middle class and social security c**ts.
Not everything bad requires regulation. Warner Bros is losing money by doing this.
Not to violating Section 5 of the FTCA. The penalities should come for them hard.
How bad exactly?
Very bad. But especially charge them with Deception and Fraud.
Zaslav is an economic engineer. He knows how to make failing profitable. He knows how to abuse tax cuts, he knows how to trick investors, he knows how to get subsidiaries, so on as so forth.
He's not going to produce quality content. But that was never his goal, intent, or purpose.
As far as the entertainment industry is concerned you may consider the WB dead.
He knows how to make the current quarter somewhat profitable, but he's also burning bridges with directors and producers who could work with WB. After all, they want their shit to be shown so they can use it to get even better negotiation positions for their next job.
how much work at you going to get if people think your movie is soo fricking bad and won't make money that it's better to write it off?
I mean that's my point. People are going to be pissed because this makes them look bad and it means they won't want to make movies for WB.
People hiring artisans are looking at the quality of their work, not the success of a film. A film can totally suck but the color grading, sfx, compositing, etc, could still be done extremely well. People who did that work still find it valuable to show it when bidding for new gigs. Those people can do the best work imaginable and it wouldn’t save the film, but someone who knows the craft would be able to see what they did and identify that they are skilled enough to want to hire on a new production.
Chapek lost like a 50 million dollar lawsuit to ScarJo and now she's back for Avengers 4
5.
Avengers
Age of Ultron
Infinity War
Endgame
The Quest to Keep the Franchise Alive
>deleted forever
hahaha what the frick? they can't even keep a file of it? it's got to be erased forever? lol.
They can't risk it being released or else they can't keep their tax write off
Time for a heist
Don't worry guys disney is gonna sell wb the fox stuff so they can make more movies of that
Someone leak it already
you're too late, they're rubbing magnets on the hard drives as we speak
>WB still hasn't gone solid state in 2024
You know what, I can believe it.
Considering all of the controversy around the situation of this film, I wouldn't be shocked if someone from production managed to get a copy of the movie. Even if it is just an early cut of the film. People are pissed off enough that someone is going to risk getting theovie and leaking it. May not be for a few years until the heat does down.
I mean considering that Gennedy's Popeye movie leaked in some form, it is not impossible.
People in post production have copies. It’s pretty dumb to leak it if they want to ever get work again, though. It’s not worth throwing away your career just so some internet dweebs can be like “wow, that movie really did suck”.
I mean considering the amount of leaks that sprung up over the past couple of months, there is the chance that someone is angry/stupid enough to leak it. Not to mention with all the layoffs happening, some people may just say "Screw it. My career is done anyway." And leak it.
I do agree with your point. I just see that some people may leak it as a screw you to Zaslav.
And I hope they do leak it. Maybe July 31st at the latest provided they have a psychical copy.
>i-it sucked anyway
Copium or desperate bootlicking? Call it.
You’re focusing on the wrong part. The point is that whoever did leak it would risk throwing away their career (and a fat lawsuit) and for what? It’s not like the appreciation would be remotely proportionate to the potential consequences.
>thinking the people who worked on it will gaslight themselves into believing that it sucked when their careers are over anyway
Reading comprehension isn’t really your thing, is it?
They do? Huh the people behind Batgirl didn't, although unlike Batgirl, Coyote Vs Acme did finish Post Production so yeah they probably have copies.
Batgirl almost definitely exists on the hard drives of people working post too. They start working on sfx, score, color grading, etc, well before a film “wraps”. While the film isn’t 100% polished yet, they’ll have a fairly complete version of the film.
It hasn’t leaked because the people working on it are professionals and not stupid.
Well as long as they have the film. That's fine with me. Just keep it safe from deletion.
Which is going to leak first this or the Phantom Blood movie?
>Phantom Blood movie?
Like Jojo? Is Araki pulling a Kojima and getting mixed up with Hollywood thinking he'll be welcome as a Westaboo?
There is a reason why WB has been bought two times in less than a decade and Disney not even once (yet).
But disney is about to sell everything off including fox stuff to ebay. Clownfishtv said so
Lmao are you people actually moronic? Zavlov's job is to slash everything to get ready for a sale and eat all of the heat for it. He is doing his job phenomenally well.
Sell to who? The brand is toxic now
>The brand is toxic now
What? How?
WB produced more bombs than hits during it DCEU phase. Don't let Barbie, Joker, and The Batman fool you, the rotten reception to the DCEU and the routine missteps to course correct cost WB too much money to the point where nobody wants anything to do with it.
>doing his job phenomenally well.
1 shekel has been deposited into your account
i know and just hate him for that
~~*No clue*~~
No, but seriously, I have no clue either.
It sucks that this movie is getting vaulted and I disagree with the practice in general. If it was going to get shelved, they should have done that long before the movie came even close to being finished. If they waited this long, they should go down with the ship.
That said, there is no way this movie doesn't completely suck. Just look at the premise for fricks sake. Who in their right god damned mind would think that Wiley Coyote in a live action film was a good idea? I don't think it's a good thing that it's being vaulted, but come on.
One of the production images also made it look like they were going to go for the 3D animation made to look 2D like the recent Tom and Jerry movie. The art of Wile E sitting in court looks like a 2D concept art placeholder, while a shot of Road Runner in the desert looked like a more closer-to-finished shot of him in cel shaded CGI.
>Produced an expensive movie combining animation with lots of real life props and special effects
>Test screenings seem to genuinely rant and rave about it, release date is set
>Bean counters decide it would be more profitable to destroy the movie and claim a write off than to actually release it in any way shape or form
>literally everyone gets pissed off, including the feds and business partners because this sets a terrible precedent for any project
>half-heartedly accepts to be looking for a distributor despite having all the resources to do it themselves
>refuses Amazon and Netflix’s offers and doesn’t let the counter offer after dropping an absurd ask price
>starts the plans to destroy the film and write it off anyways
>refuses to elaborate
>yfw
If there’s one thing that can be said, it’s that I admire the absolute lack of fricks these suits had before doing what they were gonna do anyways.
Gotta show those Internet critics that they don't matter by deleting the movie anyways
>Chapek did, and he did far less.
Disney stock price was at its highest level during Chapek's tenure, and the primary beneficiaries of his "creative accounting" at Disney+ were the incompetent showrunners who hated him. He kept those shows well-funded. Look at what has happened since their hero Iger returned - cancellations, delays, budget cuts, and layoffs.
As much as we want to pretend otherwise, people rely on emotions rather than objective results. The rank and file at Disney didn't like Chapek because he was not personable. He was not a people wrangler, and he didn't pay lip service, which arguably is a diplomacy skill one needs as a CEO. Voters don't vote for the person who keeps them out of poverty, they for the guy who drove them into poverty but tells them he cares.
Zaslav hasn't been kicked because, despite all of the misfortune befalling the WB side of the business, the Discovery side offsets the losses. In fact, Discovery earns almost exactly as much as the money WB has lost, which means WBD is technically a zombie company at this moment - not alive, but not dead either.
Zaslav has no artistic bone in his body. But business people need to attend to matters of business, and creative people need to make sure their output is good. I don't care if Zaslav is the least creative person on earth, as long as he's not making creative demands. Know your role.
It almost doesn't matter how good Coyote vs Acme is. A bunch of shit before it put the movie in its current position. Blame the creatives responsible for that first.
All that waffling and dicksucking just to go “it would have sucked anyways, blame the artists.”
I don’t care how much you dress it up in grindset talk, I think it is moronic that a movie studio can make more money by not releasing (and even destroying) movies and that practice should be outlawed. Try applying that model on literally any other industry and you’d see how moronic it is (which don’t worry, we’re already seeing this in other industries anyways)
The worst part is that we don't know what any of the counter-offers were. It's entirely possible that one of them was a lower amount with a raw revenue percentage going to WB.
>Decide you want to write 80 mil off your tax sheet
>Hold pointless meetings with publishers demanding 80 mil, don't allow them to counter just a no
>Write off 80 mil in taxes with the meetings as justification for the pricing
Zaslav is running the big pharma tax evasion scheme. Companies like Abbvie will arbitrarily set the price at 10k for a single shot, provide it for cheap or free, then write off 10k per shot in losses on their taxes.
No, the write-off would be less than anyone was offering them. He thinks he's pulling a 4D Chess The Producers scheme, but he's not.
Depends if he's writing off production costs or "lost profit"
If it's the latter then he's using the asking price as his write-off
>Depends if he's writing off production costs or "lost profit"
>If it's the latter then he's using the asking price as his write-off
This. It seems ridiculous that it's legal to do that, but I think when they pull these maneuvers they're writing off speculative income which is essentially a number they can just make up (within reason, but when it comes to blockbuster films that leaves so much room to wiggle that it's kind of irrelevant).
WBD would be writing off actual costs. It's not getting a tax break on lost profits, it's *zero* profits. No taxpayer is getting screwed. No one is "paying" for this.
From their point of view, there is no difference between selling this movie at 80 million and paying 30 million of it to taxes, versus being able to write off 80 million and getting a reduction of 50 million in taxes. This is why they won't budge on this asking price. Anything less than 80 million is the same as them giving money to one of their competitors. It's pathetic, really.
>giving competitors money
For your sake, I sincerely hope this is bait.
>“it would have sucked anyways, blame the artists.”
That is not what I said. I said even if the movie was good, it does not matter because WB is in a bad position, and they were put there by a string of bad releases.
>I think it is moronic that a movie studio can make more money by not releasing
They're *not* making money. They are reducing tax liabilities. Studio pay taxes before they've earned a single cent back. They cannot record the money they spent on this movie as an expenditure/loss, until they write it off.
By writing off this movie, they are still losing $35~40 million. Which is bad. WBD is not confident they could spend enough money to promote this movie and make it break even. This point is arguable. But assuming a marketing budget of 30 million and a complete production budget of 75 million, it would need 210 million at the theaters to break even. Space Jam 2 only earned 163 million, and that movie had a production and marketing budget twice the size.
More importantly it's fricked up that execs are incentivized to sabotage future earnings to improve the outlook on the current quarter.
>incentivized to sabotage future earnings
How far off are those future earnings? Do you budget your spending based on the assumption your lotto buying habit might cover everything in the future?
These people are not incentivized to destroy themselves. They're just bad at their job and desperately covering for it, and/or inherited a mess. WBD's biggest mistake is not in cancelling these movies, it's spending more money on the DCEU films and delaying them until no one cared. If they hadn't done that, they could afford to release Coyote Vs Acme. So yes, blame those other films, blame the creatives on that.
>A movie release is a lottery ticket and short-term thinking is good ACKSHUALLY
Hi Zaslav.
Go frick yourself.
>They're not incentivized to destroy themselves
They're incentivized to do whatever it takes to show growth quarter-over-quarter because that's how their performance is measured by investors.
If losing a billion dollars next quarter makes this quarter meet the metrics that's what they're going to do.
Oh you precious summer child
The basic MO of a modern CEO is to mortgage their company's future to improve quarterly outlook and bail out when the bill comes due.
>How far off are those future earnings? Do you budget your spending based on the assumption your lotto buying habit might cover everything in the future?
If you cannot reasonably profit off of an intellectual property you have exclusive rights to, not only do you not deserve that IP, but your company deserves to go under and stop staying afloat by fed write-offs.
All of this apologia and explaining how actually, destroying movies is more prudent than daring to release them at all ever just gives the impression that WBD should simply not exist, then. At least at that point, they’re not dicking over their employees with work they can never showcase to find employment elsewhere with when they’re inevitably laid off.
>Blame the creati-
They turned in their work. The DCEU is a vanity project that has failed multiple times to catch wind despite constant warnings and reality checks. If the creatives deserve blame for working on those, the execs deserve the most blame for continuing to funnel money in a burning trash can they can see with their eyes is not working. Your corporate apologia gets more and more embarrassing with every post.
>just gives the impression that WBD should simply not exist
That's true. At least, WB shouldn't. Every Discovery shareholder wishes this merger never happened. WB should have been carved up and sold off by AT&T. Zaslav/Discovery was making a happy amount of profit.
>They turned in their work.
And they were paid. So what's there to complain if WBD needs to kill it?
To be fair WB's poor financial situation is purely due to them being a literal debt dump by AT&T
>purely due to them being a literal debt dump by AT&T
And where is that debt from? AT&T buying them in the first place.
In a way, they're still paying for it. Most of WBD's stock is owned by stockholders of AT&T. So they're still getting screwed.
Discovery was moronic enough to buy the company out to strip it out of copper wiring, so they deserve to go too
> And they were paid. So what's there to complain if WBD needs to kill it?
Your tax dollars get to reward failure. Which you seem to fantasize about, so that’s probably not an issue for you.
>Your tax dollars get to reward failure.
No, our tax dollars do not go towards writeoffs. It's potential taxes the company doesn't pay, because the project is dead and has no future income potential to tax.
When you put it that way it's kind of like the farmers that get subsidies not to grow stuff.
I don’t care about any of this, can we get DC comics to shutdown already?
Don't you have some wiener to go suck
Didn't this happen months ago with filmmakers telling their agents to cancel meetings with WB? What makes these CEOs think this won't happen again?
I think they just don’t care at this point. A Universal buyout is potentially in the works, all efforts must go to preparing the portfolio and making the deal seem valuable. It honestly never felt like WB intended on actually selling this movie anyways considering they didn’t even bother to hear counter offers.
The Universal buyout thing is Snyder's fanbase cope because Nolan works there now. They are trying to patch out their Peawiener-shaped hole any way they can.
They'll ethier be merged with Paramount's media division if Skydance or the other one don't offer a better deal. Or chug along until something at the WB side of WBD changes. The other anon is right on the Discovery part begin very profitable
Are they not thinking how such a move comes off to Universal, how bad a look it could come off to Universal?
It comes off well to Universal because it shows that the execs are doing everything they can to make as much money as possible for their shareholders.
At the cost of alienating talents and creatives. And yeah there do everything they can but they keep failing at it.
>At the cost of alienating talents and creatives.
They don't care, shareholders think of those are replaceable costs.
>And yeah there do everything they can but they keep failing at it.
Only if you look at company balance sheets and not shareholder dividends.
Then Shareholders are fools.
Only if you're judging them by the standards of consumers who want good products. If you're judging them by the standards of making as much money as possible, which is the only thing they care about, then they are highly successful.
>A Universal buyout is potentially in the works
That's been in the rumormill for years and has never come to pass. Universal does quite well being in the clutches of Comcast and that's not changing for the foreseeable future.
>It honestly never felt like WB intended on actually selling this movie anyways considering they didn’t even bother to hear counter offers.
Yeah. They got a bunch of bad press so they made it seem like they were making an effort, but had no intent of actually making a deal unless someone actually met their arguably unreasonably high demands.
As much as I wanna be 'that guy' who leaks the movie and let's you all see it the only copy I have has my name plastered all over it and only like 80% of the film is finished since I was screened an earlier version
Well then if you legitimately have a copy, hold on to it nice and tight. And once the contracts expire on July 31st leak it. However just to be sure you're telling the truth, could you post some unseen Screencaps at least?
>And once the contracts expire on July 31st leak it.
I'm guessing anon signed an NDA which they'd unfortunately still be on the hook for. Even if the film is vaulted, they'd still be in breach of contract by leaking it.
If it were going to be leaked, anon should probably figure out how to digitally remove their name from the entire film and hope that there isn't some sneaky watermarking embedded somewhere inobvious.
>>If it were going to be leaked, anon should probably figure out how to digitally remove their name from the entire film and hope that there isn't some sneaky watermarking embedded somewhere inobvious.
And maybe we can help him with that.
WE GOT THE GEMERALD DVD THINGY READY
Never heard of it.
we have produced DVDs
Oh. In that case if
actually has a copy of Coyote Vs Acme, they should get in contact with you guys.
right. We demand a copy of Coalyote vs Acme.
And hopefully you get one from
or some other anon.
> And maybe we can help him with that.
You could tell him how to do it, but anon would be dumb to send it to someone else and expect them to care about removing identifying info nearly as much as he would himself.
Not necessarily people here care about just that.
Well can we at least get some screenshots?
Sounds fake n gay
https://kdenlive.org/en/
What's this? You're actually doing it? Removing your name?
IIRC bluring is non-destructive, it can be reversed.
Then how about a black bar over that spots with the name.
Yeah, covering the name is the safest way as far as I know, assuming you can do it without making your footage unwatchable.
if you're somehow not bait i know how to remove watermarks in ae
Awesome Anon. Fingers crossed they're not bait.
yeah, i just did some tests and it's absolutely doable with enough masking and adjustment layers
so does it look like it could be decent?
I'd love to know what the decision making process is to make the films tax write offs. I want to see the decision to make that god awful flash movie a full release but cut this for some reason.
>I want to see the decision to make that god awful flash movie a full release but cut this for some reason.
Obligations. And also stupidity, but that's a given.
Movies are not funded solely by the studio. A big movie has a large pool of funders and bank loans and existing promotional deals and whatnot, and not releasing it would be a breach of contract with every one of them. A small movie like Coyote Vs Acme is far easier to detangle, even if it doesn't result in the biggest amount of savings.
In the past, it was. But not anymore.
That explanation kinda reminds me of skull and bones where they have to release it because they have a deal with The Singapore Government because ubisoft can't make a good decision to save it's life.
Can someone accuse him of fricking children or something already?
not a republican or a priest, so its not believable
For YEARS I've told you all, that WB both doesn't know what the frick they're doing with LT nor do they give a shit.
For as much as you can shit on Disney for a lot of things, they at least know how to treat their legacy characters with an ounce of respect. The same thing cannot be said for WB and LT, they are a brand, sure, but their not an IP they give two shits about, made all the worse by them also knowing its legacy so they use that as an excuse to charge stupid amounts of money for it and nobody would dare question them.
It says a lot when the last thing they promoted if the LT branding was Space Jam 2 and that was less a LT movie, as it was a WB jerks off at everything else they own, movie. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to remove LT from Space Jam 2 but realized they couldn't, so they just handled it in the most half assed way possible.
Either way, it's a shame this movie will never see the light of day unless some brave soul decides to leak it.
Or either Tom Cruise, Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan, Steven Spielberg make an angry phone call. Spielberg actually has had Zaslav's phone number since November .
I have no fricking clue why those other people would give a shit. But Spielberg seems plausible enough given his genuine love for the golden era of animation, and his personal history with LT in particular
Michael B. Jordan is a fan of LT. But Spielberg is our best bet to get through to Zaslav for the reasons you listed.
The fact that Spielberg and other legendary directors had to meet with Zaslav and tell him to stop being a total moron before is astonishing.
That it is and now at least Spielberg will have to do so once again.
They know exactly what they're doing, the problem is that what they're doing isn't what consumers want them to be doing. What they're doing is squeezing as much money out of the company and into the hands of shareholders by any means necessary. That means slashing costs and exploiting tax loopholes while spending the savings on stock buybacks. This will kill the company, but they don't care. Shareholders and executives literally do not give a flying frick about the health of the company, because even if it goes bankrupt tomorrow they have no liability and all the profits. They will just move on to the next big company and start the process over again. Theoretical long-term shareholder value is less important to them than immediate short-term income through stock buybacks and other forms of compensation.
>they at least know how to treat their legacy characters with an ounce of respect.
they randomly made a wreck it ralph 2 sequel just be about every disney princesses all lamenting their traditional roles and complaining about men rescuing them and how anyone who likes their old movies are wrong for it
>Chapek did, and he did far less.
Chapek got fired because he lied to shareholders about the company's earnings. Zaslav is at least smart enough not to do that
So during the two months when WB was "shopping" the movie around, was there someone on the crew smart enough to download it for safekeeping? I'm ready for someone to leak this already so we can all watch it and move on
I sure hope there was. Or Pam Abdy and Mike DeLuca have a copy of the director's cut.
Most people who worked on the movie don't even have their own work files, just pictures they took during the production. Warner's basically made sure no one can access anything related to the film
Those rotten bastards. The Cast and Crew for not just this movie but for WB'S other written off projects should file a Class Action Lawsuit.
True but surely someone thought ahead to make a copy for themselves.
It's worth noting that despite selling the movie at cost, Netflix, Amazon, and Paramount all thought it wasn't worth it either.
It might be a tad too late now, but the filmmakers tasked with selling Coyote Vs Acme should have made a Kickstarter concurrently. All the people who said this movie should be released would at least be given the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. They'd only have to raise 40 times the amount Lackadaisy did.
They were willing to counter offer though, WBD refused to do so.
>They were willing to counter offer though
Obviously the counteroffers were still not 80 million. Otherwise it wouldn't be a counteroffer.
It was a take it or leave it proposition.
>while the tax writeoff will only be 30 million
Which is probably the same as selling the movie at 80 million, after taxes and repaying creditors/interest/actors with points.
Look, if people were able to raise 80 million (plus whatever kickstarter or gofundme's fees are), they could just buy it and release it on the internet for free. No one would even have to worry about marketing cost, which is why these studios weren't willing to fork over 80 million.
>Obviously the counteroffers were still not 80 million
We’ll never know because they flat out rejected any counter offers anyways. They put up their price, refused to elaborate and took their ball to start plans to jab it and get the government to pay for it.
>Zaslav: We want 80 million for this movie.
>Sir, Amazon offered 100 million for it.
>Zaslav: Frick you, I said 80!
Is this what you think happened?
It literally doesn’t matter. WB ended negotiations without even allowing counter offers to be made when the companies wanted to offer them. They made a token effort to try and find a distributor, but are very blatantly not committed to it, and are instead committed to destroying the damn thing despite the public, the feds, their employees’ and even some of their noteworthy talents’ protest.
Feds aren’t gonna do shit and Zaslav and the suits clearly do not care what Spielberg has to say. They bided their time for somewhat good press, but as many anons pointed out, there’s no real guardrails to stop them and it’s in their current interest to strip as much copper out as they can. This whole debacle proves they’re not gonna stop no matter what.
I don't care what you think WB should have done, that was not the point. The point was no one else thought the movie was worth $80 million.
They offered it at cost. Of course they weren't going to entertain negotiations.
Id like to joke about how this must be what shareholders do on their spare time, but I know you’re posting all of this for pennies or are genuinely just moronic. Only someone that desperate/braindead can look at a company blatantly lying to everyone before fricking off to go back to stripping copper out of their walls and even entertain that it’s anything but a gross encapsulation of the times.
What the hell are you on about?
No one wanted to spend $80 million for the movie. This is not a value judgement. There is no argument about the facts to be had. It is what it is.
It's a finished movie. If any studio believed in it, 80 million straight up for almost no work is a fricking steal. And yet no one bit.
Anon, read the fricking article.WBD took a first round of offers, said that none of them were high enough, then refused to take a second round of offers. We don't know if anyone else would have offered $80 Mil for this because they never even got a chance to make that offer. This is the definition of bad faith bargaining.
You're an idiot. If anyone were willing to pay 80 million, it wouldn't be an "offer." It was take it or leave it. They didn't want to negotiate.
Flat out, no one wanted to pay 80 million. The best offers were probably half that. Your inability to read between the lines is fricking atrocious.
When they legally have to, according to the FTC
You guys are arguing the same thing.
and the suits clearly do not care what Spielberg has to say.
They did when it came to TCM.
’s no real guardrails to stop them
Then it's time to create some.
>They did it when came to TCM
And they will finish what they started once it’s finally gutted, how does that not register to you when you read this story?
>Then it’s time to create some.
I would like that, I really would. I think it’s a fools errand to expect any serious fed intervention like this given how corporate friendly the feds are at the moment. But I agree, I would like for those guardrails to exist.
>>I think it’s a fools errand to expect any serious fed intervention like this given how corporate friendly the feds are at the moment.
I know it is, but why not make it clear what's being done is unacceptable?
Send them a message, let them know you're pissed.
The Government needs to either legitimately step in. Or Steven Spielberg should give a Zaslav a phone call telling him to stop before he potentially gets a Class Action Lawsuit against him.
All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain, so it can at least be released and seen. If morons want to slash and burn the company then who cares, the people working on the movies still get paid for them.
How that's not a law yet truly baffles me.
Because it’s not in corporate’s interests to let go of their creative monopolies, even if they do nothing with their IPs but let them collect dust and devalue. It’s why shit like the Tremblay Brothers having to make their Swat Kats reboot distinct and potentially unable to reference the original show explicitly happens, WB still hoards the rights and all associated to the original show even though they shot down their initial reboot pitch.
I know it's not in corporates interest to do so. But if they do at least 70% of something and then write it off, they rightfully should lose the copyright to that particular project. Not the IP just the project with said IP.
Because the people who rule over us genuinely hate us. Why would they go out of their way to make a law that's in our best interests?
>All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain
Honestly yeah this should be the case. The taxpayers are basically footing the bill for it at that point, give it to them.
Exactly, we're footing the bill for those jerks to do this unethical behavior. Seems only fair those projects should belong to us. Obviously not the IP, just the projects. Compensate us like we Compensate them.
If this means that Megas XLR finally gets on streaming/gets a physical media release, then shit go for it.
>All I want the government to do is mandate that any project written off for tax reasons becomes public domain
I'd support this, but this is an IRS issue. I think the reason they hold on to these things is so that they themselves might sell it back to the company at some point.
They could auction it back to the public. Hell, they could release it.
The government doesn't own it if it's a tax writeoff. The copyright holder still owns it, in this case WB will still own the Coyote vs Acme movie, but as a tax writeoff they're not allowed to monetize it.
Now that's bullshit.
Yes auction it to the public.
No frick that we already paid for it, just release it
I completely agree. And I'm a little disappointed no one has yet. I'm also pretty upset
hasn't posted any screenshots from the supposed copy they have.
The IRS doesn't get ownership of the IP, the company just can't do anything with it without getting slugged with tax penalties if they've declared that the asset is worthless to get an accelerated deduction.
wb rejected all counter offers. should be noted that wb was asking for 75-80 million for the movie, while the tax writeoff will only be 30 million.
WBD is in position to be picky though. There still under the delusional mindset that everything is fine.
Amazon paid 100 million for Hotel Transylvania 4
What does this have to do with anything, other than showing you how much less they think of the Looney Tunes brand?
The producers should leak the movie online just to spite him.
They had better do it fast. Because if they leak it after the movie is officially written off, they wouldn't be stealing from WBD. They'd be stealing from the federal government.
The feds have much bigger problems to deal with. Compared to everything else they deal with, it's a nothing burger.
>The IRS having any sense of priorities or proportion
You sir are an optimist.
Agreed. Maybe when the current contracts expire on July 31.
Contact your senators or even ones who don't represent you. Conservative ones are preferable since going against media companies look better for them.
Make sure to mention that this will help them poll with Zoomers too. Zoomers hate big company fricking up their media.
David "Judge Doom" Zaslav
In the process of trying to prevent WB's bankruptcy, he's instead fast-tracking it
One can dream
Because it isn't about art it's about money and Zaslav did cut costs and increase profits. Negative reception is very temporary and most boards know that giving some time for correction to margins.
it isn't about art it's about money and Zaslav did cut costs and increase profits.
Yes but what cost?
>> Negative reception is very temporary and most boards know that giving some time for correction to margins.
Usually it is, but the reception seems to be an exception to that.
Hoping an intern decides to leak the movie to frick over Zaslav for good
Same here.
https://twitter.com/animfrustration/status/1756043449017475258
I know I know, I'm b***hing about this but I like how my Wile E. Coyote ended up looking (also the first time I drew him)
>the movie is apparently so damn good that netflix won't pay full price for it
explain.
this thing is a confirmed flop. better they wash their hands from another disappointment.
"Full price" would be the 30 million WB wanted from a tax write-off. Asking for double that is just greedy moronation from Zas.
Because if it’s a success at Paramount or netflix, it makes WB look really bad. They did the bare minimum to act like they were entertaining offers, but they never had any intention on selling it to a different studio.
Which falls under unfair business practices. Namely deceptive ones.
Coyote vs acme leaked footage
I do not like that click bait.
>#SaveCoyoteVsAcme is trending
lol
Why? This sounds like pretty good news to me.
There have been cases of people using Twitter hash tags used in court to appreciate the value of the product so that the company would be more likely to kill the project because they can use the anticipation as projected sales for value of the product they are canceling, so anyone promised percentages become a liability. Probably why they're revealing shit anyway.
WTF? There's plenty of anticipation for Coyote Vs Acme though.
Well yeah...That's why they're doing this. To make it worth more in the legal system then what they spent on it, so when they cancel it they can say it's worth more than they spent.
Sorry if I sounded like a moron before but I thought that was the point I was making.
They don’t know what else to do, anon. Posting is all they got in them.
>”it’ll work THIS time, just wait and see!”
They did the same for Spectacular Spider-Man, it ain't gonna work
Completely different situations.
No
Didn’t it work for the Snyder Cut?
i thought they held real life events as well
Well it worked for this movie too, WB just got greedy trying to cash in on the controversy.
Thankfully something tells me that karma is going to badly frick over Zaslav and this is the last year we have to deal with him.
Just a reminder that like Disney, Warner's 100th year was godawful and not even Barbie salvaged it.
Who cares if it's gone forever? The artists on it got their paychecks and it would be yet another stain in the long history of WB misunderstanding the Looney Tunes IP. Good riddance, I say.
With how much free publicity the movie is getting, why won't they just release the damn movie? There's clearly a sizable demand for it.
twitter publicity means nothing to normies making the bulk of the ticket sales
besides, the people boycotting WB won't pay to watch it in theatres so what does zaslab care
if WB's unconfident in releasing a new *Looney Tunes* movie, then there's no way they're gonna release Swamp Thing or any of the other niche DC characters that James Gunn wants to make movies of.
Do they not see that pissing off the guy hired to helm DC on Film is a terrible idea? Seriously James Gunn should be fuming right now regardless of whether he has a copy of the movie or not.
It'll depend entirely on whether or not Superman Legacy makes a billion dollars, guaranteed. If Gunn's project that definitely is going to get made makes money he'll get some freedom, but the second something underperforms at all they're going to panic again and start cancelling shit and DC's film universe will collapse yet again because WB is run by fricking morons.
>It'll depend entirely on whether or not Superman Legacy makes a billion dollars
Well it won't. People are over superhero films. The new ceiling is getting to 500m worldwide.
>People are over superhero films
They aren't, they're over shit movies. You can't keep blaming the failure of mediocre-to-bad movies on their genre.
>they're over shit movies
People keep saying but go silent once you mention Guardians 3 made less than the 2nd movie.
Is he right?
That's an awful take. Not surprising coming from Max.
Well he should ask a couple people without a bias first.
But cel-shading looks like shit.
the sad thing is he's right
if the movie was traditionally animated like the first half of space jam 2 i guarantee you everyone would be on supporting the movie, the leaked images gave a lot of people doubt since wile looks like dogshit
It looks just as awful as the """2D""" characters in the Chip & Dale live action movies, glad this was erased
Yes
>Warner Bros. wants $75 million for a Looney Tunes movie no one has seen yet
>No studio wants to buy it
>Taylor Swift wants $75 million for her concert movie that everyone has seen
>Studios tripping over themselves to buy it
What does Taylor have that Wile E. doesn't, bros?
That coupled with the complete unwillingness on WB's part to negotiate definitely puts things in perspective.
>$75 million?! Those are Taylor Swift numbers!
>why is something that's already successful from the most powerful woman in the world more valuable than an unproven Looney Tunes movie
Being Dethklok for white women.
Why would he get kicked out over a movie he had nothing to do with? It wasn't his decision to make Coyote vs Acme in the first place
It would be a Good PR move.
>WB shows they can turn a production into a tax write-off for any reason at any time
>Creators start to pull out, fearing their work will be next
>WB backtracks, but ends up cutting the movie anyway
Gee I wonder how this will turn out
They pull out again. This time for good.
GOOD.
the creators got paid.
And they get to have their name on a project that got tossed in to the compost heap. I can't wait to hire the people whose last project was deemed more valuable as a tax write off.
A huge amount of what creators make is on the backend over time. When a film gets scrapped like this, they lose that.
It's amusing to see people who by their replies, have never earned enough money to actually pay a significant amount of taxes.
A movie like this is a capital asset, and the cost of buying/creating it can be claimed against income, but it must be amortized. In this case copyright to a movie would be amortized over 15 years. So they can claim 6.67% of the cost against taxes each year. By not releasing it and writing it off all at once, they can claim all the expenses in a single year.
Now, each of these reduces your income for tax purposes. It's not like your taxes are reduced by the cost of the movie. So the maximum they get out of this is the 21% US Corporate Tax rate * the cost of the movie.
Ignoring time value of money, the only way this makes sense is if WB expects that this movie is going to make less than 21% of it's total cost over it's lifetime.
Taking the tax write off on anything less than a guaranteed bomb that will require box offices across the country to be decontaminated is insanity, and the fact that the people b***hing at Zaslav are artists and not money men says that that's exactly what these shit-canned movies are.
hey anon serious question. How many more bombs will it take for him to sell dc?
I want to see a superman and spidey crossover on the big screen at some point.
I doubt he'd sell DC with the intellectual property rights intact, and if he sells DC without those rights, I doubt he'd get more than a nominal sum for the company.
Your post only makes sense if you actually care about how much money the studio itself is making. Zaslav and the shareholders do not care. What they care about is how much money the shareholders are making.
Do you know what shareholders are anon? If you own a share in a company you own a part of the company.
A shareholder makes money two ways: The market value of the company increases between the time the shareholder bought their fraction or "share" of ownership and by receiving a portion of the profits of the company paid out as dividends. There is no long term scenario where shareholders make money and the company doesn't.
>A shareholder makes money two ways
Stock buybacks
>There is no long term scenario
They don't care about long term
FRICK CGI
SLAVA 2D!
Why are they using that shitty cel shaded cgi from that shitty tom and jerry movie no one remembers instead of just using actual 2d animation
because money
Lostmedia bros the holy grail
>The movie somehow comes out.
>It is a Tom and Jerry tier bland nothing of a movie.
>The sheer amount of coping of everyone trying to hype it up as this saved masterpiece of big bad evil businessman.
Or worse, Rescue Rangers.
Rescue Rangers was alright, though.
Picrelated
But it tested well with audiences and the writer won an oscar!!!! That means it MUST be good!!!!!!!!!!!1!
>Tested well with audiences
>Writer is an oscar nominee
Yes, anon. Those are signs that the film might actually be good.
It does not actually matter whether the movie is good or bad. Frankly, expecting anything but goyslop from WB is already a big ask.
>why care then?
Because, ultimately, this is about industry politics. Eventually it will hit a project you care about if you care about any of the big players in western animation. There are of course more pressing issues, like the fact that things that do come out should be available as DRM free digital downloads, but any thread about actual customer (not consumer) interest on Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile will immediately be shot down by lolberts trying to convince you that you SHOULD own nothing and BE happy.
Yeah I can see this happening, you gonna see frickers editing a sign from a scene saying ANIMATION IS CINEMA kek
makes a good point.
If it’s terrible, the public should have a chance to make that declaration.
What does this guy fricking have against Looney Tunes? First he pulled the original shorts, then Back in Action, and now we have to deal with this situation
Nobody cares about your legacy franchise anymore moron, he made the correct choice.
Nice try, shill
Stfu and kys, ZaslavBlack person
He's an old boomer, they are genetically predispositioned to fricking hate anything animated or for kids and actively try to squash it whenever possible.
no just 2d animation on ones without using cgi
in all fairness, the WB has always been a bit self-destructive with itself and the looney tunes
this is just the first time you saw it happen with both a large scale and a face to point and yell at
What WBD has done with Coyote Vs Acme is grounds for a lawsuit of unfair business practices
Any business practice or act that is deceptive, fraudulent, or causes injury to a consumer” saying theyre willing to sell but not accepting offers or allowing counter offers would fall under deceptive.
Everyone involved with the Movie should collectively file for such a lawsuit.
FRICK CEL SHADED CGI
This is only upsetting if you love mediocre live-action Looney Tunes movies. The new guy they hired to run WB Pictures Animation is already working on his own so you'll get your fill of slop in the next few years, no need to worry
I know one of you frickers has access to this movie and can leak it, do it, DO IT.
At what point does the government get involved?
They have less of a case now that WB tried to half heartedly shop for it. It's legal to have a nice day in the foot, unfortunately.
Actually they still have a decent case, because they've violated Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. Particularly any business practice or act that is deceptive, fraudulent, or causes injury to a consumer. Saying you're willing to sell but not accepting offers or allowing counter offers would fall under deceptive acts.
The Goverment can absolutely get involved and they should.
Why would they? Free market baby
Why would they? You can't force a company you release a product that they don't to
Yeah sure, lets put a pin in the cartels feeding thousands of drug mules across the border every day, the Hunter dirty money and human trafficking in Ukraine, and communists using justice department jackboots to jail voters to steer the next election so they can go do something about the cartoon movie. That's REALLY worth their time!
you realize having big brother step in and telling a company what they can do with their own property is socialism right?
And?
Wasn't WB already under investigation by the IRS for this? I thought that was the reason they tried to sell the movie (or at least pretended to). I hope the IRS rapes them for this shit. Making an entire movie and then intentionally deleting it for tax writeoffs should be illegal.
They should because they've violated Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act via deception.
Sports deal is going to make them a shit load of money
>completed movies and shows can be completely deleted for no reason
>entire apartment buildings sit empty waiting for the price to go up in 5 years
>every job is being replaced with AI or Indians and they want to raise the retirement age to 75
man i sure am glad this world we live in can generate so much money for shareholders
Good, this movie looks like shit and it's crew saying it was the greatest movie ever made and an animation/live action hybrid so good it was on par with or even BETTER than Rogen Rabbit was cringe
Same fate as Scoob 2 AKA nothing of value was lost
It sucks, but I appreciate that they shopped it around. You know people involved would've taken the opportunity to make a copy since now they know it's at a high risk of being shelved forever. Just a matter of time until it leaks at this point.
It was a completely bad faith gesture. They didn't even allow for any negotiating at all and didn't say how much they wanted.
That's great hopefully that person responds before this thread is archived.
How do we report to the FTC?
If US tax dollars are being given to WB for this why doesn't this become the property of US tax payers then?
I'm having a dejà vu or something. I could've sworn this movie was leaked MONTHS ago and everyone agreed it was a crappy movie.
No, Mr. Zaslav, it did not. Don't you have media to be destroying?
I find funny how this movie causes so much autism yet people didn't really care all that much when they did the same with Scoob 2 which was also fully finished
Except Coyote vs ACME is an anti capitalist and pro consumer rights movie and that means more.
It was foolishly presumed that the three 2022 write-offs might be a one off occurrence, and people weren't pleased then, either. On the other hand, literally everyone but corporate stooges and true contrarians want this film to release I'm sorry you have sour grapes, and I'm sorry Scoob 2 got canned, but people simply care about this film more.
No you
You got Velma
>people didn't really care all that much when they did the same with Scoob 2
Because the first one sucked
LEAK IT ALREADY YOU homosexualS
FOR FRICK'S SAKE WHOEVER IS LURKING THESE THREADS WHO HAS SOMETHING OF THIS FILM WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE AT THIS POINT
FRICKING LEAK IT ALREADY
It will never happen
Because Chapek was chosen by the board to be CEO, but Zaslav wasn't (he was part of Discovery and so didn't have to answer to WB's board)
Didn’t a actual politician threaten Zaslav for this shit? They should release it as public domain if they don’t expect to make any money off of it despite the rave reviews
Agreed or leak it, I don't care.
> a politician
Looking for brownie points during election year. You morons think politicians have more power than they actually do
We need a hero to leak it just like with Scooby Doo and Krypto too
That leak forced them to release it so that even normies could enjoy it
Agreed, someone please leak it. Be the Hero.
Wonder if someone managed to nab it while it was being shopped around, considering how many eyes have been on this fiasco perhaps potential leakers are waiting for things to die down so the WB goons don’t gun their their asses down right away. Also, isn’t doing this going to frick up a lot of the company’s relations? One article mentioned how things got heated between the director/agents of the cast and the management because of the film getting shelved.
if someone managed to nab it while it was being shopped around, considering how many eyes have been on this fiasco perhaps potential leakers are waiting for things to die down so the WB goons don’t gun their their asses down right away.
I would be legitimately shocked if no one nabbed a copy. It's possible any potential leakers are waiting for things to die down.
>>Also, isn’t doing this going to frick up a lot of the company’s relations? One article mentioned how things got heated between the director/agents of the cast and the management because of the film getting shelved.
It did frick up a lot of the relations the first time around. And will do so even more the second time around.
The most popular entertainment made by communists was Tetris and the would would have never known about it if not for capitalism
The thing is that CEOs are sampled from a small incestuous group of elites that have essentially inherited sufficient wealth to buy success and just coast from failing company to failing company on golden parachutes. Add the fact that a company is legally obligated to act in the interest of its shareholders even if it is to the detriment of its products and you know exactly that a shareholder based economy is set to run every business into the ground eventually. Brainlets with zero comprehension of markets and power structures conflate that with "capitalism", not realizing just how new a development this is.
I would normally hesitate to call something "late stage capitalism", as it's almost exclusively used by utterly deluded leftists. But, as the system is currently set up, yes, Warner is in the late stages.
As defined by the Commie Jesus Marx, Late Stage Capitalism is when the state becomes too weak too operate basic services and the functions of government are privatized. It's toll roads, rentacops and power companies, not Private Equity burning down the entire market to fund moronic DEI schemes or whatever the fuxk Blackrock, Vanguard and their other shekel-swindler ilk do with their ill-gotten gains.
So in short, Marx was a moron who had no idea what he was talking about, and the bullshit we are enduring now has basically no name because no one saw something this moronic coming.
Tell me you're an unemployed homosexual without telling me you're an unemployed homosexual. CEOs in publicly traded companies are largely a public face for the actions of the board, they get golden parachutes pricesley because they take all of the blame for the frick up other decision makers make. Companies are legally obligated to profit shareholders because once upon a time "companies" used to scam people out of their life savings by getting people to "invest" in them. Publicly traded companies have stockholders that are regular people like you and I because of IRAs and 401ks. Not all of the shareholders are mustache twirling villains living in mansions sipping wine while laughing at the unwashed masses. Also, movies have always been a product, it's first and foremost mission is to make money
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the poor CEOs and their massive bonuses!? *cries into handkerchief made of solid diamond*
Shut up and get me a Big Mac Meal already.
>no argument
I accept your concession. You will never be Zaslav's yesman fall guy.
I have been waiting 15 minutes already whats the hold up? This is why you work retail anon.
Are we projecting, now?
>...n...n...no u
How's the meal coming along?
How much longer?
Oh, so this is a FETISH thing for you. Sorry, won't be indulging your wonder bread tier kink any further. Goodbye!
>commie gives up and runs away the moment things get hard
kek I accept your concession
*Hands you a log of shit*
Eat your slop and thank you for being a valued customer!
>says goodbye
>posts again pretending its not him
kwab
Different anon.
>"Goodbye!"
>still responds
kek no self control from these underage commies
Okay enjoy your shit.
absolute zozzle
>so mad he's inspecting element
>Goodbye!
I respect a CEO more than a leftist homosexual thats for sure.
He's not totally wrong though, shareholders are often to blame for a lot and I mean a lot of the mistakes a company makes, don't get me wrong ceo's also frick shit up greatly, but ceo's are the front man, the bourgeoisie are not a republic that elect leaders, they're more unionized than any lower classes because they usually cosign on all decisions to maximize profit, it's not just ceo's who have golden parachutes, once you're at the top there's no where else to go, not even the bottom.
You are 100% correct and people like
are the brainlets I am talking about.
Two things can be right at once, you know.
A lot of words to say absolutely fricking nothing.
>CEOs in publicly traded companies are largely a public face for the actions of the board,
yes, it is indicative of the broader culture at play though. It's hard to get info on the board by design, but let's face it, these people do not care either.
>Companies are legally obligated to profit shareholders because once upon a time
Yes. It does not mean the current model is flawless. You can arrive at an unreasonable state of being despite reasonable decisions having been made.
> Publicly traded companies have stockholders that are regular people like you and I because of IRAs and 401ks.
Correct as it is irrelevant.
>Not all of the shareholders are mustache twirling villains
Literally none are, I am sure you are winning real bigly against whatever bull crap shower thought argument you inserted into what I have been saying.
>Also, movies have always been a product, it's first and foremost mission is to make money
irrelevant to the conversation. Making a product and selling it at a profit is not the same as what is presently happening. A system in which a company can make a net profit but still be in a fail state for not having made more profit is intrinsically flawed-
Spoken like a moron who doesn’t understand economics. If your revenue isn't meeting yoyr expenses, yes, you're losing money. The economy isn't static, its ever growing, which is why inflation is a thing. If I make $20 but I'm spending $60 to make that $20, I'm not really making any money. Expectations for higher profit versus expense are normal.
>Losing more money in a tax writeoff is better than losing less money by selling the damned thing for more than the writeoff.
Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
>Spoken like a moron who doesn’t understand economics. If your revenue isn't meeting yoyr expens-ACK
I said at a profit, lad. As in, net profit. Are you a child? Do I really need to explain basic ideas in deep detail rather than you taking a not very hard to follow train of thought and try your hardest to interpret it in the stupidest ways to win imaginary arguments?
One last time for the slobbering manchildren in the back: A company, in the present economical environment is often incentivized to not only have a net profit but a growth that outpaces what is necessary for the business to be sustainable in the long term. The reason for why that is is already explained and I am honestly losing interest to hold the hand of someone lacking the mental faculties to paint by numbers.
https://www.lindsaycodascenic.com/coyote-vs-acme-1
concept art
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UA7NLrVoH9vWORupdfqqAgVuHKt47N0S?usp=sharing
film reel
https://vimeo.com/883089772
tat's not the poster, it is fan art
These set designs are nuts, seeing all the work that’s been put into this movie that WB is more than happy to toss into the trash without repercussion is bullshit
>lunamedia moron is in this thread
Go back to using your dog plush as a cumsock, loser
rent free
bts pics
https://www.tumblr.com/klarknadador
Now about the actual film?
Space Jam 2 and Tom and Jerry which both are hybrid live action/animated bombed miserably. Why do you think this going to be any different?
Remember: Media CEOs aren't human so doing things to them isn't illegal.
This looked somewhat shitty but I feel like the precedent being set by a high-profile case of this will to cause it to happen more often going forward. That Daffy and Porky movie got a distributor lined up already but I'm still kind of expecting it to get binned for some reason.
Unless the FTC, IRS, step in due to them violating the FTC Act.
the FTC only cares about going after Microsoft, Hollywood could do anything right now and they wouldn't care one bit
Then we better make them care.
>That Daffy and Porky movie got a distributor lined up already
That means this shouldn't be a problem and it was cheap enough to be distributed by some indie company
>shelved and deleted
Good.
The only reason this got shelved is because the new head of Warner Animation Group they hired didn't like it and didn't want his first move as President to be sinking millions of dollars into marketing and distributing it. If they had hired a dude who loved the movie and was willing to stake his job on it being a hit, this would be coming out
>the new head of Warner Animation Group they hired didn't like it
any proof?
Well congratulations to him for tanking his reputation anyways because people are pissed.
I am in no way calling for violence when I say I am shocked at the lack of violence directed at near-universally loathed rich people like Zaslav, the Sacklers, etc.
Is there anything historically comparable to this nonsense? Mass destruction of art, done out of greed, earning less than it cost to make it?
new coyote vs acme picture...
Where did this come from?
Is it from you
# ?
It's from Deadline, I guess someone in the press has a copy of the movie
https://deadline.com/2024/02/coyote-vs-acme-warner-bros-phil-lord-1235821187/
Unlikely but certainly possible.
Looks like shit
This is what the fall of Western Culture actually looks like (not that you'll see /misc/ notice). No, really.
Mega-elites controlling our culture, burning art for pennies on the dollar while filling the world with the worst bread and circuses "reality TV show" shit imaginable.
You also forgot
>TBS gets a late night animation block in 2020
>No failed WB Kids and Family project to ruin series
>No Space Jam 2
>Gumball movie
>MaoMao would not be cancelled
FRICK IT. MAKE A 3D THIEF MOVIE. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.
Blackrock and Vanguard if they haven't already should realize how short sighted destroying Films and TV shows is. They should tell Zaslav to stop his tax write off scheme
Blackrock and Vanguard are the flat earth of media
After today, Congress and the IRS should carry out there threat of investigating WBD and their practice of writing off completed movies.
>After today, Congress and the IRS should carry out there threat of investigating WBD and their practice of writing off completed movies.
100% Agreed. This sort of nonsense is not remotely what the law was invented for.
Even if it turns out that WB is completely within the current guidelines of the law (and before anyone says "of course it is" bear in mind the practice has never really seen intense scrutiny of the legal framework), steps should be taken to put an end to this.
Exactly no matter the results of the investigation, this deliberate destruction of media needs to be put to an end.
And even if WB is completely within current legal lines. They should still be charged for violating Section 5 of the FTCA, unfair business practices, deception.
No more hiding WBD.
>Try to axe movie
>Congress and IRS says they'll investigate
>A-actually we'll shop it around
>Waste everyone's time with literally no intention to shop around
>Oopsie woopsie no one had a high enough bid so we'll just can it tee hee
The IRS should rip Zaslav and co a new butthole.
Agreed especially because he used a unfair business practice, a decpetive one not allowing counter bids. Which is in direct violation of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. To save theor own skins, the board and Shareholders namely Blackrock and Vanguard should throw him under the bus.
WE NEED ALL Cinemaphile WORKING ON GETTING THIS MOVIE LEAK
That we do.
Mentally manifesting it as we speak
I'm getting /x/ involved so we can get this shit leaked already
any breakthroughs?
Minor spelling mistake
Reminder, only corpo boot lickers will be lined up to the slaughter when the day of revolution comes. Wealth does not exist without production, and if you don't produce anything of value, you have no value. Simple as.
EXO produce nothing of value, and are wealth hoarders.
Reminder to everyone beliving the words of the crew saying this movie is really good: Same thing happened with The Flash. And even more well known people like Stephen King and James Gunn kissed the boots off that film.
I'd rather decide if it's shit for myself instead of blindly following the decisions of a literal israelite.
I fricking hate it when people do that, yeah no shit the people working on the content are going to say it's good. Many staffs from modern trash would say their creation were good because they're biased towards their own creation, people hating their own work happens but isn't as common.
>Same thing happened with The Flash
No, it didn't.
Zaslav should take all the movies he axed and turn them into NFTs to really complete the clown world motif.
>WB has no debt to pay.
Nonsense.
>MAX becomes a decent streaming service.
LMAO
>CN studios building doesn't close down and gutted out for new shows.
You have to be 18+ to post here.
Tax writeoffs need to be examined if you can do shit like this.
Yes they do and WBD has already been threatened with just that. Time to carry out said threat.
If they didn't merge and no buyer came along, WB would have been chopped up and sold in pieces because AT&T does not want it anymore, while Discovery would be coasting along happily earning $300 million per quarter.
That Texas Politician finally responded 7 hours ago in regards to news about Coyote VS Acme
WB was never going to sell the movie to other distribution companies anyway. Test audiences loved it, so there was a high chance the movie would've been successful.
>Zas cancels the movie's release
>Sells it to someone else
>The movie comes out and it's successful
>Now Zas isn't just seen as a greedy butthole but as a stupid, greedy butthole
he'd look worse, he wants to avoid the Nimona situation
Now he looks like a greedy butthole who is impossible to work with.
Zaslav is pretty bad at making decisions in general
he's the one who pushed for the Flash movie to be made and for Ezra to play the Flash despite the controversies
LMAO Warner you dumb fricks at this point they make more L's than money
Zaslav would rather queef out half-ton toddlers wearing thongs. Animation is an anathema to him
Tired of hearing about this movie. I hope everyone throwing a fit over it goes out and sees The Day the Earth Blew Up instead, that looks a million times better
Nobody seemed to care when it got axed from HBO Max and they are yet to release a trailer
>He still thinks the Porky and Daffy movie is coming out
i wouldnt be surprised if that movie gets the axe too.
Switching subject. Did Zaslav even remotely take into consideration how his habit of writing off completed projects would come off to those he has to answer to.
, Martin Small of Blackrock and Michael Rollings of Vanguard? Did he not think the heat they could be facing because of them? How much he's devalued WBD?
He's also completely tanked good will with other companies with this whole "sure i'll consider offers, i won't tell you what i'm looking for and i won't actually get back to you on anything and i'm just stalling for time, but absolutely i am looking in to offers!" move.
Exactly, he's insuring talents, creatives and companies want no association with him or WB whatsoever. It's one thing to alienate talents and creatives, it's another to alienate Companies and Shareholders.
Seriously, after this stunt, everyone who Zaslav has interacted with should be moblizing to boot him out. Don't start on Feb 23, start at some point in the next 2 weeks. He's had almost 2 years to turn things around and he's only made things worse.
It's funny that people keep hand-wringing about this write-off stuff as if Zaslav is going to keep killing movies unless the government steps up to him. WB's released 18 movies in theaters since Zaslav became CEO, with at least 11 more to come this year. In that time, they've only canceled 3, and for clear reasons--they were movies greenlit by AT&T that the new WB would not have made, while everything greenlit going forward is movies that the new WB *does* want to make. This is an isolated incident, not an epidemic
It's children, shitstirrers, and political operatives. Disney wrote off and cancelled far more movies during its acquisition of Fox. (Ironically, they're leaning on Fox for 2024.)
If people keep trying to meme this into a controversy, WBD will become more likely to cancel projects earlier in production. Which frankly is the better option, and something they would have done if Zaslav weren't so indecisive.
It's doesn't matter, he's setting a negative precinct.
The IRS should refuse to allow it as a tax write-off, given this knowledge.
Agreed and hopefully there wise enough to do just that.
Frick Zaslav