Batman Begins sequel would have come out seven years later with a different director and it would feature inexplicable cameos and crossovers with other heroes
That's because WB has been making moronic decisions since 2013. They got lucky with Joker and The Batman because they didn't attach those to an extended universe and hired half decent directors.
Heath Ledger dying boosted the film like crazy. Hos Joker was good, but it would have been largely ignored if he didn't die right then. Batman Begins was decently recieved but wasn't a phenomenon. Rises is mostly remembered for being comically bad.
This is a moron speaking out his ass about shit he wasn’t around to experience. This movie was the most anticipated and talked about before Heath Ledger died. If he hadn’t died, The Dark Knight would have made the exact same amount of money, he’d still have gotten that Oscar, and the only difference is The Dark Knight Rises would have had the Joker in it
I am 45 dude, I remember it all super well. People have always disagreed, but I still say if he didn't die that movie would not be lauded anywhere near the way it is. Sure people were hyped, it was more Batman and Begins was so much better than what we'd had since Burton, but the OMG he's SO PERFECT and the film being incredible is mostly because he died.
I remember the hype soaring when the first proper trailer dropped which was a month or so before Ledger died. People went from being unsure about his casting to thinking he was the second coming overnight. I remember all the about faces on the forums back in the day. The viral campaign also had been going steadily by that point. There's no denying Ledgers death added to the weight of expectations but the film was always going to be a smash hit.
That is a decent point and I will admit that part of my opinion is that I never felt he pulled it off as well as other people do.
Your opinion is shit and your take on history is moronic. Frick off mongoloid.
Meh, I have just never been as impressed by those movies. DK is legit a very good movie but Begins felt like a dull rehash of the same thing we've read 50 times and then Rises is just straight up awful.
I doubt Ledger would have won his Oscar if he hadn't died. Not because he didn't deserve it, but the academy was still absolutely in snub mode towards these movies and it took something as drastic as an actor death to make them make an exception (and only for the best supporting actor award).
Did it? Sure, Ledger's Joker is pretty much THE most iconic movie villain of the 00s, and I guess a few of the monologues did break into popular parlance, but otherwise TDK didn't have much lasting influence in superhero movies (or movies at all) afterwards. If anything, it was the swan song of the X-Men pseudo-realistic aesthetic that'd be replaced by the MCU look.
>TDK didn't have much lasting influence in superhero movies (or movies at all) afterwards
>Every "good" DC movie since is inevitably called "The best one since TDK" >For years Hollywood chased the "muh gritty realism" aesthetic that was mistakenly attributed to these movies. >A whole wave of reboots that would credit TDK and Begins as their influence, regardless of how fitting that comparison would be. >Man of Steel is titled and styled in a way that's deliberately supposed to act as a companion for this series despite taking place in a different universe. >The early DCEU Snydershit is an attempt to out-gritty Nolan and call DC the "dark" comic alternative. >This movie not getting nominated for Best Picture breaks the Oscars and ever since there's anywhere from 8-10 nominees. >Inception, Nolan's immediate follow-up is given a Best Picture nomination as a courtesy for not nominating this. >Matt Reeves' take is just "What if Nolan Batman except it's the version of TDKR we all speculated about after TDK came out before Nolan decided to end the series there."
The DCEU Batman was just there to push other characters (Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League, Flash, etc). He never really got a chance to flesh out on his own like many others wanted.
Matt Reeves Batman is just a worse copycat of Nolan Batman with more cringe inducing attempts at identity and Woke politics (Whites forcing black people to play the knock-out game, Batman not knowing about the corruption in Gotham because he is so privileged and needed to be told by Catwoman, White Privileged buttholes line, Michelle Obama/Kamala Kahn insert Mayor plot to fix Gotham, Riddler being a cringe Incel with army of Cinemaphileners).
Not to mention that the director thought it would be amazing if every single character fricking whispered and mumbled throughout the entire movie.
The Batman IP has been managed in a really oddly messy way since the end of the Nolan series.
While Bat Affleck is in a couple of the DC cinematic universe movies, they aren't dedicated Batman movies, just movies where Batman is present. We never got introduced to that version of Batman in a standalone movie, so he doesn't really resonate with audiences. It would be like if Iron Man first showed up in The Avengers, without the first two Iron Man movies to get the fans to fall in love with the character.
And then we've got these other projects running in parallel. There's Joker, where we only see Bruce Wayne as a child, and there's the Robert Pattinson version of Batman. That one could have been part of a series with Joker, but wasn't for whatever reason, leaving both movies oddly orphaned.
It also helps that at time, capeshit wasn’t saturating the market. It was Nolan’s series when studios took capeshit seriously. Before that, just had fluke Raimi Spider Man movies and that was it. Burton Batman series was dead after Batman & Robin.
Batman '89 had the most cultural impact. It created the modern blockbuster format. The tie-ins, the promotion, the merchandising, all of the tie-ins that come with it. Every blockbuster, not just capeshit, is following that Batman '89 mold.
That being said, the Nolan films have definitely become the definitive cinematic take on the character. Much like Christopher Reeve with Superman, Hugh Jackman with Wolverine and so forth, every subsequent version of this character on film will inevitably be compared to this series and especially The Dark Knight.
And because they are such good movies, it's also highly likely they'll never be topped. You either get what Muschietti is probably going to do, which is fun blockbuster fare but nothing emotionally substantive, or you get what Matt Reeves is doing which is a piss poor imitation of the Nolan take.
Nolan had complete control and much fewer studio mandates. The Matt Reeves trilogy may end up being as influential.
>The Matt Reeves trilogy may end up being as influential
Reeves will be lucky if he even gets to make a second film with Zazlav lording over things
If Batman Begins came out under the current DC leadership the series would have been canned and Nolan would never have made a blockbuster ever again
Batman Begins sequel would have come out seven years later with a different director and it would feature inexplicable cameos and crossovers with other heroes
That's because WB has been making moronic decisions since 2013. They got lucky with Joker and The Batman because they didn't attach those to an extended universe and hired half decent directors.
Cope. The first one was a fricking slog. Any planned trilogy has already been marred
Dark Knight Returns never ever
Batman 1989 quite literally reinvigorated superhero movies
ok but why nothing since Nolan Batman
Joker
That was just a meme
Not really
Because nobody cares about movies anymore.
You care anon, and you're somebody.
I don't care, though.
Heath Ledger dying boosted the film like crazy. Hos Joker was good, but it would have been largely ignored if he didn't die right then. Batman Begins was decently recieved but wasn't a phenomenon. Rises is mostly remembered for being comically bad.
This is a moron speaking out his ass about shit he wasn’t around to experience. This movie was the most anticipated and talked about before Heath Ledger died. If he hadn’t died, The Dark Knight would have made the exact same amount of money, he’d still have gotten that Oscar, and the only difference is The Dark Knight Rises would have had the Joker in it
I am 45 dude, I remember it all super well. People have always disagreed, but I still say if he didn't die that movie would not be lauded anywhere near the way it is. Sure people were hyped, it was more Batman and Begins was so much better than what we'd had since Burton, but the OMG he's SO PERFECT and the film being incredible is mostly because he died.
I remember the hype soaring when the first proper trailer dropped which was a month or so before Ledger died. People went from being unsure about his casting to thinking he was the second coming overnight. I remember all the about faces on the forums back in the day. The viral campaign also had been going steadily by that point. There's no denying Ledgers death added to the weight of expectations but the film was always going to be a smash hit.
That is a decent point and I will admit that part of my opinion is that I never felt he pulled it off as well as other people do.
Meh, I have just never been as impressed by those movies. DK is legit a very good movie but Begins felt like a dull rehash of the same thing we've read 50 times and then Rises is just straight up awful.
Your opinion is shit and your take on history is moronic. Frick off mongoloid.
Careful now
I doubt Ledger would have won his Oscar if he hadn't died. Not because he didn't deserve it, but the academy was still absolutely in snub mode towards these movies and it took something as drastic as an actor death to make them make an exception (and only for the best supporting actor award).
Considering that it's the only DC film released after Joker that didn't bomb, he's probably quite secure for now.
meant for
>cultural impact
Like?
Because they didn't have Heath Ledger
Why didnt Batman just stick to organized crime? from that to saving the universe is kinda of a big leap
Did it? Sure, Ledger's Joker is pretty much THE most iconic movie villain of the 00s, and I guess a few of the monologues did break into popular parlance, but otherwise TDK didn't have much lasting influence in superhero movies (or movies at all) afterwards. If anything, it was the swan song of the X-Men pseudo-realistic aesthetic that'd be replaced by the MCU look.
>TDK didn't have much lasting influence in superhero movies (or movies at all) afterwards
>Every "good" DC movie since is inevitably called "The best one since TDK"
>For years Hollywood chased the "muh gritty realism" aesthetic that was mistakenly attributed to these movies.
>A whole wave of reboots that would credit TDK and Begins as their influence, regardless of how fitting that comparison would be.
>Man of Steel is titled and styled in a way that's deliberately supposed to act as a companion for this series despite taking place in a different universe.
>The early DCEU Snydershit is an attempt to out-gritty Nolan and call DC the "dark" comic alternative.
>This movie not getting nominated for Best Picture breaks the Oscars and ever since there's anywhere from 8-10 nominees.
>Inception, Nolan's immediate follow-up is given a Best Picture nomination as a courtesy for not nominating this.
>Matt Reeves' take is just "What if Nolan Batman except it's the version of TDKR we all speculated about after TDK came out before Nolan decided to end the series there."
Man of steel was 100% intended to be part of same universe as Nolan Batman originally.
My mum went to see Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises and never went to see any other super hero movies.
Rises is really fricking terrible.
Batman isn't very interesting but Bale did a fantastic job with Wayne.
Would Nolan and Bale coming back for a 4th movie have as big of a hype thing as the Spider-Man movie last year with Toby and Andrew?
The DCEU Batman was just there to push other characters (Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League, Flash, etc). He never really got a chance to flesh out on his own like many others wanted.
Matt Reeves Batman is just a worse copycat of Nolan Batman with more cringe inducing attempts at identity and Woke politics (Whites forcing black people to play the knock-out game, Batman not knowing about the corruption in Gotham because he is so privileged and needed to be told by Catwoman, White Privileged buttholes line, Michelle Obama/Kamala Kahn insert Mayor plot to fix Gotham, Riddler being a cringe Incel with army of Cinemaphileners).
Not to mention that the director thought it would be amazing if every single character fricking whispered and mumbled throughout the entire movie.
They need to make Batman fun again. There's only so far you can take a serious adaptation of a dude who dresses up like a bat to punch crime.
The Batman IP has been managed in a really oddly messy way since the end of the Nolan series.
While Bat Affleck is in a couple of the DC cinematic universe movies, they aren't dedicated Batman movies, just movies where Batman is present. We never got introduced to that version of Batman in a standalone movie, so he doesn't really resonate with audiences. It would be like if Iron Man first showed up in The Avengers, without the first two Iron Man movies to get the fans to fall in love with the character.
And then we've got these other projects running in parallel. There's Joker, where we only see Bruce Wayne as a child, and there's the Robert Pattinson version of Batman. That one could have been part of a series with Joker, but wasn't for whatever reason, leaving both movies oddly orphaned.
It also helps that at time, capeshit wasn’t saturating the market. It was Nolan’s series when studios took capeshit seriously. Before that, just had fluke Raimi Spider Man movies and that was it. Burton Batman series was dead after Batman & Robin.
>Before that, just had fluke Raimi Spider Man movies and that was it. Burton Batman series was dead after Batman & Robin.
X-Men series was successful
Totally forgot about that. But seriously, had maybe two capeshit movies a year. That’s it. Now it’s every other month
People have always wanted a capeshit that mirrors towards reality. Nolans Batman films scratch that itch.
Batman '89 had the most cultural impact. It created the modern blockbuster format. The tie-ins, the promotion, the merchandising, all of the tie-ins that come with it. Every blockbuster, not just capeshit, is following that Batman '89 mold.
That being said, the Nolan films have definitely become the definitive cinematic take on the character. Much like Christopher Reeve with Superman, Hugh Jackman with Wolverine and so forth, every subsequent version of this character on film will inevitably be compared to this series and especially The Dark Knight.
And because they are such good movies, it's also highly likely they'll never be topped. You either get what Muschietti is probably going to do, which is fun blockbuster fare but nothing emotionally substantive, or you get what Matt Reeves is doing which is a piss poor imitation of the Nolan take.
>It created the modern blockbuster format. The tie-ins, the promotion, the merchandising, all of the tie-ins that come with it.
Star Wars, Jaws, ET and Indiana Jones invented that before Batman